comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 2 hours, 33 minutes ago
comment by bertrand small (U19359)
posted 5 hours, 14 minutes ago
Brexit is great news for any working family in an already built up and overpopulated area that has suffered from an influx of European or other unskilled workers causing the salaries to stagnate over the last 5 years at least.
Multiculturalism is the biggest failed exercise this country has embarked on in the last 50 years and the accommodating nature of left leaning councils and authorities has contributed to the sense of isolation and ethnic enclaves up and down the country.
Opening borders 7 years before required was a total slap in the face to the British and settled migrant families already here. That can't be put right wholly by leaving the eu but it is a start that can help reduce the figures of net migration of over 300000 per year which even to those leafy living lefties can recognise is completely unsustainable in the major cities and has harmed many rural towns already.
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Well said.
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Other than being factually inaccurate, and based on misleading propaganda...
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Aye, whatever you feel is right, and no counter argument need apply, basically.

Merkel is banning the burka face veil and sendng dodgy asylum seekers home, and that was before the berlin attack, in case sizzle or hec buy her Christmas cards.
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I had previously debunked the post earlier today

I wouldn't be too concerned about Ukip as they are in financial dire straits.

With Banks no longer backing them, they are already in Default, and are unable to service their debt.

I quite like Andy Burnham (predominantly due to his work on Hillsborough) but his immigration claims, are extremely misleading. A fact pointed out in the House of Commons last week.

comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 2 hours, 33 minutes ago
comment by bertrand small (U19359)
posted 5 hours, 14 minutes ago
Brexit is great news for any working family in an already built up and overpopulated area that has suffered from an influx of European or other unskilled workers causing the salaries to stagnate over the last 5 years at least.
Multiculturalism is the biggest failed exercise this country has embarked on in the last 50 years and the accommodating nature of left leaning councils and authorities has contributed to the sense of isolation and ethnic enclaves up and down the country.
Opening borders 7 years before required was a total slap in the face to the British and settled migrant families already here. That can't be put right wholly by leaving the eu but it is a start that can help reduce the figures of net migration of over 300000 per year which even to those leafy living lefties can recognise is completely unsustainable in the major cities and has harmed many rural towns already.
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Well said.
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Other than being factually inaccurate, and based on misleading propaganda...
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Aye, whatever you feel is right, and no counter argument need apply, basically.

Merkel is banning the burka face veil and sendng dodgy asylum seekers home, and that was before the berlin attack, in case sizzle or hec buy her Christmas cards.
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I had previously debunked the post earlier today

I wouldn't be too concerned about Ukip as they are in financial dire straits.

With Banks no longer backing them, they are already in Default, and are unable to service their debt.

I quite like Andy Burnham (predominantly due to his work on Hillsborough) but his immigration claims, are extremely misleading. A fact pointed out in the House of Commons last week.
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Andy Burnham pointed out that for Brits who are semi or unskilled workers, the millions of new arrivals hurt their life prospects, as many coming in are educated and more attractive to employers, especially as cheaper labour and so we see white british people becoming an underclass.
Now, white boys are bottom of class and white working class kids are way behind in numbers at uni with decreasing percentages compared to other groups.

Now, sizzle will say boo hoo, poor whitey, but alienation leads to trouble, moves to the far right, and bad feeling in communities.

Populism in the uk, usa, russia and the Eu will only grow, but hey, I am facist filth, lol😃

comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 2 hours, 33 minutes ago
comment by bertrand small (U19359)
posted 5 hours, 14 minutes ago
Brexit is great news for any working family in an already built up and overpopulated area that has suffered from an influx of European or other unskilled workers causing the salaries to stagnate over the last 5 years at least.
Multiculturalism is the biggest failed exercise this country has embarked on in the last 50 years and the accommodating nature of left leaning councils and authorities has contributed to the sense of isolation and ethnic enclaves up and down the country.
Opening borders 7 years before required was a total slap in the face to the British and settled migrant families already here. That can't be put right wholly by leaving the eu but it is a start that can help reduce the figures of net migration of over 300000 per year which even to those leafy living lefties can recognise is completely unsustainable in the major cities and has harmed many rural towns already.
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Well said.
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Other than being factually inaccurate, and based on misleading propaganda...
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Aye, whatever you feel is right, and no counter argument need apply, basically.

Merkel is banning the burka face veil and sendng dodgy asylum seekers home, and that was before the berlin attack, in case sizzle or hec buy her Christmas cards.
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I had previously debunked the post earlier today

I wouldn't be too concerned about Ukip as they are in financial dire straits.

With Banks no longer backing them, they are already in Default, and are unable to service their debt.

I quite like Andy Burnham (predominantly due to his work on Hillsborough) but his immigration claims, are extremely misleading. A fact pointed out in the House of Commons last week.
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Andy Burnham pointed out that for Brits who are semi or unskilled workers, the millions of new arrivals hurt their life prospects, as many coming in are educated and more attractive to employers, especially as cheaper labour and so we see white british people becoming an underclass.
Now, white boys are bottom of class and white working class kids are way behind in numbers at uni with decreasing percentages compared to other groups.

Now, sizzle will say boo hoo, poor whitey, but alienation leads to trouble, moves to the far right, and bad feeling in communities.

Populism in the uk, usa, russia and the Eu will only grow, but hey, I am facist filth, lol😃

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IMO there was nothing racist whatsoever in Burnham's comments. While (as noted) inaccurate, and at times completely misleading, he is simply protecting his seat. Has since moved back up north from London.

As I mentioned before, by leaving the EU, non EU immigration figures will increase significantly.

Which begs the question, how will leaving the EU mitigate increasing migration numbers. It won't.

Personally I am convinced the Government will (in the years to come) remove students, refugees, and seasonal workers from official figures, (IMO should be anyway) to give the public the impression they're managing migration.

"Andy Burnham pointed out that for Brits who are semi or unskilled workers, the millions of new arrivals hurt their life prospects, as many coming in are educated and more attractive to employers, especially as cheaper labour and so we see white british people becoming an underclass"

You think the government, and employers who flout the minimum wage law, aren't responsible for this? Unemployment in the UK has fluctuated as a result of wider economic situations. Are you telling me there is a percentage of the UK population classed as semi unskilled bemoaning the fact they can't get a job picking fruit & veg, in restaurants or as kitchen porters?

It's not all bad news though, well not at the moment. One benefit of EU membership has been reciprocation. We are entitled to go to any one of, and quite a few are desirable, 27 countries to live and work without having to gain a visa.

University education has changed dramatically with the advent of tuition fees being abolished. It was proposed that Universities only be allowed to charge £9,000 per year. Pretty much every University opted to charge this higher amount. Even the former Polytechnics masquerading as Universities. Then there's extra money to be made from students from abroad, and not just EU countries I might add. The Cons/Lib Dem coalition saw to Universities becoming a money making business instead of an academic one that used to trade on excellence and reputation. The currency is money now.

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Ant people I have known from the Middle East have always identified themselves as from a specific country. I've never heard anyone from the ME predominantly call themselves Muslim.

Now, white boys are bottom of class and white working class kids are way behind in numbers at uni with decreasing percentages compared to other groups.

Now, sizzle will say boo hoo, poor whitey, but alienation leads to trouble, moves to the far right, and bad feeling in communities.

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so they do crap at school and blame someone else for it.
How can you lay that at the feet of multiculturalism?

Its lack of effort.

Every single one of my family has had a job, and worked damned hard.
I know someone who was made redundant earlier this year (Brexit related) first time in 40 years out of work, and despite all the NI contributions, felt ashamed to go to claim jobseekers.

So, if anyone in this country doesn't feel education is valuable, someone else will.
No one is going to make sure you succeed, but the tools are always there for everyone to.

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Merkel is banning the burka face veil and sendng dodgy asylum seekers home, and that was before the berlin attack, in case sizzle or hec buy her Christmas cards.
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What's your point?

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Division and xenophobia has been the modus operandi of extremists for years.

Marginalising and demonising Muslims, (by means of western terrorist attacks) has proven to be the perfect recruitment tool utilised by the likes of Isis. They are not the mindless radicals as some would have us believe. Their media manipulation has also been a successful tactic in radicalising nationals. Isis will claim responsibility for anything that might further their cause.

Whenever there is a terrorist attack in Europe (and there will be more) many automatically blame the entire Islamic faith, rather than extremists.

This is compounded by the xenophobic rhetoric advocated by large sections of the media. Certain tabloids will ensure ethnesticity is emphasised, rather than give any attention the ‘actual’ story.

I read that in this year alone the Daily Express had “migrant” on its front page on over seventy occasions. Followed by countless retractions, many weeks later, buried in page seven…

It was heartening to hear the United Nations call out and condemn The Sun, Mail, and Express for inciting racial hatred.

Which is why (IMO) this is a problem the UK community as a whole has to confront, and try to break down the barriers instigated by extremism.

comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 11 hours, 32 minutes ago
"Andy Burnham pointed out that for Brits who are semi or unskilled workers, the millions of new arrivals hurt their life prospects, as many coming in are educated and more attractive to employers, especially as cheaper labour and so we see white british people becoming an underclass"

You think the government, and employers who flout the minimum wage law, aren't responsible for this? Unemployment in the UK has fluctuated as a result of wider economic situations. Are you telling me there is a percentage of the UK population classed as semi unskilled bemoaning the fact they can't get a job picking fruit & veg, in restaurants or as kitchen porters?

It's not all bad news though, well not at the moment. One benefit of EU membership has been reciprocation. We are entitled to go to any one of, and quite a few are desirable, 27 countries to live and work without having to gain a visa.

University education has changed dramatically with the advent of tuition fees being abolished. It was proposed that Universities only be allowed to charge £9,000 per year. Pretty much every University opted to charge this higher amount. Even the former Polytechnics masquerading as Universities. Then there's extra money to be made from students from abroad, and not just EU countries I might add. The Cons/Lib Dem coalition saw to Universities becoming a money making business instead of an academic one that used to trade on excellence and reputation. The currency is money now.
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There is the added incentive for universities in that they get a higher fee for foreign students. Certainly outwith the European Union they are for example(with the help of the Government) exalting the UK, it's universities and job prospects, over in places like India. With these students they can charge £25,000 per year tuition, provided they can convince them to join.

comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 7 hours, 9 minutes ago
Is it OK just to mix with your own kind? Should people have to mix with others if they don't want to?

What do we define as integration? How far does it go? Language, values, customs?
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You only have to look at the West Indian, Indian and Pakistani migrants that came over here from the 50's onwards to understand integration does take place. However it takes time. The first generation of immigrants may initially find it harder to integrate into UK society, , but eventually do so.

I'd love to move abroad with my family, to either Italy or France, as I think it'd be great for my kids to learn more than one culture and language. But for me integration is about give and take. You immerse yourself in the local culture but you don;t lose your own national identity.. I always find it funny when people bemoan immigrants not integrating. Us Brits are the worst for that when we travel abroad, whether it's to live or on holiday. Ex-pats in Spain being the best example as well as expecting everyone to speak English.

"Now, white boys are bottom of class and white working class kids are way behind in numbers at uni with decreasing percentages compared to other groups."

I never understand this point. How is that anyone's fault but the "white boys" or their parents? Everyone has the exact same opportunities - if anything I imagine the "white boys" have something of a head start. Maybe that head start is the real problem.

I am Asian and Muslim and imho the issue with multiculturalism is not as portrayed.

I wasn't born here but as a kid grew up here, went to school, college, uni here and even married a white lass. Yet all I hear,even about me is that I don't integrate.

Not sure how to put this politely but the only way I haven't integrated is by not painting myself white.

I don't celebrate xmas so I am not integrating, my white ex catholic, now atheist father in law doesn't either

I don't drink so I don't integrate, my catholic, white mother in law doesn't either

Best was in my late teens I did drink etc and sitting in a pub doing a pub quiz I was told "problem with you lot is you don't integrate, if people want to live here they need to do as we do"

Point is in my experience doesn't matter what I did I was still an outsider to some. And the problem wasn't me

Maybe its time to interrelate? I am what I am you are what you are let's find common ground

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Exactly

Since the abolition of tuition fees and the opening up of the university market (financially) the focus is about making money. Who are Universities going to take in, a UK national for £9,000pa or a student from abroad for £25,000pa?

This isn't an immigration issue as TheBells intimated above, with white working class UK national finding it harder to get into Uni. It's a result of our government turning academia into a capitalist industry. University used to be focussed on academic achievement and reputation, both national and internationally.

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comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 1 minute ago
Tuition fees abolished?
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That was a slip of the tongue I think. He meant grants abolished and fees introduced.

I think he's mixed up 'abolition' with 'introduction'. Easy mistake to make.

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