comment by Anfield RAP (U22951)
posted 36 minutes ago
I've just looked at last years Fantasy Football points.

Thiago got 30 and cost 5.1m
Milner got 42 and cost 4.4m

Get rid.
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comment by Anfield RAP (U22951)
posted 35 minutes ago
Lavia got 57 for a relegated team at 4.5m
Mac Allister got 140 at 5.6m

Replacing 72 points with 197 points at a net cost of 0.6m seems like shrewd business
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I like the way you think RAP.

Thiago should be the first midfielder out the door.

comment by Taki Minamino (U20650)
posted 46 minutes ago
Thiagos game has never been about those things k7, not sure why you'd think it was, he was never like that at bayern etc

Anyway yeah should be sold always injured and can't afford to lose another player on a free
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About which things in particular? Making key passes? Unlocking defences?

Most of the times he's been injured is because he's having to play 8/9 games in a row due to the back ups also being injured or sh!teee.
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People say this but I'm not so sure. I get the argument but other players also play many games in a row. I don't think it's about number of games, he is injury prone regardless and IMO he can't handle the Prem very well.

We win more games of football when plays and that's a fact. He is a superb footballer and technically our best midfielder, and by quite a distance. We've had a fair bit of experience leave this summer too. Yes, he only plays 30 games a season. And what?

We've had a lot of success in the past without as much technicalness. As I said, I appreciate his talents but I feel we would be better off with a Gini type midfielder than Thiago's technicalness.

comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 15 minutes ago
Most of the times he's been injured is because he's having to play 8/9 games in a row due to the back ups also being injured or sh!teee.
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People say this but I'm not so sure. I get the argument but other players also play many games in a row. I don't think it's about number of games, he is injury prone regardless and IMO he can't handle the Prem very well.
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Oh yeah I'm not saying he's not injury prone but we finally have the opportunity to play him for 4 games then rest him/sub him on etc.

Reckon it'd go a long way to keeping him fit for longer.

comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 15 minutes ago
Most of the times he's been injured is because he's having to play 8/9 games in a row due to the back ups also being injured or sh!teee.
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People say this but I'm not so sure. I get the argument but other players also play many games in a row. I don't think it's about number of games, he is injury prone regardless and IMO he can't handle the Prem very well.
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Oh yeah I'm not saying he's not injury prone but we finally have the opportunity to play him for 4 games then rest him/sub him on etc.

Reckon it'd go a long way to keeping him fit for longer.
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Or just get rid and get a proper reliable midfielder perhaps, instead of using a squad space on him and his handicap.

Also, if a season is 50-60 games then Thiago has missed half the season in each of the 3 season's he's been with us.

It's not like we didn't know that he was injury prone though

comment by Michael Edwards 7-0 FC {Proud owner of the 5 000 000th comment} (U2720)
posted 1 minute ago
It's not like we didn't know that he was injury prone though
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We've made a lot of mistakes in midfield tbh. Carrying 3 players that are almost always injured and then failing to replenish, forcing us to run Hendo and Fab into the ground.

This is one of those situations where all the evidence is pointing towards a certain conclusion but people are still like "naaah, he's OK".

It's all a bit moot anyway I suspect. He'll go when his contract is up and not before.

comment by Robbing Hoody - At the end of a storm (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
It's all a bit moot anyway I suspect. He'll go when his contract is up and not before.
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Yeah agreed he’ll get paid a lot more on a free

comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 21 minutes ago
Also, if a season is 50-60 games then Thiago has missed half the season in each of the 3 season's he's been with us.
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With 1 more midfield addition to go along with Mac and Szob we will have the depth to not worry too much when he gets injured.

This is what Bayern did with him before he left. He only played in the big games and was on the bench against the lesser oppositions.

We had to start him in every game and he kept breaking down.

Tbh I’m just excited to see some younger more hungry players with everything to prove in the team.

The desire will naturally be so much greater than many of the more ageing players and it’s going to give us a different energy.

Really good summer so far but still a way to go.

comment by Robbing Hoody - At the end of a storm (U6374)
posted 28 minutes ago
It's all a bit moot anyway I suspect. He'll go when his contract is up and not before.
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You're probably right but if the Saudis or anyone else show any interest they should get lots of encouragement from us. I'd take 10m for him tbh.

He's on 200k a week, in the top 3 best paid at Liverpool when he's available only half the time and contributes next to nothing in goals and assists.

More damning evidence.

comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 43 minutes ago
This is one of those situations where all the evidence is pointing towards a certain conclusion but people are still like "naaah, he's OK".
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All the evidence?

In 21/22 we won 80.8% of games with Thiago starting. When he was injured of benched, that win rate dropped significantly to 67.6%.

I haven't seen the % from 22/23 but I'm sure I read at some point that our win % without him last season was shockingly low.

When the team is playing well, Thiago controls matches. He moves the ball quickly so defences don't get much time to reset. He's far too unreliable injury wise but I'd take 25 games of Thiago rather than cashing in. Especially next year when we're going to have at least 2 new midfielders settling in.

comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 43 minutes ago
This is one of those situations where all the evidence is pointing towards a certain conclusion but people are still like "naaah, he's OK".
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All the evidence?

In 21/22 we won 80.8% of games with Thiago starting. When he was injured of benched, that win rate dropped significantly to 67.6%.

I haven't seen the % from 22/23 but I'm sure I read at some point that our win % without him last season was shockingly low.

When the team is playing well, Thiago controls matches. He moves the ball quickly so defences don't get much time to reset. He's far too unreliable injury wise but I'd take 25 games of Thiago rather than cashing in. Especially next year when we're going to have at least 2 new midfielders settling in.
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Yup. It's not even up for debate really.

comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 43 minutes ago
This is one of those situations where all the evidence is pointing towards a certain conclusion but people are still like "naaah, he's OK".
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All the evidence?

In 21/22 we won 80.8% of games with Thiago starting. When he was injured of benched, that win rate dropped significantly to 67.6%.

I haven't seen the % from 22/23 but I'm sure I read at some point that our win % without him last season was shockingly low.

When the team is playing well, Thiago controls matches. He moves the ball quickly so defences don't get much time to reset. He's far too unreliable injury wise but I'd take 25 games of Thiago rather than cashing in. Especially next year when we're going to have at least 2 new midfielders settling in.
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Yeah, that stat is a very loose one and probably the reason why stats aren't ultimately reliable. Where did you get this info? What was our win percentage when Hendo or Fab or anyone else started vs when they didn't start? Can we compare that to Thiago so as to see whether this stat is something special or just another average stat.

It's more reliable that using goals and assists as a measure of a deep lying playmaker ability.

comment by Robbing Hoody - At the end of a storm (U6374)
posted 57 seconds ago
It's more reliable that using goals and assists as a measure of a deep lying playmaker ability.
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Not as reliable as using goals ad assists which are corroborated by other additional evidence. Winning a particular game could be down to a million factors but individual assessment is more accurate.

Also, a deep lying playmaker should surely have more than 4 assists in 3 years. That's a directly related stat to playmaking otherwise what stats should a playmaker excel at? Even Hendo been doing more playmaking than this lad.

And that's the point IMO, he's not been very good at what he's supposed to be good at, leave alone what he's not good at.

As I said, a Gini type would serve us better but I don't state this as gospel truth, I appreciate others will have different opinions which I am interested to hear and wipp respect, otherwise I wouldn't be sharing my own opinion.

Just no. Anyway, I'm going with Klopp on this one.