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Sizzle embrace the crash and burn, we just need to make sure people understand it was the Tories that gave us Brexit, that way we can turn a negative into a positive.
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posted 3 minutes ago
It's a matter of perspective.
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Or calling a black crow white.
There are many examples in the HOL's report but thought this was prevalent.
"The notion that a country can have complete regulatory sovereignty while engaging in comprehensive free trade with partners is based on a misunderstanding of the nature of free trade."
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comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 21 seconds ago
Life goes on. We've been through far worse times in the past and come through them.
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Of course life will go on. We will just be a bit poorer.
The point is for what? Making the best of a bad situation? The least damaging?
There are so many variables completely out of the UK's influence. Whatever deal is eventually struck, it will have to be ratified by 27 nations and 37 regional governments, and the EU parliament.
The chances of appeasing each and every one is remote.
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Cal Neva
The vote is an irrelevance. But as the crowd funded motion in Dublin is exploring, the irrevocability of A50 is not.
In that if after the 18/24 months, the UK is left without binding legislation, there is an option to revoke the Lisbon treaty. At least this way, the UK will have a parachute.
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 21 seconds ago
Life goes on. We've been through far worse times in the past and come through them.
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Of course life will go on. We will just be a bit poorer.
The point is for what? Making the best of a bad situation? The least damaging?
There are so many variables completely out of the UK's influence. Whatever deal is eventually struck, it will have to be ratified by 27 nations and 37 regional governments, and the EU parliament.
The chances of appeasing each and every one is remote.
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Well we will all have to wait and see what happens. I don't believe anyone can foresee what the future economy will look like.
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If the UK cannot reach agreement with the EU, we have no trade deal with our largest trading partner.
A50 by design, was written in the event there was emergence of a rogue state. To ensure severance would be as financially damaging as possible. Hence the two year time frame.
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 21 seconds ago
Life goes on. We've been through far worse times in the past and come through them.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Of course life will go on. We will just be a bit poorer.
The point is for what? Making the best of a bad situation? The least damaging?
There are so many variables completely out of the UK's influence. Whatever deal is eventually struck, it will have to be ratified by 27 nations and 37 regional governments, and the EU parliament.
The chances of appeasing each and every one is remote.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well we will all have to wait and see what happens. I don't believe anyone can foresee what the future economy will look like.
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Those pesky experts eh.
comment by Pâî§Lë¥'š _P䆆ê®ÑëÐ_ÐrÊåm§ (U1541)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 21 seconds ago
Life goes on. We've been through far worse times in the past and come through them.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Of course life will go on. We will just be a bit poorer.
The point is for what? Making the best of a bad situation? The least damaging?
There are so many variables completely out of the UK's influence. Whatever deal is eventually struck, it will have to be ratified by 27 nations and 37 regional governments, and the EU parliament.
The chances of appeasing each and every one is remote.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well we will all have to wait and see what happens. I don't believe anyone can foresee what the future economy will look like.
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Those pesky experts eh.
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comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 8 hours, 8 minutes ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 21 seconds ago
Life goes on. We've been through far worse times in the past and come through them.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Of course life will go on. We will just be a bit poorer.
The point is for what? Making the best of a bad situation? The least damaging?
There are so many variables completely out of the UK's influence. Whatever deal is eventually struck, it will have to be ratified by 27 nations and 37 regional governments, and the EU parliament.
The chances of appeasing each and every one is remote.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nobody knows if the future for people will be poorer, under brexit, in Europe or America, for that matter, with due respect Pearcey😁
Economists guess wrongly, just like our expert pollsters.
Individuals decide their employment choices, spending etc.
The global banking system,,price of oil, war, luck...all play a part in our financial well being.
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comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 8 hours, 8 minutes ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 21 seconds ago
Life goes on. We've been through far worse times in the past and come through them.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Of course life will go on. We will just be a bit poorer.
The point is for what? Making the best of a bad situation? The least damaging?
There are so many variables completely out of the UK's influence. Whatever deal is eventually struck, it will have to be ratified by 27 nations and 37 regional governments, and the EU parliament.
The chances of appeasing each and every one is remote.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nobody knows if the future for people will be poorer, under brexit, in Europe or America, for that matter, with due respect Pearcey😁
Economists guess wrongly, just like our expert pollsters.
Individuals decide their employment choices, spending etc.
The global banking system,,price of oil, war, luck...all play a part in our financial well being.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
To date, economic forecasts have been spot on.
Where the waters have been muddied is the assertion that predictions were inaccurate. Universal forecasts were based on Cameron invoking A50 directly after the referendum. This did not happen.
A50 aside, it stands to reason, if a critical trading relationship is cut off, or incurs additional costs, there will be consequences.
At present (due to pound devaluation and rising inflation) businesses are absorbing increasing costs. As per CBI report. This however cannot endure indefinitely.
We (in NI) will be affected more than anywhere else. A fact recognised by the House of Lords:
"While the First Minister and the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland perceive opportunities for Northern Ireland outside the EU, our evidence suggests that the risks to the Northern Ireland economy posed by Brexit probably outweigh the opportunities. "
"EU funding has had a positive transformative effect on Northern Ireland, and on the border regions in particular. The Northern Ireland economy is more dependent on EU funding than any other nation or region of the UK, and its loss could have a devastating effect."
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Cal Neva
Just like any recognisable forecast, conclusions are based on the available data. In regard to the economy, yes it can sometimes difficult to predict, but (as seen globally) economic growth has already been slowing.
The UK economy was therefore expected to slow (irrespective of Brexit) anyway. Putting aside future trading relationships, the devaluation of the pound (circa 15%) will also affect UK economic growth. Inflation will only magnify this impact in the coming years.
You don’t have to be an expert economist to recognise the UK business landscape is far from certain. Which (as the CBI have stated) will adversely affect business investment decisions.
The House of Lords also touched on this:
“Businesses are operating in conditions of considerable uncertainty. Uncertainty undermines investor confidence, and is thus in itself a significant threat to the UK economy.”
“Brexit will dramatically alter the UK’s trading relationship with its biggest trading partner, the EU. The evidence we have heard underlines the importance of establishing transitional or interim arrangements to mitigate the shock that would follow were the UK to leave the EU under the terms of Article 50 without securing agreement on future trading relations with the EU.”
While this is all pretty much high level, the upshot is that it will trickle down to the amount of money we all have to spend. Or not!
The concept that there will be little or no economic hardship for millions of people represents a misunderstanding of reality.
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Sizzle embrace the crash and burn, we just need to make sure people understand it was the Tories that gave us Brexit, that way we can turn a negative into a positive.
posted on 20/12/16
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 3 minutes ago
It's a matter of perspective.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
????
Or calling a black crow white.
There are many examples in the HOL's report but thought this was prevalent.
"The notion that a country can have complete regulatory sovereignty while engaging in comprehensive free trade with partners is based on a misunderstanding of the nature of free trade."
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comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 21 seconds ago
Life goes on. We've been through far worse times in the past and come through them.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Of course life will go on. We will just be a bit poorer.
The point is for what? Making the best of a bad situation? The least damaging?
There are so many variables completely out of the UK's influence. Whatever deal is eventually struck, it will have to be ratified by 27 nations and 37 regional governments, and the EU parliament.
The chances of appeasing each and every one is remote.
posted on 20/12/16
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posted on 20/12/16
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posted on 20/12/16
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posted on 20/12/16
Cal Neva
The vote is an irrelevance. But as the crowd funded motion in Dublin is exploring, the irrevocability of A50 is not.
In that if after the 18/24 months, the UK is left without binding legislation, there is an option to revoke the Lisbon treaty. At least this way, the UK will have a parachute.
posted on 20/12/16
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 21 seconds ago
Life goes on. We've been through far worse times in the past and come through them.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Of course life will go on. We will just be a bit poorer.
The point is for what? Making the best of a bad situation? The least damaging?
There are so many variables completely out of the UK's influence. Whatever deal is eventually struck, it will have to be ratified by 27 nations and 37 regional governments, and the EU parliament.
The chances of appeasing each and every one is remote.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well we will all have to wait and see what happens. I don't believe anyone can foresee what the future economy will look like.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If the UK cannot reach agreement with the EU, we have no trade deal with our largest trading partner.
A50 by design, was written in the event there was emergence of a rogue state. To ensure severance would be as financially damaging as possible. Hence the two year time frame.
posted on 21/12/16
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 21 seconds ago
Life goes on. We've been through far worse times in the past and come through them.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Of course life will go on. We will just be a bit poorer.
The point is for what? Making the best of a bad situation? The least damaging?
There are so many variables completely out of the UK's influence. Whatever deal is eventually struck, it will have to be ratified by 27 nations and 37 regional governments, and the EU parliament.
The chances of appeasing each and every one is remote.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well we will all have to wait and see what happens. I don't believe anyone can foresee what the future economy will look like.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Those pesky experts eh.
posted on 21/12/16
comment by Pâî§Lë¥'š _P䆆ê®ÑëÐ_ÐrÊåm§ (U1541)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 21 seconds ago
Life goes on. We've been through far worse times in the past and come through them.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Of course life will go on. We will just be a bit poorer.
The point is for what? Making the best of a bad situation? The least damaging?
There are so many variables completely out of the UK's influence. Whatever deal is eventually struck, it will have to be ratified by 27 nations and 37 regional governments, and the EU parliament.
The chances of appeasing each and every one is remote.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well we will all have to wait and see what happens. I don't believe anyone can foresee what the future economy will look like.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Those pesky experts eh.
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posted on 21/12/16
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posted on 21/12/16
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 8 hours, 8 minutes ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 21 seconds ago
Life goes on. We've been through far worse times in the past and come through them.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Of course life will go on. We will just be a bit poorer.
The point is for what? Making the best of a bad situation? The least damaging?
There are so many variables completely out of the UK's influence. Whatever deal is eventually struck, it will have to be ratified by 27 nations and 37 regional governments, and the EU parliament.
The chances of appeasing each and every one is remote.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nobody knows if the future for people will be poorer, under brexit, in Europe or America, for that matter, with due respect Pearcey😁
Economists guess wrongly, just like our expert pollsters.
Individuals decide their employment choices, spending etc.
The global banking system,,price of oil, war, luck...all play a part in our financial well being.
posted on 21/12/16
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posted on 21/12/16
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 8 hours, 8 minutes ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 21 seconds ago
Life goes on. We've been through far worse times in the past and come through them.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Of course life will go on. We will just be a bit poorer.
The point is for what? Making the best of a bad situation? The least damaging?
There are so many variables completely out of the UK's influence. Whatever deal is eventually struck, it will have to be ratified by 27 nations and 37 regional governments, and the EU parliament.
The chances of appeasing each and every one is remote.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nobody knows if the future for people will be poorer, under brexit, in Europe or America, for that matter, with due respect Pearcey😁
Economists guess wrongly, just like our expert pollsters.
Individuals decide their employment choices, spending etc.
The global banking system,,price of oil, war, luck...all play a part in our financial well being.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
To date, economic forecasts have been spot on.
Where the waters have been muddied is the assertion that predictions were inaccurate. Universal forecasts were based on Cameron invoking A50 directly after the referendum. This did not happen.
A50 aside, it stands to reason, if a critical trading relationship is cut off, or incurs additional costs, there will be consequences.
At present (due to pound devaluation and rising inflation) businesses are absorbing increasing costs. As per CBI report. This however cannot endure indefinitely.
We (in NI) will be affected more than anywhere else. A fact recognised by the House of Lords:
"While the First Minister and the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland perceive opportunities for Northern Ireland outside the EU, our evidence suggests that the risks to the Northern Ireland economy posed by Brexit probably outweigh the opportunities. "
"EU funding has had a positive transformative effect on Northern Ireland, and on the border regions in particular. The Northern Ireland economy is more dependent on EU funding than any other nation or region of the UK, and its loss could have a devastating effect."
posted on 21/12/16
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 21/12/16
Cal Neva
Just like any recognisable forecast, conclusions are based on the available data. In regard to the economy, yes it can sometimes difficult to predict, but (as seen globally) economic growth has already been slowing.
The UK economy was therefore expected to slow (irrespective of Brexit) anyway. Putting aside future trading relationships, the devaluation of the pound (circa 15%) will also affect UK economic growth. Inflation will only magnify this impact in the coming years.
You don’t have to be an expert economist to recognise the UK business landscape is far from certain. Which (as the CBI have stated) will adversely affect business investment decisions.
The House of Lords also touched on this:
“Businesses are operating in conditions of considerable uncertainty. Uncertainty undermines investor confidence, and is thus in itself a significant threat to the UK economy.”
“Brexit will dramatically alter the UK’s trading relationship with its biggest trading partner, the EU. The evidence we have heard underlines the importance of establishing transitional or interim arrangements to mitigate the shock that would follow were the UK to leave the EU under the terms of Article 50 without securing agreement on future trading relations with the EU.”
While this is all pretty much high level, the upshot is that it will trickle down to the amount of money we all have to spend. Or not!
The concept that there will be little or no economic hardship for millions of people represents a misunderstanding of reality.
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