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But then again, none of them had heard of George Best either.
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WHO WERE THESE PEOPEL?!?!?!
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I'm being deadly serious I went out of my way to ask everyone I've met abroad who was into football if they've heard of George Best. Not one!
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Were you holidaying in Darkest Peru?
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I've been to a host of countries including France, Spain, Netherlands, Russia, Poland, Lithuania, Georgia and USA. I didn't ask anybody in USA as I was ten at the time and had other things on my mind as I watched the Olympics and went to Myrtle Beach aswell as frequenting a fast food joint for dinner every single day for the six weeks I was there, with the family I stayed with.
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i bet they all heard of stevie g though
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And anyone who watched him play for England on the left and constantly drift all over the pitch would quibble with the positionally disciplined claim. As I said I think he can take some blame for often abandoning his midfield position to go goal hunting, leaving his team more exposed in the centre.
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Anyone with some football knowledge would know that that's what he was told to do.
He started on the left but was given a free role when England attacked and to on the left when England were defending. Like a false left sided player. See how false 9 works..
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Exactly and many players were used in that role exactly for England as there was no good left sided player. Scholes, Gerrard, Cole amongst others.
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But then again, none of them had heard of George Best either.
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WHO WERE THESE PEOPEL?!?!?!
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I'm being deadly serious I went out of my way to ask everyone I've met abroad who was into football if they've heard of George Best. Not one!
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Were you holidaying in Darkest Peru?
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I've been to a host of countries including France, Spain, Netherlands, Russia, Poland, Lithuania, Georgia and USA. I didn't ask anybody in USA as I was ten at the time and had other things on my mind as I watched the Olympics and went to Myrtle Beach aswell as frequenting a fast food joint for dinner every single day for the six weeks I was there, with the family I stayed with.
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i bet they all heard of stevie g though
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Absolutely everybody I spoke to about Gerrard had heard of him and thought he was a great player, yes.
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But then again, none of them had heard of George Best either.
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WHO WERE THESE PEOPEL?!?!?!
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I'm being deadly serious I went out of my way to ask everyone I've met abroad who was into football if they've heard of George Best. Not one!
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Were you holidaying in Darkest Peru?
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I've been to a host of countries including France, Spain, Netherlands, Russia, Poland, Lithuania, Georgia and USA. I didn't ask anybody in USA as I was ten at the time and had other things on my mind as I watched the Olympics and went to Myrtle Beach aswell as frequenting a fast food joint for dinner every single day for the six weeks I was there, with the family I stayed with.
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i bet they all heard of stevie g though
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Absolutely everybody I spoke to about Gerrard had heard of him and thought he was a great player, yes.
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off course they did
I've been to a host of countries including France, Spain, Netherlands, Russia, Poland, Lithuania, Georgia and USA
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Are you seriously trying to tell us that you met no football fan from these countries who had heard of Paul Scholes? Seriously?
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I said his one great season, not his one good season...last season he was good, but slightly overrated.
And anyone who watched him play for England on the left and constantly drift all over the pitch would quibble with the positionally disciplined claim. As I said I think he can take some blame for often abandoning his midfield position to go goal hunting, leaving his team more exposed in the centre.
I think he is a very very good player, but ever so slightly overrated, and I'm with the people on here who favour Lampard, whose career stats are simply absurd. Gerrard filling in at right-back - and I don't know anyone who would claim he was a great right-back, simply that he could do it - is irrelevant.
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So because he was he occasionally out of position in his 16 years of playing and near circa 700 games, that makes him slightly overrated and lacking in positional discipline?
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No, because he was consistently out of position - last year he was nominally a holding/defensive midfielder in a team that shipped 50 goals, same this year - and because it is being argued by some on here that he is the PL's greatest midfielder/player, then that makes him overrated.
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Consistently out of position you say? This is getting silly now.
Just how many times during these 700 games was he out of position exactly?
How many times were goals we conceded directly down to Gerrard being out of position?
At his best in central midfield, he was a box to box player. Normally we had a defensive midfielder alongside him, whether that be Hamann, Mascherano, Alonso, Lucas. So let's say Gerrard was attacking further up the pitch and we lost the ball and then we'd concede. Is that Gerrard's fault? Is that him out of position?
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But then again, none of them had heard of George Best either.
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WHO WERE THESE PEOPEL?!?!?!
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I'm being deadly serious I went out of my way to ask everyone I've met abroad who was into football if they've heard of George Best. Not one!
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Were you holidaying in Darkest Peru?
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I've been to a host of countries including France, Spain, Netherlands, Russia, Poland, Lithuania, Georgia and USA. I didn't ask anybody in USA as I was ten at the time and had other things on my mind as I watched the Olympics and went to Myrtle Beach aswell as frequenting a fast food joint for dinner every single day for the six weeks I was there, with the family I stayed with.
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i bet they all heard of stevie g though
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Absolutely everybody I spoke to about Gerrard had heard of him and thought he was a great player, yes.
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off course they did
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Yes...yes they did. I'm not sure why that's funny. Maybe you're easily amused or a little bit special but that's for another debate.
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I've been to a host of countries including France, Spain, Netherlands, Russia, Poland, Lithuania, Georgia and USA
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Are you seriously trying to tell us that you met no football fan from these countries who had heard of Paul Scholes? Seriously?
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Correct. Well maybe not that they hadn't heard of him but he was never mentioned when they listed the best players playing in the UK or who had played in the UK. I specifically asked if they'd heard of Best and nobody had.
Ok, tough question for you all. Will Gerrard be remembered as a PL great?
On ability, I'd say yes. But can you be classed as a great in a competition that you haven't won?
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I said his one great season, not his one good season...last season he was good, but slightly overrated.
And anyone who watched him play for England on the left and constantly drift all over the pitch would quibble with the positionally disciplined claim. As I said I think he can take some blame for often abandoning his midfield position to go goal hunting, leaving his team more exposed in the centre.
I think he is a very very good player, but ever so slightly overrated, and I'm with the people on here who favour Lampard, whose career stats are simply absurd. Gerrard filling in at right-back - and I don't know anyone who would claim he was a great right-back, simply that he could do it - is irrelevant.
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So because he was he occasionally out of position in his 16 years of playing and near circa 700 games, that makes him slightly overrated and lacking in positional discipline?
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No, because he was consistently out of position - last year he was nominally a holding/defensive midfielder in a team that shipped 50 goals, same this year - and because it is being argued by some on here that he is the PL's greatest midfielder/player, then that makes him overrated.
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Consistently out of position you say?This is getting silly now.
Just how many times during these 700 games was he out of position exactly?
How many times were goals we conceded directly down to Gerrard being out of position?
At his best in central midfield, he was a box to box player. Normally we had a defensive midfielder alongside him, whether that be Hamann, Mascherano, Alonso, Lucas. So let's say Gerrard was attacking further up the pitch and we lost the ball and then we'd concede. Is that Gerrard's fault? Is that him out of position?
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Exactly? He was out of position 487 times, ie 69.6% of his 700 games. Exactly.
Though this does illustrate one issue with these debates, you may well have seen Gerrard play live/on tv 300-400 times, ie 10 times the number of matches you have seen Scholes/Lampard in, so will naturally tend to rate him higher than the others.
But even Gerrard's staunchest fans will not list "positionally disciplined" as his greatest strength, sorry.
Likewise basing their ability on individual honours is also meaningless
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Individual honours is based on individual performance.
Gerrard's performances reached the heights of the world best at his peak. Was just incredible and something you would normally see in superhero movies..
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I said his one great season, not his one good season...last season he was good, but slightly overrated.
And anyone who watched him play for England on the left and constantly drift all over the pitch would quibble with the positionally disciplined claim. As I said I think he can take some blame for often abandoning his midfield position to go goal hunting, leaving his team more exposed in the centre.
I think he is a very very good player, but ever so slightly overrated, and I'm with the people on here who favour Lampard, whose career stats are simply absurd. Gerrard filling in at right-back - and I don't know anyone who would claim he was a great right-back, simply that he could do it - is irrelevant.
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So because he was he occasionally out of position in his 16 years of playing and near circa 700 games, that makes him slightly overrated and lacking in positional discipline?
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No, because he was consistently out of position - last year he was nominally a holding/defensive midfielder in a team that shipped 50 goals, same this year - and because it is being argued by some on here that he is the PL's greatest midfielder/player, then that makes him overrated.
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Consistently out of position you say?This is getting silly now.
Just how many times during these 700 games was he out of position exactly?
How many times were goals we conceded directly down to Gerrard being out of position?
At his best in central midfield, he was a box to box player. Normally we had a defensive midfielder alongside him, whether that be Hamann, Mascherano, Alonso, Lucas. So let's say Gerrard was attacking further up the pitch and we lost the ball and then we'd concede. Is that Gerrard's fault? Is that him out of position?
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This is the kind of thing people who don't know much about football tactics don't understand. The same happened with Johnson throughout his career. He was required to be an attacking full back yet when he pushed up the pitch to attack and the attack broke down, if a goal was scored from our space on the right, Johnson was apparently out of position and at fault for the goal.
Correct. Well maybe not that they hadn't heard of him but he was never mentioned when they listed the best players playing in the UK or who had played in the UK. I specifically asked if they'd heard of Best and nobody had.
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Sorry. Don't buy it. Particularly the Spain one, as pretty much every football fan I've met there seems to see Scholes as some sort of Demi-god.
In 50 years someone will look at Gerrards wiki page and see 800 first class appearances, best part of 200 goals, a massive list of honours, loads of references from top fellow pro's and managers and a trophy list that includes literally every club cup competition possible. They'll probably go onto a highlights package and see some amazing shít.
I couldn't give two fúcks about what anyone else did - that's a stellar career and I wish him all the best after a career that he should be rightly very very proud of.
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I said his one great season, not his one good season...last season he was good, but slightly overrated.
And anyone who watched him play for England on the left and constantly drift all over the pitch would quibble with the positionally disciplined claim. As I said I think he can take some blame for often abandoning his midfield position to go goal hunting, leaving his team more exposed in the centre.
I think he is a very very good player, but ever so slightly overrated, and I'm with the people on here who favour Lampard, whose career stats are simply absurd. Gerrard filling in at right-back - and I don't know anyone who would claim he was a great right-back, simply that he could do it - is irrelevant.
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So because he was he occasionally out of position in his 16 years of playing and near circa 700 games, that makes him slightly overrated and lacking in positional discipline?
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No, because he was consistently out of position - last year he was nominally a holding/defensive midfielder in a team that shipped 50 goals, same this year - and because it is being argued by some on here that he is the PL's greatest midfielder/player, then that makes him overrated.
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Consistently out of position you say?This is getting silly now.
Just how many times during these 700 games was he out of position exactly?
How many times were goals we conceded directly down to Gerrard being out of position?
At his best in central midfield, he was a box to box player. Normally we had a defensive midfielder alongside him, whether that be Hamann, Mascherano, Alonso, Lucas. So let's say Gerrard was attacking further up the pitch and we lost the ball and then we'd concede. Is that Gerrard's fault? Is that him out of position?
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This is the kind of thing people who don't know much about football tactics don't understand. The same happened with Johnson throughout his career. He was required to be an attacking full back yet when he pushed up the pitch to attack and the attack broke down, if a goal was scored from our space on the right, Johnson was apparently out of position and at fault for the goal.
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Thanks for patronising me, though as a Liverpool fan you would be aware just how lowly rated Glen Johnson is by your fans, so the example is a curious one.
Will Gerrard be remembered as a PL great?
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Yes. I think he has to be.
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But can you be classed as a great in a competition that you haven't won?
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I think it depends on circumstance. I'd still say you can, yes. If Gerrard had moved to Arsenal, Chelsea or United he'd have won many.
Shearer only won it once - he's certainly a great.
Zola? Klinsmann? Le Tissier? Carragher?
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Ok, tough question for you all. Will Gerrard be remembered as a PL great?
On ability, I'd say yes. But can you be classed as a great in a competition that you haven't won?
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I think he'll be remembered and get better recognition when he retires, like Scholes has but more so. I don't think winning a team competition will come into it as as an individual he was outstanding and has the individual awards from fellow professionals and professional football bodies to back that up.
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Ok, tough question for you all. Will Gerrard be remembered as a PL great?
On ability, I'd say yes. But can you be classed as a great in a competition that you haven't won?
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Good question.
I think so. He could have left. He could have won it as a result I would have thought so I think so. But I will!
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But then again, none of them had heard of George Best either.
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WHO WERE THESE PEOPEL?!?!?!
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I'm being deadly serious I went out of my way to ask everyone I've met abroad who was into football if they've heard of George Best. Not one!
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Were you holidaying in Darkest Peru?
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I've been to a host of countries including France, Spain, Netherlands, Russia, Poland, Lithuania, Georgia and USA. I didn't ask anybody in USA as I was ten at the time and had other things on my mind as I watched the Olympics and went to Myrtle Beach aswell as frequenting a fast food joint for dinner every single day for the six weeks I was there, with the family I stayed with.
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i bet they all heard of stevie g though
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Absolutely everybody I spoke to about Gerrard had heard of him and thought he was a great player, yes.
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off course they did
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Yes...yes they did. I'm not sure why that's funny. Maybe you're easily amused or a little bit special but that's for another debate.
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whats amusing is the thaughts of a stevie g fan boy supposedly traveling around the world quizzing everyone he meets if they know stevie g.
now thats special
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Correct. Well maybe not that they hadn't heard of him but he was never mentioned when they listed the best players playing in the UK or who had played in the UK. I specifically asked if they'd heard of Best and nobody had.
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Sorry. Don't buy it. Particularly the Spain one, as pretty much every football fan I've met there seems to see Scholes as some sort of Demi-god.
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Really? Never heard of it. What did they tell you about him which made it seem like they thought of him as a Demi-God?
On ability, I'd say yes. But can you be classed as a great in a competition that you haven't won?
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Teams win trophies. Gerrard is obviously a great.
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Correct. Well maybe not that they hadn't heard of him but he was never mentioned when they listed the best players playing in the UK or who had played in the UK. I specifically asked if they'd heard of Best and nobody had.
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Sorry. Don't buy it. Particularly the Spain one, as pretty much every football fan I've met there seems to see Scholes as some sort of Demi-god.
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That is my experience too. When I was travelling South America everyone held him in high regard too, and that included, Chile, Peru & Ecuador!
I asked every football fan I've met abroad if they've won the same amount of PL titles as Steven Gerrard.
They all said yes
On ability, I'd say yes. But can you be classed as a great in a competition that you haven't won?
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Of course you can. There are a number of great players who never won the league (not just Premier League but the old Division 1).
Paul Gascoigne - one of England most talented players
Gary Lineker - One of England's greatest goalscorers
Bobby Moore- one of England's greatest ever defenders and World Cup winner.
Gordon Banks- considered by some as one of the of the greatest goalkeepers in football.
Jimmy Greaves - considered one of England's greatest strikers
To say any of these players aren't great because they didn't win the league is absurd.
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But then again, none of them had heard of George Best either.
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WHO WERE THESE PEOPEL?!?!?!
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I'm being deadly serious I went out of my way to ask everyone I've met abroad who was into football if they've heard of George Best. Not one!
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Were you holidaying in Darkest Peru?
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I've been to a host of countries including France, Spain, Netherlands, Russia, Poland, Lithuania, Georgia and USA. I didn't ask anybody in USA as I was ten at the time and had other things on my mind as I watched the Olympics and went to Myrtle Beach aswell as frequenting a fast food joint for dinner every single day for the six weeks I was there, with the family I stayed with.
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i bet they all heard of stevie g though
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Absolutely everybody I spoke to about Gerrard had heard of him and thought he was a great player, yes.
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off course they did
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Yes...yes they did. I'm not sure why that's funny. Maybe you're easily amused or a little bit special but that's for another debate.
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whats amusing is the thaughts of a stevie g fan boy supposedly traveling around the world quizzing everyone he meets if they know stevie g.
now thats special
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Yes, that's what I did. It's really strange how you make scenarios up and laugh at them. You're the only one laughing, at your own scenarios. Quite a strange fella.
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But then again, none of them had heard of George Best either.
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WHO WERE THESE PEOPEL?!?!?!
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I'm being deadly serious I went out of my way to ask everyone I've met abroad who was into football if they've heard of George Best. Not one!
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Were you holidaying in Darkest Peru?
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I've been to a host of countries including France, Spain, Netherlands, Russia, Poland, Lithuania, Georgia and USA. I didn't ask anybody in USA as I was ten at the time and had other things on my mind as I watched the Olympics and went to Myrtle Beach aswell as frequenting a fast food joint for dinner every single day for the six weeks I was there, with the family I stayed with.
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i bet they all heard of stevie g though
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comment by {honestlivpool~five~times} 👽 🐎 #worldpea... (U1661)
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And anyone who watched him play for England on the left and constantly drift all over the pitch would quibble with the positionally disciplined claim. As I said I think he can take some blame for often abandoning his midfield position to go goal hunting, leaving his team more exposed in the centre.
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Anyone with some football knowledge would know that that's what he was told to do.
He started on the left but was given a free role when England attacked and to on the left when England were defending. Like a false left sided player. See how false 9 works..
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Exactly and many players were used in that role exactly for England as there was no good left sided player. Scholes, Gerrard, Cole amongst others.
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But then again, none of them had heard of George Best either.
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WHO WERE THESE PEOPEL?!?!?!
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I'm being deadly serious I went out of my way to ask everyone I've met abroad who was into football if they've heard of George Best. Not one!
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Were you holidaying in Darkest Peru?
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I've been to a host of countries including France, Spain, Netherlands, Russia, Poland, Lithuania, Georgia and USA. I didn't ask anybody in USA as I was ten at the time and had other things on my mind as I watched the Olympics and went to Myrtle Beach aswell as frequenting a fast food joint for dinner every single day for the six weeks I was there, with the family I stayed with.
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i bet they all heard of stevie g though
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Absolutely everybody I spoke to about Gerrard had heard of him and thought he was a great player, yes.
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But then again, none of them had heard of George Best either.
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WHO WERE THESE PEOPEL?!?!?!
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I'm being deadly serious I went out of my way to ask everyone I've met abroad who was into football if they've heard of George Best. Not one!
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Were you holidaying in Darkest Peru?
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I've been to a host of countries including France, Spain, Netherlands, Russia, Poland, Lithuania, Georgia and USA. I didn't ask anybody in USA as I was ten at the time and had other things on my mind as I watched the Olympics and went to Myrtle Beach aswell as frequenting a fast food joint for dinner every single day for the six weeks I was there, with the family I stayed with.
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i bet they all heard of stevie g though
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Absolutely everybody I spoke to about Gerrard had heard of him and thought he was a great player, yes.
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off course they did
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I've been to a host of countries including France, Spain, Netherlands, Russia, Poland, Lithuania, Georgia and USA
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Are you seriously trying to tell us that you met no football fan from these countries who had heard of Paul Scholes? Seriously?
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I said his one great season, not his one good season...last season he was good, but slightly overrated.
And anyone who watched him play for England on the left and constantly drift all over the pitch would quibble with the positionally disciplined claim. As I said I think he can take some blame for often abandoning his midfield position to go goal hunting, leaving his team more exposed in the centre.
I think he is a very very good player, but ever so slightly overrated, and I'm with the people on here who favour Lampard, whose career stats are simply absurd. Gerrard filling in at right-back - and I don't know anyone who would claim he was a great right-back, simply that he could do it - is irrelevant.
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So because he was he occasionally out of position in his 16 years of playing and near circa 700 games, that makes him slightly overrated and lacking in positional discipline?
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No, because he was consistently out of position - last year he was nominally a holding/defensive midfielder in a team that shipped 50 goals, same this year - and because it is being argued by some on here that he is the PL's greatest midfielder/player, then that makes him overrated.
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Consistently out of position you say? This is getting silly now.
Just how many times during these 700 games was he out of position exactly?
How many times were goals we conceded directly down to Gerrard being out of position?
At his best in central midfield, he was a box to box player. Normally we had a defensive midfielder alongside him, whether that be Hamann, Mascherano, Alonso, Lucas. So let's say Gerrard was attacking further up the pitch and we lost the ball and then we'd concede. Is that Gerrard's fault? Is that him out of position?
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But then again, none of them had heard of George Best either.
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WHO WERE THESE PEOPEL?!?!?!
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I'm being deadly serious I went out of my way to ask everyone I've met abroad who was into football if they've heard of George Best. Not one!
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Were you holidaying in Darkest Peru?
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I've been to a host of countries including France, Spain, Netherlands, Russia, Poland, Lithuania, Georgia and USA. I didn't ask anybody in USA as I was ten at the time and had other things on my mind as I watched the Olympics and went to Myrtle Beach aswell as frequenting a fast food joint for dinner every single day for the six weeks I was there, with the family I stayed with.
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i bet they all heard of stevie g though
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Absolutely everybody I spoke to about Gerrard had heard of him and thought he was a great player, yes.
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off course they did
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Yes...yes they did. I'm not sure why that's funny. Maybe you're easily amused or a little bit special but that's for another debate.
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I've been to a host of countries including France, Spain, Netherlands, Russia, Poland, Lithuania, Georgia and USA
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Are you seriously trying to tell us that you met no football fan from these countries who had heard of Paul Scholes? Seriously?
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Correct. Well maybe not that they hadn't heard of him but he was never mentioned when they listed the best players playing in the UK or who had played in the UK. I specifically asked if they'd heard of Best and nobody had.
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Ok, tough question for you all. Will Gerrard be remembered as a PL great?
On ability, I'd say yes. But can you be classed as a great in a competition that you haven't won?
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I said his one great season, not his one good season...last season he was good, but slightly overrated.
And anyone who watched him play for England on the left and constantly drift all over the pitch would quibble with the positionally disciplined claim. As I said I think he can take some blame for often abandoning his midfield position to go goal hunting, leaving his team more exposed in the centre.
I think he is a very very good player, but ever so slightly overrated, and I'm with the people on here who favour Lampard, whose career stats are simply absurd. Gerrard filling in at right-back - and I don't know anyone who would claim he was a great right-back, simply that he could do it - is irrelevant.
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So because he was he occasionally out of position in his 16 years of playing and near circa 700 games, that makes him slightly overrated and lacking in positional discipline?
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No, because he was consistently out of position - last year he was nominally a holding/defensive midfielder in a team that shipped 50 goals, same this year - and because it is being argued by some on here that he is the PL's greatest midfielder/player, then that makes him overrated.
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Consistently out of position you say?This is getting silly now.
Just how many times during these 700 games was he out of position exactly?
How many times were goals we conceded directly down to Gerrard being out of position?
At his best in central midfield, he was a box to box player. Normally we had a defensive midfielder alongside him, whether that be Hamann, Mascherano, Alonso, Lucas. So let's say Gerrard was attacking further up the pitch and we lost the ball and then we'd concede. Is that Gerrard's fault? Is that him out of position?
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Exactly? He was out of position 487 times, ie 69.6% of his 700 games. Exactly.
Though this does illustrate one issue with these debates, you may well have seen Gerrard play live/on tv 300-400 times, ie 10 times the number of matches you have seen Scholes/Lampard in, so will naturally tend to rate him higher than the others.
But even Gerrard's staunchest fans will not list "positionally disciplined" as his greatest strength, sorry.
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Likewise basing their ability on individual honours is also meaningless
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Individual honours is based on individual performance.
Gerrard's performances reached the heights of the world best at his peak. Was just incredible and something you would normally see in superhero movies..
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I said his one great season, not his one good season...last season he was good, but slightly overrated.
And anyone who watched him play for England on the left and constantly drift all over the pitch would quibble with the positionally disciplined claim. As I said I think he can take some blame for often abandoning his midfield position to go goal hunting, leaving his team more exposed in the centre.
I think he is a very very good player, but ever so slightly overrated, and I'm with the people on here who favour Lampard, whose career stats are simply absurd. Gerrard filling in at right-back - and I don't know anyone who would claim he was a great right-back, simply that he could do it - is irrelevant.
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So because he was he occasionally out of position in his 16 years of playing and near circa 700 games, that makes him slightly overrated and lacking in positional discipline?
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No, because he was consistently out of position - last year he was nominally a holding/defensive midfielder in a team that shipped 50 goals, same this year - and because it is being argued by some on here that he is the PL's greatest midfielder/player, then that makes him overrated.
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Consistently out of position you say?This is getting silly now.
Just how many times during these 700 games was he out of position exactly?
How many times were goals we conceded directly down to Gerrard being out of position?
At his best in central midfield, he was a box to box player. Normally we had a defensive midfielder alongside him, whether that be Hamann, Mascherano, Alonso, Lucas. So let's say Gerrard was attacking further up the pitch and we lost the ball and then we'd concede. Is that Gerrard's fault? Is that him out of position?
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This is the kind of thing people who don't know much about football tactics don't understand. The same happened with Johnson throughout his career. He was required to be an attacking full back yet when he pushed up the pitch to attack and the attack broke down, if a goal was scored from our space on the right, Johnson was apparently out of position and at fault for the goal.
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Correct. Well maybe not that they hadn't heard of him but he was never mentioned when they listed the best players playing in the UK or who had played in the UK. I specifically asked if they'd heard of Best and nobody had.
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Sorry. Don't buy it. Particularly the Spain one, as pretty much every football fan I've met there seems to see Scholes as some sort of Demi-god.
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In 50 years someone will look at Gerrards wiki page and see 800 first class appearances, best part of 200 goals, a massive list of honours, loads of references from top fellow pro's and managers and a trophy list that includes literally every club cup competition possible. They'll probably go onto a highlights package and see some amazing shít.
I couldn't give two fúcks about what anyone else did - that's a stellar career and I wish him all the best after a career that he should be rightly very very proud of.
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I said his one great season, not his one good season...last season he was good, but slightly overrated.
And anyone who watched him play for England on the left and constantly drift all over the pitch would quibble with the positionally disciplined claim. As I said I think he can take some blame for often abandoning his midfield position to go goal hunting, leaving his team more exposed in the centre.
I think he is a very very good player, but ever so slightly overrated, and I'm with the people on here who favour Lampard, whose career stats are simply absurd. Gerrard filling in at right-back - and I don't know anyone who would claim he was a great right-back, simply that he could do it - is irrelevant.
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So because he was he occasionally out of position in his 16 years of playing and near circa 700 games, that makes him slightly overrated and lacking in positional discipline?
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No, because he was consistently out of position - last year he was nominally a holding/defensive midfielder in a team that shipped 50 goals, same this year - and because it is being argued by some on here that he is the PL's greatest midfielder/player, then that makes him overrated.
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Consistently out of position you say?This is getting silly now.
Just how many times during these 700 games was he out of position exactly?
How many times were goals we conceded directly down to Gerrard being out of position?
At his best in central midfield, he was a box to box player. Normally we had a defensive midfielder alongside him, whether that be Hamann, Mascherano, Alonso, Lucas. So let's say Gerrard was attacking further up the pitch and we lost the ball and then we'd concede. Is that Gerrard's fault? Is that him out of position?
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This is the kind of thing people who don't know much about football tactics don't understand. The same happened with Johnson throughout his career. He was required to be an attacking full back yet when he pushed up the pitch to attack and the attack broke down, if a goal was scored from our space on the right, Johnson was apparently out of position and at fault for the goal.
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Thanks for patronising me, though as a Liverpool fan you would be aware just how lowly rated Glen Johnson is by your fans, so the example is a curious one.
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Will Gerrard be remembered as a PL great?
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Yes. I think he has to be.
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But can you be classed as a great in a competition that you haven't won?
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I think it depends on circumstance. I'd still say you can, yes. If Gerrard had moved to Arsenal, Chelsea or United he'd have won many.
Shearer only won it once - he's certainly a great.
Zola? Klinsmann? Le Tissier? Carragher?
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comment by Elvis - Lonely This Christmas (U7425)
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Ok, tough question for you all. Will Gerrard be remembered as a PL great?
On ability, I'd say yes. But can you be classed as a great in a competition that you haven't won?
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I think he'll be remembered and get better recognition when he retires, like Scholes has but more so. I don't think winning a team competition will come into it as as an individual he was outstanding and has the individual awards from fellow professionals and professional football bodies to back that up.
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comment by Elvis - Lonely This Christmas (U7425)
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Ok, tough question for you all. Will Gerrard be remembered as a PL great?
On ability, I'd say yes. But can you be classed as a great in a competition that you haven't won?
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Good question.
I think so. He could have left. He could have won it as a result I would have thought so I think so. But I will!
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But then again, none of them had heard of George Best either.
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WHO WERE THESE PEOPEL?!?!?!
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I'm being deadly serious I went out of my way to ask everyone I've met abroad who was into football if they've heard of George Best. Not one!
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Were you holidaying in Darkest Peru?
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I've been to a host of countries including France, Spain, Netherlands, Russia, Poland, Lithuania, Georgia and USA. I didn't ask anybody in USA as I was ten at the time and had other things on my mind as I watched the Olympics and went to Myrtle Beach aswell as frequenting a fast food joint for dinner every single day for the six weeks I was there, with the family I stayed with.
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i bet they all heard of stevie g though
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Absolutely everybody I spoke to about Gerrard had heard of him and thought he was a great player, yes.
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off course they did
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Yes...yes they did. I'm not sure why that's funny. Maybe you're easily amused or a little bit special but that's for another debate.
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whats amusing is the thaughts of a stevie g fan boy supposedly traveling around the world quizzing everyone he meets if they know stevie g.
now thats special
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comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 1 minute ago
Correct. Well maybe not that they hadn't heard of him but he was never mentioned when they listed the best players playing in the UK or who had played in the UK. I specifically asked if they'd heard of Best and nobody had.
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Sorry. Don't buy it. Particularly the Spain one, as pretty much every football fan I've met there seems to see Scholes as some sort of Demi-god.
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Really? Never heard of it. What did they tell you about him which made it seem like they thought of him as a Demi-God?
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On ability, I'd say yes. But can you be classed as a great in a competition that you haven't won?
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Teams win trophies. Gerrard is obviously a great.
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comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
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Correct. Well maybe not that they hadn't heard of him but he was never mentioned when they listed the best players playing in the UK or who had played in the UK. I specifically asked if they'd heard of Best and nobody had.
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Sorry. Don't buy it. Particularly the Spain one, as pretty much every football fan I've met there seems to see Scholes as some sort of Demi-god.
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That is my experience too. When I was travelling South America everyone held him in high regard too, and that included, Chile, Peru & Ecuador!
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I asked every football fan I've met abroad if they've won the same amount of PL titles as Steven Gerrard.
They all said yes
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On ability, I'd say yes. But can you be classed as a great in a competition that you haven't won?
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Of course you can. There are a number of great players who never won the league (not just Premier League but the old Division 1).
Paul Gascoigne - one of England most talented players
Gary Lineker - One of England's greatest goalscorers
Bobby Moore- one of England's greatest ever defenders and World Cup winner.
Gordon Banks- considered by some as one of the of the greatest goalkeepers in football.
Jimmy Greaves - considered one of England's greatest strikers
To say any of these players aren't great because they didn't win the league is absurd.
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But then again, none of them had heard of George Best either.
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WHO WERE THESE PEOPEL?!?!?!
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I'm being deadly serious I went out of my way to ask everyone I've met abroad who was into football if they've heard of George Best. Not one!
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Were you holidaying in Darkest Peru?
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I've been to a host of countries including France, Spain, Netherlands, Russia, Poland, Lithuania, Georgia and USA. I didn't ask anybody in USA as I was ten at the time and had other things on my mind as I watched the Olympics and went to Myrtle Beach aswell as frequenting a fast food joint for dinner every single day for the six weeks I was there, with the family I stayed with.
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i bet they all heard of stevie g though
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Absolutely everybody I spoke to about Gerrard had heard of him and thought he was a great player, yes.
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off course they did
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Yes...yes they did. I'm not sure why that's funny. Maybe you're easily amused or a little bit special but that's for another debate.
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whats amusing is the thaughts of a stevie g fan boy supposedly traveling around the world quizzing everyone he meets if they know stevie g.
now thats special
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Yes, that's what I did. It's really strange how you make scenarios up and laugh at them. You're the only one laughing, at your own scenarios. Quite a strange fella.
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