Yep, pure coincidence that top four wage payers are top four in the league. Again.
Oh, hang on a minute, maybe it is related.
comment by Be A Grizzly (U2206)
posted 2 minutes ago
Yep, pure coincidence that top four wage payers are top four in the league. Again.
Oh, hang on a minute, maybe it is related.
...............
Related, maybe. The be all and end all of it, no. There are other factors.
It's not the only factor but it's the most accurate gauge to show where you 'should be'
Right now the Manchester clubs are underperforming (most would agree with that), and Arsenal are overperforming compared to expectation (again, in line with general consensus at the start of the season)
Most people thought, with Sturridge fit, we'd have a real fight on our hands to retain our top 4 status. That looks accurate now as well.
it does fit quite tidily
It's not the only factor but it's the most accurate gauge to show where you 'should be'
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Not really. You were very close to being first last season.
It is the most accurate indicator of where you should be, but it's still not that accurate.
We have failed on all objectives this season.
If Rodgers feels we don't pay enough wages to achieve them, then set different objectives.
He has mentioned often that we want to finish top 4 and win a trophy.
Don't say it if you don't think you can do it.
I think we could have done it had Studge not been permanently crocked this season
I like a manager to have ambition.
How well would he have been received if he said "we will finish outside the top four" ? Even though that is realistic, he would have been slaughtered for it.
League position isn't based on how much you spent.
Wenger managed to retain 4th each year despite a negative net spend, as much as everyone laughed at '4th place Arsenal'.
City spent loads more than Chelsea this season, they're 4th.
Whatever way you cut it, we spent £100m plus this season, and the manager is involved in choosing all players (his own words). Top managers get squads performing beyond expectation. Rodgers has not lived up to expectations this season
comment by Ehrmantraut (U9092)
posted 19 seconds ago
"League position isn't based on how much you spent."
No, but it appears to be massively influenced by how much you spend on wages
comment by Be A Grizzly (U2206)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Ehrmantraut (U9092)
posted 19 seconds ago
"League position isn't based on how much you spent."
No, but it appears to be massively influenced by how much you spend on wages
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It isn't the only factor though. Arsenal have a lower wage bill than Utd and City and are above them, City have the highest and are 4th
How those wages are spent, i.e. what players we bought is relevant. And Rodgers bought badly. The wages being spent on the likes of Balotelli, Borini, Alberto, Aspas, Ilori could be somewhere else.
And the ability of the manager. Dortmund certainly didn't have the highest wages in Germany under Klopp when they won the league, Atleti under Simeone.
first year of Rodgers we underperformed
second we overrperformed
third looks just right (including losing our best player for the entire season)
unless you were completely deluded to start with, I can't understand what the huuuuge problem is that requires a managerial overhaul.
unless you're just upset about a bad result and are throwing toys out of the pram
I dunno. The players have to take some grief as well. We've passed the ball badly all season. He can't MAKE the lads show bottle and their quality. Again, though, it's fine lines.
Let's be realistic. Liverpool FC can't afford to attract the players or pay these players over the top wages compared to four other clubs in our League. That's just the fact of the matter.
I fully believe we could spend more on wages personally. In fact I know we could.
Saying money doesn't effect league positions is deluded! You might have a surprise every couple of years with a Liverpool getting second or Everton getting 4th, but the average league standings matches up with money spent by teams on players, and their wages!
just to rub salt in the wound, our 'horrible, useless scouts' made Costa our main target a year before Chelsea got him and Sanchez our top target this year.
One launched Chelsea into an uncatchable lead by xmas and nailed on title now, the other the best player by a mile in the side in second.
Our scouts are useless! Useless I tells ya!
Kaisers.
Surely the problem does not lie with your scouts, but whoever ignored the scout reports.
what mind altering substances are you on VC
they listened to the scouts. tried to buy the players.
the players said no when we asked them to come
that's our reality
Surely the scouts found the best 2 players from the top 2 teams before they did...then they have done their job?
And its whoevers job it is to get them signed that are useless?
Or am I missing a massive chunk of sarcastic because I didn't read all the comments in the thread??
"And its whoevers job it is to get them signed that are useless?"
no, we just got rejected by the players is all
we're already on the wrong side of FFP We got away with it (much to the annoyance of others) because our spending on wages was headed in the right direction
and to be completely honest, we'd have to absolutely blow the wages being offered by regular CL sides / title favourites out of the water (for lots of players regularly) to even have a chance. That's how City and Chelsea managed to do it.
The only chance we have under the new rules is to buy young and buy risky players, build over time and try and increase revenue.
Long term project. Quick fixes have been outlawed.
comment by The Kaiser's Trainers (U5676)
posted 22 minutes ago
"And its whoevers job it is to get them signed that are useless?"
no, we just got rejected by the players is all
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So how is that the scouts fault.
A premier league scouts job is to find world class players...they found Costa & Sanchez.
Scout hands names to (insert whoever handles transfer fee & contract negotiations)
Scouts job done.
ah sorry, I was being sarcastic about our scouts being useless. It was a common criticism so I thought I'd mention the reality.
sorry
we're already on the wrong side of FFP We got away with it (much to the annoyance of others) because our spending on wages was headed in the right direction
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We were investigated and passed. Part of that was to do with monies written off for Stanley Park. The club is minted.
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posted on 20/4/15
Yep, pure coincidence that top four wage payers are top four in the league. Again.
Oh, hang on a minute, maybe it is related.
posted on 20/4/15
comment by Be A Grizzly (U2206)
posted 2 minutes ago
Yep, pure coincidence that top four wage payers are top four in the league. Again.
Oh, hang on a minute, maybe it is related.
...............
Related, maybe. The be all and end all of it, no. There are other factors.
posted on 20/4/15
It's not the only factor but it's the most accurate gauge to show where you 'should be'
Right now the Manchester clubs are underperforming (most would agree with that), and Arsenal are overperforming compared to expectation (again, in line with general consensus at the start of the season)
Most people thought, with Sturridge fit, we'd have a real fight on our hands to retain our top 4 status. That looks accurate now as well.
it does fit quite tidily
posted on 20/4/15
It's not the only factor but it's the most accurate gauge to show where you 'should be'
.....................
Not really. You were very close to being first last season.
posted on 20/4/15
It is the most accurate indicator of where you should be, but it's still not that accurate.
We have failed on all objectives this season.
If Rodgers feels we don't pay enough wages to achieve them, then set different objectives.
He has mentioned often that we want to finish top 4 and win a trophy.
Don't say it if you don't think you can do it.
posted on 20/4/15
I think we could have done it had Studge not been permanently crocked this season
posted on 20/4/15
I like a manager to have ambition.
How well would he have been received if he said "we will finish outside the top four" ? Even though that is realistic, he would have been slaughtered for it.
posted on 20/4/15
League position isn't based on how much you spent.
Wenger managed to retain 4th each year despite a negative net spend, as much as everyone laughed at '4th place Arsenal'.
City spent loads more than Chelsea this season, they're 4th.
Whatever way you cut it, we spent £100m plus this season, and the manager is involved in choosing all players (his own words). Top managers get squads performing beyond expectation. Rodgers has not lived up to expectations this season
posted on 20/4/15
comment by Ehrmantraut (U9092)
posted 19 seconds ago
"League position isn't based on how much you spent."
No, but it appears to be massively influenced by how much you spend on wages
posted on 20/4/15
comment by Be A Grizzly (U2206)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Ehrmantraut (U9092)
posted 19 seconds ago
"League position isn't based on how much you spent."
No, but it appears to be massively influenced by how much you spend on wages
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It isn't the only factor though. Arsenal have a lower wage bill than Utd and City and are above them, City have the highest and are 4th
How those wages are spent, i.e. what players we bought is relevant. And Rodgers bought badly. The wages being spent on the likes of Balotelli, Borini, Alberto, Aspas, Ilori could be somewhere else.
And the ability of the manager. Dortmund certainly didn't have the highest wages in Germany under Klopp when they won the league, Atleti under Simeone.
posted on 20/4/15
first year of Rodgers we underperformed
second we overrperformed
third looks just right (including losing our best player for the entire season)
unless you were completely deluded to start with, I can't understand what the huuuuge problem is that requires a managerial overhaul.
unless you're just upset about a bad result and are throwing toys out of the pram
posted on 20/4/15
I dunno. The players have to take some grief as well. We've passed the ball badly all season. He can't MAKE the lads show bottle and their quality. Again, though, it's fine lines.
posted on 20/4/15
Let's be realistic. Liverpool FC can't afford to attract the players or pay these players over the top wages compared to four other clubs in our League. That's just the fact of the matter.
posted on 20/4/15
I fully believe we could spend more on wages personally. In fact I know we could.
posted on 20/4/15
Saying money doesn't effect league positions is deluded! You might have a surprise every couple of years with a Liverpool getting second or Everton getting 4th, but the average league standings matches up with money spent by teams on players, and their wages!
posted on 20/4/15
just to rub salt in the wound, our 'horrible, useless scouts' made Costa our main target a year before Chelsea got him and Sanchez our top target this year.
One launched Chelsea into an uncatchable lead by xmas and nailed on title now, the other the best player by a mile in the side in second.
Our scouts are useless! Useless I tells ya!
posted on 20/4/15
Kaisers.
Surely the problem does not lie with your scouts, but whoever ignored the scout reports.
posted on 20/4/15
what mind altering substances are you on VC
they listened to the scouts. tried to buy the players.
the players said no when we asked them to come
that's our reality
posted on 20/4/15
Surely the scouts found the best 2 players from the top 2 teams before they did...then they have done their job?
And its whoevers job it is to get them signed that are useless?
Or am I missing a massive chunk of sarcastic because I didn't read all the comments in the thread??
posted on 20/4/15
"And its whoevers job it is to get them signed that are useless?"
no, we just got rejected by the players is all
posted on 20/4/15
Pay them more.
posted on 20/4/15
we're already on the wrong side of FFP We got away with it (much to the annoyance of others) because our spending on wages was headed in the right direction
and to be completely honest, we'd have to absolutely blow the wages being offered by regular CL sides / title favourites out of the water (for lots of players regularly) to even have a chance. That's how City and Chelsea managed to do it.
The only chance we have under the new rules is to buy young and buy risky players, build over time and try and increase revenue.
Long term project. Quick fixes have been outlawed.
posted on 20/4/15
comment by The Kaiser's Trainers (U5676)
posted 22 minutes ago
"And its whoevers job it is to get them signed that are useless?"
no, we just got rejected by the players is all
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So how is that the scouts fault.
A premier league scouts job is to find world class players...they found Costa & Sanchez.
Scout hands names to (insert whoever handles transfer fee & contract negotiations)
Scouts job done.
posted on 20/4/15
ah sorry, I was being sarcastic about our scouts being useless. It was a common criticism so I thought I'd mention the reality.
sorry
posted on 20/4/15
we're already on the wrong side of FFP We got away with it (much to the annoyance of others) because our spending on wages was headed in the right direction
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We were investigated and passed. Part of that was to do with monies written off for Stanley Park. The club is minted.
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