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comment by Robbing_Hoody -Escape goating pre-madonnas so that profits put me in folk law pacifically to show what an shambles Christmas is as it's not rocket sconce cos I'm a massive pendant. (U6374)
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Don't know why people get so hung up about the DJ thing. I given someone a good smacking before and no doubt I will again at some point. Been slapped myself as well - so what?
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I think it the perception that he got away with it because of who he is. Also the fact that he allegedly got so upset over the fact that DJ wouldn't play Phil Collins for him. The arrogance of it.
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You may be right but I've never been done by the law either. It's well knownt hat Gerrard knocks about with some very naughty boys and I've no doubt he bunged them a few quid.
However I'm not really the sanctimonious type (not saying you are!) and this is a football forum not morality central.
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Like you, I have been involved in my fair share of scrapes. Had I been in Gerrard's situation with the CCTC, I'd have expected to be found guilty. I just can't see the case for self defence.
Either way, I am simply offering up reasons as to why rival fans may not like him.
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It depends really. I got into a fight with bouncers a month or two back and yet I was the one being done for assault, despite them starting and finishing it. I didn't get charged.
It depends on the situation.
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comment by ImGeraldButler-IWearASeamasterPlanetOcean (U5547)
posted 8 seconds ago
Scholes wasnt as good as Stevie G, even though he is a top player, he was never a natural leader and was very prone to malicious sneaky tackles.
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He never got outplayed and schooled by Pirlo like Gerrard and Lampard did. Those two at the top level were found wanting because they could not control a game doing what they are suppose to.
Paul Scholes controlled and single handed set the tempo of games even with the likes of Ronaldo and Rooney at the helm. It takes a special, special type of player to do that.
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Gerrard controlled nearly every game last season as we challenged for the title, from a deep position. He got nominated for Player of the Year doing it, at 34.
In fact as Gerrard has got older and asked to play the deeper role his pass percentage has increased and yet he still created the most chances in the league and got the most assists as well as scoring goals.
It;s ridiculous when people say Gerrard hasn't been able to control a game, the guy HAS been the game in many games throughout his career.
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I disagree on that TOOR. I think that big games have past him by when the pace hasn't been what he is used to/best suited his game.
As you say, he did control many games last season - but how many were against really top CMs? I'd say that his understanding of the game and what it takes to control the tempo has improved, especially last season, but for me it has come too late in his career (for me to consider him a better player than Scholes).
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That's just a lazy get out clause. I don't think his understanding or what it takes to control a game improve, simply that's the position he was asked to play. If he was asked to play it earlier, he would have did it then also. Of fact if he was given that role at his peak, he'd have been one of the best at that also. As I said, he had everything and could play in any position and certainly could be one of the best in any midfield position, in any role given to him.
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There is nothing lazy about it. I make my judgement on having watched him play over his career. I have often seen, when the pace of the game is fairly slow, Gerrard trying to force the game and giving away possession needlessly. What was really needed was more patience and guile.
He has been an exceptional player, but I still rate Scholes on a level just above him.
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comment by ImGeraldButler-IWearASeamasterPlanetOcean (U5547)
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Scholes wasnt as good as Stevie G, even though he is a top player, he was never a natural leader and was very prone to malicious sneaky tackles.
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He never got outplayed and schooled by Pirlo like Gerrard and Lampard did. Those two at the top level were found wanting because they could not control a game doing what they are suppose to.
Paul Scholes controlled and single handed set the tempo of games even with the likes of Ronaldo and Rooney at the helm. It takes a special, special type of player to do that.
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Gerrard controlled nearly every game last season as we challenged for the title, from a deep position. He got nominated for Player of the Year doing it, at 34.
In fact as Gerrard has got older and asked to play the deeper role his pass percentage has increased and yet he still created the most chances in the league and got the most assists as well as scoring goals.
It;s ridiculous when people say Gerrard hasn't been able to control a game, the guy HAS been the game in many games throughout his career.
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I disagree on that TOOR. I think that big games have past him by when the pace hasn't been what he is used to/best suited his game.
As you say, he did control many games last season - but how many were against really top CMs? I'd say that his understanding of the game and what it takes to control the tempo has improved, especially last season, but for me it has come too late in his career (for me to consider him a better player than Scholes).
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That's just a lazy get out clause. I don't think his understanding or what it takes to control a game improve, simply that's the position he was asked to play. If he was asked to play it earlier, he would have did it then also. Of fact if he was given that role at his peak, he'd have been one of the best at that also. As I said, he had everything and could play in any position and certainly could be one of the best in any midfield position, in any role given to him.
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There is nothing lazy about it. I make my judgement on having watched him play over his career. I have often seen, when the pace of the game is fairly slow, Gerrard trying to force the game and giving away possession needlessly. What was really needed was more patience and guile.
He has been an exceptional player, but I still rate Scholes on a level just above him.
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That's the role he was given, the creator, the gamechanger, the match winner. If he was given a sitting role, like he had last season, then he would do that. Players can't just decide what role to take on, they have to obey the manager, as it's for the team, not the individual.
I have often seen, when the pace of the game is fairly slow, Gerrard trying to force the game and giving away possession needlessly.
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But that was one of his key strenghts - forcing opponents to change their game.
In 2005 in 45 minutes he destroyed Kaka, Gattuso, Pirlo and Seedorf on his lonesome.
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
It depends really. I got into a fight with bouncers a month or two back and yet I was the one being done for assault, despite them starting and finishing it. I didn't get charged.
It depends on the situation.
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I don't really get your point TOOR.
With the DJ incident Gerrard claimed self defence. I've seen the video and there is no suggestion that the DJ is going to attack Gerrard. As I said earlier, he was stood with his mate as well. This is a 6ft athlete stood with his mate against 1 guy. Self defence just doesn't ring true for me.
I'd have loved to have been privy to all the evidence just to understand how he was found innocent.
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comment by ImGeraldButler-IWearASeamasterPlanetOcean (U5547)
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Scholes wasnt as good as Stevie G, even though he is a top player, he was never a natural leader and was very prone to malicious sneaky tackles.
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He never got outplayed and schooled by Pirlo like Gerrard and Lampard did. Those two at the top level were found wanting because they could not control a game doing what they are suppose to.
Paul Scholes controlled and single handed set the tempo of games even with the likes of Ronaldo and Rooney at the helm. It takes a special, special type of player to do that.
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Gerrard controlled nearly every game last season as we challenged for the title, from a deep position. He got nominated for Player of the Year doing it, at 34.
In fact as Gerrard has got older and asked to play the deeper role his pass percentage has increased and yet he still created the most chances in the league and got the most assists as well as scoring goals.
It;s ridiculous when people say Gerrard hasn't been able to control a game, the guy HAS been the game in many games throughout his career.
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I disagree on that TOOR. I think that big games have past him by when the pace hasn't been what he is used to/best suited his game.
As you say, he did control many games last season - but how many were against really top CMs? I'd say that his understanding of the game and what it takes to control the tempo has improved, especially last season, but for me it has come too late in his career (for me to consider him a better player than Scholes).
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That's just a lazy get out clause. I don't think his understanding or what it takes to control a game improve, simply that's the position he was asked to play. If he was asked to play it earlier, he would have did it then also. Of fact if he was given that role at his peak, he'd have been one of the best at that also. As I said, he had everything and could play in any position and certainly could be one of the best in any midfield position, in any role given to him.
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There is nothing lazy about it. I make my judgement on having watched him play over his career. I have often seen, when the pace of the game is fairly slow, Gerrard trying to force the game and giving away possession needlessly. What was really needed was more patience and guile.
He has been an exceptional player, but I still rate Scholes on a level just above him.
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That's the role he was given, the creator, the gamechanger, the match winner. If he was given a sitting role, like he had last season, then he would do that. Players can't just decide what role to take on, they have to obey the manager, as it's for the team, not the individual.
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In fact I seem to remember we've had this exact conversation before and got nowhere, so I'll leave it at that.
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comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
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comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
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comment by ImGeraldButler-IWearASeamasterPlanetOcean (U5547)
posted 8 seconds ago
Scholes wasnt as good as Stevie G, even though he is a top player, he was never a natural leader and was very prone to malicious sneaky tackles.
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He never got outplayed and schooled by Pirlo like Gerrard and Lampard did. Those two at the top level were found wanting because they could not control a game doing what they are suppose to.
Paul Scholes controlled and single handed set the tempo of games even with the likes of Ronaldo and Rooney at the helm. It takes a special, special type of player to do that.
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Gerrard controlled nearly every game last season as we challenged for the title, from a deep position. He got nominated for Player of the Year doing it, at 34.
In fact as Gerrard has got older and asked to play the deeper role his pass percentage has increased and yet he still created the most chances in the league and got the most assists as well as scoring goals.
It;s ridiculous when people say Gerrard hasn't been able to control a game, the guy HAS been the game in many games throughout his career.
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Please name me when Liverpool faced top opposition midfielders last year and Gerrard blew anyone out the water? Against inferior midfielders he will boss it, against the best, he is always found wanting. I can't remember him bossing the midfield during the chelsea or City games. Against keane and Scholes, Gerrard was most of the time missing. Against Pirlo, Jheeez Lewis Gerrad and Lampard were diabolical.
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I'm not even gonna attempt to get into a debate with you as it's futile. You're a bloody imbecile. I could name you hundreds of games but what point would it do, for somebody like you? It's pointless.
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100s? Mate stop talking boll ocks. Takes a weak man to resort to insulting someone else when he has nothing else to offer but that. You are a disgrace, go take a nap son.
Elvis;
I'd have loved to have been privy to all the evidence just to understand how he was found innocent.
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I'm pretty sure Gerrard came up with four or five "witnesses" to say the DJ was being agro didn't he?
Preemptive strike BOOM!
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comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
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comment by ImGeraldButler-IWearASeamasterPlanetOcean (U5547)
posted 8 seconds ago
Scholes wasnt as good as Stevie G, even though he is a top player, he was never a natural leader and was very prone to malicious sneaky tackles.
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He never got outplayed and schooled by Pirlo like Gerrard and Lampard did. Those two at the top level were found wanting because they could not control a game doing what they are suppose to.
Paul Scholes controlled and single handed set the tempo of games even with the likes of Ronaldo and Rooney at the helm. It takes a special, special type of player to do that.
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Gerrard controlled nearly every game last season as we challenged for the title, from a deep position. He got nominated for Player of the Year doing it, at 34.
In fact as Gerrard has got older and asked to play the deeper role his pass percentage has increased and yet he still created the most chances in the league and got the most assists as well as scoring goals.
It;s ridiculous when people say Gerrard hasn't been able to control a game, the guy HAS been the game in many games throughout his career.
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I disagree on that TOOR. I think that big games have past him by when the pace hasn't been what he is used to/best suited his game.
As you say, he did control many games last season - but how many were against really top CMs? I'd say that his understanding of the game and what it takes to control the tempo has improved, especially last season, but for me it has come too late in his career (for me to consider him a better player than Scholes).
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That's just a lazy get out clause. I don't think his understanding or what it takes to control a game improve, simply that's the position he was asked to play. If he was asked to play it earlier, he would have did it then also. Of fact if he was given that role at his peak, he'd have been one of the best at that also. As I said, he had everything and could play in any position and certainly could be one of the best in any midfield position, in any role given to him.
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There is nothing lazy about it. I make my judgement on having watched him play over his career. I have often seen, when the pace of the game is fairly slow, Gerrard trying to force the game and giving away possession needlessly. What was really needed was more patience and guile.
He has been an exceptional player, but I still rate Scholes on a level just above him.
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That's the role he was given, the creator, the gamechanger, the match winner. If he was given a sitting role, like he had last season, then he would do that. Players can't just decide what role to take on, they have to obey the manager, as it's for the team, not the individual.
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Scholes controlled games from advanced positions, as well as from deeper positions later in his career. It isn't about where you are playing, but how you adapt to the pace of the game. I don't believe that Gerrard was able to do that against the best midfielders when the pace of the game didn't suit his all action style of play.
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It depends really. I got into a fight with bouncers a month or two back and yet I was the one being done for assault, despite them starting and finishing it. I didn't get charged.
It depends on the situation.
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I don't really get your point TOOR.
With the DJ incident Gerrard claimed self defence. I've seen the video and there is no suggestion that the DJ is going to attack Gerrard. As I said earlier, he was stood with his mate as well. This is a 6ft athlete stood with his mate against 1 guy. Self defence just doesn't ring true for me.
I'd have loved to have been privy to all the evidence just to understand how he was found innocent.
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The bouncers claimed self-defence and that they were assaulted. There was also CCTV where one of them grabs me by the throat after pushing me and I push him, breaking his nose. They dropped the charges otherwise I would have been done for assault. That's the point. It depends on the situation, also on fact and a lot on what people say, especially what solicitors tell you to say and the loopholes they find. I was simply told that I shouldn't say what really happened but just keep repeating no comment as the bouncers had dropped the charges and thus if I didn't tell them anything, nothing could happen.
Simple question really, can anyone see Paul Scholes moving position because of Mascherano and Alonso? Not in a million years in my book.
Lol subtle wum is subtle.
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I have often seen, when the pace of the game is fairly slow, Gerrard trying to force the game and giving away possession needlessly.
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But that was one of his key strenghts - forcing opponents to change their game.
In 2005 in 45 minutes he destroyed Kaka, Gattuso, Pirlo and Seedorf on his lonesome.
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No he didn't. He had a great second half, no doubt about that. But you are greatly overlooking the influence of Hamann in that game. He was the one that controlled the game for Liverpool. The way the AC players came out in the second half was criminal as well.
I always find it hard to put players into a list like this, particularly with midfield players as their style can vary dramatically. When taken into comparison with Scoles and Keane for example, those two I thought worked excellently and complimented each other whereas Gerrard at his peak was more in the centre of the two - he had facets of both of their games about him.
There was a period where, partly down to the quality around him and partly down to the player himself, Gerrard was a joy to watch pulling his team through games.
He's been a brilliant player in the pl.
There is nothing lazy about it. I make my judgement on having watched him play over his career. I have often seen, when the pace of the game is fairly slow, Gerrard trying to force the game and giving away possession needlessly. What was really needed was more patience and guile.
He has been an exceptional player, but I still rate Scholes on a level just above him.
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I disagree with the assessment. At Liverpool (and England some times), Gerrard was usually the only one that brought creatively in the team, therefore was instrcted/forced to take risks. Nothing to do with forcing it. Scholes on the other hand could be patient for 90 mins as he had the likes of Ronaldo, Rooney, Giggs, etc in front of him creating chances.
It's no surprise he was more patient last season with tge likes of Suarez, Sturridge, Sterling and Coutinho ahead..
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Elvis;
I'd have loved to have been privy to all the evidence just to understand how he was found innocent.
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I'm pretty sure Gerrard came up with four or five "witnesses" to say the DJ was being agro didn't he?
Preemptive strike BOOM!
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I don't know the details to be fair, but sounds about right.
Considering the DJ was in his own area doing his job and Gerrard approached him, how could the DJ of been 'agro'?
Can we go easy on the reply feature please!
"Scholes controlled games from advanced positions, as well as from deeper positions later in his career. "
As did Gerrard, ask some of the best midfielders in the world what it was like as Gerrard BECAME the game and pulled Liverpool past some of the best teams with players like Traore and Biscan in the first XI.
In fact have a little look at this little lot who faced or played with him.
“Gerrard has been my idol for 10 years and is one of the best players in the world. He is the example of what all midfield players aspire to.”
-Daniele De Rossi
“I love Gerrard’s qualities as a player and a leader. Technically and tactically he is the best. He is a player who fans can identify themselves with and a man who carries the love for his club on his club badge. There is not another player in the world who combines all those qualities.”
-Guus Hiddink
“An excellent player in my opinion, he is a modern player because he is a player who runs, marks, knows how to pass, cross, score goals and he is a leader on the field for Liverpool. So he is a player I would like to have in my team.”
-Kaka
“I remember in the Champions League final comeback by Liverpool against AC Milan, you saw him up front, on the wings, and a moment later he was back, marking the playmaker, I have never seen such a complete midfielder.”
-Claudio Marchisio
“For me, in the position he plays, he is one of the very best in the world. For the job he performs, for me he is one of the greatest.”
-Ronaldinho
“Steven Gerrard would be the captain of my World XI dream team.”
-Francesco Totti
“I can’t think of a striker in the world who has scored as many important goals, never mind a midfielder.”
-Thierry Henry
“The biggest compliment I can give to him is he is second only to Zinedine Zidane in terms of his world-class status.”
-Michael Owen
“Is he the best in the world? He might not get the attention of Messi and Ronaldo but yes, I think he just might be.”
-Zinedine Zidane
“He has become the most influential player in England bar none. Not that Vieira lacks anything, but Gerrard does more.”
-Sir Alex Ferguson
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Simple question really, can anyone see Paul Scholes moving position because of Mascherano and Alonso? Not in a million years in my book.
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No he played as an attacking midfielder to provide creatively for Torres. Gerrard made Torres one of the best in the world.
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It depends really. I got into a fight with bouncers a month or two back and yet I was the one being done for assault, despite them starting and finishing it. I didn't get charged.
It depends on the situation.
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I don't really get your point TOOR.
With the DJ incident Gerrard claimed self defence. I've seen the video and there is no suggestion that the DJ is going to attack Gerrard. As I said earlier, he was stood with his mate as well. This is a 6ft athlete stood with his mate against 1 guy. Self defence just doesn't ring true for me.
I'd have loved to have been privy to all the evidence just to understand how he was found innocent.
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The bouncers claimed self-defence and that they were assaulted. There was also CCTV where one of them grabs me by the throat after pushing me and I push him, breaking his nose. They dropped the charges otherwise I would have been done for assault. That's the point. It depends on the situation, also on fact and a lot on what people say, especially what solicitors tell you to say and the loopholes they find. I was simply told that I shouldn't say what really happened but just keep repeating no comment as the bouncers had dropped the charges and thus if I didn't tell them anything, nothing could happen.
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Ok, I'm with you. I guess it came down to witness statements and Gerrard had enough to back up his version of events. Smells fishy to me though.
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I don't know the details to be fair, but sounds about right.
Considering the DJ was in his own area doing his job and Gerrard approached him, how could the DJ of been 'agro'?
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"Feck off with your requests or I'll whack you?" - something like that I guess. Gerrard says he fears for his personal safety (I know!) and four others back up his claims. The law doesn't always equate to justice.
Who is this guy speaking about Scholes' nasty tackles. I don't ever remember Scholes commuting a challenge as bad as one of Gerrards tackles. I remember the tackle but can't remember who against.
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Can we go easy on the reply feature please!
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What reply feature?
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Who is this guy speaking about Scholes' nasty tackles. I don't ever remember Scholes commuting a challenge as bad as one of Gerrards tackles. I remember the tackle but can't remember who against.
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Don't know why people get so hung up about the DJ thing. I given someone a good smacking before and no doubt I will again at some point. Been slapped myself as well - so what?
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I think it the perception that he got away with it because of who he is. Also the fact that he allegedly got so upset over the fact that DJ wouldn't play Phil Collins for him. The arrogance of it.
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You may be right but I've never been done by the law either. It's well knownt hat Gerrard knocks about with some very naughty boys and I've no doubt he bunged them a few quid.
However I'm not really the sanctimonious type (not saying you are!) and this is a football forum not morality central.
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Like you, I have been involved in my fair share of scrapes. Had I been in Gerrard's situation with the CCTC, I'd have expected to be found guilty. I just can't see the case for self defence.
Either way, I am simply offering up reasons as to why rival fans may not like him.
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It depends really. I got into a fight with bouncers a month or two back and yet I was the one being done for assault, despite them starting and finishing it. I didn't get charged.
It depends on the situation.
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comment by ImGeraldButler-IWearASeamasterPlanetOcean (U5547)
posted 8 seconds ago
Scholes wasnt as good as Stevie G, even though he is a top player, he was never a natural leader and was very prone to malicious sneaky tackles.
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He never got outplayed and schooled by Pirlo like Gerrard and Lampard did. Those two at the top level were found wanting because they could not control a game doing what they are suppose to.
Paul Scholes controlled and single handed set the tempo of games even with the likes of Ronaldo and Rooney at the helm. It takes a special, special type of player to do that.
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Gerrard controlled nearly every game last season as we challenged for the title, from a deep position. He got nominated for Player of the Year doing it, at 34.
In fact as Gerrard has got older and asked to play the deeper role his pass percentage has increased and yet he still created the most chances in the league and got the most assists as well as scoring goals.
It;s ridiculous when people say Gerrard hasn't been able to control a game, the guy HAS been the game in many games throughout his career.
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I disagree on that TOOR. I think that big games have past him by when the pace hasn't been what he is used to/best suited his game.
As you say, he did control many games last season - but how many were against really top CMs? I'd say that his understanding of the game and what it takes to control the tempo has improved, especially last season, but for me it has come too late in his career (for me to consider him a better player than Scholes).
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That's just a lazy get out clause. I don't think his understanding or what it takes to control a game improve, simply that's the position he was asked to play. If he was asked to play it earlier, he would have did it then also. Of fact if he was given that role at his peak, he'd have been one of the best at that also. As I said, he had everything and could play in any position and certainly could be one of the best in any midfield position, in any role given to him.
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There is nothing lazy about it. I make my judgement on having watched him play over his career. I have often seen, when the pace of the game is fairly slow, Gerrard trying to force the game and giving away possession needlessly. What was really needed was more patience and guile.
He has been an exceptional player, but I still rate Scholes on a level just above him.
posted on 2/1/15
comment by Elvis - Lonely This Christmas (U7425)
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Scholes wasnt as good as Stevie G, even though he is a top player, he was never a natural leader and was very prone to malicious sneaky tackles.
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He never got outplayed and schooled by Pirlo like Gerrard and Lampard did. Those two at the top level were found wanting because they could not control a game doing what they are suppose to.
Paul Scholes controlled and single handed set the tempo of games even with the likes of Ronaldo and Rooney at the helm. It takes a special, special type of player to do that.
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Gerrard controlled nearly every game last season as we challenged for the title, from a deep position. He got nominated for Player of the Year doing it, at 34.
In fact as Gerrard has got older and asked to play the deeper role his pass percentage has increased and yet he still created the most chances in the league and got the most assists as well as scoring goals.
It;s ridiculous when people say Gerrard hasn't been able to control a game, the guy HAS been the game in many games throughout his career.
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I disagree on that TOOR. I think that big games have past him by when the pace hasn't been what he is used to/best suited his game.
As you say, he did control many games last season - but how many were against really top CMs? I'd say that his understanding of the game and what it takes to control the tempo has improved, especially last season, but for me it has come too late in his career (for me to consider him a better player than Scholes).
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That's just a lazy get out clause. I don't think his understanding or what it takes to control a game improve, simply that's the position he was asked to play. If he was asked to play it earlier, he would have did it then also. Of fact if he was given that role at his peak, he'd have been one of the best at that also. As I said, he had everything and could play in any position and certainly could be one of the best in any midfield position, in any role given to him.
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There is nothing lazy about it. I make my judgement on having watched him play over his career. I have often seen, when the pace of the game is fairly slow, Gerrard trying to force the game and giving away possession needlessly. What was really needed was more patience and guile.
He has been an exceptional player, but I still rate Scholes on a level just above him.
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That's the role he was given, the creator, the gamechanger, the match winner. If he was given a sitting role, like he had last season, then he would do that. Players can't just decide what role to take on, they have to obey the manager, as it's for the team, not the individual.
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I have often seen, when the pace of the game is fairly slow, Gerrard trying to force the game and giving away possession needlessly.
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But that was one of his key strenghts - forcing opponents to change their game.
In 2005 in 45 minutes he destroyed Kaka, Gattuso, Pirlo and Seedorf on his lonesome.
posted on 2/1/15
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
It depends really. I got into a fight with bouncers a month or two back and yet I was the one being done for assault, despite them starting and finishing it. I didn't get charged.
It depends on the situation.
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I don't really get your point TOOR.
With the DJ incident Gerrard claimed self defence. I've seen the video and there is no suggestion that the DJ is going to attack Gerrard. As I said earlier, he was stood with his mate as well. This is a 6ft athlete stood with his mate against 1 guy. Self defence just doesn't ring true for me.
I'd have loved to have been privy to all the evidence just to understand how he was found innocent.
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comment by Elvis - Lonely This Christmas (U7425)
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comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
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comment by ImGeraldButler-IWearASeamasterPlanetOcean (U5547)
posted 8 seconds ago
Scholes wasnt as good as Stevie G, even though he is a top player, he was never a natural leader and was very prone to malicious sneaky tackles.
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He never got outplayed and schooled by Pirlo like Gerrard and Lampard did. Those two at the top level were found wanting because they could not control a game doing what they are suppose to.
Paul Scholes controlled and single handed set the tempo of games even with the likes of Ronaldo and Rooney at the helm. It takes a special, special type of player to do that.
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Gerrard controlled nearly every game last season as we challenged for the title, from a deep position. He got nominated for Player of the Year doing it, at 34.
In fact as Gerrard has got older and asked to play the deeper role his pass percentage has increased and yet he still created the most chances in the league and got the most assists as well as scoring goals.
It;s ridiculous when people say Gerrard hasn't been able to control a game, the guy HAS been the game in many games throughout his career.
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I disagree on that TOOR. I think that big games have past him by when the pace hasn't been what he is used to/best suited his game.
As you say, he did control many games last season - but how many were against really top CMs? I'd say that his understanding of the game and what it takes to control the tempo has improved, especially last season, but for me it has come too late in his career (for me to consider him a better player than Scholes).
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That's just a lazy get out clause. I don't think his understanding or what it takes to control a game improve, simply that's the position he was asked to play. If he was asked to play it earlier, he would have did it then also. Of fact if he was given that role at his peak, he'd have been one of the best at that also. As I said, he had everything and could play in any position and certainly could be one of the best in any midfield position, in any role given to him.
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There is nothing lazy about it. I make my judgement on having watched him play over his career. I have often seen, when the pace of the game is fairly slow, Gerrard trying to force the game and giving away possession needlessly. What was really needed was more patience and guile.
He has been an exceptional player, but I still rate Scholes on a level just above him.
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That's the role he was given, the creator, the gamechanger, the match winner. If he was given a sitting role, like he had last season, then he would do that. Players can't just decide what role to take on, they have to obey the manager, as it's for the team, not the individual.
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In fact I seem to remember we've had this exact conversation before and got nowhere, so I'll leave it at that.
posted on 2/1/15
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
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comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
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comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by ImGeraldButler-IWearASeamasterPlanetOcean (U5547)
posted 8 seconds ago
Scholes wasnt as good as Stevie G, even though he is a top player, he was never a natural leader and was very prone to malicious sneaky tackles.
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He never got outplayed and schooled by Pirlo like Gerrard and Lampard did. Those two at the top level were found wanting because they could not control a game doing what they are suppose to.
Paul Scholes controlled and single handed set the tempo of games even with the likes of Ronaldo and Rooney at the helm. It takes a special, special type of player to do that.
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Gerrard controlled nearly every game last season as we challenged for the title, from a deep position. He got nominated for Player of the Year doing it, at 34.
In fact as Gerrard has got older and asked to play the deeper role his pass percentage has increased and yet he still created the most chances in the league and got the most assists as well as scoring goals.
It;s ridiculous when people say Gerrard hasn't been able to control a game, the guy HAS been the game in many games throughout his career.
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Please name me when Liverpool faced top opposition midfielders last year and Gerrard blew anyone out the water? Against inferior midfielders he will boss it, against the best, he is always found wanting. I can't remember him bossing the midfield during the chelsea or City games. Against keane and Scholes, Gerrard was most of the time missing. Against Pirlo, Jheeez Lewis Gerrad and Lampard were diabolical.
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I'm not even gonna attempt to get into a debate with you as it's futile. You're a bloody imbecile. I could name you hundreds of games but what point would it do, for somebody like you? It's pointless.
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100s? Mate stop talking boll ocks. Takes a weak man to resort to insulting someone else when he has nothing else to offer but that. You are a disgrace, go take a nap son.
posted on 2/1/15
Elvis;
I'd have loved to have been privy to all the evidence just to understand how he was found innocent.
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I'm pretty sure Gerrard came up with four or five "witnesses" to say the DJ was being agro didn't he?
Preemptive strike BOOM!
posted on 2/1/15
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
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comment by Elvis - Lonely This Christmas (U7425)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Elvis - Lonely This Christmas (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by ImGeraldButler-IWearASeamasterPlanetOcean (U5547)
posted 8 seconds ago
Scholes wasnt as good as Stevie G, even though he is a top player, he was never a natural leader and was very prone to malicious sneaky tackles.
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He never got outplayed and schooled by Pirlo like Gerrard and Lampard did. Those two at the top level were found wanting because they could not control a game doing what they are suppose to.
Paul Scholes controlled and single handed set the tempo of games even with the likes of Ronaldo and Rooney at the helm. It takes a special, special type of player to do that.
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Gerrard controlled nearly every game last season as we challenged for the title, from a deep position. He got nominated for Player of the Year doing it, at 34.
In fact as Gerrard has got older and asked to play the deeper role his pass percentage has increased and yet he still created the most chances in the league and got the most assists as well as scoring goals.
It;s ridiculous when people say Gerrard hasn't been able to control a game, the guy HAS been the game in many games throughout his career.
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I disagree on that TOOR. I think that big games have past him by when the pace hasn't been what he is used to/best suited his game.
As you say, he did control many games last season - but how many were against really top CMs? I'd say that his understanding of the game and what it takes to control the tempo has improved, especially last season, but for me it has come too late in his career (for me to consider him a better player than Scholes).
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That's just a lazy get out clause. I don't think his understanding or what it takes to control a game improve, simply that's the position he was asked to play. If he was asked to play it earlier, he would have did it then also. Of fact if he was given that role at his peak, he'd have been one of the best at that also. As I said, he had everything and could play in any position and certainly could be one of the best in any midfield position, in any role given to him.
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There is nothing lazy about it. I make my judgement on having watched him play over his career. I have often seen, when the pace of the game is fairly slow, Gerrard trying to force the game and giving away possession needlessly. What was really needed was more patience and guile.
He has been an exceptional player, but I still rate Scholes on a level just above him.
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That's the role he was given, the creator, the gamechanger, the match winner. If he was given a sitting role, like he had last season, then he would do that. Players can't just decide what role to take on, they have to obey the manager, as it's for the team, not the individual.
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Scholes controlled games from advanced positions, as well as from deeper positions later in his career. It isn't about where you are playing, but how you adapt to the pace of the game. I don't believe that Gerrard was able to do that against the best midfielders when the pace of the game didn't suit his all action style of play.
posted on 2/1/15
comment by Elvis - Lonely This Christmas (U7425)
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comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
It depends really. I got into a fight with bouncers a month or two back and yet I was the one being done for assault, despite them starting and finishing it. I didn't get charged.
It depends on the situation.
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I don't really get your point TOOR.
With the DJ incident Gerrard claimed self defence. I've seen the video and there is no suggestion that the DJ is going to attack Gerrard. As I said earlier, he was stood with his mate as well. This is a 6ft athlete stood with his mate against 1 guy. Self defence just doesn't ring true for me.
I'd have loved to have been privy to all the evidence just to understand how he was found innocent.
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The bouncers claimed self-defence and that they were assaulted. There was also CCTV where one of them grabs me by the throat after pushing me and I push him, breaking his nose. They dropped the charges otherwise I would have been done for assault. That's the point. It depends on the situation, also on fact and a lot on what people say, especially what solicitors tell you to say and the loopholes they find. I was simply told that I shouldn't say what really happened but just keep repeating no comment as the bouncers had dropped the charges and thus if I didn't tell them anything, nothing could happen.
posted on 2/1/15
Simple question really, can anyone see Paul Scholes moving position because of Mascherano and Alonso? Not in a million years in my book.
posted on 2/1/15
Lol subtle wum is subtle.
posted on 2/1/15
comment by 🔥💩He's French, He's Flash... I'm sorreh teh say it's Moyseh... (U9335)
posted 4 minutes ago
I have often seen, when the pace of the game is fairly slow, Gerrard trying to force the game and giving away possession needlessly.
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But that was one of his key strenghts - forcing opponents to change their game.
In 2005 in 45 minutes he destroyed Kaka, Gattuso, Pirlo and Seedorf on his lonesome.
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No he didn't. He had a great second half, no doubt about that. But you are greatly overlooking the influence of Hamann in that game. He was the one that controlled the game for Liverpool. The way the AC players came out in the second half was criminal as well.
posted on 2/1/15
I always find it hard to put players into a list like this, particularly with midfield players as their style can vary dramatically. When taken into comparison with Scoles and Keane for example, those two I thought worked excellently and complimented each other whereas Gerrard at his peak was more in the centre of the two - he had facets of both of their games about him.
There was a period where, partly down to the quality around him and partly down to the player himself, Gerrard was a joy to watch pulling his team through games.
He's been a brilliant player in the pl.
posted on 2/1/15
There is nothing lazy about it. I make my judgement on having watched him play over his career. I have often seen, when the pace of the game is fairly slow, Gerrard trying to force the game and giving away possession needlessly. What was really needed was more patience and guile.
He has been an exceptional player, but I still rate Scholes on a level just above him.
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I disagree with the assessment. At Liverpool (and England some times), Gerrard was usually the only one that brought creatively in the team, therefore was instrcted/forced to take risks. Nothing to do with forcing it. Scholes on the other hand could be patient for 90 mins as he had the likes of Ronaldo, Rooney, Giggs, etc in front of him creating chances.
It's no surprise he was more patient last season with tge likes of Suarez, Sturridge, Sterling and Coutinho ahead..
posted on 2/1/15
comment by Robbing_Hoody -Escape goating pre-madonnas so that profits put me in folk law pacifically to show what an shambles Christmas is as it's not rocket sconce cos I'm a massive pendant. (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
Elvis;
I'd have loved to have been privy to all the evidence just to understand how he was found innocent.
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I'm pretty sure Gerrard came up with four or five "witnesses" to say the DJ was being agro didn't he?
Preemptive strike BOOM!
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I don't know the details to be fair, but sounds about right.
Considering the DJ was in his own area doing his job and Gerrard approached him, how could the DJ of been 'agro'?
posted on 2/1/15
Can we go easy on the reply feature please!
posted on 2/1/15
"Scholes controlled games from advanced positions, as well as from deeper positions later in his career. "
As did Gerrard, ask some of the best midfielders in the world what it was like as Gerrard BECAME the game and pulled Liverpool past some of the best teams with players like Traore and Biscan in the first XI.
In fact have a little look at this little lot who faced or played with him.
“Gerrard has been my idol for 10 years and is one of the best players in the world. He is the example of what all midfield players aspire to.”
-Daniele De Rossi
“I love Gerrard’s qualities as a player and a leader. Technically and tactically he is the best. He is a player who fans can identify themselves with and a man who carries the love for his club on his club badge. There is not another player in the world who combines all those qualities.”
-Guus Hiddink
“An excellent player in my opinion, he is a modern player because he is a player who runs, marks, knows how to pass, cross, score goals and he is a leader on the field for Liverpool. So he is a player I would like to have in my team.”
-Kaka
“I remember in the Champions League final comeback by Liverpool against AC Milan, you saw him up front, on the wings, and a moment later he was back, marking the playmaker, I have never seen such a complete midfielder.”
-Claudio Marchisio
“For me, in the position he plays, he is one of the very best in the world. For the job he performs, for me he is one of the greatest.”
-Ronaldinho
“Steven Gerrard would be the captain of my World XI dream team.”
-Francesco Totti
“I can’t think of a striker in the world who has scored as many important goals, never mind a midfielder.”
-Thierry Henry
“The biggest compliment I can give to him is he is second only to Zinedine Zidane in terms of his world-class status.”
-Michael Owen
“Is he the best in the world? He might not get the attention of Messi and Ronaldo but yes, I think he just might be.”
-Zinedine Zidane
“He has become the most influential player in England bar none. Not that Vieira lacks anything, but Gerrard does more.”
-Sir Alex Ferguson
posted on 2/1/15
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 1 minute ago
Simple question really, can anyone see Paul Scholes moving position because of Mascherano and Alonso? Not in a million years in my book.
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No he played as an attacking midfielder to provide creatively for Torres. Gerrard made Torres one of the best in the world.
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posted on 2/1/15
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Elvis - Lonely This Christmas (U7425)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
It depends really. I got into a fight with bouncers a month or two back and yet I was the one being done for assault, despite them starting and finishing it. I didn't get charged.
It depends on the situation.
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I don't really get your point TOOR.
With the DJ incident Gerrard claimed self defence. I've seen the video and there is no suggestion that the DJ is going to attack Gerrard. As I said earlier, he was stood with his mate as well. This is a 6ft athlete stood with his mate against 1 guy. Self defence just doesn't ring true for me.
I'd have loved to have been privy to all the evidence just to understand how he was found innocent.
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The bouncers claimed self-defence and that they were assaulted. There was also CCTV where one of them grabs me by the throat after pushing me and I push him, breaking his nose. They dropped the charges otherwise I would have been done for assault. That's the point. It depends on the situation, also on fact and a lot on what people say, especially what solicitors tell you to say and the loopholes they find. I was simply told that I shouldn't say what really happened but just keep repeating no comment as the bouncers had dropped the charges and thus if I didn't tell them anything, nothing could happen.
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Ok, I'm with you. I guess it came down to witness statements and Gerrard had enough to back up his version of events. Smells fishy to me though.
posted on 2/1/15
comment by Elvis - Lonely This Christmas (U7425)
I don't know the details to be fair, but sounds about right.
Considering the DJ was in his own area doing his job and Gerrard approached him, how could the DJ of been 'agro'?
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"Feck off with your requests or I'll whack you?" - something like that I guess. Gerrard says he fears for his personal safety (I know!) and four others back up his claims. The law doesn't always equate to justice.
posted on 2/1/15
Who is this guy speaking about Scholes' nasty tackles. I don't ever remember Scholes commuting a challenge as bad as one of Gerrards tackles. I remember the tackle but can't remember who against.
posted on 2/1/15
comment by Robbing_Hoody -Escape goating pre-madonnas so that profits put me in folk law pacifically to show what an shambles Christmas is as it's not rocket sconce cos I'm a massive pendant. (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
Can we go easy on the reply feature please!
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What reply feature?
posted on 2/1/15
comment by Juan Matador (U17834)
posted 0 seconds ago
Who is this guy speaking about Scholes' nasty tackles. I don't ever remember Scholes commuting a challenge as bad as one of Gerrards tackles. I remember the tackle but can't remember who against.
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