I don't see how people can use the "losing Suarez and Sturridge" line as mitigation for this season. We have scored 11 more goals than we've conceded. In no way is that good enough.
Suarez was knowingly sold. Sturridge has always been injury prone. How anyone in the upper levels of the club can think that Balotelli, Borini and Lambert are adequate cover, I will never know.
We have no-one in double figures. Raheem Sterling is our top scorer on 7, behind the likes of high fliers Nacer Chadli, Leonardo Ulloa and Nikica Jelavic.
Fact is Suarez was never replaced.
Had you signed Remy the season could have turned out differently. He certainly would have scored more than 7 goals if played regularly and only cost 10 million, which isn't much for a top class striker these days.
You have to also take into account that we had the world cup last summer and injuries and tiredness resulting from that.
Gerrard said that in last summer were the worst days of his life. It affected him psychologically. Very hard to robotically move on and play well. This in turn affected the side.
We had a hangover season, plus star player being sold, injuries to the other striker, new additions to the squad taking time to settle, some poor acquisitions and unsuitable tactics in the first half of the season.
I trust BR to put things right. I hope FSG are patient with him too. They'll probably monitor the first few games of the new season before deciding to take action if we're underperforming.
So, if I summarise the article it's suggesting that we simply need to redefine success and then we're all sorted.?
Brilliant.
comment by Manfrombelmonty (U1705)
posted 5 hours, 30 minutes ago
We can't blame the 'committee' for every poor transfer and exonerate Rodgers of blame. Rodgers says he has first and last call on all transfers. So he is responsible for our probable 90% failure rate on transfers.
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Yes, agreed. He is responsible. He is in a responsible job and has responsibility for the abject performance I watched at Wembley yesterday.
comment by 4 years and 10 months to go.. (U20035)
So, if I summarise the article it's suggesting that we simply need to redefine success and then we're all sorted.?
Brilliant.
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Roy Hodgson has already successfully done this with the media wrt to the expectations for the England team.
I'd like him to see out his contract but.......
To be undone by one injury is poor management
Too many times we have had to change the formation during a game at least once. Why isn't it right from the start?
Often this season it has looked like they're not playing for the manager.
Hm....some good point for and against Rodgers made by here. Me, I am not sure yet....would like to give him one more year, but my gut says it ain't going to be a success.
However, regarding the transfers from the last couple of years. Fresh from the press, PSV Eindhoven have confirmed in the Dutch media they have given two Football clubs permission to talk to Memphis Depay about a transfer: PSG and Liverpool.
Must say I am not at all pleased about this. Don't get me wrong, the guy is a great talent. But guess what, he is a small winger. Do we really need to spend another 20-30 mill on a 1m76 little winger, when we already have the likes of St
Sorry, not done typing yet, see post above. But do we really need to spend money on another little winger when we have Sterling, Ibe, Lallana and Markovic? Unless we plan to sell Sterling, this doesn't make sense to me. Save your pennies, and spend it where we really need it. A proven CF, and box to box MF for starters.
Our objectives for the season, from the managers own mouth, not fan expectation, where CL KO's, win a trophy, and retain CL place.
We have failed/ will fail spectacularly in the first instance, to achieve any of those objectives.
A month ago the manager was talking about finishing 2nd.
You can't just blame fan expectation. That hasn't come from nowhere.
Rodgers talks at every opportunity. If you do that, you have to back it up. He hasn't done it.
He MIGHT get the start of next season to show that this was a transition, then again he might not.
The fact is with a large number of our squad leaving, the chances are next season will also be a transition, even if we don't sign that many players.
Rodgers has already talked about a title challenge again next season. What are you going to say if we are 10th after 8 games? Blame fan expectation?
Tim, Depay is not small nor a winger.
He is a forward, and is quite built. Look at his goal record this season.
5 foot 9 1/2
not big, not a midget
I mentioned it before he is looking to fail every single objective and that will probably get him the sack at end of season and will probably lessen the payout as well for not meeting the goals.
Yesterday was not on. I can excuse defeats to arsenal and Chelsea but not to a team that has spent a fraction to what we have.
If depay signs for liverpool,i'll eat my own head.
He'll be united bound if he comes to the prem.
Righteous
He is a winger, plays left winger for PSV in a 3 men attack. I watch the Dutch league every week being Dutch myself, so take my word for it.
And yes, he's scored plenty of goals this season...but it is the Dutch league. Plenty of strikers from the Dutch league, who did great there, fluffed it in the PL.
And he is 1m76cm. Dunno if that is not small for a Englishman, but for a Dutchman it is.
everyone is a little person compared to the Dutch though
you lot are giants
Depay will follow in the long tradition of Dutch wide forwards who end up down the middle, especially if he comes to England.
He won't sign for us anyway as mentioned elsewhere.
Depay won't come to us, why would he. Unless something radically changes at the club in the summer it's going to be a tough summer. Realistic targets I'd be considering would be:
Benteke- top target
Schneiderlin (possibly, he will probably want CL too)
Cabaye (likewise)
I'd rather go for someone proven (easy said than done) than take a risk on some young lad from the Dutch league. We already have too many of these "watch how good he will be in 2-3 years" type of players in the squad.
Others like aspas and Alberto just were young and can only be assumed weren't what he expected wen he got them training.
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Just as a side note, Aspas was 26 at the start of last season.
Aspas and Alberto Had forgotten about them.
The more you look into our transfer policy since BR took over the more damning it becomes, so many poor buys.
I know Aspas is famous for his corner but what about Lovren's 40 yard shot to row Z yesterday in injury time
If there was ever a player out of his depth in a red shirt then Lovren is your man.
our transfers are primarily kids/prospects and lower priced (compared to the clubs above us) gambles.
I think expectation is out of joint with reality - especially since all our top targets rejected us.
There is a fair bit of delusion as to who we can actually attract.
Very good post OP. The declared consensus of inion within the club at the end of last season, from both Brendan and john H was that we had over-achieved. While everyone expected the loss of Luis to be big, I don't think we all realised just how big that loss was going to be. Daniel being almost permanently injured dictates, for me, that he needs to be replaced, simple as. Through no fault of his he has become someone who cannot be relied upon to perform throughout each season.
A dose of realism is exactly what we all need. What we also need is to give the club and manager more time to get it together. We will get there.
JimmyTheRed
Tbh, IF he's a smart kid, he would go to Liverpool. He definitely isn't ready for one of the top top teams in Europe, and he would do well to follow the footsteps of a Suarez, or an Eriksen, to go to a big club in a big competition who will fight for top 4 and CL.
For that matter, he should take a careful look at Afellay, he predecessor at PSV. That kid went from PSV to Barcelona, and now he's playing in the Greek league.
And I wouldn't mind Depay, if we sold Sterling for the right price. But hey, that is all a lot of ifs, and I would rather we concentrate on other positions.
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posted on 20/4/15
I don't see how people can use the "losing Suarez and Sturridge" line as mitigation for this season. We have scored 11 more goals than we've conceded. In no way is that good enough.
Suarez was knowingly sold. Sturridge has always been injury prone. How anyone in the upper levels of the club can think that Balotelli, Borini and Lambert are adequate cover, I will never know.
We have no-one in double figures. Raheem Sterling is our top scorer on 7, behind the likes of high fliers Nacer Chadli, Leonardo Ulloa and Nikica Jelavic.
Fact is Suarez was never replaced.
posted on 20/4/15
Had you signed Remy the season could have turned out differently. He certainly would have scored more than 7 goals if played regularly and only cost 10 million, which isn't much for a top class striker these days.
posted on 20/4/15
You have to also take into account that we had the world cup last summer and injuries and tiredness resulting from that.
Gerrard said that in last summer were the worst days of his life. It affected him psychologically. Very hard to robotically move on and play well. This in turn affected the side.
We had a hangover season, plus star player being sold, injuries to the other striker, new additions to the squad taking time to settle, some poor acquisitions and unsuitable tactics in the first half of the season.
I trust BR to put things right. I hope FSG are patient with him too. They'll probably monitor the first few games of the new season before deciding to take action if we're underperforming.
posted on 20/4/15
So, if I summarise the article it's suggesting that we simply need to redefine success and then we're all sorted.?
Brilliant.
posted on 20/4/15
comment by Manfrombelmonty (U1705)
posted 5 hours, 30 minutes ago
We can't blame the 'committee' for every poor transfer and exonerate Rodgers of blame. Rodgers says he has first and last call on all transfers. So he is responsible for our probable 90% failure rate on transfers.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes, agreed. He is responsible. He is in a responsible job and has responsibility for the abject performance I watched at Wembley yesterday.
posted on 20/4/15
comment by 4 years and 10 months to go.. (U20035)
So, if I summarise the article it's suggesting that we simply need to redefine success and then we're all sorted.?
Brilliant.
***************************************
Roy Hodgson has already successfully done this with the media wrt to the expectations for the England team.
posted on 20/4/15
I'd like him to see out his contract but.......
To be undone by one injury is poor management
Too many times we have had to change the formation during a game at least once. Why isn't it right from the start?
Often this season it has looked like they're not playing for the manager.
posted on 20/4/15
Hm....some good point for and against Rodgers made by here. Me, I am not sure yet....would like to give him one more year, but my gut says it ain't going to be a success.
However, regarding the transfers from the last couple of years. Fresh from the press, PSV Eindhoven have confirmed in the Dutch media they have given two Football clubs permission to talk to Memphis Depay about a transfer: PSG and Liverpool.
Must say I am not at all pleased about this. Don't get me wrong, the guy is a great talent. But guess what, he is a small winger. Do we really need to spend another 20-30 mill on a 1m76 little winger, when we already have the likes of St
posted on 20/4/15
Sorry, not done typing yet, see post above. But do we really need to spend money on another little winger when we have Sterling, Ibe, Lallana and Markovic? Unless we plan to sell Sterling, this doesn't make sense to me. Save your pennies, and spend it where we really need it. A proven CF, and box to box MF for starters.
posted on 20/4/15
Our objectives for the season, from the managers own mouth, not fan expectation, where CL KO's, win a trophy, and retain CL place.
We have failed/ will fail spectacularly in the first instance, to achieve any of those objectives.
A month ago the manager was talking about finishing 2nd.
You can't just blame fan expectation. That hasn't come from nowhere.
Rodgers talks at every opportunity. If you do that, you have to back it up. He hasn't done it.
He MIGHT get the start of next season to show that this was a transition, then again he might not.
The fact is with a large number of our squad leaving, the chances are next season will also be a transition, even if we don't sign that many players.
Rodgers has already talked about a title challenge again next season. What are you going to say if we are 10th after 8 games? Blame fan expectation?
posted on 20/4/15
Tim, Depay is not small nor a winger.
He is a forward, and is quite built. Look at his goal record this season.
posted on 20/4/15
5 foot 9 1/2
not big, not a midget
posted on 20/4/15
I mentioned it before he is looking to fail every single objective and that will probably get him the sack at end of season and will probably lessen the payout as well for not meeting the goals.
Yesterday was not on. I can excuse defeats to arsenal and Chelsea but not to a team that has spent a fraction to what we have.
posted on 20/4/15
If depay signs for liverpool,i'll eat my own head.
He'll be united bound if he comes to the prem.
posted on 20/4/15
Righteous
He is a winger, plays left winger for PSV in a 3 men attack. I watch the Dutch league every week being Dutch myself, so take my word for it.
And yes, he's scored plenty of goals this season...but it is the Dutch league. Plenty of strikers from the Dutch league, who did great there, fluffed it in the PL.
And he is 1m76cm. Dunno if that is not small for a Englishman, but for a Dutchman it is.
posted on 20/4/15
everyone is a little person compared to the Dutch though
you lot are giants
posted on 20/4/15
Depay will follow in the long tradition of Dutch wide forwards who end up down the middle, especially if he comes to England.
He won't sign for us anyway as mentioned elsewhere.
posted on 20/4/15
Depay won't come to us, why would he. Unless something radically changes at the club in the summer it's going to be a tough summer. Realistic targets I'd be considering would be:
Benteke- top target
Schneiderlin (possibly, he will probably want CL too)
Cabaye (likewise)
posted on 20/4/15
I'd rather go for someone proven (easy said than done) than take a risk on some young lad from the Dutch league. We already have too many of these "watch how good he will be in 2-3 years" type of players in the squad.
posted on 20/4/15
Others like aspas and Alberto just were young and can only be assumed weren't what he expected wen he got them training.
---
Just as a side note, Aspas was 26 at the start of last season.
posted on 20/4/15
Aspas and Alberto Had forgotten about them.
The more you look into our transfer policy since BR took over the more damning it becomes, so many poor buys.
posted on 20/4/15
I know Aspas is famous for his corner but what about Lovren's 40 yard shot to row Z yesterday in injury time
If there was ever a player out of his depth in a red shirt then Lovren is your man.
posted on 20/4/15
our transfers are primarily kids/prospects and lower priced (compared to the clubs above us) gambles.
I think expectation is out of joint with reality - especially since all our top targets rejected us.
There is a fair bit of delusion as to who we can actually attract.
posted on 20/4/15
Very good post OP. The declared consensus of inion within the club at the end of last season, from both Brendan and john H was that we had over-achieved. While everyone expected the loss of Luis to be big, I don't think we all realised just how big that loss was going to be. Daniel being almost permanently injured dictates, for me, that he needs to be replaced, simple as. Through no fault of his he has become someone who cannot be relied upon to perform throughout each season.
A dose of realism is exactly what we all need. What we also need is to give the club and manager more time to get it together. We will get there.
JimmyTheRed
posted on 20/4/15
Tbh, IF he's a smart kid, he would go to Liverpool. He definitely isn't ready for one of the top top teams in Europe, and he would do well to follow the footsteps of a Suarez, or an Eriksen, to go to a big club in a big competition who will fight for top 4 and CL.
For that matter, he should take a careful look at Afellay, he predecessor at PSV. That kid went from PSV to Barcelona, and now he's playing in the Greek league.
And I wouldn't mind Depay, if we sold Sterling for the right price. But hey, that is all a lot of ifs, and I would rather we concentrate on other positions.
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