Good idea.

Could be. All four of our sides getting into the group gives us a headstart anyway due to the bonus points. Can see see all four getting out of their groups but not going that far in the competition so a lot may depend on how Lazio, Fiorentina, Napoli and maybe even Roma and Juve do in the Europa.

Slight change at the top, but all much of a muchness.

Prior to last weeks games:

Germany 65.9
England 64.4
Italy 60.6


Today:

Germany 66.75
England 65.03
Italy 60.6

England now have 6 teams in competitions with Southampton and WHU out. Possibly crucially they have all 4 teams in the Champions League.

Italy have just Juve and Roma, both of whom have tough groups.

Advantage England I reckon.

Yep I reckon so, can see Juve and Roma struggling in the CL this season.

Though they don't appear to have done too badly with their Europa draws.

Yeah, again, depending on how far the English teams make it in CL, the Europa could be crucial. especially if Juve and/or Roma drop into it.

Same with Germany.

Could end up being tight by the end of the season.

Prior to Admin 2 spilling his coffe on the server, there seemed to be a renewed interest in the coefficient points after the last 2 days results.

Bad week for england so far, with only one win so far. Italy with a win and draw.

Italy have 3 europa teams to England's 2 this evening. Could tighten up before the bonus points for getting to Champions league knock outs kick in

Said it before and will reiterate. Liverpool need to take this comp seriously, not only for the chance to win the trophy, but the coefficients points too

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Yeah but none of them are on this thread, manfrom.

Idon't, it's not looking bad either when you actually look at this season's points.

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Yeah but none of them are on this thread, manfrom.

Idon't, it's not looking bad either when you actually look at this season's points.
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I tried to bump it

I've even kept the alarmist thread title!

If you edit the article then republish it the article should appear at the top of the main pages.

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Really?

I'll do that tmw when the new numbers are out

I believe so.

Ask DJ for clarification as he does it with the football live thread.

Good news for England as Fiorentina have a man sent off and concede two late goals to lose. Lazio concede deep in injury time to draw.

So england with 2W 1D 3L
Italy 2W 2D 1L

Slight edge to Italy

0.35 advantage in this round.

Hardly anything when you consider the gap after the group stages were finalised.

Already an article on the Spurs board crying about it. Though why a Spurs fan is concerned about the CL I don't know.

Not a great deal of movement. After the champions league drama, Italy couldn't capitalize in the Europa.

Germany looking solid with both points and in having all of their 7 teams still competing.

5th and 6th is interestign too.

France and Portugal have these spots. France for the longest time was 5th and Portugal 6th. Thats switched a couple of years ago and it seems to have caused France problems.

5th and 6th both get 2 teams in the group stage of the ECL.

5th gets a team in the final play off round of qualifiers.

6th goes into the 3rd round, so has an extra couple of games to play to qualify. Each of the last 3 years the French team has managed to get through the 3rd round, but have been eliminated all 3 times in the play off round.

At the minute there's a 0.166 point difference between them.

yes, I am that dull that I have had a look further down the table and the drama continues.

So, 5th, 6th and 7th is a huge battle. Portugal, France and Russia in that order.

Russia, much like Italy have seen relatively poor seasons drop out of the calculations, with the opposite true for France and Portugal. The gap has closet from about 10 points to less than 2.

This is huge for Russia, for, where Portugal and France get 3 teams in the ECL, Russia only has 2.

If there is still all that money in Russian football, a 3rd ECL place could see a whole lot more invested and one of the other countries struggle.

Portugal 45.1
France 44.9
Russia 43.3

Good article

There seems to be a school of thought that Arsenal and City's lack of CL progression is costing England which simply isn't true. It's the Europa league where Serie A are making ground.

Cheers Ledley.

There are bonus points for getting out of the ECL group stages, so this is where England has an advantage over Italy by simply having strength in numbers.

Its all a bit snail's pace at the moment but I thought it'd interest one or two folks to keep this updated as the season moves along.

What makes interesting reading is that for each of the next 3 seasons the points that drop off the calculation for England and Germany are more than what will drop off Italy. So, if either England or germany have a poor season or two, it definitely opens the door to italy.

Darren The King Fletcher

Already an article on the Spurs board crying about it. Though why a Spurs fan is concerned about the CL I don't know.




Man United spending £300 million and likely to get dumped out on the group stages is hardly helping the cause. The CL is rubbish anyway, same teams, boring format. Who cares. Never even watch it now.

I suspect that Italian clubs will take the Europa league seriously.

Juventus and Roma are clearly the best teams in Serie A, but you've got the likes of Napoli, Lazio, Fiorentina and the Milan clubs who both want and need to be competitive. Winning the Europa league could well be their guarantee of European football as there's not much between those 5 teams - they could all conceivably miss out on Europe via their league placings.

Yup, thats been the consensus.

England's biggest advantage is 4 teams in the CL and the bonus points for getting to the knock out round.

Italy have the numbers in Europa, but the bonus points don't kick in til the 1/4ers. Europa was where they made a lot of gains last year, along with Juve of course.

I don't know what the Serie A prize money is like, but I'd imagine that the Prem clubs see the Europa league prize money as peanuts in comparison to what they get in the PL. Something like £2-2.5m per league placing, meaning that the £12m or whatever bounty for winning the Europa is not worth it if Spurs or Liverpool finish 8th instead of 5th for example.

I get your point, but winning europa brings in the Champions league football $$ now. But yes, for everyone else, is the money worth the effort?

I'm sure there's a certain element of that, and its a sad reflection on the game nowadays that money is more important than trophies to the clubs. We're even seeing that way of thinking creeping into the fans minds too.

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