So we've seen the accounts and we're buying players without selling any too.

You'd think people would get bored of bring wrong all the time but no.

comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
posted 5 minutes ago
How many more times do FSG need to scheme to penny pinch before you doubt what Klopp says to cover for them in public because dirty laundry in public isn't how we operate. Furlough, trademarking the word Liverpool, Big Picture, ticket prices, ESL. They are sc um.
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Do you not think any of that is for the benefit of the club? In terms of sustainability and development?
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Acts of pure greed and alienating the club from its fans, the people of Liverpool and football fans in general is doing no benefit at all to the future of this club.

We've had several instances of the above for me. The ESL was the straw that broke the camels back for me which is why I'll want FSG out until the day they leave the club now.

comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
posted 21 minutes ago
How many more times do FSG need to scheme to penny pinch before you doubt what Klopp says to cover for them in public because dirty laundry in public isn't how we operate. Furlough, trademarking the word Liverpool, Big Picture, ticket prices, ESL. They are sc um.
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We all disagree with everything you've listed, but that's not penny pinching.

FSG are trying to run us sustainably, which is why they've attempted the above as all of it would have brought more money into the club.

From a purely business POV, they all made sense.

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I dunno. I assume we're all happy with them making us one of the top six most valuable clubs in the world, increasing the wage bill, spending hundreds of millions, getting Klopp by paying him £15m a year, rebuilding the training facilities, challenging for major honours and having the lowest ticket prices out of all the CL clubs in England right?

Are those bits okay or do we just forget them?

I suspect if the TEAM had won more games people would be less upset at the BOARD.

FSG are not holding back and anyone who says they are are being willfully stupid because it's all there in black and white. Its just fvcking weird now tbh. Proper tin foil hat stuff.

comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Neo (U9135)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
posted 5 minutes ago
How many more times do FSG need to scheme to penny pinch before you doubt what Klopp says to cover for them in public because dirty laundry in public isn't how we operate. Furlough, trademarking the word Liverpool, Big Picture, ticket prices, ESL. They are sc um.
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Do you not think any of that is for the benefit of the club? In terms of sustainability and development?
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Acts of pure greed and alienating the club from its fans, the people of Liverpool and football fans in general is doing no benefit at all to the future of this club.

We've had several instances of the above for me. The ESL was the straw that broke the camels back for me which is why I'll want FSG out until the day they leave the club now.
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I've got no issue with that being the reason why you don't like FSG.

My issue is and remains those who claim that FSG are holding out on us financially without even bothering to look at all the information that is readily available and prove that isn't the case.
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I'd say money spent on players has been pretty fair on players in general. Backed the manager at the right times. Of course could have possibly spent more on certain occasions but understand the reasons for not doing so.

Just fed up of all the embarrassing acts that others have listed on this thread that are dragging the name of this club and what it stands for, completely through the mud to be honest. There have been a ridiculous number in the last 12 months alone.

comment by Neo (U9135)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
posted 5 minutes ago
How many more times do FSG need to scheme to penny pinch before you doubt what Klopp says to cover for them in public because dirty laundry in public isn't how we operate. Furlough, trademarking the word Liverpool, Big Picture, ticket prices, ESL. They are sc um.
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Do you not think any of that is for the benefit of the club? In terms of sustainability and development?
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Acts of pure greed and alienating the club from its fans, the people of Liverpool and football fans in general is doing no benefit at all to the future of this club.

We've had several instances of the above for me. The ESL was the straw that broke the camels back for me which is why I'll want FSG out until the day they leave the club now.
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As said above, the issue isn't about what was wrong with the formation of the ESL and what it did with the fans. You're correct when you say it has no benefit to the fans, the people etc.

Money is everything in football now. People can deny that as much as they want, but it is. The ESL was a financial benefit for the club which is exactly what was needed in the owners eyes.

I dont know about the wider fanbase but the club is built on a YNWA premise and I certainly don't see much of that on here. In fact if someone googled the word 'supporter'and then looked on here I don't think they'd understand.

comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted less than a minute ago
I dont know about the wider fanbase but the club is built on a YNWA premise and I certainly don't see much of that on here. In fact if someone googled the word 'supporter'and then looked on here I don't think they'd understand.
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I doubt our owners even know what YNWA stands for, to be honest.

Without FSG the club would have been bankrupt. They have made this club what it is today. The owners have invested in the redevelopment of the stadium and training ground while getting us a worldclass manager and buying quality players.

People forget the last 20 years before FSG came in when we were shte off the field and on the field.

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comment by Neo (U9135)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted less than a minute ago
I dont know about the wider fanbase but the club is built on a YNWA premise and I certainly don't see much of that on here. In fact if someone googled the word 'supporter'and then looked on here I don't think they'd understand.
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I doubt our owners even know what YNWA stands for, to be honest.
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Well I don't think we can deny that they did put the ticket prices backdown, did pull out of the ESL and didn't furlough anyone. That's not up for debate.

Can't really have a pop at them about that and then spend umpteen hours moaning about players in my opinion.

comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 34 seconds ago
I dont know about the wider fanbase but the club is built on a YNWA premise and I certainly don't see much of that on here. In fact if someone googled the word 'supporter'and then looked on here I don't think they'd understand.
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That's who they are targeting now (the clubs), the wider fanbase.

60 odd million people in this country, how many do you think support Liverpool?

There's something like 2.5 billion people in both China and America alone, how many of them do you think support Liverpool? I'd but my bet on there is (far) more in both of them countries than those who reside in Liverpool/Merseyside or anywhere else in the UK.

They bring the money in these days, the wider fanbase. Pi ssing on all those who built the club is wrong on an ethical level, but not from a financial perspective and that is imperative these days.

comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 34 seconds ago
I dont know about the wider fanbase but the club is built on a YNWA premise and I certainly don't see much of that on here. In fact if someone googled the word 'supporter'and then looked on here I don't think they'd understand.
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That's who they are targeting now (the clubs), the wider fanbase.

60 odd million people in this country, how many do you think support Liverpool?

There's something like 2.5 billion people in both China and America alone, how many of them do you think support Liverpool? I'd but my bet on there is (far) more in both of them countries than those who reside in Liverpool/Merseyside or anywhere else in the UK.

They bring the money in these days, the wider fanbase. Pi ssing on all those who built the club is wrong on an ethical level, but not from a financial perspective and that is imperative these days.
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Yeah my point is I don't see much of the YNWA spirit on here. I see armchairs calling players names and moaning a lot though that's for sure, which is fine, but also low rent and hypocritical imo.

Yes I agree with that. But that's just how it is these days. At the end of the day, you can only fit 53,000 off people in Anfield at a given time, people have been absolutely dying for a season ticket for years, the club is very much a global operation.

The club will want to reach out to those people, it's seemingly a win-win for them. Have the wider community more involved for a greater revenue.

Let's be honest, if the entire population of Liverpool boycotted going to Anfield, the stadium would still be full on a matchday.

Understand your sentiments Neo, I felt the same way last week, but I don't really think FSG out is the right move having given it more thought.

The only people who could buy us at $4billion are either oil/state backed or another huge capitalist group. So we'll either become someone's plaything with potentially very dodgy background, or we'll have just another FSG who will probably also take dividends out of the club.

Neither strike as me owners who will care about the fans more than FSG currently do.

comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Neo (U9135)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted less than a minute ago
I dont know about the wider fanbase but the club is built on a YNWA premise and I certainly don't see much of that on here. In fact if someone googled the word 'supporter'and then looked on here I don't think they'd understand.
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I doubt our owners even know what YNWA stands for, to be honest.
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Well I don't think we can deny that they did put the ticket prices backdown, did pull out of the ESL and didn't furlough anyone. That's not up for debate.

Can't really have a pop at them about that and then spend umpteen hours moaning about players in my opinion.
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All examples of where the club has made a screw up in order to make more money, seen the fans aren't going to put up with it, and then had to cancel.

How about give a few examples of gestures of when the owners have shown they care about the fans without having to make an embarrassing U turn in the process. There aren't many.

comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The Mane Man (U19731)
posted 28 seconds ago
Without FSG the club would have been bankrupt. They have made this club what it is today. The owners have invested in the redevelopment of the stadium and training ground while getting us a worldclass manager and buying quality players.

People forget the last 20 years before FSG came in when we were shte off the field and on the field.
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Nah, they lucked out getting Klopp. That is the ONLY REASON.
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Come on man they were after him for the next 5 years after they came in. Our recruitment is also top notch in getting the right players who suit the managers style.

FSG have done a great job in restoring this great club.

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comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 3 minutes ago
Understand your sentiments Neo, I felt the same way last week, but I don't really think FSG out is the right move having given it more thought.

The only people who could buy us at $4billion are either oil/state backed or another huge capitalist group. So we'll either become someone's plaything with potentially very dodgy background, or we'll have just another FSG who will probably also take dividends out of the club.

Neither strike as me owners who will care about the fans more than FSG currently do.
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Yep its probably right that arab oil groups are probably the only ones that could afford us now.

Ideally don't want us going that way but if they could demonstrate they understand the importance of maintaining the club ethos and what it stands for, I'd be willing to accept it.

comment by Neo (U9135)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Neo (U9135)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted less than a minute ago
I dont know about the wider fanbase but the club is built on a YNWA premise and I certainly don't see much of that on here. In fact if someone googled the word 'supporter'and then looked on here I don't think they'd understand.
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I doubt our owners even know what YNWA stands for, to be honest.
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Well I don't think we can deny that they did put the ticket prices backdown, did pull out of the ESL and didn't furlough anyone. That's not up for debate.

Can't really have a pop at them about that and then spend umpteen hours moaning about players in my opinion.
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All examples of where the club has made a screw up in order to make more money, seen the fans aren't going to put up with it, and then had to cancel.

How about give a few examples of gestures of when the owners have shown they care about the fans without having to make an embarrassing U turn in the process. There aren't many.
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I mean I don't find it embarrassing. I saw someone talking about the Shane of being in the Europa yesterday which I found utterly laughable.

Surely those U-turns are the gestures no?

Either way that's not really what I expect. At no point did I think ahhh yeah FSG are philanthropists.

What would you like them to do? Subsidised travel to away games would be nice I guess. We already have pretty low ticket prices compared to many.

I dunno, maybe I'm a bit softer on them because I know I put next to no money into the club these days so feel I don't really have much right to complain.

Not for me. The gestures would be not making those screw ups in the first place.

Don’t understand the premise of those who don’t put regular money into the club not being allowed an opinion but that’s a debate for another day. (Even though I do put in a fair amount each year personally)

I'm not saying people are not allowed an opinion.

I'm saying that because I don't put much money in these days I don't feel so have any credibility moaning about money that they spend.

That's what clubs are and atm I'm more of a fan than a supporter because I'm not putting anything in.