comment by {honestlivpool~five~times} 👽 🐎 #worldpeace (U1661)
posted 43 seconds ago
Crap players and managers can win awards relative to their level too...
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No the can't. If they perform to a very high standard, then obviously they're not crap and could be recognised.
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Tony Pulis won last year's manager of the year award - he won it for keeping Palace up. He's an average manager, yet won the award over Pellegrini and Rodgers who both had better overall seasons.
Fúck being one the PL's greatest midfielders - he's one of the greatest PL players.
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Cannot disagree with that. Take everything in to account, longevity, skill, desire, trophies & he's certainly made his mark on the PL - and he should have few regrets.
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posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FatJanMolby *I'm a boogie monster* (U4297)
posted 2 minutes ago
Nice to see Gerrard get some appreciation from other fans. There's been some real bile written about him from some opposing fans since the announcement.
In terms of all round midfielders Gerrard is probably the very best. He can do pretty much everything - pass, tackle, shoot, can play as a defensive holding midfielders, an attacking midfielder, right sided, even left sided, behind the striker, he's played at right back. He could probably pay as a centreback if need be. On that basis he's above Scholes for me. Scholes was brilliant footballer, he dictated the game from the middle and his passing was superb, but he didn't have the versatility of Gerrard.
The biggest mistake England managers made was
not building the England team around a central partnership of Scholes and Gerrard.
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How does his playing at right-back cement his position as a great midfielder? It shows his versatility as a player, but not his quality as a midfielder.
Nor does his ability to get around the pitch suggest that England's greatest failing was not having him as a permanent part of a midfield two...where he would have had to be much more positionally disciplined.
Fact is his one truly great season was 2009, when he mainly played off Torres as an unconventional number 10...but was he better than Bergkamp there, or Ronaldo, or Zola? Was he even playing as a "midfielder" that year?
Also of minor note that his two defining games - Milan and West Ham - were both games in which Liverpool shipped 3 goals...Gerrard was arguably a great midfielder at digging his side out of a hole, arguably not so great at preventing them getting into that hole in the first place.
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You're being a bit of a pedant.
The examples of him playing as a right back was used to exemplify how versatile he was, that he was a complete footballer and obviously not to show how good a midfielder he was, more so what a good foot
baller he was. The fact that he did play well in every position in midfield is what makes him the complete midfielders. There's aren't many other midfielders who can do that. Keane was brilliant in many ways but he wasn't a goal scorer. He couldn't have played on the right wing either. Scholes was brilliant in many ways but the defensive side of his game wasn't good. Gerrard could do it all.
When he was given a role he stuck to it with discipline so I'm not sure what your point is when you try to suggest he has no positional discipline. When he was played on the right, you would find him on the right. he wouldn't just wander to the left back position. When playing defensive he would stick to be defensive. When asked to play as an attacking midfielder he did just that. When we needed him to be the marauding box to box midfielder he also did that.
I'm sorry, but if you think he was only ever good in 2009 then you either don't watch much football, or you're a wum who's after a bite.
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I said his one great season, not his one good season...last season he was good, but slightly overrated.
And anyone who watched him play for England on the left and constantly drift all over the pitch would quibble with the positionally disciplined claim. As I said I think he can take some blame for often abandoning his midfield position to go goal hunting, leaving his team more exposed in the centre.
I think he is a very very good player, but ever so slightly overrated, and I'm with the people on here who favour Lampard, whose career stats are simply absurd. Gerrard filling in at right-back - and I don't know anyone who would claim he was a great right-back, simply that he could do it - is irrelevant.
Pulis is far from average whether people rate his style or not.
comment by 🔥💩He's French, He's Flash... I... (U9335)
posted 1 minute ago
There's isn't a fan of European football in the world today above the age of 20 who doesn't know about Paul Scholes. Same as Gerrard. Same as Lampard.
To say otherwise simply isn't true.
Scholes has controlled games against Barcelona, Bayern Munich and AC Milan in their pomp. Thus i'd expect at least the fans of those clubs to be aware of him.
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I'm sorry but whilst I agree with most of your comments on this article I know this to be factually wrong as I've experienced it myself. Scholes has never been mentioned to me.
TOOR,
I just don't get how any fan of football over the last 15 years can't at least be aware of Paul Scholes...
It's not like he's an ambiguous player playing at a low level club - like Le Tissier.
He was a key component in CL challenging United squads for nearly 2 decades!
comment by Jayngle Bells. (U16498)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by {honestlivpool~five~times} 👽 🐎 #worldpeace (U1661)
posted 43 seconds ago
Crap players and managers can win awards relative to their level too...
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No the can't. If they perform to a very high standard, then obviously they're not crap and could be recognised.
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Tony Pulis won last year's manager of the year award - he won it for keeping Palace up. He's an average manager, yet won the award over Pellegrini and Rodgers who both had better overall seasons.
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Pulis won it because he did wonders with Palace. They were really bad and certain to go down when he took over. Turned Palace around.
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comment by Robbing_Hoody -Escape goating pre-madonnas so that profits put me in folk law pacifically to show what an shambles Christmas is as it's not rocket sconce cos I'm a massive pendant. (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
Pulis is far from average whether people rate his style or not.
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is he any better than Moyes, Hughes, Bruce, Pardew or Redknapp? They're all 'good' managers, but pretty much bang average in the PL. Pulis has a specialty - keeping teams from being relegated.
His style doesn't bother me - you do what you need to do to survive and he did turn around Palace in to something resembling a team. However, Rodgers took Liverpool to second, and Pellegrini won the league - both of which are better achievements, IMO
comment by 🔥💩He's French, He's Flash... I... (U9335)
posted 48 seconds ago
TOOR,
I just don't get how any fan of football over the last 15 years can't at least be aware of Paul Scholes...
It's not like he's an ambiguous player playing at a low level club - like Le Tissier.
He was a key component in CL challenging United squads for nearly 2 decades!
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I'm guessing they must have been aware of him but just didn't feel he was worth mentioning alongside the others they thought were the best.
But then again, none of them had heard of George Best either.
Jayngle Bells. (U16498)
I take your point but he's never been relegated and him keeping Palace up, from the position that they were in and with that squad, was some of the best management I've seen in some ways.
I just don't get how any fan of football over the last 15 years can't at least be aware of Paul Scholes...
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This - it's like not being aware of Pirlo, or Xavi, or Alonso - if you proclaim to be a fan of football, you know those players.
comment by Robbing_Hoody -Escape goating pre-madonnas so that profits put me in folk law pacifically to show what an shambles Christmas is as it's not rocket sconce cos I'm a massive pendant. (U6374)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 1 minute ago
How does his playing at right-back cement his position as a great midfielder? It shows his versatility as a player, but not his quality as a midfielder.
Nor does his ability to get around the pitch suggest that England's greatest failing was not having him as a permanent part of a midfield two...where he would have had to be much more positionally disciplined.
Fact is his one truly great season was 2009, when he mainly played off Torres as an unconventional number 10...but was he better than Bergkamp there, or Ronaldo, or Zola? Was he even playing as a "midfielder" that year?
Also of minor note that his two defining games - Milan and West Ham - were both games in which Liverpool shipped 3 goals...Gerrard was arguably a great midfielder at digging his side out of a hole, arguably not so great at preventing them getting into that hole in the first place.
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Really? I mean REALLY?
I said this earlier but I stand by it. Fúck being one the PL's greatest midfielders - he's one of the greatest PL players.
He's been in the team of the year more than anyone else, 8 out of his 16 seasons, has nearly 500 appearances and well over 100 goals. Trophies, personal accolades and citation from fellow professionals around the world. Class act in this Premier League and a stand out player.
Just as a footnote the 2009 comment is laughable it really is.
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Yeah, really.
I don't care about the team of the year guff, that tends to be as much a popularity contest, whether it is voted for by fans or by a "PL panel"...without even bothering to look up the stats I would bet heavily that Liverpool players have in general over the past 15-20 years been overrepresented in such things relative to their league position.
If you're going on trophies you lose every argument to Keane/Giggs/Scholes/Viera/Lampard.
If you're going on goals note that Lampard has over 50% more PL goals than Gerrard...over 50%!
And, again, I referred to his one "truly great" season, not his one great season, nor his one good season, but truly great.
comment by Jayngle Bells. (U16498)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Robbing_Hoody -Escape goating pre-madonnas so that profits put me in folk law pacifically to show what an shambles Christmas is as it's not rocket sconce cos I'm a massive pendant. (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
Pulis is far from average whether people rate his style or not.
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is he any better than Moyes, Hughes, Bruce, Pardew or Redknapp? They're all 'good' managers, but pretty much bang average in the PL. Pulis has a specialty - keeping teams from being relegated.
His style doesn't bother me - you do what you need to do to survive and he did turn around Palace in to something resembling a team. However, Rodgers took Liverpool to second, and Pellegrini won the league - both of which are better achievements, IMO
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He was deemed so that year, alongside Rodgers who won the other award which is fair enough considering how good he was that year. Gerrard was deemed so eight years, which is half his career and nominated on other occasions also, including last year. It's not really comparable.
if you are basing a players ability on how well they are, or were, known around the world well theres not many beat Beckham
comment by Robbing_Hoody -Escape goating pre-madonnas so that profits put me in folk law pacifically to show what an shambles Christmas is as it's not rocket sconce cos I'm a massive pendant. (U6374)
posted 37 seconds ago
Jayngle Bells. (U16498)
I take your point but he's never been relegated and him keeping Palace up, from the position that they were in and with that squad, was some of the best management I've seen in some ways.
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Fair point. It wasn't intended as a slight to Pulis, by the way. It was more to illustrate how sometimes an inferior person can win an award, going back to the point about individual honours being the yard stick.
Scholes has controlled games against Barcelona
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Which one? Scholes never controlled the game against Barcelona at the peak. Xavi was always dominant.
When United won at Old Trafford in 08, Barcelona dominated the game. Very good strike by Scholes and good defending won it for United.
But then again, none of them had heard of George Best either.
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WHO WERE THESE PEOPEL?!?!?!
I don't care about the team of the year guff, that tends to be as much a popularity contest, whether it is voted for by fans or by a "PL panel"...
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Aint that the truth. It's on par with Garth 'who scored this week' Crooks.
Look how upset you've made me TOOR, I've forgotten how to spell 'people.'
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posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Robbing_Hoody -Escape goating pre-madonnas so that profits put me in folk law pacifically to show what an shambles Christmas is as it's not rocket sconce cos I'm a massive pendant. (U6374)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 1 minute ago
How does his playing at right-back cement his position as a great midfielder? It shows his versatility as a player, but not his quality as a midfielder.
Nor does his ability to get around the pitch suggest that England's greatest failing was not having him as a permanent part of a midfield two...where he would have had to be much more positionally disciplined.
Fact is his one truly great season was 2009, when he mainly played off Torres as an unconventional number 10...but was he better than Bergkamp there, or Ronaldo, or Zola? Was he even playing as a "midfielder" that year?
Also of minor note that his two defining games - Milan and West Ham - were both games in which Liverpool shipped 3 goals...Gerrard was arguably a great midfielder at digging his side out of a hole, arguably not so great at preventing them getting into that hole in the first place.
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Really? I mean REALLY?
I said this earlier but I stand by it. Fúck being one the PL's greatest midfielders - he's one of the greatest PL players.
He's been in the team of the year more than anyone else, 8 out of his 16 seasons, has nearly 500 appearances and well over 100 goals. Trophies, personal accolades and citation from fellow professionals around the world. Class act in this Premier League and a stand out player.
Just as a footnote the 2009 comment is laughable it really is.
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Yeah, really.
I don't care about the team of the year guff, that tends to be as much a popularity contest, whether it is voted for by fans or by a "PL panel"...without even bothering to look up the stats I would bet heavily that Liverpool players have in general over the past 15-20 years been overrepresented in such things relative to their league position.
If you're going on trophies you lose every argument to Keane/Giggs/Scholes/Viera/Lampard.
If you're going on goals note that Lampard has over 50% more PL goals than Gerrard...over 50%!
And, again, I referred to his one "truly great" season, not his one great season, nor his one good season, but truly great.
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But that's you making the mistake of placing an individual into a category which the team were awarded for. United fans do this a lot. It's my uncle's Goto get out clause when comparing United players to Liverpool ones. Who has the most trophies?
Also choosing only goals for a midfielder is senseless.
comment by {honestlivpool~five~times} 👽 🐎 #worldpeace (U1661)
posted 1 minute ago
Scholes has controlled games against Barcelona
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Which one? Scholes never controlled the game against Barcelona at the peak. Xavi was always dominant.
When United won at Old Trafford in 08, Barcelona dominated the game. Very good strike by Scholes and good defending won it for United.
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Cool story.
comment by 🔥💩He's French, He's Flash... I... (U9335)
posted 1 minute ago
But then again, none of them had heard of George Best either.
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WHO WERE THESE PEOPEL?!?!?!
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I'm being deadly serious I went out of my way to ask everyone I've met abroad who was into football if they've heard of George Best. Not one!
comment by 🔥💩He's French, He's Flash... I'm sorreh teh say it's Moyseh... (U9335)
posted 11 minutes ago
There's isn't a fan of European football in the world today above the age of 20 who doesn't know about Paul Scholes. Same as Gerrard. Same as Lampard.
To say otherwise simply isn't true.
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I'd say it's moronic or simply wumming.
Trophies are not the be all and end all, but for the most part better players will win more trophies. There are clearly exceptions to this.See Traore and Le Tissier.
Team of the Year or whatever should only be mentioned in the same breath as World's Most Popular player...
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posted on 2/1/15
comment by {honestlivpool~five~times} 👽 🐎 #worldpeace (U1661)
posted 43 seconds ago
Crap players and managers can win awards relative to their level too...
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No the can't. If they perform to a very high standard, then obviously they're not crap and could be recognised.
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Tony Pulis won last year's manager of the year award - he won it for keeping Palace up. He's an average manager, yet won the award over Pellegrini and Rodgers who both had better overall seasons.
posted on 2/1/15
Fúck being one the PL's greatest midfielders - he's one of the greatest PL players.
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Cannot disagree with that. Take everything in to account, longevity, skill, desire, trophies & he's certainly made his mark on the PL - and he should have few regrets.
posted on 2/1/15
comment by FatJanMolby *I'm a boogie monster* (U4297)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FatJanMolby *I'm a boogie monster* (U4297)
posted 2 minutes ago
Nice to see Gerrard get some appreciation from other fans. There's been some real bile written about him from some opposing fans since the announcement.
In terms of all round midfielders Gerrard is probably the very best. He can do pretty much everything - pass, tackle, shoot, can play as a defensive holding midfielders, an attacking midfielder, right sided, even left sided, behind the striker, he's played at right back. He could probably pay as a centreback if need be. On that basis he's above Scholes for me. Scholes was brilliant footballer, he dictated the game from the middle and his passing was superb, but he didn't have the versatility of Gerrard.
The biggest mistake England managers made was
not building the England team around a central partnership of Scholes and Gerrard.
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How does his playing at right-back cement his position as a great midfielder? It shows his versatility as a player, but not his quality as a midfielder.
Nor does his ability to get around the pitch suggest that England's greatest failing was not having him as a permanent part of a midfield two...where he would have had to be much more positionally disciplined.
Fact is his one truly great season was 2009, when he mainly played off Torres as an unconventional number 10...but was he better than Bergkamp there, or Ronaldo, or Zola? Was he even playing as a "midfielder" that year?
Also of minor note that his two defining games - Milan and West Ham - were both games in which Liverpool shipped 3 goals...Gerrard was arguably a great midfielder at digging his side out of a hole, arguably not so great at preventing them getting into that hole in the first place.
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You're being a bit of a pedant.
The examples of him playing as a right back was used to exemplify how versatile he was, that he was a complete footballer and obviously not to show how good a midfielder he was, more so what a good foot
baller he was. The fact that he did play well in every position in midfield is what makes him the complete midfielders. There's aren't many other midfielders who can do that. Keane was brilliant in many ways but he wasn't a goal scorer. He couldn't have played on the right wing either. Scholes was brilliant in many ways but the defensive side of his game wasn't good. Gerrard could do it all.
When he was given a role he stuck to it with discipline so I'm not sure what your point is when you try to suggest he has no positional discipline. When he was played on the right, you would find him on the right. he wouldn't just wander to the left back position. When playing defensive he would stick to be defensive. When asked to play as an attacking midfielder he did just that. When we needed him to be the marauding box to box midfielder he also did that.
I'm sorry, but if you think he was only ever good in 2009 then you either don't watch much football, or you're a wum who's after a bite.
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I said his one great season, not his one good season...last season he was good, but slightly overrated.
And anyone who watched him play for England on the left and constantly drift all over the pitch would quibble with the positionally disciplined claim. As I said I think he can take some blame for often abandoning his midfield position to go goal hunting, leaving his team more exposed in the centre.
I think he is a very very good player, but ever so slightly overrated, and I'm with the people on here who favour Lampard, whose career stats are simply absurd. Gerrard filling in at right-back - and I don't know anyone who would claim he was a great right-back, simply that he could do it - is irrelevant.
posted on 2/1/15
Pulis is far from average whether people rate his style or not.
posted on 2/1/15
comment by 🔥💩He's French, He's Flash... I... (U9335)
posted 1 minute ago
There's isn't a fan of European football in the world today above the age of 20 who doesn't know about Paul Scholes. Same as Gerrard. Same as Lampard.
To say otherwise simply isn't true.
Scholes has controlled games against Barcelona, Bayern Munich and AC Milan in their pomp. Thus i'd expect at least the fans of those clubs to be aware of him.
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I'm sorry but whilst I agree with most of your comments on this article I know this to be factually wrong as I've experienced it myself. Scholes has never been mentioned to me.
posted on 2/1/15
TOOR,
I just don't get how any fan of football over the last 15 years can't at least be aware of Paul Scholes...
It's not like he's an ambiguous player playing at a low level club - like Le Tissier.
He was a key component in CL challenging United squads for nearly 2 decades!
posted on 2/1/15
comment by Jayngle Bells. (U16498)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by {honestlivpool~five~times} 👽 🐎 #worldpeace (U1661)
posted 43 seconds ago
Crap players and managers can win awards relative to their level too...
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No the can't. If they perform to a very high standard, then obviously they're not crap and could be recognised.
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Tony Pulis won last year's manager of the year award - he won it for keeping Palace up. He's an average manager, yet won the award over Pellegrini and Rodgers who both had better overall seasons.
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Pulis won it because he did wonders with Palace. They were really bad and certain to go down when he took over. Turned Palace around.
posted on 2/1/15
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posted on 2/1/15
comment by Robbing_Hoody -Escape goating pre-madonnas so that profits put me in folk law pacifically to show what an shambles Christmas is as it's not rocket sconce cos I'm a massive pendant. (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
Pulis is far from average whether people rate his style or not.
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is he any better than Moyes, Hughes, Bruce, Pardew or Redknapp? They're all 'good' managers, but pretty much bang average in the PL. Pulis has a specialty - keeping teams from being relegated.
His style doesn't bother me - you do what you need to do to survive and he did turn around Palace in to something resembling a team. However, Rodgers took Liverpool to second, and Pellegrini won the league - both of which are better achievements, IMO
posted on 2/1/15
comment by 🔥💩He's French, He's Flash... I... (U9335)
posted 48 seconds ago
TOOR,
I just don't get how any fan of football over the last 15 years can't at least be aware of Paul Scholes...
It's not like he's an ambiguous player playing at a low level club - like Le Tissier.
He was a key component in CL challenging United squads for nearly 2 decades!
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I'm guessing they must have been aware of him but just didn't feel he was worth mentioning alongside the others they thought were the best.
But then again, none of them had heard of George Best either.
posted on 2/1/15
Jayngle Bells. (U16498)
I take your point but he's never been relegated and him keeping Palace up, from the position that they were in and with that squad, was some of the best management I've seen in some ways.
posted on 2/1/15
I just don't get how any fan of football over the last 15 years can't at least be aware of Paul Scholes...
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This - it's like not being aware of Pirlo, or Xavi, or Alonso - if you proclaim to be a fan of football, you know those players.
posted on 2/1/15
comment by Robbing_Hoody -Escape goating pre-madonnas so that profits put me in folk law pacifically to show what an shambles Christmas is as it's not rocket sconce cos I'm a massive pendant. (U6374)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 1 minute ago
How does his playing at right-back cement his position as a great midfielder? It shows his versatility as a player, but not his quality as a midfielder.
Nor does his ability to get around the pitch suggest that England's greatest failing was not having him as a permanent part of a midfield two...where he would have had to be much more positionally disciplined.
Fact is his one truly great season was 2009, when he mainly played off Torres as an unconventional number 10...but was he better than Bergkamp there, or Ronaldo, or Zola? Was he even playing as a "midfielder" that year?
Also of minor note that his two defining games - Milan and West Ham - were both games in which Liverpool shipped 3 goals...Gerrard was arguably a great midfielder at digging his side out of a hole, arguably not so great at preventing them getting into that hole in the first place.
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Really? I mean REALLY?
I said this earlier but I stand by it. Fúck being one the PL's greatest midfielders - he's one of the greatest PL players.
He's been in the team of the year more than anyone else, 8 out of his 16 seasons, has nearly 500 appearances and well over 100 goals. Trophies, personal accolades and citation from fellow professionals around the world. Class act in this Premier League and a stand out player.
Just as a footnote the 2009 comment is laughable it really is.
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Yeah, really.
I don't care about the team of the year guff, that tends to be as much a popularity contest, whether it is voted for by fans or by a "PL panel"...without even bothering to look up the stats I would bet heavily that Liverpool players have in general over the past 15-20 years been overrepresented in such things relative to their league position.
If you're going on trophies you lose every argument to Keane/Giggs/Scholes/Viera/Lampard.
If you're going on goals note that Lampard has over 50% more PL goals than Gerrard...over 50%!
And, again, I referred to his one "truly great" season, not his one great season, nor his one good season, but truly great.
posted on 2/1/15
comment by Jayngle Bells. (U16498)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Robbing_Hoody -Escape goating pre-madonnas so that profits put me in folk law pacifically to show what an shambles Christmas is as it's not rocket sconce cos I'm a massive pendant. (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
Pulis is far from average whether people rate his style or not.
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is he any better than Moyes, Hughes, Bruce, Pardew or Redknapp? They're all 'good' managers, but pretty much bang average in the PL. Pulis has a specialty - keeping teams from being relegated.
His style doesn't bother me - you do what you need to do to survive and he did turn around Palace in to something resembling a team. However, Rodgers took Liverpool to second, and Pellegrini won the league - both of which are better achievements, IMO
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He was deemed so that year, alongside Rodgers who won the other award which is fair enough considering how good he was that year. Gerrard was deemed so eight years, which is half his career and nominated on other occasions also, including last year. It's not really comparable.
posted on 2/1/15
if you are basing a players ability on how well they are, or were, known around the world well theres not many beat Beckham
posted on 2/1/15
comment by Robbing_Hoody -Escape goating pre-madonnas so that profits put me in folk law pacifically to show what an shambles Christmas is as it's not rocket sconce cos I'm a massive pendant. (U6374)
posted 37 seconds ago
Jayngle Bells. (U16498)
I take your point but he's never been relegated and him keeping Palace up, from the position that they were in and with that squad, was some of the best management I've seen in some ways.
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Fair point. It wasn't intended as a slight to Pulis, by the way. It was more to illustrate how sometimes an inferior person can win an award, going back to the point about individual honours being the yard stick.
posted on 2/1/15
Scholes has controlled games against Barcelona
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Which one? Scholes never controlled the game against Barcelona at the peak. Xavi was always dominant.
When United won at Old Trafford in 08, Barcelona dominated the game. Very good strike by Scholes and good defending won it for United.
posted on 2/1/15
But then again, none of them had heard of George Best either.
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WHO WERE THESE PEOPEL?!?!?!
posted on 2/1/15
I don't care about the team of the year guff, that tends to be as much a popularity contest, whether it is voted for by fans or by a "PL panel"...
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Aint that the truth. It's on par with Garth 'who scored this week' Crooks.
posted on 2/1/15
Look how upset you've made me TOOR, I've forgotten how to spell 'people.'
posted on 2/1/15
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Robbing_Hoody -Escape goating pre-madonnas so that profits put me in folk law pacifically to show what an shambles Christmas is as it's not rocket sconce cos I'm a massive pendant. (U6374)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 1 minute ago
How does his playing at right-back cement his position as a great midfielder? It shows his versatility as a player, but not his quality as a midfielder.
Nor does his ability to get around the pitch suggest that England's greatest failing was not having him as a permanent part of a midfield two...where he would have had to be much more positionally disciplined.
Fact is his one truly great season was 2009, when he mainly played off Torres as an unconventional number 10...but was he better than Bergkamp there, or Ronaldo, or Zola? Was he even playing as a "midfielder" that year?
Also of minor note that his two defining games - Milan and West Ham - were both games in which Liverpool shipped 3 goals...Gerrard was arguably a great midfielder at digging his side out of a hole, arguably not so great at preventing them getting into that hole in the first place.
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Really? I mean REALLY?
I said this earlier but I stand by it. Fúck being one the PL's greatest midfielders - he's one of the greatest PL players.
He's been in the team of the year more than anyone else, 8 out of his 16 seasons, has nearly 500 appearances and well over 100 goals. Trophies, personal accolades and citation from fellow professionals around the world. Class act in this Premier League and a stand out player.
Just as a footnote the 2009 comment is laughable it really is.
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Yeah, really.
I don't care about the team of the year guff, that tends to be as much a popularity contest, whether it is voted for by fans or by a "PL panel"...without even bothering to look up the stats I would bet heavily that Liverpool players have in general over the past 15-20 years been overrepresented in such things relative to their league position.
If you're going on trophies you lose every argument to Keane/Giggs/Scholes/Viera/Lampard.
If you're going on goals note that Lampard has over 50% more PL goals than Gerrard...over 50%!
And, again, I referred to his one "truly great" season, not his one great season, nor his one good season, but truly great.
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But that's you making the mistake of placing an individual into a category which the team were awarded for. United fans do this a lot. It's my uncle's Goto get out clause when comparing United players to Liverpool ones. Who has the most trophies?
Also choosing only goals for a midfielder is senseless.
posted on 2/1/15
comment by {honestlivpool~five~times} 👽 🐎 #worldpeace (U1661)
posted 1 minute ago
Scholes has controlled games against Barcelona
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Which one? Scholes never controlled the game against Barcelona at the peak. Xavi was always dominant.
When United won at Old Trafford in 08, Barcelona dominated the game. Very good strike by Scholes and good defending won it for United.
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Cool story.
posted on 2/1/15
comment by 🔥💩He's French, He's Flash... I... (U9335)
posted 1 minute ago
But then again, none of them had heard of George Best either.
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WHO WERE THESE PEOPEL?!?!?!
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I'm being deadly serious I went out of my way to ask everyone I've met abroad who was into football if they've heard of George Best. Not one!
posted on 2/1/15
comment by 🔥💩He's French, He's Flash... I'm sorreh teh say it's Moyseh... (U9335)
posted 11 minutes ago
There's isn't a fan of European football in the world today above the age of 20 who doesn't know about Paul Scholes. Same as Gerrard. Same as Lampard.
To say otherwise simply isn't true.
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I'd say it's moronic or simply wumming.
posted on 2/1/15
Trophies are not the be all and end all, but for the most part better players will win more trophies. There are clearly exceptions to this.See Traore and Le Tissier.
Team of the Year or whatever should only be mentioned in the same breath as World's Most Popular player...
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