comment by RKW (U13169)
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comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 19 hours, 13 minutes ago
comment by RKW (U13169)
posted 1 hour, 47 minutes ago
comment by 🔫😲 (U6374)
posted 6 hours, 39 minutes ago
Can made more errors than Moreno leading to shots or goals and yes I think suggesting that Moreno will derail our teams season farcical because it is.

I just checked sqwaka and it's saying that the fifth most errors in the league was Stones on three so Moreno is less than that. In fact sqwake says he made the grand total of two.

http://www.squawka.com/players/alberto-moreno/stats#performance-score#liverpool-(current)#english-barclays-premier-league#8#season-2015/2016#165#all-matches#1-38#by-match

http://statspack.squawka.com/

In terms of at the club Liverpool made the most defensive errors in the entire league but do you know who made the most interceptions?

Yes Moreno on 63.

http://statspack.squawka.com/team/liverpool

Do you know who the top defender was for creating chances?

Yep - Moreno on 61

As said - farcical.
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Well he did a pretty good job at derailing our Europa League final chances. First goal his poor clearance, third goal he was out of position.
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This is a common theme with fans nowadays. They say full backs are out of position when in fact they aren't. Their job in many teams, ours being one of them, is to push forward, if the attack breaks down and they're up field, well they can't transport but Moreno does an excellent job of getting back from that and getting a tackle or block in, due to his pace, I saw it on numerous occasions last season. If we wanted a full back just to defend and always be 'in position', we wouldn't have signed Moreno.

He has made mistakes, nobody is denying that but it's being blown out of proportion big time. He even got blamed for their goal when the defender hit it through his legs. It doesn't matter how good you are, this can happen. Ask anybody Suarez has ever faced.

The biggest issue for me with Moreno is his maturity. I think he has the maturity of an 18 year old, which shows in his game, as if he has the brains and experience of one. He may be a late bloomer, in terms of it just clicking with him but I feel with him having the raw tools, he'll be a top player. I'm gonna be optimistic and put myself on the line here and say it's this season.

Overall we were crap in the second half in the Europa leg final, Moreno was not to blame. In fact I'd place blame on the manager as from the first minute of the second half, it was obvious they were hitting our left flank and doubling up on every attack. Everything went down that side, as that's the side we got so much joy in, in the first half. Their manager reacted, ours didn't. To be honest, I noticed Klopp being slow to react on a few occasions last season. That's why we took leads, then squandered them.
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I'm pretty sure a full back is a defender - therefore their primary job will always be to defend.
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Great observation. Thanks for informing me of it. So Moreno doesn't defend? His defending isn't actually a problem, he wins the ball well, is good in the tackle and the best thing about his game is his ability to get back when up the pitch and win the ball, rashly I may add, which sometimes creates an issue but 90% of the time it doesn't. He has lapses but he should continue to get better, with the help of some coaching.

I find the rating of full backs very frustrating. If a full back is a 10 in attack and a 7 in defence, he's crap. That's just not the way it works. Full backs are attacking players who are only required to drop back when the ball is lost. If you have the ball the majority of the time, which we expect to do, you want your full back to be better in attack and to do a job when he has to drop in.

Of course, if you're a team who likes to concede the ball and play percentages, then you want your full back to be very good in defence and don't worry about what he's like on the ball. Hence why you'll see, the world over, teams who control the play, will have attacking players in the full back positions and everybody else will have defensive players who like to tackle and kick it up the pitch.

Arsene Wenger has revealed that Mesut Özil, Laurent Koscielny and Olivier Giroud will miss the Liverpool game.


This is good news

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Isn't Mertesacker out for a while also?

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if we got a more defensive full back than moreno, the next complaint would be them offering no width..

Moreno is a liability defensively..

comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 8 hours, 44 minutes ago
if we got a more defensive full back than moreno, the next complaint would be them offering no width..
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What's the point of Moreno offering width when his final ball is usually pretty poor, or his shots end up nearly out of the stadium?

comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 8 hours, 44 minutes ago
if we got a more defensive full back than moreno, the next complaint would be them offering no width..
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What's the point of Moreno offering width when his final ball is usually pretty poor, or his shots end up nearly out of the stadium?
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His final ball isn't poor, hence creating the most chances out of any defender in the league. That's just what people want to believe to justify their opinion. The facts say otherwise. Unlucky.

comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 8 hours, 44 minutes ago
if we got a more defensive full back than moreno, the next complaint would be them offering no width..
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What's the point of Moreno offering width when his final ball is usually pretty poor, or his shots end up nearly out of the stadium?
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His final ball isn't poor, hence creating the most chances out of any defender in the league. That's just what people want to believe to justify their opinion. The facts say otherwise. Unlucky.
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The facts said downing had created the most chances in the league the season before he joined us and the facts also said that lovren was one of the best defenders in the league in his first season with us, when he very clearly was not. Stats can be misleading.

comment by Tiddles LFC (U17634)
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comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 8 hours, 44 minutes ago
if we got a more defensive full back than moreno, the next complaint would be them offering no width..
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What's the point of Moreno offering width when his final ball is usually pretty poor, or his shots end up nearly out of the stadium?
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His final ball isn't poor, hence creating the most chances out of any defender in the league. That's just what people want to believe to justify their opinion. The facts say otherwise. Unlucky.
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The facts said downing had created the most chances in the league the season before he joined us and the facts also said that lovren was one of the best defenders in the league in his first season with us, when he very clearly was not. Stats can be misleading.
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But Downing did create the most chances. I'm not sure what you're arguing here. 'One of the best defenders in the league' is subjective, stats can't help as much there. There's too many variables. Chance creation is about as cut and dry as it comes however.

You're trying hard but ultimately, you're failing.

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Even after that season when Downing created the most chances most on here didn't want us to sign him. I remember Arsenal were also linked at the time and their fans didn't want him either, it was a race to not sign him if you like

Unfortunately we won that race and I can remember the wum threads on here when we did.

Fack stats, I watch him play and he's shiiiiiiiiiiit.

He's final ball/pass is worse than his defending and that's facking terrible

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But, but Moreno made an average of 2.467 interceptions per game last season.

It doesn't matter that he was caught out of position half a dozen times a match which gave their winger a free run on goal which may have or may have not been punished.

As long as he made those interceptions, right?

Good news is that Wenger has confirmed Giroud, Ozil
and Koscielny will not play against us next weekend.

Sanchez 50/50 at this stage but he hasn't played any minutes in pre season yet so he will probably be benched and if does start you'd expect will only last 50-60 mins.

That's a good chunk of their spine missing. They have typically started slowly in recent seasons so it's a good time to be playing them. Will be kicking ourselves if we don't come away with something but still a big possibility, our record there is pretty poor to say the least.

When was the last time we won at the Emirates?

Was it when Suarez scored from a Raul Mirreles ball?

Yes yes about stats.

It's not as though I haven't used my eyes. All I've said is that people go over board on here acting like playing Moreno is suicide which I find daft.

It's looking more and more likely Moreno will be first choice so get behind him I reckon.

And we're sh!t at the Emirates but it's looking like we may have a chance!!

comment by Fear Me Neo (U9135)
posted 31 minutes ago
But, but Moreno made an average of 2.467 interceptions per game last season.

It doesn't matter that he was caught out of position half a dozen times a match which gave their winger a free run on goal which may have or may have not been punished.

As long as he made those interceptions, right?
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And 1.43 of those were potential sending offs that he got away with