comment by Elvis - Lonely This Christmas (U7425)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by {honestlivpool~five~times} 👽 🐎 #worldpeace (U1661)
posted 1 minute ago
Scholes was one of the standout players in a series of phenomenal team
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Stand out players are usually recognised through individual honours. If don't get those then it means there are better players out there.
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No, it just means there are more popular or higher profile players out there.
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Yet the likes of Xavi/Iniesta win individual honours during Messi/Ronaldo era.
I consider the logic total nonsense. Suarez wasn't popular either. Stamd out players are ALWAYS recognised.

Prince of Asturias Award

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What the hell is this?

comment by {honestlivpool~five~times} 👽 🐎 #worldpeace (U1661)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 3 minutes ago
How about you show us xavi and Iniesta personal honours. i'm sure they have a lot as well. Is Gerrard better than them? Get out of here.
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Xavi

Individual
World Soccer Player of the Year: 2010
Euro 2008 Player of the Tournament: 2008
UEFA Best Player in Europe Award Second place: 2011
FIFA Ballon d'Or Third place: 2010, 2011
Ballon d'Or Bronze Award: 2009
FIFA World Player of the Year Third place: 2009
Onze de Bronze: 2011
UEFA Champions League Final Man of the Match: 2009
UEFA Club Midfielder of the Year: 2008–09
IFFHS World's Best Playmaker: 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011
La Liga Breakthrough Player of the Year: 1999
La Liga Spanish Player of the Year: 2005
La Liga Player of the Year: 2nd place 2010, 3rd place 2011
La Liga Midfielder of the Year: 2009, 2010, 2011.
FIFA World Cup Dream Team: 2010[62]
Euro Team of the Tournament: 2008, 2012
FIFA/FIFPro World XI: 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013
UEFA Team of the Year: 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012
ESM Team of the Year: 2008–09, 2010–11, 2011–12
FIFA Club World Cup Silver Ball: 2011
FIFA Club World Cup Bronze Ball: 2009
Decorations
Spanish Sportsman of the Year: 2009
Gold Medal of the Royal Order of Sporting Merit: 2010[63]
Prince of Asturias Award for Sports: 2010,[64] 2012[65]

Iniesta

Individual
UEFA Best Player in Europe Award: 2012
Euro 2012 Player of the Tournament: 2012
UEFA Champions League Best Player: 2011–12
FIFA Ballon d'Or: 2nd place 2010, 4th Place 2011, 3rd Place 2012
Onze de Bronze: 2009
La Liga Spanish Player of the Year: 2009
Trofeo Alfredo di Stéfano: 2nd best player in La Liga 2008–09, 3rd in 2011–12
IFFHS World's Best Playmaker: 2012, 2013
La Liga's Best Attacking Midfielder: 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014.
Marca Legend Award: 2011
FIFA Confederations Cup Silver Ball: 2013
FIFA Puskás Award: 2nd place 2009
FIFA World Cup Dream Team: 2010[84]
2010 FIFA World Cup Man Of The Match vs. Chile, Paraguay and Final vs Netherlands
UEFA Euro Team of the Tournament: 2008, 2012
UEFA Euro 2008 Man Of The Match Semi-final vs. Russia
UEFA Euro 2012 Man Of The Match vs. Italy, Croatia, Final vs Italy
FIFA/FIFPro World XI: 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013
UEFA Team of the Year: 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012
ESM Team of the Year: 2010–11
Golden Foot: 2014[85]
Decorations
Prince of Asturias Awards: 2010
Gold Medal of the Royal Order of Sporting Merit: 2011[86]
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You are really clutching at straws with some of these awards. Motm at a semi final?!?! 30% of those awards are being part of the best team as well, which during those tournaments had most if not all of the Spanish starting 11.

comment by Jayngle Bells. (U16498)
posted 2 minutes ago
When I go to other countries not many people even know Scholes. Everybody knows Gerrard.

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Now you're just making shít up.

Also, TOOR, you can find quotes like that abvout any player - I just Googled 'Scholes Quotes' and found this

http://cdn1.images.videobash.com/photos/000/076/511/76511.jpg
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Honestly nobody knows Scholes outside of the UK. Gerrard has always been a worldwide household name like other world class players.

Stamd out players are ALWAYS recognised.

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Can't disagree with that - it puts Gerrard's Liverpool Top Scorer awards in to perspective

comment by FatJanMolby *I'm a boogie monster* (U4297)
posted 1 minute ago
Prince of Asturias Award

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What the hell is this?
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Seems legit

comment by FatJanMolby *I'm a boogie monster* (U4297)
posted 2 minutes ago
Nice to see Gerrard get some appreciation from other fans. There's been some real bile written about him from some opposing fans since the announcement.

In terms of all round midfielders Gerrard is probably the very best. He can do pretty much everything - pass, tackle, shoot, can play as a defensive holding midfielders, an attacking midfielder, right sided, even left sided, behind the striker, he's played at right back. He could probably pay as a centreback if need be. On that basis he's above Scholes for me. Scholes was brilliant footballer, he dictated the game from the middle and his passing was superb, but he didn't have the versatility of Gerrard.

The biggest mistake England managers made was
not building the England team around a central partnership of Scholes and Gerrard.
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How does his playing at right-back cement his position as a great midfielder? It shows his versatility as a player, but not his quality as a midfielder.

Nor does his ability to get around the pitch suggest that England's greatest failing was not having him as a permanent part of a midfield two...where he would have had to be much more positionally disciplined.

Fact is his one truly great season was 2009, when he mainly played off Torres as an unconventional number 10...but was he better than Bergkamp there, or Ronaldo, or Zola? Was he even playing as a "midfielder" that year?

Also of minor note that his two defining games - Milan and West Ham - were both games in which Liverpool shipped 3 goals...Gerrard was arguably a great midfielder at digging his side out of a hole, arguably not so great at preventing them getting into that hole in the first place.

Always rated lampard above him and always will. If he did what he did any liverpool or United he will be worshipped as a god and rightly so. Ours and liverpools fan base (who permiate the media with their bias) tend to overrate players from those clubs. This is going to be blaphemous coming from a united fan but he should top that list easily! Almost 200 goals AND still producing well in his 30s. Strikers are more respected for much less (see rooney) let alone a midfielder with all honours any club player can imagine. No contest really if anyone is honest here

Honestly nobody knows Scholes outside of the UK.
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Honestly nobody knows Scholes outside of the UK. Gerrard has always been a worldwide household name like other world class players.

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This comment appears to be suggesting Scholes wasn't 'World Class'...

It also appears to suggest Beckham was 'World Class' as everyone knows about him.

Please confirm if you believe that to be the case

comment by 🔥💩He's French, He's Flash... I... (U9335)
posted 1 minute ago
Why is it often the case that praising one player becomes about bashing others?

Scholes and Gerrard are two of the best English footballers I imagine I will ever see.

Scratch that. They're two of the best footballers of any nationality that I imagine I will ever see.
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I'm not here to bash Scholes, I think he was a great player but not the best. Certainly in the top ten midfielders in the Premier League era.

comment by 🔥💩He's French, He's Flash... I'm sorreh teh say it's Moyseh... (U9335)
posted 1 minute ago
Why is it often the case that praising one player becomes about bashing others?

Scholes and Gerrard are two of the best English footballers I imagine I will ever see.

Scratch that. They're two of the best footballers of any nationality that I imagine I will ever see.
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Damn straight.

how many times did Scholes or Gerard win players player off the year???

comment by 🔥💩He's French, He's Flash... I'm sorreh teh say it's Moyseh... (U9335)
posted 4 minutes ago
The biggest mistake England managers made was
not building the England team around a central partnership of Scholes and Gerrard.

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I've often felt that Beckham was to blame because we needed to accomodate him in a 442. I think we'd have seen more success with one striker.

Scholes----Gerrard
------Lampard
Beckam-----J Cole
-------Rooney

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It was always a case of picking the best 11 individuals and trying to fit them in instead of building a team. No manager had the balls to drop either one or two of Gerrard, Lampard, Scholes or Beckham.

comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 16 seconds ago
Honestly nobody knows Scholes outside of the UK.
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For a man who understands what control of a game is all about. I'm done.

comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 8 minutes ago
Well I'm gonna side with the professional opinions over fans who dislike Gerrard for reasons other than football.
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So because someone doesn't agree with you they must have a personal dislike for Gerrard? Brilliant.

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I find it hilarious when you post a list of honours when people who don't like it as it proves them wrong, nit pick at the lessor honours and completely ignore the huge honours awarded. It's pathetic and shows how much of an imbecile a person really is.

comment by Elvis - Lonely This Christmas (U7425)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 8 minutes ago
Well I'm gonna side with the professional opinions over fans who dislike Gerrard for reasons other than football.
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So because someone doesn't agree with you they must have a personal dislike for Gerrard? Brilliant.
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You admitted it yourself and have spent your time on this article listing the reason why people would dislike him and yet you think it's a stupid thing to say? Brilliant.

comment by Jayngle Bells. (U16498)
posted 1 minute ago
Honestly nobody knows Scholes outside of the UK. Gerrard has always been a worldwide household name like other world class players.

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This comment appears to be suggesting Scholes wasn't 'World Class'...

It also appears to suggest Beckham was 'World Class' as everyone knows about him.

Please confirm if you believe that to be the case
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I think that TOOR has not got to the point that he has started to WUM because people don't agree with this assessment of Gerrard/Scholes.

comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 16 seconds ago
Honestly nobody knows Scholes outside of the UK.
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----------------------------------------------------------------------https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDI7KxMpbGw

For a man who understands what control of a game is all about. I'm done.
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I completely disagree with this. You can find quotes like this for virtually any top player/manager.

"I find it hilarious when you post a list of honours when people who don't like it as it proves them wrong, nit pick at the lessor honours"

I'm not ignoring the bigger ones, I'm just saying that you're placing far too much weight on their importance. Crap players and managers can win awards relative to their level too...

Gerrard won many honours, and was an absolutely fantastic player, don't get me wrong - but he wasn't at Scholes' level. Like I say - Giggs has tons of honours and he's not World Class either.

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comment by Elvis - Lonely This Christmas (U7425)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Jayngle Bells. (U16498)
posted 1 minute ago
Honestly nobody knows Scholes outside of the UK. Gerrard has always been a worldwide household name like other world class players.

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This comment appears to be suggesting Scholes wasn't 'World Class'...

It also appears to suggest Beckham was 'World Class' as everyone knows about him.

Please confirm if you believe that to be the case
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I think that TOOR has not got to the point that he has started to WUM because people don't agree with this assessment of Gerrard/Scholes.
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For his sake, I hope so. Because that is one of the stupidest arguments I've heard.

comment by Elvis - Lonely This Christmas (U7425)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Jayngle Bells. (U16498)
posted 1 minute ago
Honestly nobody knows Scholes outside of the UK. Gerrard has always been a worldwide household name like other world class players.

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This comment appears to be suggesting Scholes wasn't 'World Class'...

It also appears to suggest Beckham was 'World Class' as everyone knows about him.

Please confirm if you believe that to be the case
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I think that TOOR has not got to the point that he has started to WUM because people don't agree with this assessment of Gerrard/Scholes.
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I haven't started to WUM. Just because somebody doesn't agree with you doesn't mean they are On the WUM. Are all the professionals I posted who agree with me on the WUM? Are the awarding bodies who gave the best players like Gerrard, Xavi, Iniesta etc on the WUM. Wise up.

comment by Jayngle Bells. (U16498)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 16 seconds ago
Honestly nobody knows Scholes outside of the UK.
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----------------------------------------------------------------------https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDI7KxMpbGw

For a man who understands what control of a game is all about. I'm done.
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I completely disagree with this. You can find quotes like this for virtually any top player/manager.

"I find it hilarious when you post a list of honours when people who don't like it as it proves them wrong, nit pick at the lessor honours"

I'm not ignoring the bigger ones, I'm just saying that you're placing far too much weight on their importance. Crap players and managers can win awards relative to their level too...

Gerrard won many honours, and was an absolutely fantastic player, don't get me wrong - but he wasn't at Scholes' level. Like I say - Giggs has tons of honours and he's not World Class either.

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This is frim arguably the best manager in the past 6-8 years if we are going by trophies. I'm sorry but you can't find quotes like this about every top player from top top managers of the game. This man has managed some of the finest footballers of this generation.