comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
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comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
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comment by The Mane Man (U19731)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 2 minutes ago
When did you last watch it? The players over there are of better standard than you would realise. Yes, not in the same league as the top European brackets, but still better.

The better players in the league are capable of competing at Premier League level, which is some way from when Bradley Wright-Phillips was competing in League One for the likes of Charlton and Brentford.
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I have watched the Mexican league in the past and those Mexican teams like Chivas, Tigres, Monterey and club America always smashed the MLS teams in the CONACAF Champions League. They have a poor standard.
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That doesn't mean to say the Mexican league is a poor standard though either just because it's outside of Europe.

MLS has improved massively over the last 10 years or so and I don't doubt there are many players there that would be able to play at PL level as well.
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If the level was as high as you’re suggesting then those players would be in Europe. You think the big clubs are put off by salaries? No chance, if they were good enough they’d be here.
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So by that rule then all the best players in each of their respective leagues would be at the top clubs as well then?

So Jack Grealish is at one of the best clubs in England because he's one of the best players in the league?
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He’s continually being linked to bigger clubs, there’s a high chance he will make that move in the near future. It’s a pretty bizarre comparison though as he’s already in the PL. Has nothing to do with your initial point.

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comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by The Mane Man (U19731)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 2 minutes ago
When did you last watch it? The players over there are of better standard than you would realise. Yes, not in the same league as the top European brackets, but still better.

The better players in the league are capable of competing at Premier League level, which is some way from when Bradley Wright-Phillips was competing in League One for the likes of Charlton and Brentford.
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I have watched the Mexican league in the past and those Mexican teams like Chivas, Tigres, Monterey and club America always smashed the MLS teams in the CONACAF Champions League. They have a poor standard.
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That doesn't mean to say the Mexican league is a poor standard though either just because it's outside of Europe.

MLS has improved massively over the last 10 years or so and I don't doubt there are many players there that would be able to play at PL level as well.
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The Mexican league is on par with the Dutch eredivisie but my point is the MLS is not up to the standard of most second divisions in most European countries.

The football there is very slow paced. They will produce good players in the future but those players will leave for the ESL if they are good enough.

comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 1 second ago
comment by The Mane Man (U19731)
posted 2 minutes ago
The majority of the fans who are against it will in a few years be there in the stand supporting their team. We will have a new generation of fans who rather watch LFC vs Barca than Brighton or Burnley.

I don't have sympathy for the PL and Sky as they were the ones who started this 30 years ago. I felt in love with the English game when most clubs had shte pitches, there was passion in the stands and tackling was allowed in the game.
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I personally don't see the comparison to what the Premier League did and what is being proposed here. The Premier League has done a lot of good for the game in this country from top to bottom. It has always had the premise of sporting integrity and merit in terms of home and away fixtures and promotion/relegation allowing access to the division.
The ESL is completely different. A closed shop where 15 teams remain no matter what. It's a shambles.
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Those clubs are businesses and they dont want to miss out on a large chunk of money.

I honestly think it is a negotiations tactic to get a better deal for the top clubs.

it will be the end of LaLiga and Serie A if those clubs are kicked out their domestic leagues.

comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
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comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
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comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
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comment by The Mane Man (U19731)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 2 minutes ago
When did you last watch it? The players over there are of better standard than you would realise. Yes, not in the same league as the top European brackets, but still better.

The better players in the league are capable of competing at Premier League level, which is some way from when Bradley Wright-Phillips was competing in League One for the likes of Charlton and Brentford.
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I have watched the Mexican league in the past and those Mexican teams like Chivas, Tigres, Monterey and club America always smashed the MLS teams in the CONACAF Champions League. They have a poor standard.
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That doesn't mean to say the Mexican league is a poor standard though either just because it's outside of Europe.

MLS has improved massively over the last 10 years or so and I don't doubt there are many players there that would be able to play at PL level as well.
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If the level was as high as you’re suggesting then those players would be in Europe. You think the big clubs are put off by salaries? No chance, if they were good enough they’d be here.
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So by that rule then all the best players in each of their respective leagues would be at the top clubs as well then?

So Jack Grealish is at one of the best clubs in England because he's one of the best players in the league?
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He’s continually being linked to bigger clubs, there’s a high chance he will make that move in the near future. It’s a pretty bizarre comparison though as he’s already in the PL. Has nothing to do with your initial point.
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Kouliably of Napoli was regarded as one of the best CB's alongside the likes of Van Djik and has been for years, which is understandable given he is a fantastic CB. He has been continually linked with all the top clubs for years, but yet he's still at Napoli.

Does that mean that Joe Gomez is the better defender because he is in a better team?

comment by The Mane Man (U19731)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
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comment by The Mane Man (U19731)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 2 minutes ago
When did you last watch it? The players over there are of better standard than you would realise. Yes, not in the same league as the top European brackets, but still better.

The better players in the league are capable of competing at Premier League level, which is some way from when Bradley Wright-Phillips was competing in League One for the likes of Charlton and Brentford.
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I have watched the Mexican league in the past and those Mexican teams like Chivas, Tigres, Monterey and club America always smashed the MLS teams in the CONACAF Champions League. They have a poor standard.
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That doesn't mean to say the Mexican league is a poor standard though either just because it's outside of Europe.

MLS has improved massively over the last 10 years or so and I don't doubt there are many players there that would be able to play at PL level as well.
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The Mexican league is on par with the Dutch eredivisie but my point is the MLS is not up to the standard of most second divisions in most European countries.

The football there is very slow paced. They will produce good players in the future but those players will leave for the ESL if they are good enough.
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I was saying it has improved and that many players in that league can play at PL standard, which I think they can. Saying the Mexican league is similar to the Dutch league is just your opinion anyway as well.

comment by Robbing Cromwell - agent of the hierarchy. (U6374)
posted 45 minutes ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MLS_performance_in_the_CONCACAF_Champions_League

Their performances are as bang average as they've always been.
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In fairness the performance by round tab on here shows a pretty decent improvement in the 12 or so years listed.

comment by The Mane Man (U19731)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 1 second ago
comment by The Mane Man (U19731)
posted 2 minutes ago
The majority of the fans who are against it will in a few years be there in the stand supporting their team. We will have a new generation of fans who rather watch LFC vs Barca than Brighton or Burnley.

I don't have sympathy for the PL and Sky as they were the ones who started this 30 years ago. I felt in love with the English game when most clubs had shte pitches, there was passion in the stands and tackling was allowed in the game.
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I personally don't see the comparison to what the Premier League did and what is being proposed here. The Premier League has done a lot of good for the game in this country from top to bottom. It has always had the premise of sporting integrity and merit in terms of home and away fixtures and promotion/relegation allowing access to the division.
The ESL is completely different. A closed shop where 15 teams remain no matter what. It's a shambles.
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Those clubs are businesses and they dont want to miss out on a large chunk of money.

I honestly think it is a negotiations tactic to get a better deal for the top clubs.

it will be the end of LaLiga and Serie A if those clubs are kicked out their domestic leagues.
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Could be a blessing a disguise. If everybody wants to pretend that money doesn't run the game, then they'll be over the moon to see competitiveness finally come to those leagues after the elite has left. Even the PL too if the top6 gets banned from it for joining the ESL.

comment by *Michael Edwards FC {Proud owner of the 5 000 000th comment} (U2720)
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comment by The Mane Man (U19731)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 1 second ago
comment by The Mane Man (U19731)
posted 2 minutes ago
The majority of the fans who are against it will in a few years be there in the stand supporting their team. We will have a new generation of fans who rather watch LFC vs Barca than Brighton or Burnley.

I don't have sympathy for the PL and Sky as they were the ones who started this 30 years ago. I felt in love with the English game when most clubs had shte pitches, there was passion in the stands and tackling was allowed in the game.
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I personally don't see the comparison to what the Premier League did and what is being proposed here. The Premier League has done a lot of good for the game in this country from top to bottom. It has always had the premise of sporting integrity and merit in terms of home and away fixtures and promotion/relegation allowing access to the division.
The ESL is completely different. A closed shop where 15 teams remain no matter what. It's a shambles.
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Those clubs are businesses and they dont want to miss out on a large chunk of money.

I honestly think it is a negotiations tactic to get a better deal for the top clubs.

it will be the end of LaLiga and Serie A if those clubs are kicked out their domestic leagues.
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Could be a blessing a disguise. If everybody wants to pretend that money doesn't run the game, then they'll be over the moon to see competitiveness finally come to those leagues after the elite has left. Even the PL too if the top6 gets banned from it for joining the ESL.
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Could be interesting when PL revenues fall off a cliff and suddenly clubs like West Ham and Leicester can't afford the wages they promised players anymore...

It might not necessarily fall off a cliff. Obviously it won't be the same, but it might still be enough to allow West Ham and Leicester to keep hold of their better players on big wages.

Just rebuild the product. Everybody has just been sitting on their arses collecting millions since 1992/93.

comment by Fred Klopp (U3979)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Cromwell - agent of the hierarchy. (U6374)
posted 45 minutes ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MLS_performance_in_the_CONCACAF_Champions_League

Their performances are as bang average as they've always been.
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In fairness the performance by round tab on here shows a pretty decent improvement in the 12 or so years listed.
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They have reached a level where they consistently get to the quarter finals of the CONCAF yeah.

So 10 years ago when only 1/2 teams were reaching the quarter finals, now 80-100% of sides are reaching the quarter final stages, therefore that is an improvement within itself.

There is nothing to say some of the players at that club cannot compete in the Premier League either just because we do not value anything outside of Europe to be as good as what we have when that's an inconclusive analysis anyway.

UEFA just said any players taking part will be banned from Euros and World cup

Theres some funny posts today

so theres nothing to play for in tonights game?

comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 10 minutes ago
UEFA just said any players taking part will be banned from Euros and World cup
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Oh God, it's so bitter. Players will get back home and their kits will be all thrown out on the front garden and a note on the fridge saying the dinner is in the dog or something next.

All of the supporter's banners and flags will be removed from the Kop tonight in protest.

comment by Fred Klopp (U3979)
posted less than a minute ago
All of the supporter's banners and flags will be removed from the Kop tonight in protest.
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FSG must be gutted

comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 12 minutes ago
So 10 years ago when only 1/2 teams were reaching the quarter finals, now 80-100% of sides are reaching the quarter final stages, therefore that is an improvement within itself.

There is nothing to say some of the players at that club cannot compete in the Premier League either just because we do not value anything outside of Europe to be as good as what we have when that's an inconclusive analysis anyway.
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I dont believe that teams that rarely reach the semi finals of the CONCAF, which will be their best teams btw, play in a league that have lots of players capable of cutting it in the Premier League. Far from it in fact.

comment by (K̇ash) I'm the Mané - PL Champione (U1108)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Fred Klopp (U3979)
posted less than a minute ago
All of the supporter's banners and flags will be removed from the Kop tonight in protest.
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FSG must be gutted
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It's a start. The players will care more than FSG. Klopp is all about the fans too. Tumultuous times ahead.

comment by Robbing Cromwell - agent of the hierarchy. (U6374)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 12 minutes ago
So 10 years ago when only 1/2 teams were reaching the quarter finals, now 80-100% of sides are reaching the quarter final stages, therefore that is an improvement within itself.

There is nothing to say some of the players at that club cannot compete in the Premier League either just because we do not value anything outside of Europe to be as good as what we have when that's an inconclusive analysis anyway.
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I dont believe that teams that rarely reach the semi finals of the CONCAF, which will be their best teams btw, play in a league that have lots of players capable of cutting it in the Premier League. Far from it in fact.
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This.

The majority of those players are not good enough. They run a lot but lack the technical level to play in the big leagues.

comment by Robbing Cromwell - agent of the hierarchy. (U6374)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 12 minutes ago
So 10 years ago when only 1/2 teams were reaching the quarter finals, now 80-100% of sides are reaching the quarter final stages, therefore that is an improvement within itself.

There is nothing to say some of the players at that club cannot compete in the Premier League either just because we do not value anything outside of Europe to be as good as what we have when that's an inconclusive analysis anyway.
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I dont believe that teams that rarely reach the semi finals of the CONCAF, which will be their best teams btw, play in a league that have lots of players capable of cutting it in the Premier League. Far from it in fact.
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Well you don't have to believe it but that doesn't mean it isn't the case.

I'd say that Carlos Vela, Josef Martinez, Nicholas Lodeiro and Jonathan dos Santos, for example, all have the capabilities to play in the Premier League.

That's about 1%

comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 35 minutes ago
Theres some funny posts today
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In fairness, our club has proposed an course of action which has seen governing bodies threaten to throw us out of the EPL. It was always likely to elicit a range of responses