comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 3 minutes ago
WWSPD
I thought he dodged LK's question and gave a politicians answer. I suppose that's a step forward. Surprised he didn't send a Tweet out slating her afterwards.
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Totally (dodged). But don't think it was the right environment to give detailed answers. Was basically a PR exercise. For both sides.
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 4 hours, 23 minutes ago
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 5 minutes ago
Got to say well done Laura Kuenssberg for asking the wig wearing narcissist a very eloquent question that most of us have been wondering. Completely stumped him.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-theresa-may-latest-white-house-laura-kuenssberg-bbc-special-relationship-a7550311.html
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Did you see Trump's speech. He has the reading ability of a child. To be fair he answered the press questions quite well. But his speech beforehand was embarrassing.
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Poor Trump eh,compared to the rest of us.
Where did it all go wrong for him๐ฏ
Corbyn thought an Ulster policeman died, so offers sympathy in parliament........then forces a three line whip on his party, even though he rebelled for thirty years himself.
Now, if only he ruled the world, alongside Gambia's Argos security guard president.
Why are yeez obsessed by every word from Trump?
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comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - ููุณุทูู (U1860)
posted 5 hours, 6 minutes ago
I see May in Washington, sold out and wore a bright red dress (quite garish), rather than a demure outfit representing the tories.
How much pandering did she do behind closed doors I wonder.
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That is a desperate, just desperate. You really are trying to look for something that isn't there.
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This
The left and remain are raging that America and brexit UK could do a mutually beneficial deal.
It is silly now, beyond farce.If Trump farts they will say he wrecked the o zone.
Corbyn and Bernie Sanders were anti- TPP and we see May and Trump say no more Iraq type wars, but the haters only see holding hands and shoes๐๐๐๐
Diplomacy with Russia is frowned upon by the left now, even though the redflagbrigade were all back ver Russia until recently.
Oh how the corbynista, Democrats and lib dems are squirming today.๐
That is a desperate, just desperate. You really are trying to look for something that isn't there.
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Its always there for some,if they can't see it they invent it,
May gave a first class account of herself,a credit to the country.
TBAB
Since you haven't had a chance to read the HOL Northern Ireland findings, I'll copy some of their conclusions and recommendations for you.
This report was conducted on a non partisan basis. They consulted business leaders, (North and south) industry experts, diplomats, economists, legal experts, and many others, so they could provide an independent report. Which, given the government's position has been completely ignored.
"Any potential negative impact of Brexit will probably be more significant for Ireland than for any other Member State, in particular in the event of any economic downturn in the UK, or in the event of tariffs or other barriers to trade being introduced between the UK and the EU. The agri-food and manufacturing sectors, and the SMEs that work within them, would probably be worst affected, given their reliance on UK exports, and this could place a particular burden on the communities that rely on these industries."
"While the First Minister and the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland perceive opportunities for Northern Ireland outside the EU, our evidence suggests that the risks to the Northern Ireland economy posed by Brexit probably outweigh the opportunities. Northern Ireland’s agri-food and manufacturing sectors stand to be particularly affected."
"Retaining customs-free trade between the UK and Ireland will be essential if the current soft border arrangements are to be maintained."
"Despite ministerial recognition of the substantial implications Brexit could have for cross-border economic activity on the island of Ireland, there is still significant uncertainty over how the UK plans to mitigate these effects, and over the priority they will receive in withdrawal negotiations."
"Retaining customs-free trade between the UK and Ireland will be essential if the current soft border arrangements are to be maintained."
(We are leaving the customs union).
"Political stability in Northern Ireland depends on the confidence of both communities that their interests are being respected. Just as any undermining of the current soft land border would be economically, politically and socially unacceptable, so strengthened checks for UK and Irish citizens at the sea boundary between Northern Ireland and Great Britain would be politically divisive and inherently undesirable. Other solutions must be identified, to ensure that the positive progress of recent years in developing UK-Irish relations and promoting stability in Northern Ireland is not undermined by Brexit."
"The Belfast/Good Friday Agreement assumes that the co-guarantors are both Member States of the EU."
"We also note that the incorporation of the ECHR into the law of Northern Ireland is an obligation of the Belfast/Good Friday Agreement. The Government’s intention to repeal the Human Rights Act will put it at risk of breaching this obligation unless the ECHR is incorporated into the law of Northern Ireland by means of the Government’s proposed Bill of Rights."
"The peace process is supported by a majority of people from across the communities, and it would be irresponsible to overstate the threat posed by Brexit."
"The EU has a strong interest in supporting this approach. It has made a significant contribution to the peace process, both politically and financially. It is therefore not in the interests of the EU, any more than of the UK and Ireland, for political stability in Northern Ireland, facilitated by the Belfast/Good Friday Agreement and subsequent agreements, to be put at risk by Brexit."
"As this report has fully demonstrated, Brexit has profound and unique implications for Ireland, North and South, and for UK-Irish relations."
"EU funding has had a positive transformative effect on Northern Ireland, and on the border regions in particular. The Northern Ireland economy is more dependent on EU funding than any other nation or region of the UK, and its loss could have a devastating effect."
Do you honestly believe the government's approach has given any consideration to the above concerns??
How is that desperate?
Would May ever wear something garishly red in public in the UK?
No way.
She did it to pander to the Republicans.. if anyone's desperate it's Theresa May.
And what has she been told? Quick deal once Britain is out of the EU.
So 2 years + then.
Let's see what the political landscape will be then. If May needs some sort of political capital I'd be very circumspect about the terms of the "quick deal" being mutually balanced.
Britain has to work on getting out of the EU, with a negotiating team that does not yet exist!
The Americans can go about setting up a trade deal position that they can put forward for the "quick deal"
Why would the Americans offer Britain a trade deal that is more preferential than what they would give the EU?
Uk = 50m people
EU = 500m people
What would a capitalist choose to prioritise?
Lots of instances of nationals from the banned countries, with US Green Cards and having been in the US for years, not being able to get back into the US today from all parts of the globe. God forbid they may have been radicalised on their business trip.
Very sad state of affairs.
By the time the UK acquires full autonomy of its trading schedules, leaves the EU, renegotiates Single Market access/trade and economic policies, ascends, rejoins the WTO, Trump will have served his time as POTUS.
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 1 hour, 44 minutes ago
By the time the UK acquires full autonomy of its trading schedules, leaves the EU, renegotiates Single Market access/trade and economic policies, ascends, rejoins the WTO, Trump will have served his time as POTUS.
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Good man for posting that report for me, and it does paint a rather negative picture for us.
I may be insane, but I think Ulster and Eire, the UK and Ireland, can and will work closely together in the coming years.
Nobody wants sectarian and national identity violence again, and frankly, that report is hypothetical.....what might happen.
If good people want to make it work, it will.
TBAB
As May has stated the UK will leave the Customs Union. She wouldn't have set up Department for International Trade otherwise) the HoL's analysis is therefore no longer speculative.
When combined with the HoL's other publications, (trade, financial services, Agri, etc)...
http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/lords-select/eu-select-committee-/publications/
...we now have a clear picture of the government's intentions. For example we're leaving the Common Agriculture Policy.
Unfortunately with the best will in the world, the road the government are taking has given no consideration to the province. English interests will take precedence. Even look at the broken promises in regard to Scotland.
Northern Ireland's future prosperity is literally in the hands of the EU27, and 38 regional European governments. Many/most of which have more important concerns.
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 27 minutes ago
TBAB
As May has stated the UK will leave the Customs Union. She wouldn't have set up Department for International Trade otherwise) the HoL's analysis is therefore no longer speculative.
When combined with the HoL's other publications, (trade, financial services, Agri, etc)...
http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/lords-select/eu-select-committee-/publications/
...we now have a clear picture of the government's intentions. For example we're leaving the Common Agriculture Policy.
Unfortunately with the best will in the world, the road the government are taking has given no consideration to the province. English interests will take precedence. Even look at the broken promises in regard to Scotland.
Northern Ireland's future prosperity is literally in the hands of the EU27, and 38 regional European governments. Many/most of which have more important concerns.
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Stuff or Pearcey.......not sure what to call you bud,but my name is Michael.
The referendum was our chance to decide, and some say the wrong question was asked by Cameron when he got nothing from the Eu?
Leave won democratically, and many in the poor parts of Ulster, South Wales, Scotland, north of England, east coast, midlands etc backed brexit.
How would you go forward, considering how the vote went?
Should democracy be binned, like Dublin did when Irish voters were labelled thick, and told, go vote again on Europe?
We are where we are, so we make the best of it,just as we did before the seventies and the Brussels jape.
First and foremost, I'm a democrat, and putting the obvious divisions referendum cause, I agree the result has to be respected.
That said if the much anticipated/discussions come to pass, I'm not so sure that there will be an appetite, or as much enthusiasm, to leave.
That's why a motion has been raised in Dublin. To ascertain if a50 is revocable. In that, if the EU 'stiff us' and the deal is so bad that it presents a significant risk to the UK, parliament can then decide on whether to accept the consequences. Or revoke a50. Can't see it happening but I would prefer an election, or referendum giving the public the final say.
Appreciate there are many who want to leave regardless but I think it's a sensible/responsible way to approach it.
WWSPD,
Have you read this?
http://motherboard.vice.com/read/big-data-cambridge-analytica-brexit-trump
Feckin scary.
I hope they haven't been working with Marie LePen
comment by IAWT... or do we? (U10012)
posted 5 hours, 58 minutes ago
WWSPD,
Have you read this?
http://motherboard.vice.com/read/big-data-cambridge-analytica-brexit-trump
Feckin scary.
I hope they haven't been working with Marie LePen
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I remember reading a piece a while back about how social media had been used by Vote Leave to target specific demographics, and in turn circulate propaganda.
That article you posted is far more in depth cheers!
It certainly makes you think!!! The far right group Britain First were able to gain a massive amount of followers by posting pictures of things like an abused dog, with a “like and share if you think animal cruelty should be stopped”. As soon as people hit the ‘like’ button Britain First were able to gain access to your entire Facebook profile.
They often cite their Facebook followers as recognition, or some sort of validation of their cause. Think Facebook have thankfully since updated their security settings.
I watched Snowden the other week (good film). About the ex CIA whistleblower, now living in Russia. The online information the CIA were able to obtain is/was scary!!
Even if a laptop is turned off, the CIA are able to connect to its webcam and view content, anywhere!!
Watched Davies Brexit speech this evening.
Does anyone know where it said on the referendum balott that we'd be leaving Euratom, (agency responsible for nuclear safety and security)?
Makes no sense whatsoever, as it's not a requirement of EU membership. It's a separate entity governed by EU institutions.
But more importantly it involves the study and sharing of scientific research, for the nuclear industry across Europe and further afield. And Davies confirmed today that the UK are leaving.
Great reactionary quote from professor Brian Cox:
"I'm trying to use temperate language, so here goes:
Terrifically stupid, utterly sh !t headed, myopically parochial idiocy. Pointless damage."
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 13 minutes ago
Watched Davies Brexit speech this evening.
Does anyone know where it said on the referendum balott that we'd be leaving Euratom, (agency responsible for nuclear safety and security)?
Makes no sense whatsoever, as it's not a requirement of EU membership. It's a separate entity governed by EU institutions.
But more importantly it involves the study and sharing of scientific research, for the nuclear industry across Europe and further afield. And Davies confirmed today that the UK are leaving.
Great reactionary quote from professor Brian Cox:
"I'm trying to use temperate language, so here goes:
Terrifically stupid, utterly sh !t headed, myopically parochial idiocy. Pointless damage."
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Goonets beaten by Watford...spurs drew and Chelsea drawing at An field.
Mon Chelsea
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 25 minutes ago
Watched Davies Brexit speech this evening.
Does anyone know where it said on the referendum balott that we'd be leaving Euratom, (agency responsible for nuclear safety and security)?
Makes no sense whatsoever, as it's not a requirement of EU membership. It's a separate entity governed by EU institutions.
But more importantly it involves the study and sharing of scientific research, for the nuclear industry across Europe and further afield. And Davies confirmed today that the UK are leaving.
Great reactionary quote from professor Brian Cox:
"I'm trying to use temperate language, so here goes:
Terrifically stupid, utterly sh !t headed, myopically parochial idiocy. Pointless damage."
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It does look like the government has decided to press the auto destruction button. Some of the late decisions have been astonishing to say the least.
comment by IAWT... or do we? (U10012)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 25 minutes ago
Watched Davies Brexit speech this evening.
Does anyone know where it said on the referendum balott that we'd be leaving Euratom, (agency responsible for nuclear safety and security)?
Makes no sense whatsoever, as it's not a requirement of EU membership. It's a separate entity governed by EU institutions.
But more importantly it involves the study and sharing of scientific research, for the nuclear industry across Europe and further afield. And Davies confirmed today that the UK are leaving.
Great reactionary quote from professor Brian Cox:
"I'm trying to use temperate language, so here goes:
Terrifically stupid, utterly sh !t headed, myopically parochial idiocy. Pointless damage."
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It does look like the government has decided to press the auto destruction button. Some of the late decisions have been astonishing to say the least.
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It's like self harm, on a national scale...
"Apparently you follow the rabbit down the hole and you emerge in a wonderland where suddenly countries around the world are queuing up to give us trading advantages and access to their markets that previously we had never been able to achieve as part of the European union, Nice men like President Trump and President Erdoฤan are just impatient to abandon their normal protectionism and give us access.”
old Ken, mocking the lemmings and cutting to the nub of this pointless exercise.
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 1 minute ago
"Apparently you follow the rabbit down the hole and you emerge in a wonderland where suddenly countries around the world are queuing up to give us trading advantages and access to their markets that previously we had never been able to achieve as part of the European union, Nice men like President Trump and President Erdoฤan are just impatient to abandon their normal protectionism and give us access.”
old Ken, mocking the lemmings and cutting to the nub of this pointless exercise.
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Was aul Ken Clarke sober?๐
He even said Enoch Powell wouldnt recognise this Tory party.
Well if he wasn't sober, it's a sobering comment from him for all those drunk on Brexit thinking that countries want to give us access to their markets for nothing in return.
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 2 minutes ago
He even said Enoch Powell wouldnt recognise this Tory party.
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I saw Powell lecture at Queens in Belfast.....a great mind.
Some Interestiing views, and Enoch convinced me to oppose hanging etc, in that speech.He felt killing people would put a jury off finding offenders guilty, for a start.
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posted on 28/1/17
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 3 minutes ago
WWSPD
I thought he dodged LK's question and gave a politicians answer. I suppose that's a step forward. Surprised he didn't send a Tweet out slating her afterwards.
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Totally (dodged). But don't think it was the right environment to give detailed answers. Was basically a PR exercise. For both sides.
posted on 28/1/17
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 4 hours, 23 minutes ago
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 5 minutes ago
Got to say well done Laura Kuenssberg for asking the wig wearing narcissist a very eloquent question that most of us have been wondering. Completely stumped him.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-theresa-may-latest-white-house-laura-kuenssberg-bbc-special-relationship-a7550311.html
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Did you see Trump's speech. He has the reading ability of a child. To be fair he answered the press questions quite well. But his speech beforehand was embarrassing.
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Poor Trump eh,compared to the rest of us.
Where did it all go wrong for him๐ฏ
posted on 28/1/17
Corbyn thought an Ulster policeman died, so offers sympathy in parliament........then forces a three line whip on his party, even though he rebelled for thirty years himself.
Now, if only he ruled the world, alongside Gambia's Argos security guard president.
Why are yeez obsessed by every word from Trump?
posted on 28/1/17
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posted on 28/1/17
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - ููุณุทูู (U1860)
posted 5 hours, 6 minutes ago
I see May in Washington, sold out and wore a bright red dress (quite garish), rather than a demure outfit representing the tories.
How much pandering did she do behind closed doors I wonder.
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That is a desperate, just desperate. You really are trying to look for something that isn't there.
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This
The left and remain are raging that America and brexit UK could do a mutually beneficial deal.
It is silly now, beyond farce.If Trump farts they will say he wrecked the o zone.
Corbyn and Bernie Sanders were anti- TPP and we see May and Trump say no more Iraq type wars, but the haters only see holding hands and shoes๐๐๐๐
Diplomacy with Russia is frowned upon by the left now, even though the redflagbrigade were all back ver Russia until recently.
Oh how the corbynista, Democrats and lib dems are squirming today.๐
posted on 28/1/17
That is a desperate, just desperate. You really are trying to look for something that isn't there.
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Its always there for some,if they can't see it they invent it,
May gave a first class account of herself,a credit to the country.
posted on 28/1/17
TBAB
Since you haven't had a chance to read the HOL Northern Ireland findings, I'll copy some of their conclusions and recommendations for you.
This report was conducted on a non partisan basis. They consulted business leaders, (North and south) industry experts, diplomats, economists, legal experts, and many others, so they could provide an independent report. Which, given the government's position has been completely ignored.
"Any potential negative impact of Brexit will probably be more significant for Ireland than for any other Member State, in particular in the event of any economic downturn in the UK, or in the event of tariffs or other barriers to trade being introduced between the UK and the EU. The agri-food and manufacturing sectors, and the SMEs that work within them, would probably be worst affected, given their reliance on UK exports, and this could place a particular burden on the communities that rely on these industries."
"While the First Minister and the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland perceive opportunities for Northern Ireland outside the EU, our evidence suggests that the risks to the Northern Ireland economy posed by Brexit probably outweigh the opportunities. Northern Ireland’s agri-food and manufacturing sectors stand to be particularly affected."
"Retaining customs-free trade between the UK and Ireland will be essential if the current soft border arrangements are to be maintained."
"Despite ministerial recognition of the substantial implications Brexit could have for cross-border economic activity on the island of Ireland, there is still significant uncertainty over how the UK plans to mitigate these effects, and over the priority they will receive in withdrawal negotiations."
"Retaining customs-free trade between the UK and Ireland will be essential if the current soft border arrangements are to be maintained."
(We are leaving the customs union).
"Political stability in Northern Ireland depends on the confidence of both communities that their interests are being respected. Just as any undermining of the current soft land border would be economically, politically and socially unacceptable, so strengthened checks for UK and Irish citizens at the sea boundary between Northern Ireland and Great Britain would be politically divisive and inherently undesirable. Other solutions must be identified, to ensure that the positive progress of recent years in developing UK-Irish relations and promoting stability in Northern Ireland is not undermined by Brexit."
"The Belfast/Good Friday Agreement assumes that the co-guarantors are both Member States of the EU."
"We also note that the incorporation of the ECHR into the law of Northern Ireland is an obligation of the Belfast/Good Friday Agreement. The Government’s intention to repeal the Human Rights Act will put it at risk of breaching this obligation unless the ECHR is incorporated into the law of Northern Ireland by means of the Government’s proposed Bill of Rights."
"The peace process is supported by a majority of people from across the communities, and it would be irresponsible to overstate the threat posed by Brexit."
"The EU has a strong interest in supporting this approach. It has made a significant contribution to the peace process, both politically and financially. It is therefore not in the interests of the EU, any more than of the UK and Ireland, for political stability in Northern Ireland, facilitated by the Belfast/Good Friday Agreement and subsequent agreements, to be put at risk by Brexit."
"As this report has fully demonstrated, Brexit has profound and unique implications for Ireland, North and South, and for UK-Irish relations."
"EU funding has had a positive transformative effect on Northern Ireland, and on the border regions in particular. The Northern Ireland economy is more dependent on EU funding than any other nation or region of the UK, and its loss could have a devastating effect."
Do you honestly believe the government's approach has given any consideration to the above concerns??
posted on 28/1/17
How is that desperate?
Would May ever wear something garishly red in public in the UK?
No way.
She did it to pander to the Republicans.. if anyone's desperate it's Theresa May.
And what has she been told? Quick deal once Britain is out of the EU.
So 2 years + then.
Let's see what the political landscape will be then. If May needs some sort of political capital I'd be very circumspect about the terms of the "quick deal" being mutually balanced.
Britain has to work on getting out of the EU, with a negotiating team that does not yet exist!
The Americans can go about setting up a trade deal position that they can put forward for the "quick deal"
Why would the Americans offer Britain a trade deal that is more preferential than what they would give the EU?
Uk = 50m people
EU = 500m people
What would a capitalist choose to prioritise?
posted on 28/1/17
Lots of instances of nationals from the banned countries, with US Green Cards and having been in the US for years, not being able to get back into the US today from all parts of the globe. God forbid they may have been radicalised on their business trip.
Very sad state of affairs.
posted on 28/1/17
By the time the UK acquires full autonomy of its trading schedules, leaves the EU, renegotiates Single Market access/trade and economic policies, ascends, rejoins the WTO, Trump will have served his time as POTUS.
posted on 28/1/17
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 1 hour, 44 minutes ago
By the time the UK acquires full autonomy of its trading schedules, leaves the EU, renegotiates Single Market access/trade and economic policies, ascends, rejoins the WTO, Trump will have served his time as POTUS.
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Good man for posting that report for me, and it does paint a rather negative picture for us.
I may be insane, but I think Ulster and Eire, the UK and Ireland, can and will work closely together in the coming years.
Nobody wants sectarian and national identity violence again, and frankly, that report is hypothetical.....what might happen.
If good people want to make it work, it will.
posted on 28/1/17
TBAB
As May has stated the UK will leave the Customs Union. She wouldn't have set up Department for International Trade otherwise) the HoL's analysis is therefore no longer speculative.
When combined with the HoL's other publications, (trade, financial services, Agri, etc)...
http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/lords-select/eu-select-committee-/publications/
...we now have a clear picture of the government's intentions. For example we're leaving the Common Agriculture Policy.
Unfortunately with the best will in the world, the road the government are taking has given no consideration to the province. English interests will take precedence. Even look at the broken promises in regard to Scotland.
Northern Ireland's future prosperity is literally in the hands of the EU27, and 38 regional European governments. Many/most of which have more important concerns.
posted on 28/1/17
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 27 minutes ago
TBAB
As May has stated the UK will leave the Customs Union. She wouldn't have set up Department for International Trade otherwise) the HoL's analysis is therefore no longer speculative.
When combined with the HoL's other publications, (trade, financial services, Agri, etc)...
http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/lords-select/eu-select-committee-/publications/
...we now have a clear picture of the government's intentions. For example we're leaving the Common Agriculture Policy.
Unfortunately with the best will in the world, the road the government are taking has given no consideration to the province. English interests will take precedence. Even look at the broken promises in regard to Scotland.
Northern Ireland's future prosperity is literally in the hands of the EU27, and 38 regional European governments. Many/most of which have more important concerns.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Stuff or Pearcey.......not sure what to call you bud,but my name is Michael.
The referendum was our chance to decide, and some say the wrong question was asked by Cameron when he got nothing from the Eu?
Leave won democratically, and many in the poor parts of Ulster, South Wales, Scotland, north of England, east coast, midlands etc backed brexit.
How would you go forward, considering how the vote went?
Should democracy be binned, like Dublin did when Irish voters were labelled thick, and told, go vote again on Europe?
We are where we are, so we make the best of it,just as we did before the seventies and the Brussels jape.
posted on 28/1/17
First and foremost, I'm a democrat, and putting the obvious divisions referendum cause, I agree the result has to be respected.
That said if the much anticipated/discussions come to pass, I'm not so sure that there will be an appetite, or as much enthusiasm, to leave.
That's why a motion has been raised in Dublin. To ascertain if a50 is revocable. In that, if the EU 'stiff us' and the deal is so bad that it presents a significant risk to the UK, parliament can then decide on whether to accept the consequences. Or revoke a50. Can't see it happening but I would prefer an election, or referendum giving the public the final say.
Appreciate there are many who want to leave regardless but I think it's a sensible/responsible way to approach it.
posted on 30/1/17
WWSPD,
Have you read this?
http://motherboard.vice.com/read/big-data-cambridge-analytica-brexit-trump
Feckin scary.
I hope they haven't been working with Marie LePen
posted on 30/1/17
comment by IAWT... or do we? (U10012)
posted 5 hours, 58 minutes ago
WWSPD,
Have you read this?
http://motherboard.vice.com/read/big-data-cambridge-analytica-brexit-trump
Feckin scary.
I hope they haven't been working with Marie LePen
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I remember reading a piece a while back about how social media had been used by Vote Leave to target specific demographics, and in turn circulate propaganda.
That article you posted is far more in depth cheers!
It certainly makes you think!!! The far right group Britain First were able to gain a massive amount of followers by posting pictures of things like an abused dog, with a “like and share if you think animal cruelty should be stopped”. As soon as people hit the ‘like’ button Britain First were able to gain access to your entire Facebook profile.
They often cite their Facebook followers as recognition, or some sort of validation of their cause. Think Facebook have thankfully since updated their security settings.
I watched Snowden the other week (good film). About the ex CIA whistleblower, now living in Russia. The online information the CIA were able to obtain is/was scary!!
Even if a laptop is turned off, the CIA are able to connect to its webcam and view content, anywhere!!
posted on 31/1/17
Watched Davies Brexit speech this evening.
Does anyone know where it said on the referendum balott that we'd be leaving Euratom, (agency responsible for nuclear safety and security)?
Makes no sense whatsoever, as it's not a requirement of EU membership. It's a separate entity governed by EU institutions.
But more importantly it involves the study and sharing of scientific research, for the nuclear industry across Europe and further afield. And Davies confirmed today that the UK are leaving.
Great reactionary quote from professor Brian Cox:
"I'm trying to use temperate language, so here goes:
Terrifically stupid, utterly sh !t headed, myopically parochial idiocy. Pointless damage."
posted on 31/1/17
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 13 minutes ago
Watched Davies Brexit speech this evening.
Does anyone know where it said on the referendum balott that we'd be leaving Euratom, (agency responsible for nuclear safety and security)?
Makes no sense whatsoever, as it's not a requirement of EU membership. It's a separate entity governed by EU institutions.
But more importantly it involves the study and sharing of scientific research, for the nuclear industry across Europe and further afield. And Davies confirmed today that the UK are leaving.
Great reactionary quote from professor Brian Cox:
"I'm trying to use temperate language, so here goes:
Terrifically stupid, utterly sh !t headed, myopically parochial idiocy. Pointless damage."
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Goonets beaten by Watford...spurs drew and Chelsea drawing at An field.
Mon Chelsea
posted on 31/1/17
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 25 minutes ago
Watched Davies Brexit speech this evening.
Does anyone know where it said on the referendum balott that we'd be leaving Euratom, (agency responsible for nuclear safety and security)?
Makes no sense whatsoever, as it's not a requirement of EU membership. It's a separate entity governed by EU institutions.
But more importantly it involves the study and sharing of scientific research, for the nuclear industry across Europe and further afield. And Davies confirmed today that the UK are leaving.
Great reactionary quote from professor Brian Cox:
"I'm trying to use temperate language, so here goes:
Terrifically stupid, utterly sh !t headed, myopically parochial idiocy. Pointless damage."
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It does look like the government has decided to press the auto destruction button. Some of the late decisions have been astonishing to say the least.
posted on 31/1/17
comment by IAWT... or do we? (U10012)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 25 minutes ago
Watched Davies Brexit speech this evening.
Does anyone know where it said on the referendum balott that we'd be leaving Euratom, (agency responsible for nuclear safety and security)?
Makes no sense whatsoever, as it's not a requirement of EU membership. It's a separate entity governed by EU institutions.
But more importantly it involves the study and sharing of scientific research, for the nuclear industry across Europe and further afield. And Davies confirmed today that the UK are leaving.
Great reactionary quote from professor Brian Cox:
"I'm trying to use temperate language, so here goes:
Terrifically stupid, utterly sh !t headed, myopically parochial idiocy. Pointless damage."
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It does look like the government has decided to press the auto destruction button. Some of the late decisions have been astonishing to say the least.
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It's like self harm, on a national scale...
posted on 31/1/17
"Apparently you follow the rabbit down the hole and you emerge in a wonderland where suddenly countries around the world are queuing up to give us trading advantages and access to their markets that previously we had never been able to achieve as part of the European union, Nice men like President Trump and President Erdoฤan are just impatient to abandon their normal protectionism and give us access.”
old Ken, mocking the lemmings and cutting to the nub of this pointless exercise.
posted on 31/1/17
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 1 minute ago
"Apparently you follow the rabbit down the hole and you emerge in a wonderland where suddenly countries around the world are queuing up to give us trading advantages and access to their markets that previously we had never been able to achieve as part of the European union, Nice men like President Trump and President Erdoฤan are just impatient to abandon their normal protectionism and give us access.”
old Ken, mocking the lemmings and cutting to the nub of this pointless exercise.
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Was aul Ken Clarke sober?๐
posted on 31/1/17
He even said Enoch Powell wouldnt recognise this Tory party.
posted on 31/1/17
Well if he wasn't sober, it's a sobering comment from him for all those drunk on Brexit thinking that countries want to give us access to their markets for nothing in return.
posted on 31/1/17
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 2 minutes ago
He even said Enoch Powell wouldnt recognise this Tory party.
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I saw Powell lecture at Queens in Belfast.....a great mind.
Some Interestiing views, and Enoch convinced me to oppose hanging etc, in that speech.He felt killing people would put a jury off finding offenders guilty, for a start.
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