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I am struggling to understand what Roonited is trying to say myself. 9/11 had nothing to do with the invasion of Iraq so I fail to see how it was a catalyst.
I haven't read this thread - nor the comments but I believe that we could start to tackle some of these issues by doing and/or accepting the following:
- Control your borders (who's coming in and going out)
- You can't change ideologies with warfare)
- controlled immigration is not racism
- if you move to another country then you must respect the beliefs and laws of the land
That's about it - if we adhere to the above then we'll start making some solid progress.
Unfortunately, we have a country that thinks controlling borders and celebrating your own national identity is unacceptable.
in 100 years, they'll look back at those people and shake their heads in disbelief.
comment by roonited (U11635)
posted 22 minutes ago
Was it ? I think most people would say yes
why was it ? I can't answer that one
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That shows you how powerful the media and the govt are to completely ignore the sponsors of 9/11 and attack a country that did nothing
Relax lads
A lot of change happened in the ME following that event. That's not me linking Saddam to the attack
Ok
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by roonited (U11635)
posted 22 minutes ago
Was it ? I think most people would say yes
why was it ? I can't answer that one
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That shows you how powerful the media and the govt are to completely ignore the sponsors of 9/11 and attack a country that did nothing
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Everyone knows this MUDD but I wonder why roonited doesn't want to accept that people were manipulated into supporting an invasion under false pretenses that it had something to do with 911.
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comment by roonited (U11635)
posted 51 seconds ago
Relax lads
A lot of change happened in the ME following that event. That's not me linking Saddam to the attack
Ok
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What change happened in the ME following 9/11?
Afghanistan is not in the ME
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 4 minutes ago
I haven't read this thread - nor the comments but I believe that we could start to tackle some of these issues by doing and/or accepting the following:
- Control your borders (who's coming in and going out)
- You can't change ideologies with warfare)
- controlled immigration is not racism
- if you move to another country then you must respect the beliefs and laws of the land
That's about it - if we adhere to the above then we'll start making some solid progress.
Unfortunately, we have a country that thinks controlling borders and celebrating your own national identity is unacceptable.
in 100 years, they'll look back at those people and shake their heads in disbelief.
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You make some interesting points I agree with but spoil it with the second to last paragraph.
No one has stopped Brits from celebrating being "British"
This really is guff with no evidence to support it whatsoever.
Regarding the control of its borders, we control our borders for people outside the EU, the EU we have no control over, this is the same for every EU member.
I would like to say however when you bomb people's homes and they have nowhere to live, they become refugees or seek asylum. Then, what happens?
I am sure you see where I am going now
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by roonited (U11635)
posted 51 seconds ago
Relax lads
A lot of change happened in the ME following that event. That's not me linking Saddam to the attack
Ok
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What change happened in the ME following 9/11?
Afghanistan is not in the ME
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Mudd did I say Afghanistan is in the ME
comment by roonited (U11635)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by roonited (U11635)
posted 51 seconds ago
Relax lads
A lot of change happened in the ME following that event. That's not me linking Saddam to the attack
Ok
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What change happened in the ME following 9/11?
Afghanistan is not in the ME
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Mudd did I say Afghanistan is in the ME
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So, what change happened in the ME after 9/11 then?
You make some interesting points I agree with but spoil it with the second to last paragraph.
No one has stopped Brits from celebrating being "British"
This really is guff with no evidence to support it whatsoever.
Regarding the control of its borders, we control our borders for people outside the EU, the EU we have no control over, this is the same for every EU member.
I would like to say however when you bomb people's homes and they have nowhere to live, they become refugees or seek asylum. Then, what happens?
I am sure you see where I am going now
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There are countless examples of people being told they can't wear crucifixes in the workplace, can't hang the St George flag - I don't think I need to reference them as they're usually well reported.
In fact a few months ago, a Labour MP took a photograph of a house draped in St George Flags and posted it on social media to belittle the it - Needless to say, she was shot down in flames and criticised in the political arenas (and rightly so)
For you to say it's 'guff' is unacceptable.
I'm fully aware of the EU membership and it's open door policy - this is what I allude to - they still bring in different ideologies.
I'm not suggesting we bomb peoples homes either - that's another argument all together.
I respect your views but disagree with many of them.
Mudd you posted an article about extremism that's gone off on tangents during the course of it. Now I don't have any agenda except an interest in whats hsppening . I'm not an expert by any means and certainly wouldn't have your knowledge on it.
It's a complicated situation and I don't want to say anything that offends you or anyone else.
Ial get back to the safety of football banter
Cheers
There are countless examples of people being told they can't wear crucifixes in the workplace, can't hang the St George flag - I don't think I need to reference them as they're usually well reported.
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That is being done by our good friends the atheists. Muslims also face the same discrimination of clothes they wear. You can hang the St Georges flag anywhere you want. The story in the papers about the pub was debunked as guff. People were draping St Georges flags during the world cup and their cars ffs
In fact a few months ago, a Labour MP took a photograph of a house draped in St George Flags and posted it on social media to belittle the it - Needless to say, she was shot down in flames and criticised in the political arenas (and rightly so)
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You ignored the white Van in the picture as well. If she was shot down, how then is the van owner not allowed to be British? He actually got publicity and made a few bob from it and the politician again was making the point from an elitist position.
You can disagree with my views, that is fine but post facts backed up with evidence. Feelings or that story I heard from Bob down the lane help no one and cause more problems.
It is the same with the immigration and benefits debate, a lot of the stuff in the public is guff not backed up with facts.
If we are going to make accusations about people not being allowed to express their nationality, you need to show me policies to that effect.
Anything else is guff
comment by roonited (U11635)
posted 26 seconds ago
Mudd you posted an article about extremism that's gone off on tangents during the course of it. Now I don't have any agenda except an interest in whats hsppening . I'm not an expert by any means and certainly wouldn't have your knowledge on it.
It's a complicated situation and I don't want to say anything that offends you or anyone else.
Ial get back to the safety of football banter
Cheers
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I am not offended by anything, I like to engage in debate which is why I was asking you how the ME changed?
The only thing that irritates me is how we dehumanise people when we commit atrocities against them.
That is my issue. We are being force fed propaganda and we should resist it
Agree with the article about the media. They are irresponsible, stupid and definitely play into the terrorists hands. They love making heroes out of horrible people, which is less than helpful.
Interesting quote from the MI5 lady, and there's obviously some truth to it, but please don't think that Islamic extremism didn't exist before 9/11. There have been several terrorists atrocities committed by Islamic fundamentalists over the years, so it's not all our fault.
I've heard that Islam has not developed as fully as Christianity as it started 600 or so years later, so maybe they're having their crusades of sorts now?
I remember speaking to a Muslim friend back in '91 and I was asking him about religion and beliefs and he said that the whole world must become Muslim and it was prophesied. He seemed almost guilty when he said that but he was just reciting what he'd been taught by his Saudi/Wahhabi father. He then went on to tell me that he believed I was going to hell. Nice guy, but when I dug deeper his belief's (not him) were pretty nasty. I've had other experiences over the years which don't paint a pretty Islamic picture once you dig beneath a nice exterior. Therefore, my opinion is not favourable towards Islam (I realise some do charity work and other good things that their religion instructs them to, which is positive).
One final point: when I go to France I want to see French people, French heritage, when I go to Germany I want the same and when I go to an English national park, as I did yesterday, I was disappointed to see a 50/50 split of Muslims to others, many of whom weren't communicating in English. Playing in the playground with my daughter was like being in a foreign country and I didn't like that. If that makes me racist then so be it, but I don't want our country to allow people in who possess an ideology which diametrically opposes our own, who in some cases sympathise or justify the actions of barbaric terrorists by pointing to our foreign policy.
"I've heard that Islam has not developed as fully as Christianity as it started 600 or so years later, so maybe they're having their crusades of sorts now?"
I am in fact Christian-ish and I was telling my friend who is also a christian the exact same thing the other day although he seems to believe that all that stuff that was done in those days was for the good of the faith therefore justified in some way. All religions evolve at least I know Christianity has which is why I included the -ish in my first sentence. The Christianity I practice isn't the same that my parents practiced. In fact we are far apart in so many things.
comment by General (U11002)
posted 37 minutes ago
Agree with the article about the media. They are irresponsible, stupid and definitely play into the terrorists hands. They love making heroes out of horrible people, which is less than helpful.
Interesting quote from the MI5 lady, and there's obviously some truth to it, but please don't think that Islamic extremism didn't exist before 9/11. There have been several terrorists atrocities committed by Islamic fundamentalists over the years, so it's not all our fault.
I've heard that Islam has not developed as fully as Christianity as it started 600 or so years later, so maybe they're having their crusades of sorts now?
I remember speaking to a Muslim friend back in '91 and I was asking him about religion and beliefs and he said that the whole world must become Muslim and it was prophesied. He seemed almost guilty when he said that but he was just reciting what he'd been taught by his Saudi/Wahhabi father. He then went on to tell me that he believed I was going to hell. Nice guy, but when I dug deeper his belief's (not him) were pretty nasty. I've had other experiences over the years which don't paint a pretty Islamic picture once you dig beneath a nice exterior. Therefore, my opinion is not favourable towards Islam (I realise some do charity work and other good things that their religion instructs them to, which is positive).
One final point: when I go to France I want to see French people, French heritage, when I go to Germany I want the same and when I go to an English national park, as I did yesterday, I was disappointed to see a 50/50 split of Muslims to others, many of whom weren't communicating in English. Playing in the playground with my daughter was like being in a foreign country and I didn't like that. If that makes me racist then so be it, but I don't want our country to allow people in who possess an ideology which diametrically opposes our own, who in some cases sympathise or justify the actions of barbaric terrorists by pointing to our foreign policy.
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This
If you wish to make a life in this country integrate, don't live in ghettos and try on change the rest of the population to your ways and beliefs.
With globalization you two are very likely to live a very frustrated life. Also you can't expect people to just change their ways and behave like Englishmen just because they live there. I doubt any of those people are making any effort to change you to your ways either. Live and let live, it has always been the way to go.
Well said General.
I lived in Brixton,then Hounslow,and near Heathrow and often it was rare to see white English,for want of a better term,and as you say,when you go to a country you expect to see people from that country,and when the mix is altered quickly,and in huge numbers,tensions will arise,and folk will be racist,racialist,nationalistic,radicalised etc.
Many mates lived in London,and have come back to peaceful Belfast,or gone to outer Landan,to bring up families,and that is happening all over England now,thus creating a ghetto society,sadly.
wumpatrol
Thanks for naming me earlier,and accusing me of absolving the west,even though I do not.
Read my posts to see I was opposed to Blair and Bush,Iraq,Kabul,Libya etc as they were not our problem,to be parochial.
No doubt foreign policy and bombing Iraq has led to extremism,even though Saddam,the Taliban and Gadaffi,Assad and co. were not nice guys, and prone to gassing their own people,for example.
I have also pointed to wahhism and the fact that from early on,islam and crusaders clashed,muslim turks wiped out Armenian's in the 1940's,and tourists,along with western armed forces were targeted before 9/11,in the 90's.
Weird how some muslim nutters in the UK are only into what happens to their own,even if their own are in a state thousands of miles away,and religion plays no role,allegedly.
It would be natural for someone born and bred in London to feel English or British,but muslim solidarity trumps this card,too often,and why is this?
Of course,muslim's are not all isis devil's,and muslim's are good citizen's,but there are significant numbers globally,who want to rule and dictate to the rest of us.led by drugged up jihadi's,hell bent on raping,murdering and controlling land and people.
How do we counter isis and boko haram,is the question,and if the actual people who live in the isis target zones cannot cope,do we let islamists run riot,even if Blair and Bush did mess up?
Personally,I say keep out their inter muslim wars,and focus on local muslim extremists,taking away passports from jihadi gangsta wannabees,preventing Saudi wahhibi bigotry spreading,and creating a peaceful UK for all,in a liberal free land,not a mini-ghetto caliphate nation.
Peace be with you.
Wum
It is natural for people to seek their own kind,and that is what we all do,no matter what we pretend,and globalisation is not always a positive,as people lose identity,community and well being in themselves..........you think black,asian,chinese,areas just happen by chance?
As General was honest enough to say,when we go to France,we expect to see French people and culture,and this applies to Jamaica,India,Germany,England,Scotland,Wales and Eire.
Irish people who are friendly and easy going are now feeling agitated by immigration,as locals have to leave,and those behind see eastern European's,African's and muslim's moving in.
Now we all know that Brit's and paddies have wandered the globe,but we still want to feel that home is home,and so do the native people in every land.
Feeling swamped or alien is not the preserve of the pale face either,as south Africa witnesses attacks on African's,from outside,just to provide a non-Daily Mail scenario.
We tend to look after our own,and feel comfortable this way,whilst welcoming and mixing with everyone,regardless of class,creed or colour.
When demographics change dramatically,so will the sense of well being,for all concerned.
This will progress,and in the future,it may not matter what anyone is,but that may be part due to lack of social and communal feeling,individualism in effect,rather than multi-cultural development.
The British and Irish are among the most tolerant and easy going people on earth,and when many say they feel worried and uneasy with how the world is,it is time to listen,imo.
Muslim extremism has no place in our society,just as we rejected racism and religious intolerance,ages ago,for the majority at least.
comment by Harrys accountant (U1141)
posted 1 hour, 28 minutes ago
comment by General (U11002)
posted 37 minutes ago
Agree with the article about the media. They are irresponsible, stupid and definitely play into the terrorists hands. They love making heroes out of horrible people, which is less than helpful.
Interesting quote from the MI5 lady, and there's obviously some truth to it, but please don't think that Islamic extremism didn't exist before 9/11. There have been several terrorists atrocities committed by Islamic fundamentalists over the years, so it's not all our fault.
I've heard that Islam has not developed as fully as Christianity as it started 600 or so years later, so maybe they're having their crusades of sorts now?
I remember speaking to a Muslim friend back in '91 and I was asking him about religion and beliefs and he said that the whole world must become Muslim and it was prophesied. He seemed almost guilty when he said that but he was just reciting what he'd been taught by his Saudi/Wahhabi father. He then went on to tell me that he believed I was going to hell. Nice guy, but when I dug deeper his belief's (not him) were pretty nasty. I've had other experiences over the years which don't paint a pretty Islamic picture once you dig beneath a nice exterior. Therefore, my opinion is not favourable towards Islam (I realise some do charity work and other good things that their religion instructs them to, which is positive).
One final point: when I go to France I want to see French people, French heritage, when I go to Germany I want the same and when I go to an English national park, as I did yesterday, I was disappointed to see a 50/50 split of Muslims to others, many of whom weren't communicating in English. Playing in the playground with my daughter was like being in a foreign country and I didn't like that. If that makes me racist then so be it, but I don't want our country to allow people in who possess an ideology which diametrically opposes our own, who in some cases sympathise or justify the actions of barbaric terrorists by pointing to our foreign policy.
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If you wish to make a life in this country integrate, don't live in ghettos and try on change the rest of the population to your ways and beliefs.
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Do you honestly believe people come here hoping to live in ghettos? What a silly statement
Regarding the colour of people playing in the park, would you prefer white pedophiles were in the park to satisfy your colour requirements?
The comment does not make you racist, it makes you sad that all you see is the colour of a human being.
Tragic really
Mudd
I actually agreed with your earlier posts,about keeping out of foreign wars,taking passports from jihadi tools from here,and countering Saudi wahhism,but why refer to white kiddy fiddlers,in response to an honest post.
It may be wrong,racist,sad,but it is how someone feels,and he has the balls and honesty to say what many think.
Asian and black people also have us and them feelings,but rarely get highlighted,as we are too busy hating whitey.
As for ghettos,it is possible for people to live in areas such as Hounslow or Southall,and be much better off than white English in Grimsby,but that does not fit the agenda.............Asian people live together because they want too,as do all groups,classes,creeds and people.
Mudd
Sad to see two Spanish bikers die in the USA.
Good to see Rossi doing well at the MotoGP though.
Are you a biker/petrolhead?
I was a biker,and last Monday spun my BMW M3 car on the motorway into Belfast,and smashed the rear end badly.
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posted on 20/7/15
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posted on 20/7/15
I am struggling to understand what Roonited is trying to say myself. 9/11 had nothing to do with the invasion of Iraq so I fail to see how it was a catalyst.
posted on 20/7/15
I haven't read this thread - nor the comments but I believe that we could start to tackle some of these issues by doing and/or accepting the following:
- Control your borders (who's coming in and going out)
- You can't change ideologies with warfare)
- controlled immigration is not racism
- if you move to another country then you must respect the beliefs and laws of the land
That's about it - if we adhere to the above then we'll start making some solid progress.
Unfortunately, we have a country that thinks controlling borders and celebrating your own national identity is unacceptable.
in 100 years, they'll look back at those people and shake their heads in disbelief.
posted on 20/7/15
comment by roonited (U11635)
posted 22 minutes ago
Was it ? I think most people would say yes
why was it ? I can't answer that one
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That shows you how powerful the media and the govt are to completely ignore the sponsors of 9/11 and attack a country that did nothing
posted on 20/7/15
Relax lads
A lot of change happened in the ME following that event. That's not me linking Saddam to the attack
Ok
posted on 20/7/15
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by roonited (U11635)
posted 22 minutes ago
Was it ? I think most people would say yes
why was it ? I can't answer that one
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That shows you how powerful the media and the govt are to completely ignore the sponsors of 9/11 and attack a country that did nothing
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Everyone knows this MUDD but I wonder why roonited doesn't want to accept that people were manipulated into supporting an invasion under false pretenses that it had something to do with 911.
posted on 20/7/15
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posted on 20/7/15
comment by roonited (U11635)
posted 51 seconds ago
Relax lads
A lot of change happened in the ME following that event. That's not me linking Saddam to the attack
Ok
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What change happened in the ME following 9/11?
Afghanistan is not in the ME
posted on 20/7/15
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 4 minutes ago
I haven't read this thread - nor the comments but I believe that we could start to tackle some of these issues by doing and/or accepting the following:
- Control your borders (who's coming in and going out)
- You can't change ideologies with warfare)
- controlled immigration is not racism
- if you move to another country then you must respect the beliefs and laws of the land
That's about it - if we adhere to the above then we'll start making some solid progress.
Unfortunately, we have a country that thinks controlling borders and celebrating your own national identity is unacceptable.
in 100 years, they'll look back at those people and shake their heads in disbelief.
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You make some interesting points I agree with but spoil it with the second to last paragraph.
No one has stopped Brits from celebrating being "British"
This really is guff with no evidence to support it whatsoever.
Regarding the control of its borders, we control our borders for people outside the EU, the EU we have no control over, this is the same for every EU member.
I would like to say however when you bomb people's homes and they have nowhere to live, they become refugees or seek asylum. Then, what happens?
I am sure you see where I am going now
posted on 20/7/15
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by roonited (U11635)
posted 51 seconds ago
Relax lads
A lot of change happened in the ME following that event. That's not me linking Saddam to the attack
Ok
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What change happened in the ME following 9/11?
Afghanistan is not in the ME
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Mudd did I say Afghanistan is in the ME
posted on 20/7/15
comment by roonited (U11635)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by roonited (U11635)
posted 51 seconds ago
Relax lads
A lot of change happened in the ME following that event. That's not me linking Saddam to the attack
Ok
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What change happened in the ME following 9/11?
Afghanistan is not in the ME
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Mudd did I say Afghanistan is in the ME
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So, what change happened in the ME after 9/11 then?
posted on 20/7/15
You make some interesting points I agree with but spoil it with the second to last paragraph.
No one has stopped Brits from celebrating being "British"
This really is guff with no evidence to support it whatsoever.
Regarding the control of its borders, we control our borders for people outside the EU, the EU we have no control over, this is the same for every EU member.
I would like to say however when you bomb people's homes and they have nowhere to live, they become refugees or seek asylum. Then, what happens?
I am sure you see where I am going now
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There are countless examples of people being told they can't wear crucifixes in the workplace, can't hang the St George flag - I don't think I need to reference them as they're usually well reported.
In fact a few months ago, a Labour MP took a photograph of a house draped in St George Flags and posted it on social media to belittle the it - Needless to say, she was shot down in flames and criticised in the political arenas (and rightly so)
For you to say it's 'guff' is unacceptable.
I'm fully aware of the EU membership and it's open door policy - this is what I allude to - they still bring in different ideologies.
I'm not suggesting we bomb peoples homes either - that's another argument all together.
I respect your views but disagree with many of them.
posted on 20/7/15
Mudd you posted an article about extremism that's gone off on tangents during the course of it. Now I don't have any agenda except an interest in whats hsppening . I'm not an expert by any means and certainly wouldn't have your knowledge on it.
It's a complicated situation and I don't want to say anything that offends you or anyone else.
Ial get back to the safety of football banter
Cheers
posted on 20/7/15
There are countless examples of people being told they can't wear crucifixes in the workplace, can't hang the St George flag - I don't think I need to reference them as they're usually well reported.
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That is being done by our good friends the atheists. Muslims also face the same discrimination of clothes they wear. You can hang the St Georges flag anywhere you want. The story in the papers about the pub was debunked as guff. People were draping St Georges flags during the world cup and their cars ffs
In fact a few months ago, a Labour MP took a photograph of a house draped in St George Flags and posted it on social media to belittle the it - Needless to say, she was shot down in flames and criticised in the political arenas (and rightly so)
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You ignored the white Van in the picture as well. If she was shot down, how then is the van owner not allowed to be British? He actually got publicity and made a few bob from it and the politician again was making the point from an elitist position.
You can disagree with my views, that is fine but post facts backed up with evidence. Feelings or that story I heard from Bob down the lane help no one and cause more problems.
It is the same with the immigration and benefits debate, a lot of the stuff in the public is guff not backed up with facts.
If we are going to make accusations about people not being allowed to express their nationality, you need to show me policies to that effect.
Anything else is guff
posted on 20/7/15
comment by roonited (U11635)
posted 26 seconds ago
Mudd you posted an article about extremism that's gone off on tangents during the course of it. Now I don't have any agenda except an interest in whats hsppening . I'm not an expert by any means and certainly wouldn't have your knowledge on it.
It's a complicated situation and I don't want to say anything that offends you or anyone else.
Ial get back to the safety of football banter
Cheers
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I am not offended by anything, I like to engage in debate which is why I was asking you how the ME changed?
The only thing that irritates me is how we dehumanise people when we commit atrocities against them.
That is my issue. We are being force fed propaganda and we should resist it
posted on 20/7/15
Agree with the article about the media. They are irresponsible, stupid and definitely play into the terrorists hands. They love making heroes out of horrible people, which is less than helpful.
Interesting quote from the MI5 lady, and there's obviously some truth to it, but please don't think that Islamic extremism didn't exist before 9/11. There have been several terrorists atrocities committed by Islamic fundamentalists over the years, so it's not all our fault.
I've heard that Islam has not developed as fully as Christianity as it started 600 or so years later, so maybe they're having their crusades of sorts now?
I remember speaking to a Muslim friend back in '91 and I was asking him about religion and beliefs and he said that the whole world must become Muslim and it was prophesied. He seemed almost guilty when he said that but he was just reciting what he'd been taught by his Saudi/Wahhabi father. He then went on to tell me that he believed I was going to hell. Nice guy, but when I dug deeper his belief's (not him) were pretty nasty. I've had other experiences over the years which don't paint a pretty Islamic picture once you dig beneath a nice exterior. Therefore, my opinion is not favourable towards Islam (I realise some do charity work and other good things that their religion instructs them to, which is positive).
One final point: when I go to France I want to see French people, French heritage, when I go to Germany I want the same and when I go to an English national park, as I did yesterday, I was disappointed to see a 50/50 split of Muslims to others, many of whom weren't communicating in English. Playing in the playground with my daughter was like being in a foreign country and I didn't like that. If that makes me racist then so be it, but I don't want our country to allow people in who possess an ideology which diametrically opposes our own, who in some cases sympathise or justify the actions of barbaric terrorists by pointing to our foreign policy.
posted on 20/7/15
"I've heard that Islam has not developed as fully as Christianity as it started 600 or so years later, so maybe they're having their crusades of sorts now?"
I am in fact Christian-ish and I was telling my friend who is also a christian the exact same thing the other day although he seems to believe that all that stuff that was done in those days was for the good of the faith therefore justified in some way. All religions evolve at least I know Christianity has which is why I included the -ish in my first sentence. The Christianity I practice isn't the same that my parents practiced. In fact we are far apart in so many things.
posted on 20/7/15
comment by General (U11002)
posted 37 minutes ago
Agree with the article about the media. They are irresponsible, stupid and definitely play into the terrorists hands. They love making heroes out of horrible people, which is less than helpful.
Interesting quote from the MI5 lady, and there's obviously some truth to it, but please don't think that Islamic extremism didn't exist before 9/11. There have been several terrorists atrocities committed by Islamic fundamentalists over the years, so it's not all our fault.
I've heard that Islam has not developed as fully as Christianity as it started 600 or so years later, so maybe they're having their crusades of sorts now?
I remember speaking to a Muslim friend back in '91 and I was asking him about religion and beliefs and he said that the whole world must become Muslim and it was prophesied. He seemed almost guilty when he said that but he was just reciting what he'd been taught by his Saudi/Wahhabi father. He then went on to tell me that he believed I was going to hell. Nice guy, but when I dug deeper his belief's (not him) were pretty nasty. I've had other experiences over the years which don't paint a pretty Islamic picture once you dig beneath a nice exterior. Therefore, my opinion is not favourable towards Islam (I realise some do charity work and other good things that their religion instructs them to, which is positive).
One final point: when I go to France I want to see French people, French heritage, when I go to Germany I want the same and when I go to an English national park, as I did yesterday, I was disappointed to see a 50/50 split of Muslims to others, many of whom weren't communicating in English. Playing in the playground with my daughter was like being in a foreign country and I didn't like that. If that makes me racist then so be it, but I don't want our country to allow people in who possess an ideology which diametrically opposes our own, who in some cases sympathise or justify the actions of barbaric terrorists by pointing to our foreign policy.
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If you wish to make a life in this country integrate, don't live in ghettos and try on change the rest of the population to your ways and beliefs.
posted on 20/7/15
With globalization you two are very likely to live a very frustrated life. Also you can't expect people to just change their ways and behave like Englishmen just because they live there. I doubt any of those people are making any effort to change you to your ways either. Live and let live, it has always been the way to go.
posted on 20/7/15
Well said General.
I lived in Brixton,then Hounslow,and near Heathrow and often it was rare to see white English,for want of a better term,and as you say,when you go to a country you expect to see people from that country,and when the mix is altered quickly,and in huge numbers,tensions will arise,and folk will be racist,racialist,nationalistic,radicalised etc.
Many mates lived in London,and have come back to peaceful Belfast,or gone to outer Landan,to bring up families,and that is happening all over England now,thus creating a ghetto society,sadly.
posted on 20/7/15
wumpatrol
Thanks for naming me earlier,and accusing me of absolving the west,even though I do not.
Read my posts to see I was opposed to Blair and Bush,Iraq,Kabul,Libya etc as they were not our problem,to be parochial.
No doubt foreign policy and bombing Iraq has led to extremism,even though Saddam,the Taliban and Gadaffi,Assad and co. were not nice guys, and prone to gassing their own people,for example.
I have also pointed to wahhism and the fact that from early on,islam and crusaders clashed,muslim turks wiped out Armenian's in the 1940's,and tourists,along with western armed forces were targeted before 9/11,in the 90's.
Weird how some muslim nutters in the UK are only into what happens to their own,even if their own are in a state thousands of miles away,and religion plays no role,allegedly.
It would be natural for someone born and bred in London to feel English or British,but muslim solidarity trumps this card,too often,and why is this?
Of course,muslim's are not all isis devil's,and muslim's are good citizen's,but there are significant numbers globally,who want to rule and dictate to the rest of us.led by drugged up jihadi's,hell bent on raping,murdering and controlling land and people.
How do we counter isis and boko haram,is the question,and if the actual people who live in the isis target zones cannot cope,do we let islamists run riot,even if Blair and Bush did mess up?
Personally,I say keep out their inter muslim wars,and focus on local muslim extremists,taking away passports from jihadi gangsta wannabees,preventing Saudi wahhibi bigotry spreading,and creating a peaceful UK for all,in a liberal free land,not a mini-ghetto caliphate nation.
Peace be with you.
posted on 20/7/15
Wum
It is natural for people to seek their own kind,and that is what we all do,no matter what we pretend,and globalisation is not always a positive,as people lose identity,community and well being in themselves..........you think black,asian,chinese,areas just happen by chance?
As General was honest enough to say,when we go to France,we expect to see French people and culture,and this applies to Jamaica,India,Germany,England,Scotland,Wales and Eire.
Irish people who are friendly and easy going are now feeling agitated by immigration,as locals have to leave,and those behind see eastern European's,African's and muslim's moving in.
Now we all know that Brit's and paddies have wandered the globe,but we still want to feel that home is home,and so do the native people in every land.
Feeling swamped or alien is not the preserve of the pale face either,as south Africa witnesses attacks on African's,from outside,just to provide a non-Daily Mail scenario.
We tend to look after our own,and feel comfortable this way,whilst welcoming and mixing with everyone,regardless of class,creed or colour.
When demographics change dramatically,so will the sense of well being,for all concerned.
This will progress,and in the future,it may not matter what anyone is,but that may be part due to lack of social and communal feeling,individualism in effect,rather than multi-cultural development.
The British and Irish are among the most tolerant and easy going people on earth,and when many say they feel worried and uneasy with how the world is,it is time to listen,imo.
Muslim extremism has no place in our society,just as we rejected racism and religious intolerance,ages ago,for the majority at least.
posted on 20/7/15
comment by Harrys accountant (U1141)
posted 1 hour, 28 minutes ago
comment by General (U11002)
posted 37 minutes ago
Agree with the article about the media. They are irresponsible, stupid and definitely play into the terrorists hands. They love making heroes out of horrible people, which is less than helpful.
Interesting quote from the MI5 lady, and there's obviously some truth to it, but please don't think that Islamic extremism didn't exist before 9/11. There have been several terrorists atrocities committed by Islamic fundamentalists over the years, so it's not all our fault.
I've heard that Islam has not developed as fully as Christianity as it started 600 or so years later, so maybe they're having their crusades of sorts now?
I remember speaking to a Muslim friend back in '91 and I was asking him about religion and beliefs and he said that the whole world must become Muslim and it was prophesied. He seemed almost guilty when he said that but he was just reciting what he'd been taught by his Saudi/Wahhabi father. He then went on to tell me that he believed I was going to hell. Nice guy, but when I dug deeper his belief's (not him) were pretty nasty. I've had other experiences over the years which don't paint a pretty Islamic picture once you dig beneath a nice exterior. Therefore, my opinion is not favourable towards Islam (I realise some do charity work and other good things that their religion instructs them to, which is positive).
One final point: when I go to France I want to see French people, French heritage, when I go to Germany I want the same and when I go to an English national park, as I did yesterday, I was disappointed to see a 50/50 split of Muslims to others, many of whom weren't communicating in English. Playing in the playground with my daughter was like being in a foreign country and I didn't like that. If that makes me racist then so be it, but I don't want our country to allow people in who possess an ideology which diametrically opposes our own, who in some cases sympathise or justify the actions of barbaric terrorists by pointing to our foreign policy.
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Do you honestly believe people come here hoping to live in ghettos? What a silly statement
Regarding the colour of people playing in the park, would you prefer white pedophiles were in the park to satisfy your colour requirements?
The comment does not make you racist, it makes you sad that all you see is the colour of a human being.
Tragic really
posted on 20/7/15
Mudd
I actually agreed with your earlier posts,about keeping out of foreign wars,taking passports from jihadi tools from here,and countering Saudi wahhism,but why refer to white kiddy fiddlers,in response to an honest post.
It may be wrong,racist,sad,but it is how someone feels,and he has the balls and honesty to say what many think.
Asian and black people also have us and them feelings,but rarely get highlighted,as we are too busy hating whitey.
As for ghettos,it is possible for people to live in areas such as Hounslow or Southall,and be much better off than white English in Grimsby,but that does not fit the agenda.............Asian people live together because they want too,as do all groups,classes,creeds and people.
posted on 20/7/15
Mudd
Sad to see two Spanish bikers die in the USA.
Good to see Rossi doing well at the MotoGP though.
Are you a biker/petrolhead?
I was a biker,and last Monday spun my BMW M3 car on the motorway into Belfast,and smashed the rear end badly.
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