Why would players drift away from Dagenham and Accrington?

Dagenham already benefit massively from players developed and trained at Arsenal, that will only increase when these players also come with 2 or 3 seasons league experience.

But it will cause the bigger teams to take on more youngsters, and thus have less coming through those two team examples. Also the better youngsters from those other teams will get poached off of them. It also monopolises a very monopolised footballing structure.

Why would Arsenal need to take more youngsters? We already have more than the necessary 25 that could play. And why would we take off of Dagenham and Accrington any player we wouldn't in the current system? We wouldn't.

If Dagenham having better youngsters than Arsenal in their academy then Arsenal are doing something seriously wrong.

This is where people are jumping to wrong conclusions. Big teams are not all of a sudden going to buy young players good enough for League 1 to build up a B team. The whole point of the B teams is to give players you are developing exposure to first team football on a regular basis, not build the best League 2 or 1 team you can.

DJ, yeah I know. Just pointing out why it's unlikely that Arsenal, with one of the top academies in the country, will be poaching youngsters off of Dagenham.

Darren, I was agreeing with you not disagreeing. (I wrote that before seeing your post anyway!)
It was aimed at Dwight not you.

Ah ok gotcha.

Hmm, I dunno.

What about the monopolising the market side of things? People support/follow the likes of Leyton Orient etc to get away from all this kind of drama.

People still don't get the point that these b teams are not separate clubs, it's the reserves playing I'm a more competitive league.

It won't require anything different to what we have already, in terms of staff and coaches, or training grounds etc, as they will still train at the parent clubs facilities with the parentbclubs coaches andbother teams, they will just now play their matches in a more competitive and productive environment for their development!!

They won't need more players because they already have these players in.their youth systems, you are literally moving.the u21's to a different league, perhaps to make it more understandable it should be named liverpool/arsenal/Chelsea 21's rather than "b" team

Ultimately this will make an arseload of money for fl clubs, everyone is focused on the first season and 10 teams in league one and 10 teams in the conference, but over 3/4 seasons these clubs will disperse and be spread over probably 4 leagues, that's an average of just 5 teams of the 24 team leagues, and all of these leagues will then be able.to sell their tv rights for a lot more, there is a lot of evidence in.support of increased gates, increased tv and stadium exposure drives up sponsership etc.

What they should also do is prevent the teams winning any prize money/tv money (beyond facilities fees, which do pay for the broadcast areas maintenance) put it all in to a pot and split it equally against all other teams from league one to conference level.

Also the pl should stop being silly about parachute payments and pay the outstanding amount from all parachutes no longer needed to the football league clubs, rather than allowing.just on payment, this alone would stop a lot of football league clubs falling.in to debt!

It will be a good thing.for the football league especially as the b teams disperse over a few years!

comment by Dwight Gayle (U1109)
posted 3 minutes ago
Hmm, I dunno.

What about the monopolising the market side of things? People support/follow the likes of Leyton Orient etc to get away from all this kind of drama.
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I thought people supported teams like Orient because they were their local club whom they have a great affinity with.

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Insert, good post.

Hereford nearly went out of business for a fraction of Rooney's weekly wage. Disgusting.

I think there are a lot of misconceptions abt football today based on romanticism of the past. As much as I would love another Ian Wright, the chances of a Roy of the Rovers story are extremely rare because of cheap foreign imports. I think the B team concept is very good as it will work in conjunction with a greater emphasis on homegrown players. Whats more there is a greater chance of a premiership scout taking more interest in lower league players if their 20 year olds are getting beaten by the likes of Barnet every week.

What they should also do is prevent the teams winning any prize money/tv money (beyond facilities fees, which do pay for the broadcast areas maintenance) put it all in to a pot and split it equally against all other teams from league one to conference level.

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That sounds like a bad idea to me, if we're going to do this it should be done properly otherwise there'll be no incentive for clubs to take the B teams seriously, leading to the kind of result the Luton fan linked to earlier - youth teams not bothering to perform. Yes PL clubs are rich but this proposal effectively means clubs running two league sides. Competition is the aim here, not a PR a exercise.

The. Problem here is that if you field young players, i.e. under 21's then they are not really going to learn as much as if they were playing with First Team Squad players who don't necessarily play every week.

Them old football combination and the central league were the best reserve divisions in Europe & it was the best way to bring younger players through the system whilst they learnt alongside seasoned professionals!

The not them!

Again they are not running two sides, merely.refocusing their under 21's to compete in the football league structure..

It's also won't kill the loan system, championship clubs will loan those that excel in lower leagues effectively allowing them another step or two to the prem (a lower prem teams after championship)

Also if.stoke.are in league two and a league one team.wants their b teams star player he will probably be tested at the higher level.

The. Problem here is that if you field young players, i.e. under 21's then they are not really going to learn as much as if they were playing with First Team Squad players who don't necessarily play every week.
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This is no different to the current under 21 premier league.

Difference is that they'd be playing at a higher level than the under 21 premier league, thus they'll be learning more and getting more experience of competitive football than the current system.

Again they are not running two sides, merely.refocusing their under 21's to compete in the football league structure..

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While the squad is effectively the same U21 the coaching must be completely separate in terms of forming a side and tactics suitable for the competition. A club like Barca doesn't need the money, but a competitive league forces them to have a proper manager - Guardiola for example - to lead them from game to game and develop a coherent strategy, just like the "proper" teams they will face every week. Without the same rewards they won't bother investing time and manpower into it and the whole thing will become a farce.

Which raises the possibility of English coaches (Sherwood would be a prime candidate) being able to prove their worth in a competitive environment.. we're so far behind the likes of Germany and Spain something has to be done.

It's very simple. This idea is stupid. These B teams are not real teams. They are just pseudo-teams who can't progress in the same way the other sides can. Does anyone really think anyone can respect a league table that had say, United B at the top ahead of a team like Exeter or Bury and think that league is fair? If United B can't be promoted but teams that finish below them can?

I know plenty of friends who support smaller clubs and in the past 24 hours they've told me they can't get excited by a game against Spurs reserves as they would be by playing a real team.

This is just the most stupid idea and will kill off the smaller sides who are part of the backbone of the league system.

But if Barca B didn't play in Segunda he'd effectively be managing the reserves.

Warren Joyce is our under 21 manager, providing he wants to stay on he'll probably be managing the B team.

They aren't proper managers, and won't be for the b teams, because they'll still just be coaching the under 21's just as they are now, but in a different structure.

if Barca B didn't play in Segunda he'd effectively be managing the reserves.

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That's my point though Darren, he's had that safe environment to develop from a coach on the training pitch with no pressure to learning what works and didn't in the real world. He'll have experienced defeat and pressure of relegation/promotion and how to get the players through it, however much you train it doesn't recreate those situations.

Pep is as proper as you get and he learned his trade with a B team.