comment by Elvis - Lonely This Christmas (U7425)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by ImGeraldButler-IWearASeamasterPlanetOcean (U5547)
posted 4 minutes ago
Scholes wasnt as good as Stevie G, even though he is a top player, he was never a natural leader and was very prone to malicious sneaky tackles.
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There was nothing sneaky about Scholes' tackles. If he was frustrated he just kicked you. Simple as that.
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Scholes in his latter years got away with some howlers and they got written off as 'ohhh that's Scholsey for you...'. The fact he couldn't tackle doesn't mean much to be honest - that's what the rest of the team were for.
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comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by ImGeraldButler-IWearASeamasterPlanetOcean (U5547)
posted 8 seconds ago
Scholes wasnt as good as Stevie G, even though he is a top player, he was never a natural leader and was very prone to malicious sneaky tackles.
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He never got outplayed and schooled by Pirlo like Gerrard and Lampard did. Those two at the top level were found wanting because they could not control a game doing what they are suppose to.
Paul Scholes controlled and single handed set the tempo of games even with the likes of Ronaldo and Rooney at the helm. It takes a special, special type of player to do that.
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That is how I see it and why I have Scholes ahead of both Gerrard and Lampard. Against the best/more subtle midfielders, I felt that the game would sometimes pass them by.
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comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by ImGeraldButler-IWearASeamasterPlanetOcean (U5547)
posted 8 seconds ago
Scholes wasnt as good as Stevie G, even though he is a top player, he was never a natural leader and was very prone to malicious sneaky tackles.
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He never got outplayed and schooled by Pirlo like Gerrard and Lampard did. Those two at the top level were found wanting because they could not control a game doing what they are suppose to.
Paul Scholes controlled and single handed set the tempo of games even with the likes of Ronaldo and Rooney at the helm. It takes a special, special type of player to do that.
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Gerrard controlled nearly every game last season as we challenged for the title, from a deep position. He got nominated for Player of the Year doing it, at 34.
In fact as Gerrard has got older and asked to play the deeper role his pass percentage has increased and yet he still created the most chances in the league and got the most assists as well as scoring goals.
It;s ridiculous when people say Gerrard hasn't been able to control a game, the guy HAS been the game in many games throughout his career.
comment by Elvis - Lonely This Christmas (U7425)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by ImGeraldButler-IWearASeamasterPlanetOcean (U5547)
posted 4 minutes ago
Scholes wasnt as good as Stevie G, even though he is a top player, he was never a natural leader and was very prone to malicious sneaky tackles.
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There was nothing sneaky about Scholes' tackles. If he was frustrated he just kicked you. Simple as that.
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I think he means the wild slide tackles which got put down to poor Scholesy can't tackle, rather than wow what a nasty tackle from Keane, for example.
Don't know why people get so hung up about the DJ thing. I given someone a good smacking before and no doubt I will again at some point. Been slapped myself as well - so what?
With regards to controlling games and getting schooled by Pirlo I've seen Scholes have some very poor games, especially leading up to his first retirement, and I've seen him control games. I've seen the same from almost every top level player ever. It's easy to pick and choose performances.
comment by Elvis - Lonely This Christmas (U7425)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 13 minutes ago
You clearly did not watch your team, rafa made it clear he was not good enough in midfield
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No he didn't. That's just something rival fans have made up and ran with. Simply Rafa wanted ultimately to emulate the system he had at Valencia with two HOLDING midfielders, I capitalised the word holding there to make it easier for you, one being a breaker of play and one a deep laying playmaker. He then required an attacking midfielder, behind the striker, where Gerrard played.
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In my opinion Gerrard was at his best when playing as the SS in behind Torres. They were a truly frightening partnership. If you dropped deep, you left the space for Gerrard to push into and possibly unleash a thunderbolt. If you pushed up to squeeze the space then the pace and movement of Torres meant you were wide open for Gerrard to slip him through. They were very difficult to defend against.
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Exactly,none of this midfielder malarkey
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by ImGeraldButler-IWearASeamasterPlanetOcean (U5547)
posted 8 seconds ago
Scholes wasnt as good as Stevie G, even though he is a top player, he was never a natural leader and was very prone to malicious sneaky tackles.
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He never got outplayed and schooled by Pirlo like Gerrard and Lampard did. Those two at the top level were found wanting because they could not control a game doing what they are suppose to.
Paul Scholes controlled and single handed set the tempo of games even with the likes of Ronaldo and Rooney at the helm. It takes a special, special type of player to do that.
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Gerrard controlled nearly every game last season as we challenged for the title, from a deep position. He got nominated for Player of the Year doing it, at 34.
In fact as Gerrard has got older and asked to play the deeper role his pass percentage has increased and yet he still created the most chances in the league and got the most assists as well as scoring goals.
It;s ridiculous when people say Gerrard hasn't been able to control a game, the guy HAS been the game in many games throughout his career.
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I disagree on that TOOR. I think that big games have past him by when the pace hasn't been what he is used to/best suited his game.
As you say, he did control many games last season - but how many were against really top CMs? I'd say that his understanding of the game and what it takes to control the tempo has improved, especially last season, but for me it has come too late in his career (for me to consider him a better player than Scholes).
As you say, he did control many games last season - but how many were against really top CMs?
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Controversial...
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Elvis - Lonely This Christmas (U7425)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by ImGeraldButler-IWearASeamasterPlanetOcean (U5547)
posted 4 minutes ago
Scholes wasnt as good as Stevie G, even though he is a top player, he was never a natural leader and was very prone to malicious sneaky tackles.
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There was nothing sneaky about Scholes' tackles. If he was frustrated he just kicked you. Simple as that.
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I think he means the wild slide tackles which got put down to poor Scholesy can't tackle, rather than wow what a nasty tackle from Keane, for example.
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There is no denying that Scholes got an easy ride from the media. You could almost imagine the commentators ruffling Scholes' hair as they chuckled about another mistimed tackle. The truth is that Scholes has a nasty side and that usually came out when the team was playing badly or he'd just made a silly mistake. Once he got frustrated he was dangerous.
comment by Robbing_Hoody -Escape goating pre-madonnas so that profits put me in folk law pacifically to show what an shambles Christmas is as it's not rocket sconce cos I'm a massive pendant. (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
Don't know why people get so hung up about the DJ thing. I given someone a good smacking before and no doubt I will again at some point. Been slapped myself as well - so what?
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I think it the perception that he got away with it because of who he is. Also the fact that he allegedly got so upset over the fact that DJ wouldn't play Phil Collins for him. The arrogance of it.
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comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by ImGeraldButler-IWearASeamasterPlanetOcean (U5547)
posted 8 seconds ago
Scholes wasnt as good as Stevie G, even though he is a top player, he was never a natural leader and was very prone to malicious sneaky tackles.
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He never got outplayed and schooled by Pirlo like Gerrard and Lampard did. Those two at the top level were found wanting because they could not control a game doing what they are suppose to.
Paul Scholes controlled and single handed set the tempo of games even with the likes of Ronaldo and Rooney at the helm. It takes a special, special type of player to do that.
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Gerrard controlled nearly every game last season as we challenged for the title, from a deep position. He got nominated for Player of the Year doing it, at 34.
In fact as Gerrard has got older and asked to play the deeper role his pass percentage has increased and yet he still created the most chances in the league and got the most assists as well as scoring goals.
It;s ridiculous when people say Gerrard hasn't been able to control a game, the guy HAS been the game in many games throughout his career.
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Please name me when Liverpool faced top opposition midfielders last year and Gerrard blew anyone out the water? Against inferior midfielders he will boss it, against the best, he is always found wanting. I can't remember him bossing the midfield during the chelsea or City games. Against keane and Scholes, Gerrard was most of the time missing. Against Pirlo, Jheeez Lewis Gerrad and Lampard were diabolical.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahs2W8wUn2w
comment by Elvis - Lonely This Christmas (U7425)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by ImGeraldButler-IWearASeamasterPlanetOcean (U5547)
posted 8 seconds ago
Scholes wasnt as good as Stevie G, even though he is a top player, he was never a natural leader and was very prone to malicious sneaky tackles.
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He never got outplayed and schooled by Pirlo like Gerrard and Lampard did. Those two at the top level were found wanting because they could not control a game doing what they are suppose to.
Paul Scholes controlled and single handed set the tempo of games even with the likes of Ronaldo and Rooney at the helm. It takes a special, special type of player to do that.
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That is how I see it and why I have Scholes ahead of both Gerrard and Lampard. Against the best/more subtle midfielders, I felt that the game would sometimes pass them by.
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Anyone could have been schooled/outplayed playing Hodgson's England. How many times were we outplayed in midfield at Liverpool with Gerrard? We took the game to Xavi and co at Nou Camp and won.. We were known for dominating amd taking down the best in Europe.
comment by 🔥💩He's French, He's Flash... I'm sorreh teh say it's Moyseh... (U9335)
posted 1 minute ago
Who was it Scholes tried to punch that time when he was fouled and as he spun in the air on his way out of the challenge he threw a fist? Alonso?
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Yeh I was thinking Alonso. Pretty sure it was.
comment by 🔥💩He's French, He's Flash... I'm sorreh teh say it's Moyseh... (U9335)
posted 42 seconds ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahs2W8wUn2w
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How did he miss?
To be fair, Alonso conducts himself brilliantly
comment by Elvis - Lonely This Christmas (U7425)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by Robbing_Hoody -Escape goating pre-madonnas so that profits put me in folk law pacifically to show what an shambles Christmas is as it's not rocket sconce cos I'm a massive pendant. (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
Don't know why people get so hung up about the DJ thing. I given someone a good smacking before and no doubt I will again at some point. Been slapped myself as well - so what?
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I think it the perception that he got away with it because of who he is. Also the fact that he allegedly got so upset over the fact that DJ wouldn't play Phil Collins for him. The arrogance of it.
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You may be right but I've never been done by the law either. It's well knownt hat Gerrard knocks about with some very naughty boys and I've no doubt he bunged them a few quid.
However I'm not really the sanctimonious type (not saying you are!) and this is a football forum not morality central.
comment by Elvis - Lonely This Christmas (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by ImGeraldButler-IWearASeamasterPlanetOcean (U5547)
posted 8 seconds ago
Scholes wasnt as good as Stevie G, even though he is a top player, he was never a natural leader and was very prone to malicious sneaky tackles.
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He never got outplayed and schooled by Pirlo like Gerrard and Lampard did. Those two at the top level were found wanting because they could not control a game doing what they are suppose to.
Paul Scholes controlled and single handed set the tempo of games even with the likes of Ronaldo and Rooney at the helm. It takes a special, special type of player to do that.
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Gerrard controlled nearly every game last season as we challenged for the title, from a deep position. He got nominated for Player of the Year doing it, at 34.
In fact as Gerrard has got older and asked to play the deeper role his pass percentage has increased and yet he still created the most chances in the league and got the most assists as well as scoring goals.
It;s ridiculous when people say Gerrard hasn't been able to control a game, the guy HAS been the game in many games throughout his career.
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I disagree on that TOOR. I think that big games have past him by when the pace hasn't been what he is used to/best suited his game.
As you say, he did control many games last season - but how many were against really top CMs? I'd say that his understanding of the game and what it takes to control the tempo has improved, especially last season, but for me it has come too late in his career (for me to consider him a better player than Scholes).
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That's just a lazy get out clause. I don't think his understanding or what it takes to control a game improve, simply that's the position he was asked to play. If he was asked to play it earlier, he would have did it then also. Of fact if he was given that role at his peak, he'd have been one of the best at that also. As I said, he had everything and could play in any position and certainly could be one of the best in any midfield position, in any role given to him.
comment by 🔥💩He's French, He's Flash... I'm sorreh teh say it's Moyseh... (U9335)
posted 5 seconds ago
To be fair, Alonso conducts himself brilliantly
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I have a real soft spot for Alonso. He seems like a class act. Not like that little scally Gerrard.
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by ImGeraldButler-IWearASeamasterPlanetOcean (U5547)
posted 8 seconds ago
Scholes wasnt as good as Stevie G, even though he is a top player, he was never a natural leader and was very prone to malicious sneaky tackles.
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He never got outplayed and schooled by Pirlo like Gerrard and Lampard did. Those two at the top level were found wanting because they could not control a game doing what they are suppose to.
Paul Scholes controlled and single handed set the tempo of games even with the likes of Ronaldo and Rooney at the helm. It takes a special, special type of player to do that.
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Gerrard controlled nearly every game last season as we challenged for the title, from a deep position. He got nominated for Player of the Year doing it, at 34.
In fact as Gerrard has got older and asked to play the deeper role his pass percentage has increased and yet he still created the most chances in the league and got the most assists as well as scoring goals.
It;s ridiculous when people say Gerrard hasn't been able to control a game, the guy HAS been the game in many games throughout his career.
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Please name me when Liverpool faced top opposition midfielders last year and Gerrard blew anyone out the water? Against inferior midfielders he will boss it, against the best, he is always found wanting. I can't remember him bossing the midfield during the chelsea or City games. Against keane and Scholes, Gerrard was most of the time missing. Against Pirlo, Jheeez Lewis Gerrad and Lampard were diabolical.
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I'm not even gonna attempt to get into a debate with you as it's futile. You're a bloody imbecile. I could name you hundreds of games but what point would it do, for somebody like you? It's pointless.
comment by Robbing_Hoody -Escape goating pre-madonnas so that profits put me in folk law pacifically to show what an shambles Christmas is as it's not rocket sconce cos I'm a massive pendant. (U6374)
posted 42 seconds ago
comment by Elvis - Lonely This Christmas (U7425)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by Robbing_Hoody -Escape goating pre-madonnas so that profits put me in folk law pacifically to show what an shambles Christmas is as it's not rocket sconce cos I'm a massive pendant. (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
Don't know why people get so hung up about the DJ thing. I given someone a good smacking before and no doubt I will again at some point. Been slapped myself as well - so what?
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I think it the perception that he got away with it because of who he is. Also the fact that he allegedly got so upset over the fact that DJ wouldn't play Phil Collins for him. The arrogance of it.
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You may be right but I've never been done by the law either. It's well knownt hat Gerrard knocks about with some very naughty boys and I've no doubt he bunged them a few quid.
However I'm not really the sanctimonious type (not saying you are!) and this is a football forum not morality central.
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Like you, I have been involved in my fair share of scrapes. Had I been in Gerrard's situation with the CCTC, I'd have expected to be found guilty. I just can't see the case for self defence.
Either way, I am simply offering up reasons as to why rival fans may not like him.
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posted on 2/1/15
comment by Elvis - Lonely This Christmas (U7425)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by ImGeraldButler-IWearASeamasterPlanetOcean (U5547)
posted 4 minutes ago
Scholes wasnt as good as Stevie G, even though he is a top player, he was never a natural leader and was very prone to malicious sneaky tackles.
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There was nothing sneaky about Scholes' tackles. If he was frustrated he just kicked you. Simple as that.
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Scholes in his latter years got away with some howlers and they got written off as 'ohhh that's Scholsey for you...'. The fact he couldn't tackle doesn't mean much to be honest - that's what the rest of the team were for.
posted on 2/1/15
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posted on 2/1/15
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by ImGeraldButler-IWearASeamasterPlanetOcean (U5547)
posted 8 seconds ago
Scholes wasnt as good as Stevie G, even though he is a top player, he was never a natural leader and was very prone to malicious sneaky tackles.
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He never got outplayed and schooled by Pirlo like Gerrard and Lampard did. Those two at the top level were found wanting because they could not control a game doing what they are suppose to.
Paul Scholes controlled and single handed set the tempo of games even with the likes of Ronaldo and Rooney at the helm. It takes a special, special type of player to do that.
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That is how I see it and why I have Scholes ahead of both Gerrard and Lampard. Against the best/more subtle midfielders, I felt that the game would sometimes pass them by.
posted on 2/1/15
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posted on 2/1/15
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by ImGeraldButler-IWearASeamasterPlanetOcean (U5547)
posted 8 seconds ago
Scholes wasnt as good as Stevie G, even though he is a top player, he was never a natural leader and was very prone to malicious sneaky tackles.
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He never got outplayed and schooled by Pirlo like Gerrard and Lampard did. Those two at the top level were found wanting because they could not control a game doing what they are suppose to.
Paul Scholes controlled and single handed set the tempo of games even with the likes of Ronaldo and Rooney at the helm. It takes a special, special type of player to do that.
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Gerrard controlled nearly every game last season as we challenged for the title, from a deep position. He got nominated for Player of the Year doing it, at 34.
In fact as Gerrard has got older and asked to play the deeper role his pass percentage has increased and yet he still created the most chances in the league and got the most assists as well as scoring goals.
It;s ridiculous when people say Gerrard hasn't been able to control a game, the guy HAS been the game in many games throughout his career.
posted on 2/1/15
comment by Elvis - Lonely This Christmas (U7425)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by ImGeraldButler-IWearASeamasterPlanetOcean (U5547)
posted 4 minutes ago
Scholes wasnt as good as Stevie G, even though he is a top player, he was never a natural leader and was very prone to malicious sneaky tackles.
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There was nothing sneaky about Scholes' tackles. If he was frustrated he just kicked you. Simple as that.
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I think he means the wild slide tackles which got put down to poor Scholesy can't tackle, rather than wow what a nasty tackle from Keane, for example.
posted on 2/1/15
Don't know why people get so hung up about the DJ thing. I given someone a good smacking before and no doubt I will again at some point. Been slapped myself as well - so what?
With regards to controlling games and getting schooled by Pirlo I've seen Scholes have some very poor games, especially leading up to his first retirement, and I've seen him control games. I've seen the same from almost every top level player ever. It's easy to pick and choose performances.
posted on 2/1/15
comment by Elvis - Lonely This Christmas (U7425)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 13 minutes ago
You clearly did not watch your team, rafa made it clear he was not good enough in midfield
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No he didn't. That's just something rival fans have made up and ran with. Simply Rafa wanted ultimately to emulate the system he had at Valencia with two HOLDING midfielders, I capitalised the word holding there to make it easier for you, one being a breaker of play and one a deep laying playmaker. He then required an attacking midfielder, behind the striker, where Gerrard played.
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In my opinion Gerrard was at his best when playing as the SS in behind Torres. They were a truly frightening partnership. If you dropped deep, you left the space for Gerrard to push into and possibly unleash a thunderbolt. If you pushed up to squeeze the space then the pace and movement of Torres meant you were wide open for Gerrard to slip him through. They were very difficult to defend against.
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Exactly,none of this midfielder malarkey
posted on 2/1/15
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by ImGeraldButler-IWearASeamasterPlanetOcean (U5547)
posted 8 seconds ago
Scholes wasnt as good as Stevie G, even though he is a top player, he was never a natural leader and was very prone to malicious sneaky tackles.
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He never got outplayed and schooled by Pirlo like Gerrard and Lampard did. Those two at the top level were found wanting because they could not control a game doing what they are suppose to.
Paul Scholes controlled and single handed set the tempo of games even with the likes of Ronaldo and Rooney at the helm. It takes a special, special type of player to do that.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Gerrard controlled nearly every game last season as we challenged for the title, from a deep position. He got nominated for Player of the Year doing it, at 34.
In fact as Gerrard has got older and asked to play the deeper role his pass percentage has increased and yet he still created the most chances in the league and got the most assists as well as scoring goals.
It;s ridiculous when people say Gerrard hasn't been able to control a game, the guy HAS been the game in many games throughout his career.
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I disagree on that TOOR. I think that big games have past him by when the pace hasn't been what he is used to/best suited his game.
As you say, he did control many games last season - but how many were against really top CMs? I'd say that his understanding of the game and what it takes to control the tempo has improved, especially last season, but for me it has come too late in his career (for me to consider him a better player than Scholes).
posted on 2/1/15
As you say, he did control many games last season - but how many were against really top CMs?
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Controversial...
posted on 2/1/15
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Elvis - Lonely This Christmas (U7425)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by ImGeraldButler-IWearASeamasterPlanetOcean (U5547)
posted 4 minutes ago
Scholes wasnt as good as Stevie G, even though he is a top player, he was never a natural leader and was very prone to malicious sneaky tackles.
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There was nothing sneaky about Scholes' tackles. If he was frustrated he just kicked you. Simple as that.
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I think he means the wild slide tackles which got put down to poor Scholesy can't tackle, rather than wow what a nasty tackle from Keane, for example.
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There is no denying that Scholes got an easy ride from the media. You could almost imagine the commentators ruffling Scholes' hair as they chuckled about another mistimed tackle. The truth is that Scholes has a nasty side and that usually came out when the team was playing badly or he'd just made a silly mistake. Once he got frustrated he was dangerous.
posted on 2/1/15
comment by Robbing_Hoody -Escape goating pre-madonnas so that profits put me in folk law pacifically to show what an shambles Christmas is as it's not rocket sconce cos I'm a massive pendant. (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
Don't know why people get so hung up about the DJ thing. I given someone a good smacking before and no doubt I will again at some point. Been slapped myself as well - so what?
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I think it the perception that he got away with it because of who he is. Also the fact that he allegedly got so upset over the fact that DJ wouldn't play Phil Collins for him. The arrogance of it.
posted on 2/1/15
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posted on 2/1/15
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by ImGeraldButler-IWearASeamasterPlanetOcean (U5547)
posted 8 seconds ago
Scholes wasnt as good as Stevie G, even though he is a top player, he was never a natural leader and was very prone to malicious sneaky tackles.
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He never got outplayed and schooled by Pirlo like Gerrard and Lampard did. Those two at the top level were found wanting because they could not control a game doing what they are suppose to.
Paul Scholes controlled and single handed set the tempo of games even with the likes of Ronaldo and Rooney at the helm. It takes a special, special type of player to do that.
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Gerrard controlled nearly every game last season as we challenged for the title, from a deep position. He got nominated for Player of the Year doing it, at 34.
In fact as Gerrard has got older and asked to play the deeper role his pass percentage has increased and yet he still created the most chances in the league and got the most assists as well as scoring goals.
It;s ridiculous when people say Gerrard hasn't been able to control a game, the guy HAS been the game in many games throughout his career.
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Please name me when Liverpool faced top opposition midfielders last year and Gerrard blew anyone out the water? Against inferior midfielders he will boss it, against the best, he is always found wanting. I can't remember him bossing the midfield during the chelsea or City games. Against keane and Scholes, Gerrard was most of the time missing. Against Pirlo, Jheeez Lewis Gerrad and Lampard were diabolical.
posted on 2/1/15
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posted on 2/1/15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahs2W8wUn2w
posted on 2/1/15
comment by Elvis - Lonely This Christmas (U7425)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by ImGeraldButler-IWearASeamasterPlanetOcean (U5547)
posted 8 seconds ago
Scholes wasnt as good as Stevie G, even though he is a top player, he was never a natural leader and was very prone to malicious sneaky tackles.
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He never got outplayed and schooled by Pirlo like Gerrard and Lampard did. Those two at the top level were found wanting because they could not control a game doing what they are suppose to.
Paul Scholes controlled and single handed set the tempo of games even with the likes of Ronaldo and Rooney at the helm. It takes a special, special type of player to do that.
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That is how I see it and why I have Scholes ahead of both Gerrard and Lampard. Against the best/more subtle midfielders, I felt that the game would sometimes pass them by.
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Anyone could have been schooled/outplayed playing Hodgson's England. How many times were we outplayed in midfield at Liverpool with Gerrard? We took the game to Xavi and co at Nou Camp and won.. We were known for dominating amd taking down the best in Europe.
posted on 2/1/15
comment by 🔥💩He's French, He's Flash... I'm sorreh teh say it's Moyseh... (U9335)
posted 1 minute ago
Who was it Scholes tried to punch that time when he was fouled and as he spun in the air on his way out of the challenge he threw a fist? Alonso?
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Yeh I was thinking Alonso. Pretty sure it was.
posted on 2/1/15
comment by 🔥💩He's French, He's Flash... I'm sorreh teh say it's Moyseh... (U9335)
posted 42 seconds ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahs2W8wUn2w
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How did he miss?
posted on 2/1/15
To be fair, Alonso conducts himself brilliantly
posted on 2/1/15
comment by Elvis - Lonely This Christmas (U7425)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by Robbing_Hoody -Escape goating pre-madonnas so that profits put me in folk law pacifically to show what an shambles Christmas is as it's not rocket sconce cos I'm a massive pendant. (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
Don't know why people get so hung up about the DJ thing. I given someone a good smacking before and no doubt I will again at some point. Been slapped myself as well - so what?
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I think it the perception that he got away with it because of who he is. Also the fact that he allegedly got so upset over the fact that DJ wouldn't play Phil Collins for him. The arrogance of it.
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You may be right but I've never been done by the law either. It's well knownt hat Gerrard knocks about with some very naughty boys and I've no doubt he bunged them a few quid.
However I'm not really the sanctimonious type (not saying you are!) and this is a football forum not morality central.
posted on 2/1/15
comment by Elvis - Lonely This Christmas (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by ImGeraldButler-IWearASeamasterPlanetOcean (U5547)
posted 8 seconds ago
Scholes wasnt as good as Stevie G, even though he is a top player, he was never a natural leader and was very prone to malicious sneaky tackles.
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He never got outplayed and schooled by Pirlo like Gerrard and Lampard did. Those two at the top level were found wanting because they could not control a game doing what they are suppose to.
Paul Scholes controlled and single handed set the tempo of games even with the likes of Ronaldo and Rooney at the helm. It takes a special, special type of player to do that.
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Gerrard controlled nearly every game last season as we challenged for the title, from a deep position. He got nominated for Player of the Year doing it, at 34.
In fact as Gerrard has got older and asked to play the deeper role his pass percentage has increased and yet he still created the most chances in the league and got the most assists as well as scoring goals.
It;s ridiculous when people say Gerrard hasn't been able to control a game, the guy HAS been the game in many games throughout his career.
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I disagree on that TOOR. I think that big games have past him by when the pace hasn't been what he is used to/best suited his game.
As you say, he did control many games last season - but how many were against really top CMs? I'd say that his understanding of the game and what it takes to control the tempo has improved, especially last season, but for me it has come too late in his career (for me to consider him a better player than Scholes).
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That's just a lazy get out clause. I don't think his understanding or what it takes to control a game improve, simply that's the position he was asked to play. If he was asked to play it earlier, he would have did it then also. Of fact if he was given that role at his peak, he'd have been one of the best at that also. As I said, he had everything and could play in any position and certainly could be one of the best in any midfield position, in any role given to him.
posted on 2/1/15
comment by 🔥💩He's French, He's Flash... I'm sorreh teh say it's Moyseh... (U9335)
posted 5 seconds ago
To be fair, Alonso conducts himself brilliantly
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I have a real soft spot for Alonso. He seems like a class act. Not like that little scally Gerrard.
posted on 2/1/15
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by ImGeraldButler-IWearASeamasterPlanetOcean (U5547)
posted 8 seconds ago
Scholes wasnt as good as Stevie G, even though he is a top player, he was never a natural leader and was very prone to malicious sneaky tackles.
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He never got outplayed and schooled by Pirlo like Gerrard and Lampard did. Those two at the top level were found wanting because they could not control a game doing what they are suppose to.
Paul Scholes controlled and single handed set the tempo of games even with the likes of Ronaldo and Rooney at the helm. It takes a special, special type of player to do that.
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Gerrard controlled nearly every game last season as we challenged for the title, from a deep position. He got nominated for Player of the Year doing it, at 34.
In fact as Gerrard has got older and asked to play the deeper role his pass percentage has increased and yet he still created the most chances in the league and got the most assists as well as scoring goals.
It;s ridiculous when people say Gerrard hasn't been able to control a game, the guy HAS been the game in many games throughout his career.
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Please name me when Liverpool faced top opposition midfielders last year and Gerrard blew anyone out the water? Against inferior midfielders he will boss it, against the best, he is always found wanting. I can't remember him bossing the midfield during the chelsea or City games. Against keane and Scholes, Gerrard was most of the time missing. Against Pirlo, Jheeez Lewis Gerrad and Lampard were diabolical.
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I'm not even gonna attempt to get into a debate with you as it's futile. You're a bloody imbecile. I could name you hundreds of games but what point would it do, for somebody like you? It's pointless.
posted on 2/1/15
comment by Robbing_Hoody -Escape goating pre-madonnas so that profits put me in folk law pacifically to show what an shambles Christmas is as it's not rocket sconce cos I'm a massive pendant. (U6374)
posted 42 seconds ago
comment by Elvis - Lonely This Christmas (U7425)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by Robbing_Hoody -Escape goating pre-madonnas so that profits put me in folk law pacifically to show what an shambles Christmas is as it's not rocket sconce cos I'm a massive pendant. (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
Don't know why people get so hung up about the DJ thing. I given someone a good smacking before and no doubt I will again at some point. Been slapped myself as well - so what?
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I think it the perception that he got away with it because of who he is. Also the fact that he allegedly got so upset over the fact that DJ wouldn't play Phil Collins for him. The arrogance of it.
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You may be right but I've never been done by the law either. It's well knownt hat Gerrard knocks about with some very naughty boys and I've no doubt he bunged them a few quid.
However I'm not really the sanctimonious type (not saying you are!) and this is a football forum not morality central.
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Like you, I have been involved in my fair share of scrapes. Had I been in Gerrard's situation with the CCTC, I'd have expected to be found guilty. I just can't see the case for self defence.
Either way, I am simply offering up reasons as to why rival fans may not like him.
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