Wumpatrol, the reason the poll asked Muslim's their opinion is because those terrorists killed in the name of Islam. It would be pretty pointless to ask Christians or Jews if they sympathise with Islamic terrorists don't you think?

MUDD, I don't hate Muslims, but I don't think Islamic ideology is compatible with English culture. I like multiculturalism, but not to the point where Britishness is eroded and replaced by an ever expanding Islamic community, some of whom would like this country to change in line with Sharia law.

As things stand, there are many radical terrorists killing in the name of Islam so it's inevitable that the media report it (they don't do it well in some cases) and we as a country - with 3 million Muslims - talk about how best to protect out citizens (Muslims and non-Muslims). These large terror groups are recruiting and killing in the name of Islam, so obviously Islam gets mentioned when people discuss such terrorism.

No-one can deny crusades, Spanish Inquisition etc, but right here and now, Islamic terrorists are plentiful killing both Muslims and non-Muslims.

Once again, for the removal of any doubt, I am not referring to skin colour.

Mudd,Wum or Kash

Where are you when we post rational,coherent comments,and you cannot label views as racist,bigotted,hate filled etc?

Some are only here to push their narrow agenda,and ignore thought out posts,cherry pick parts of posts to misunderstand,or misrepresent,and sit on the high horse of righteousness.

Ah well,we all have to feel superior to someone,I guess.Oh,the irony.

MUDD
You might be interested in this. Pretty shocking stuff on how the US managed to destroy Afghanistan because it was being backed by the Soviets!

https://amte.wordpress.com/tag/pdpa/

MUDD, I don't hate Muslims, but I don't think Islamic ideology is compatible with English culture. I like multiculturalism, but not to the point where Britishness is eroded and replaced by an ever expanding Islamic community, some of whom would like this country to change in line with Sharia law.
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Mate, muslims are not a new phenomenon in Britain, they have been here for decades. Why is there a "problem" now.

I do not agree that Islam is not compatible with Western culture, it is. The vast majority of muslims are decent folk and it is not fair that they are being victimised because of nutters.

Looking at how widespread the paedos in the church were, but no one blamed the church or the faith but the people that committed the acts.

We need to embrace our muslim brothers, they are being victimised by ISIS as well as their brothers and sisters in the UK

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MUDD
You might be interested in this. Pretty shocking stuff on how the US managed to destroy Afghanistan because it was being backed by the Soviets!

https://amte.wordpress.com/tag/pdpa/
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Read about the Vietnam war as well, assassination attempts on Latin American leaders, manipulation of intelligence to attack a sovereign nation, etc.

The only country as well to use a nuke but everyone else is a terrorist.

I keep asking people, if you lived in the ME and your family was killed by a supposed targeted bomb, would you see the west as the bastions of morality or terrorists?

Really simple. Look at all this nonsense about the death of a lion, look at the outrage.

Did you see it for an Iraqi child? The world is fecked up

I have read about all that! Libya too! Pretty dreadful stuff really.

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MUDD
You might be interested in this. Pretty shocking stuff on how the US managed to destroy Afghanistan because it was being backed by the Soviets!

https://amte.wordpress.com/tag/pdpa/
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Read about the Vietnam war as well, assassination attempts on Latin American leaders, manipulation of intelligence to attack a sovereign nation, etc.

The only country as well to use a nuke but everyone else is a terrorist.

I keep asking people, if you lived in the ME and your family was killed by a supposed targeted bomb, would you see the west as the bastions of morality or terrorists?

Really simple. Look at all this nonsense about the death of a lion, look at the outrage.

Did you see it for an Iraqi child? The world is fecked up

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Having said that mudd thousands of people from that region are risking their lives to get to the west

How is that even remotely relevant?

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How is that even remotely relevant?
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Read mudds 3rd last paragraph for relevance

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When I refer to the West, I refer to our govts.

They did not want to come here until their homes were destroyed though

I slate extremist Islamism,but do not operate as a western cheerleader,so why the need to constantly slate the west and USA.........................we know Vietnam,nuclear bombs,Iraqi civilian death etc are awful,but that does not let isis and friends off any hook.
Objective analysis is needed,as I actually heard a caller to the Wright stuff blame America for Calais,even though many there are from African regions,outside any western sphere of influence.This anti-west mantra is a bad as anti-islam guff.

If the people at Calais are there and thinking we created their problem,it is odd they want to come and live among racist,crusaders?
With the whole of Africa,ME,Europe and world to go to,why do migrants and asylum seekers opt for dear ole Blighty?

Mudd and Wum

You guys do realize that Russia has done bad stuff,as have nearly all state's,and yet you focus upon what the UK and US do............why?
We fought with Russia against natzi's,if you want to chuck changing foreign policy into the Taliban mix,when we were anti-communist in the cold war.
We are now attacked for being matey with Iran and Saudi's,even though we are anti-islam,apparently.
We backed Kuwait against Saddam,to prove how anti-islam we are,and bombed serbs who murdered muslim's,because we hate muslim's.
We live in peace with muslim people,and muslim's feel British,even though we are anti-muslim.
Muslim's from around the world,and people from Africa,and ME risk life and limb to come to this racist,anti-muslim land,because we are so anti-islam.

"but that does not let isis and friends off any
hook."

Yes because we have done that right. And no it isn't anti-Western, just trying to undo the brainwashing the Western media and hollywood has clearly done to the general population by educating you. God know why you are so defensive!

The US destroyed Afghanistan to further its agenda like it has almost destroyed so many nations before by removing legit governments and installing dictatorial puppets and destablized countries leaving an environment where psychopaths like Taliban and ISiS can thrive. People leave those places and go to Western countries where it is more stable. Is that really rocket science ffs!

They along with the UK destroyed Iraq too by sponsoring one Muslim faction against another after making decisons that were clearly meant to destablize the country to justify their stay there and loot the country's resources. How can saying this be intepreted as letting ISIS off the hook? If people don't speak now and educate the gullible public it will happen to other countries in the future. If that is being anti-Western theb feck yes, sign me up!

The west does embrace muslim's but sadly,more parts of the ME and Africa do not embrace non-muslim's,Mudd.Sad but true.

You refer to child abuse in the RC church,and we do condemn this,and Catholic's condemn their priests and bishop's,openly.
The RC church has been under a spotlight,and people have left the church,or become more liberal,thus not following all teachings,but cherry picking bits of religion.

Not sure how you link child abuse in the church to isis,as no one says all muslims are bad,just as we know all church folk are not bad.

Pakistani grooming of English vulnerable girls seems to have remained off your desire to bring child abuse into debate.
Child brides,FGM,forced marriage,rape,beatings,murder,honour killings,and chucking gay men off rooftops,also missed your abuse radar,Mudd.Get if fixed.

The thing is,the west has a liberal approach to religion,and morality,whereas this is not the case among majority muslim nation's and communities,in far too many cases.Not all muslim nation's and communities,of course,but way too many,which should concern those wanting a tolerant liberal society.

A Jewish fanatic stabbed gay people at a Jerusalem pride parade,and ironically,isis and some muslim's agree with this action.Devout catholic and evangelicals also hold mad views towards gay people,uniting the nutters.

Wum

When I say,let isis off the hook,it does not always mean I say you are doing this,and do not take me personally.

You obviously have anti-western feelings and an agenda,seeking conspiracy everywhere,and that is your choice,but the world is more complex than you suggest.
West bad,the rest=victim's.

An agenda? Conspiracy theories? Have you tried to educate yourself besides taking in Western propaganda? And how complex is it? Educate me.

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Quit your crazy anti-Western conspiracy theories ttliv! You are clearly taking the rebels of the hook.

For a boy with the username Wumpatrol,you get wound up easily.

The Taliban were fighting Russia with western sympathy,but you say the west created the Taliban.

US embassy in your native Kenya was bombed in 1998,so they must have owned a crystal ball,seeing evil western colonialism on the horizon in the ME.

US are mate's with Saudi's,wheri muslim nutters push the hate agenda,so yes,the west plays games with big business interests,and so do most states,even in the successful,non-corrupt African continent.

China is all over Africa,expoiting resources,if you wish to comment.
Do migrants come here not to use our resources,by the way,as the Calais mobs seem to want to be oppressed here.

I am not saying the west is all good,for the twentieth time.

I also have a studied the subject,and educated myself,and I find it patronizing that you think people need to educate themselves,if they differ from you.

To say Hollywood and the media supply our views on isis,or the US,is franky,bollox.

Weak and lazy argument.

Any views on how islamists view women,gay people or non-muslim's?
The west has many faults,but at least we are progressing,rather than resorting to caveman attitudes.

Ttl

Blair and Bush,alongside oil and business interests used our troops for their ends,and messed up in the ME and Libya,and isis and co, now flourish,partly due to western interference.

However,Assad kills his own,as did Saddam and Gadaffi,and the Taliban were no good on women's issues,at all.
Gadaffi hated the Brits and west,funding the Provo's,who murdered people in Belfast and London,with semtex and Libya guns,sent on a ship here.
I know loyalists who went to Libya linked to the UDA,who met Gadaffi,and stopped him backing the I ra,as his weapons were murdering working class Protestants here..............and soldiers,cops and Catholic's.

The ME and Africa is so messed up,western involvement only makes matters worse,and allows haters to BLAME US for everything.

However,global politic's and economic's,along with man's greed,now and in the past,entails winners and losers will exist.Not saying I agree with this Darwinian logic,but the Vikings,Turks,Roman's,Chinese,Russian's,African's,indians and even poor Greeks were all at their colonial work.

Wum

While I am educating myself,with my brainwashed western infidel brothers and sisters,could someone have a word with the various African nations,who seem intent on killing each other,wrecking their economies,dividing arab and African,muslim and Christian,attacking foreign black workers in black south Africa,and generally failing as a continent.

Then again,just blame the US and us,to make it simpler.

Yes you need to educate yourself. The Taliban were backed to overthrow the SECULAR Soviet backed Afghani govt (PDPA) that had overthrown the oppressive regime and implemented widescale reforms because of just that, they were soviet backed. They backed the once powerful Mullahs who had seen their oppressive hold over the rest of the population disappear almost overnight in a counter revolution and you know the name of one of those powerful people was? Osama bin Laden. Yes that evil guy. That same regime that had championed womens rights that half of Afghani doctors were women and majority of Uni students were also women. The same monster that they had funded turned the same guns on them after they realized the American's intentions all along.

"The Taliban were fighting Russia with western
sympathy" You should be part of the propaganda machine really!

That is really not an argument worth anything. Just because they are not responsible for one thing does not mean they are not responsible for another. Don't know why you think that is helping your case here at all. No one has said they are responsible for every region that is torn by war but then again you like to put words into people's mouths then try to argue against that cleverly sidestepping what I have actually posted.