comment by Robbing Hoody - At the end of a storm (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
Just no. Anyway, I'm going with Klopp on this one.
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Tell him to play TAA in midfield while you're at it

comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 43 minutes ago
This is one of those situations where all the evidence is pointing towards a certain conclusion but people are still like "naaah, he's OK".
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All the evidence?

In 21/22 we won 80.8% of games with Thiago starting. When he was injured of benched, that win rate dropped significantly to 67.6%.

I haven't seen the % from 22/23 but I'm sure I read at some point that our win % without him last season was shockingly low.

When the team is playing well, Thiago controls matches. He moves the ball quickly so defences don't get much time to reset. He's far too unreliable injury wise but I'd take 25 games of Thiago rather than cashing in. Especially next year when we're going to have at least 2 new midfielders settling in.
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Yeah, that stat is a very loose one and probably the reason why stats aren't ultimately reliable. Where did you get this info? What was our win percentage when Hendo or Fab or anyone else started vs when they didn't start? Can we compare that to Thiago so as to see whether this stat is something special or just another average stat.
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Was just a telegraph article because I couldn't remember the number off the top of my head but knew they were good - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2022/09/14/keep-thiago-fit-liverpool-can-put-end-clear-the-air-meetings/

Think the 22/23 % being shockingly low was on twitter (yeah, I know) but I really can't remember the numbers.

I actually agree that his goals and assists is a little low for someone of his ability. But equally I wouldn't be judging him on that basis. Just as I wouldn't (for example) use goals and assists to judge someone like Pirlo.

As I said, when we're playing well Thiago controls games. The calm metronome.

I didn't use just goals and assists to judge him. There was more to corroborate my view. Obviously your point works better if you just decide that I judged him on just goals and assists but that's not what I did.

comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
I didn't use just goals and assists to judge him. There was more to corroborate my view. Obviously your point works better if you just decide that I judged him on just goals and assists but that's not what I did.
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"His three seasons with us
18 games 0 goals 0 assists
25 games 1 goal 4 assists
24 games 0 goals 0 assists
Scored 1 goal in the CL overall
Interceptions and many other stats also poor
Same period Hendo has 3 goals and 8 assists."

I'll be honest with you, I ignored your "interceptions and many other stats also poor" because it was so vague. It felt to me like you were focusing on goals and assists.

Yes, in that particular comment perhaps, but I made more comments I'm sure. Feel free to have a look.

Dam Trent is 8 million on FF as a defender

Still worth it though.

comment by Gaffer Pranky (U22336)
posted less than a minute ago
Still worth it though.
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Haaland 14m and Mo 12.9m. That's a big chunk of the budget

comment by (K̇ash) - Liverpool 7-0 Man U (U1108)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Gaffer Pranky (U22336)
posted less than a minute ago
Still worth it though.
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Haaland 14m and Mo 12.9m. That's a big chunk of the budget
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AMA 6 million, looks a bargain.

comment by Gaffer Pranky (U22336)
posted 1 minute ago
Dam Trent is 8 million on FF as a defender
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A defender who team dont concede much n he gets lotsa ass-cysts

of course he exoensive, u mmmmmuuuuuuuggghg

I can see the value of keeping him for the young players to learn from. He's obviously great on the ball, his distribution is outstanding, but in terms of energy and mobility he struggles. Baj looked more effective than Thiago did last season imo. If a decent bid came in I hope Klopp doesn't hesitate to move him on, considering the wedge he's on. He's not the player he was and is injury prone.

comment by #4zA Napul3 (U22472)
posted about a minute ago
comment by Gaffer Pranky (U22336)
posted 1 minute ago
Dam Trent is 8 million on FF as a defender
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A defender who team dont concede much n he gets lotsa ass-cysts

of course he exoensive, u mmmmmuuuuuuuggghg
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Shutit

comment by Pâî§Lë¥'š _P䆆ê®ÑëÐ_ÐrÊåm§ (U1541)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
I can see the value of keeping him for the young players to learn from. He's obviously great on the ball, his distribution is outstanding, but in terms of energy and mobility he struggles. Baj looked more effective than Thiago did last season imo. If a decent bid came in I hope Klopp doesn't hesitate to move him on, considering the wedge he's on. He's not the player he was and is injury prone.
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Agree about Baj.

------------Alisson
Trent Konate VVD Robbo
------------Fabinho
---Szoboszlai-----Mac10
Salah-----Gakpo------Diaz

Bench: Kelleher, Nunez, Jota, Thiago, Hendo, Bajcetic, Elliott, Jones, Morton, Tsimikas, Matip, Gomez, Phillips, .Adrian

Question marks over Matip, Tsimikas, Thiago, Phillips, Morton and Kelleher staying.

Out of the youth? Looks like the RB Bradley will be given atleast pre season? Not really watched the youth for years now but based on previous pre seasons and cup games the likes of Gordon, Musialowski, Doak, Beck, Clark and Koumetio my some minutes? With Quansah and Lewis etc often in the England unders set ups.

So looking at it all i think its clear CBs the weakest area going forward although we'd all probably take another mf atm the cb issue is there. Matip and VVD some would say past their best and old now, Gomez not only unreliable fitness wise but also performance and Phillips not suited.

May see some minutes*

We're again 1 injury to VVD away from being in real trouble at CB. VVD himself having had a pretty poor season for us and the Netherlands last season too. Not sure if Matip has another season in him but if he does he'd have to be managed cautiously anyway. Gomez and Konate have their own question marks over staying fit for a full season, Gomez hasnt completed one yet and hes been with us longer than Klopp.

BREAKING: Manchester City goalkeeper James Trafford is in advanced talks over a £19m move to Burnley.

City are open to selling Trafford with the option of a buy-back clause inserted into the deal.

- talkSPORT sources understand.

📻 LISTEN: talkSPORT.com/Live

Who the fack is this?!

Agent Kompany prob an ambassador for City.

Hes the lad who was at Bolton with Bradley i think.

£19m

Kompany's offshore account now bulging.

Sound very suspicius

£19m for a guy who’s played only league one football.

Kelleher is home grown too isn’t he? Should be asking for £40m for him in that case.

comment by Neo (U9135)
posted less than a minute ago
£19m for a guy who’s played only league one football.

Kelleher is home grown too isn’t he? Should be asking for £40m for him in that case.
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hes never been played enough ppl prob dont know who he is.

🚨 Thiago is currently engaged in advanced negotiations with Al Ahli.

{@Adel_AlMishry} ~ #LFC

jeez

Do worry about City selling this kid to Burnley, Gerrard is going to bid £80m for Hendo! 👀