Not necessarily. And as it's a cup competition they aren't going to pin their hopes on winning an unpredictable competition ahead of consistency in the league.

I don't know how anyone can really come to this conclusion when you look at how these sides treat the prem and Europe.

Look at Liverpool this season. They won't go all out for Europa, they'll prioritise the league - even though five into four doesn't go.

The same thing will happen if we lose our fourth CL spot.

As it stands, the 18 point advantage that England had just about 15 months ago has dwindled down to less than a 4 point gap.
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Technically speaking we are like 0.5/0.6 behind going into this season.

comment by Posh Mufc Great Hafi Not Arrogant Just Better (U6578)
posted 4 minutes ago
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11945/9765327/premier-league-to-lose-champions-league-spot-coefficients-explained
I don't think this person exted Juventus to reach CL final and Italy to do well in both competitions.
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Yeah, that guy didn't really look at what Italy was doing, rather, he focused on what England wasn;t doing.

Whatever way you shake it, England can't have as bad a season as last year or they could be in trouble.

Also, it's worth noting that the next set of numbers to drop out of the equation are from 2011/12 where England's number is again higher than Italy's. 15.25 to 11.36.

If Italian teams can put in decent showings, this isn't going away any time soon

Brendan to Reach Final and Lose is the Best for Everyone

Yeah thats why we start this campaign really 0.5/0.6 down for figures that count to 4th spot.

Luckily Germany have been dragged into the mix as well so a lot can still happen.

Can see some of their teams struggling in Europe this season as well.

Wolfsburg, Monchengladbach and Augsburg could find it hard.

Leverkusen, Shalke, Bayern and Dortmund could pick them up a lot of points if they get good draws and perform to potential.

Germany will gain further next season on England if they match England this season so it is important we make sure we get every team out of qualifiers and past group stages.

If they match England this season the gap would remain the same as they lose the same amount pf points from the 11/12 season.

comment by Manfrombelmonty (U1705)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by phil neville has three left feet-je suis charlie (U13806)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Posh Mufc Great Hafi Not Arrogant Just Better (U6578)
posted 16 seconds ago
11/12 Chelsea win could be last time 4th spot is used for this season before being vanished for next season becoming top 3.
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Be great if it is reduced to three,it will mean one of the big 4 will not get the riches of the Champions league.It will also mean that they would treat the Europa league with greater respect and go all out to win it.

Only the big 4 have the squad size and quality to go all out to win it.Although you could rightly say with Liverpool's spend under Rodgers then they should be serious contenders for the Europa league

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Liverpool will obviously be appreciative of all the support from everton fans to ensure it is easier for the blue side to qualify for the Europa.
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No, just mocking Rodgers for his euro failures

comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga Nikica come on pretty mama (U1308)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Manfrombelmonty (U1705)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by phil neville has three left feet-je suis charlie (U13806)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Posh Mufc Great Hafi Not Arrogant Just Better (U6578)
posted 16 seconds ago
11/12 Chelsea win could be last time 4th spot is used for this season before being vanished for next season becoming top 3.
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Be great if it is reduced to three,it will mean one of the big 4 will not get the riches of the Champions league.It will also mean that they would treat the Europa league with greater respect and go all out to win it.

Only the big 4 have the squad size and quality to go all out to win it.Although you could rightly say with Liverpool's spend under Rodgers then they should be serious contenders for the Europa league

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Liverpool will obviously be appreciative of all the support from everton fans to ensure it is easier for the blue side to qualify for the Europa.
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No, just mocking Rodgers for his euro failures
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBbfp9OJdQM

No, I want to qualify because the club did well.

If it means an FA cup win or 5th place in league or even 4th then so be it.

Liverpools failures in CL and EL along with West Ham this season show they can't compete with the other sides and England deserve less places

I should say gain further in future.

comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga Nikica come on pretty mama (U1308)
posted 1 minute ago
No, I want to qualify because the club did well.

If it means an FA cup win or 5th place in league or even 4th then so be it.

Liverpools failures in CL and EL along with West Ham this season show they can't compete with the other sides and England deserve less places
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How can you keep a straight face typing "FA Cup Win"

There's not much between us, Hafi, and they'll lose their highest score from 2013. Obviously if they start picking up big totals that can change but as it stands they are in as much danger of dropping their fourth spot as we are.

Manfrom

Have to say, this might be the first time I've actually engaged in a conversation with hafi that didn't drive me crazy....good job lad. Phil too

It's because the subject is dealing with stats.

Yes, but stats we can all see and interpret. Not stats about bloody throw ins not given to Utd thus costing them point which would result in a premier league championship. Those do my feckin head in

Objective stats.

In fact not even a win, as most times the team loses to a CL or EL qualified team.

However that didn't work out well for Hull, West Ham or Portsmouth as they struggled with the extra games or to reach the group stages

comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga Nikica come on pretty mama (U1308)
posted 3 minutes ago
In fact not even a win, as most times the team loses to a CL or EL qualified team.

However that didn't work out well for Hull, West Ham or Portsmouth as they struggled with the extra games or to reach the group stages
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Nope. The losers in the cup don't get a place any more

Never mind. Crisis averted. Lazio are a load of auld cack

Hold the phone........

Southampton

I think the CL draw has worked out better for us than Italy and Germany.

Will have to see what happens in the Europa now.

Yeah, europa really is key in my view. Lots of points to be gained there. Hence why England need to take it seriously.

Might update this thread as the season progresses to see where we are at