TBAB
Nothing wrong with having an opinion. Even if it happens to be peculiar, or at times verging on the xenophobic.
Your personal opinion however continually conflicts with proven factual data.
You ignore universal migration information, statistics, experts etc etc. And in turn cite personal perceptions, (life experiences) as an argument; a counterclaim. In the same way some people used to believe the Earth was flat.
As noted above, there have been occasions however when you have accepted you have been wrong. But then at a later date, espouse the same nonsensical rhetoric. Seemingly oblivious to past corrections.
There are some things which transcend political persuasion. Yet everything appears to be right or left, liberal or conservative to you.
You would like folks to accept your opinion above all else, and afford it due consideration. The internet is a wonderful knowledge tool.
Suggest you make use of it. You might learn a thing or two
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Zlatan
Even as a child of the 80's I can remember the racism that was prevalent back then, and was done so far more openly than today. I don't know where TBAB gets this idea of integration and people from those countries being welcomed with open arms. I had two Aunties that lived in Hounslow and Ealing, and we'd go down to visit. On occasion we'd pass through places like Southall and be amazed at the sea of turbans and people of different nationalities.
It's only natural for people in an unfamiliar land to stick with their own. Us Brits have been doing it since way back when, and still do today. Look at the ex-pat community in Spain for example. I've always seen us Brits as being one of the worst for integrating into other cultures, be it whilst living abroad or on holiday. It takes a generation or two for integration to take effect. Usually by the children of migrants. Luckily racism and xenophobia aren't as prevalent as it was back then, although there seems to be a shift backwards at the moment.
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comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 2 minutes ago
Zlatan
Even as a child of the 80's I can remember the racism that was prevalent back then, and was done so far more openly than today. I don't know where TBAB gets this idea of integration and people from those countries being welcomed with open arms. I had two Aunties that lived in Hounslow and Ealing, and we'd go down to visit. On occasion we'd pass through places like Southall and be amazed at the sea of turbans and people of different nationalities.
It's only natural for people in an unfamiliar land to stick with their own. Us Brits have been doing it since way back when, and still do today. Look at the ex-pat community in Spain for example. I've always seen us Brits as being one of the worst for integrating into other cultures, be it whilst living abroad or on holiday. It takes a generation or two for integration to take effect. Usually by the children of migrants. Luckily racism and xenophobia aren't as prevalent as it was back then, although there seems to be a shift backwards at the moment.
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A bit similar here in NI (integration).
People are beginning to change, and integration between both communities is becoming the norm. Especially with the young. Which bodes well for the future.
However 'orange and green' still dominates politics. Regardless of mandate or policy, most voters in Northern Ireland vote based on sectarian views.
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 39 minutes ago
TBAB
Nope, I don't know you. I can only go off what you've u say on here. This is why I said the views you've expressed............
Why do you think I'm of the opinion you have a problem with refugees, immigrants and migrants coming to these shores for various reasons?
This also makes me laugh;
"When French Protestants, Jews and west Indian migrants came here,,nu here were small and mixing was mostly good"
Really? Do you not remember the racism during the 60's, 70's and 80's inflicted on the above people? You left off Indians and Pakistanis that came over here and experienced a warm racist British welcome.
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I hate racism and racists, in all colours.
I have spoken against early racism in the UK, and on football terraces, and I did not leave out one group through prejudice, but was merely referring to historical migration.
In my work and life I meet people from all nations, faith, races etc, and as stated repeatedly, I have respect for all, and people arriving here, or who have moved here are often better human beings, for want of a more pc term.
Often, I find Asian and east Europeans with a better grasp of English, manners and work/ education than locals.
Does that make me racist, a snob, a Tory?????
In my early posts it was to counter claims of little cultural change due to mass demographic change.
This, i knew, would be taken out of context, but if you look at census stats in say Southall, and then say No Cultural Change here, that is fake news.
Now, I worked with Sikh and Indian people at Heathrow from Southall area and they were sound, and brought in the best food for us all on Friday's, when management got Chinese food in too.
My point is, there has been change, some good and some that concerns others.
I welcome refugees fleeing war, and said so many times.
I don't oppose Immigration or judge people on race, gender, or faith.
However, I do see problems with mass rapid demographic change in the UK and Europe, and as a unionist/ loyalist and patriot, I will speak up for what I believe in.
In doing so, I do not hate others!
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posted 2 minutes ago
Happy feet
You assume I hate people on racial grounds or faith, right?Or if people are from abroad?
I do not, and respect all.
Bad in all groups, white or whatever, and nice in all peoples too.
I have met wonderful people from all creeds and colour, and live and work and play among some not nice white Brits a d Irish!
Do not presume to know me, or infer racism in my job!
Good lad, now jog on.
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Tbf you do come across Alf Garnett but more hardcore.
I have has good conversations with you where I think ok he has accepted what he said to be untrue to then find the same being spouted by you on another thread
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Afternoon bud.
Alf was a spurs/ west ham fan???????😫😫😫😫😫😫😫
We agree to disagree, and hold different views,but eventually you will see the error of your ways.
My opinions are from individual free thought, so may alter, and differ from the right side of history, buy who cares about that bull?
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posted 41 seconds ago
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 6 minutes ago
Zlatan
Even as a child of the 80's I can remember the racism that was prevalent back then, and was done so far more openly than today. I don't know where TBAB gets this idea of integration and people from those countries being welcomed with open arms. I had two Aunties that lived in Hounslow and Ealing, and we'd go down to visit. On occasion we'd pass through places like Southall and be amazed at the sea of turbans and people of different nationalities.
It's only natural for people in an unfamiliar land to stick with their own. Us Brits have been doing it since way back when, and still do today. Look at the ex-pat community in Spain for example. I've always seen us Brits as being one of the worst for integrating into other cultures, be it whilst living abroad or on holiday. It takes a generation or two for integration to take effect. Usually by the children of migrants. Luckily racism and xenophobia aren't as prevalent as it was back then, although there seems to be a shift backwards at the moment.
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Brits are the worst for integrating are they? What are the nationalities you are comparing?
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How many Brits do you know that can speak another language fluently?
Why do nations previously under empire rule speak English, yet we don't speak their language?
Why are there ex-pat communities wherever us Brits decide to settle?
We're complacent when it comes to other countries. Most of the world speaks English as a second/third language so we don't bother speaking the indigenous language. Plenty of other countries speak more than one language from school age. We're not that bothered. For example how much French can you remember from school?
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comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 8 minutes ago
TBAB
Nope, I don't know you. I can only go off what you've u say on here. This is why I said the views you've expressed............
Why do you think I'm of the opinion you have a problem with refugees, immigrants and migrants coming to these shores for various reasons?
This also makes me laugh;
"When French Protestants, Jews and west Indian migrants came here,,nu here were small and mixing was mostly good"
Really? Do you not remember the racism during the 60's, 70's and 80's inflicted on the above people? You left off Indians and Pakistanis that came over here and experienced a warm racist British welcome.
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My own experience of the late 70's was not being able to go to the local park alone. As soon as you walked in a bunch of teens would walk straight over and start giving you grief. I got jumped by about 20 white lads I was 13. They were all 16+
At 16 I went to a college where for the first time I met many of my kind. Safety in numbers and all that and I started to fight back and then I was the problem
I have no animosity towards anyone, married to a white lass etc. However I still believe that the early immigrants were forced into ghettos and were always subservient preferring to walk away.
Later generations couldn't walk away and became a problem as they wouldn't just shut up and take it
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Pathetic bullies mate, using race too.
Wrong, just wrong, like black and Asian attacks on whites!
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comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 11 minutes ago
If it walks like a duck quacks like a duck it is probably a duck. Someone who bangs on about immigrants everyday......
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What are you?
Do you read my posts, or just sees a few words and post snide comments?
Open your eyes and mind and see my continuous criticism of all racism, sectarianism, and hate.
Grow up cal.
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posted 2 minutes ago
Zlatan
Even as a child of the 80's I can remember the racism that was prevalent back then, and was done so far more openly than today. I don't know where TBAB gets this idea of integration and people from those countries being welcomed with open arms. I had two Aunties that lived in Hounslow and Ealing, and we'd go down to visit. On occasion we'd pass through places like Southall and be amazed at the sea of turbans and people of different nationalities.
It's only natural for people in an unfamiliar land to stick with their own. Us Brits have been doing it since way back when, and still do today. Look at the ex-pat community in Spain for example. I've always seen us Brits as being one of the worst for integrating into other cultures, be it whilst living abroad or on holiday. It takes a generation or two for integration to take effect. Usually by the children of migrants. Luckily racism and xenophobia aren't as prevalent as it was back then, although there seems to be a shift backwards at the moment.
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A bit similar here in NI (integration).
People are beginning to change, and integration between both communities is becoming the norm. Especially with the young. Which bodes well for the future.
However 'orange and green' still dominates politics. Regardless of mandate or policy, most voters in Northern Ireland vote based on sectarian views.
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Sad, but true.
A new norn iron identity is growing, and as a mixed marriage man, I see positives ahead.
I have my best chats with Celtic guys here, at work etc, and they know I am a loyalist Rangers fan, and I know they are republican celts, but we respect each other, and have a laugh.
The new ra need to go away you know.
I also think north and south and Brits and Irish are more friendly than before.
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comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 6 minutes ago
Zlatan
Even as a child of the 80's I can remember the racism that was prevalent back then, and was done so far more openly than today. I don't know where TBAB gets this idea of integration and people from those countries being welcomed with open arms. I had two Aunties that lived in Hounslow and Ealing, and we'd go down to visit. On occasion we'd pass through places like Southall and be amazed at the sea of turbans and people of different nationalities.
It's only natural for people in an unfamiliar land to stick with their own. Us Brits have been doing it since way back when, and still do today. Look at the ex-pat community in Spain for example. I've always seen us Brits as being one of the worst for integrating into other cultures, be it whilst living abroad or on holiday. It takes a generation or two for integration to take effect. Usually by the children of migrants. Luckily racism and xenophobia aren't as prevalent as it was back then, although there seems to be a shift backwards at the moment.
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Brits are the worst for integrating are they? What are the nationalities you are comparing?
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How many Brits do you know that can speak another language fluently?
Why do nations previously under empire rule speak English, yet we don't speak their language?
Why are there ex-pat communities wherever us Brits decide to settle?
We're complacent when it comes to other countries. Most of the world speaks English as a second/third language so we don't bother speaking the indigenous language. Plenty of other countries speak more than one language from school age. We're not that bothered. For example how much French can you remember from school?
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Wee wee je suis bilingual, so a am😊
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 6 minutes ago
English is THE International Language. How many English language schools are there around the world? Now compared that to any other language.
So, the countries that were in the Empire learn to speak 1 new language, but the Brits need to learn ALL the languages of the colonies?
Why are their expat communities? Errr, more social?
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You miss the point. Other countries are more open about learning other languages and using that to integrate at a later date. Spanish is spoken morearpund the world. Yet you don't see Spaniards coming over here shouting at us in Spanish. They speak English.
JS are you suggesting us Brits do integrate abroad?
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posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 2 minutes ago
Zlatan
Even as a child of the 80's I can remember the racism that was prevalent back then, and was done so far more openly than today. I don't know where TBAB gets this idea of integration and people from those countries being welcomed with open arms. I had two Aunties that lived in Hounslow and Ealing, and we'd go down to visit. On occasion we'd pass through places like Southall and be amazed at the sea of turbans and people of different nationalities.
It's only natural for people in an unfamiliar land to stick with their own. Us Brits have been doing it since way back when, and still do today. Look at the ex-pat community in Spain for example. I've always seen us Brits as being one of the worst for integrating into other cultures, be it whilst living abroad or on holiday. It takes a generation or two for integration to take effect. Usually by the children of migrants. Luckily racism and xenophobia aren't as prevalent as it was back then, although there seems to be a shift backwards at the moment.
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A bit similar here in NI (integration).
People are beginning to change, and integration between both communities is becoming the norm. Especially with the young. Which bodes well for the future.
However 'orange and green' still dominates politics. Regardless of mandate or policy, most voters in Northern Ireland vote based on sectarian views.
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You cheeky git telling me to learn stuff on tinernet, earlier😁
You did not prove me wrong by listing stats or organisations and as I said, I too have seen stats...if you wish I will post details later.
I do not rely on personal experience, but as you see, posters today relate personal experience of racism, or being an Southall, so does that make them I'll informed or wrong.
If someone says they were attacked by awhitegang, does it help to say statistically, you are more likely to receive Injuries on the roads?
Do you see my point?
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 6 minutes ago
You are a racist. You try to weasel out of it but you keep coming back with your anti immigrant rants. That is why I don't take you serious any more or try to debate with you. Hillary wanting war with Russia the latest example of your idiocy.
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Boring racist gibberish.
Hilary was celebrating when Gadaffi was raped by a knife, and butchered, and she gloated about this death, whilst messing up in Benghazi Libya.
Hilary was anti-Russian, and those pushing for no fly zones in Syria would have confronted Russian jets, thus possibly leading to confrontation.
That is why Russia was given free reign with Assad, as the west feared war with Putin if they tried to stop Russian involvement, and Hilary was all over the place, thus endangering peace.
You are not very bright, are you cal?
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posted 24 minutes ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 6 minutes ago
Zlatan
Even as a child of the 80's I can remember the racism that was prevalent back then, and was done so far more openly than today. I don't know where TBAB gets this idea of integration and people from those countries being welcomed with open arms. I had two Aunties that lived in Hounslow and Ealing, and we'd go down to visit. On occasion we'd pass through places like Southall and be amazed at the sea of turbans and people of different nationalities.
It's only natural for people in an unfamiliar land to stick with their own. Us Brits have been doing it since way back when, and still do today. Look at the ex-pat community in Spain for example. I've always seen us Brits as being one of the worst for integrating into other cultures, be it whilst living abroad or on holiday. It takes a generation or two for integration to take effect. Usually by the children of migrants. Luckily racism and xenophobia aren't as prevalent as it was back then, although there seems to be a shift backwards at the moment.
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Brits are the worst for integrating are they? What are the nationalities you are comparing?
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How many Brits do you know that can speak another language fluently?
Why do nations previously under empire rule speak English, yet we don't speak their language?
Why are there ex-pat communities wherever us Brits decide to settle?
We're complacent when it comes to other countries. Most of the world speaks English as a second/third language so we don't bother speaking the indigenous language. Plenty of other countries speak more than one language from school age. We're not that bothered. For example how much French can you remember from school?
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Am I now being accused of saying Indians were welcome with open arms, when I did not, ffs?
Fake news is rife😠
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 6 minutes ago
English is THE International Language. How many English language schools are there around the world? Now compared that to any other language.
So, the countries that were in the Empire learn to speak 1 new language, but the Brits need to learn ALL the languages of the colonies?
Why are their expat communities? Errr, more social?
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You miss the point. Other countries are more open about learning other languages and using that to integrate at a later date. Spanish is spoken morearpund the world. Yet you don't see Spaniards coming over here shouting at us in Spanish. They speak English.
JS are you suggesting us Brits do integrate abroad?
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Agreed, on learning the lingo, us Brits and paddies are lazy.
Just back from Portugal, and the locals can chat to the world.
TBAB
No you said this;
"When French Protestants, Jews and west Indian migrants came here,,nu here were small and mixing was mostly good"
I replied that immigrants coming over here in the 60's, 70's and 80's weren't as welcome as you make out.
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comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 2 minutes ago
Zlatan
Even as a child of the 80's I can remember the racism that was prevalent back then, and was done so far more openly than today. I don't know where TBAB gets this idea of integration and people from those countries being welcomed with open arms. I had two Aunties that lived in Hounslow and Ealing, and we'd go down to visit. On occasion we'd pass through places like Southall and be amazed at the sea of turbans and people of different nationalities.
It's only natural for people in an unfamiliar land to stick with their own. Us Brits have been doing it since way back when, and still do today. Look at the ex-pat community in Spain for example. I've always seen us Brits as being one of the worst for integrating into other cultures, be it whilst living abroad or on holiday. It takes a generation or two for integration to take effect. Usually by the children of migrants. Luckily racism and xenophobia aren't as prevalent as it was back then, although there seems to be a shift backwards at the moment.
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A bit similar here in NI (integration).
People are beginning to change, and integration between both communities is becoming the norm. Especially with the young. Which bodes well for the future.
However 'orange and green' still dominates politics. Regardless of mandate or policy, most voters in Northern Ireland vote based on sectarian views.
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You cheeky git telling me to learn stuff on tinernet, earlier😁
You did not prove me wrong by listing stats or organisations and as I said, I too have seen stats...if you wish I will post details later.
I do not rely on personal experience, but as you see, posters today relate personal experience of racism, or being an Southall, so does that make them I'll informed or wrong.
If someone says they were attacked by awhitegang, does it help to say statistically, you are more likely to receive Injuries on the roads?
Do you see my point?
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Alternative facts?
When you want to obtain information about the weather, the MET office is probably the most reliable source. Whilst there are others, the long established and most reliable sources are used the most.
In regard to migration, and migration figures the data is obtained from various government and private sources.
And in turn analysed/scrutinised/compiled by the ONS.
The data I provided to you previously. It's not open to discussion or argument. And as such your assertion that there is "mass uncontrolled immigration" is false.
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 18 hours, 45 minutes ago
8bit
Talking about culture, I've off to the pub in a minute.
I hear what youre saying but i think youre over egging the pudding, what specific cultural identities are we losing by accepting immigration? Seriously!
We're a multi cultural society and always have been, immigration has been good for the UK, since the war we've had our issues but we've dealt with them and we're a better place for it, I've travelled and lived in a few countries, the UK, bar the weather, is a fantastic place to live. Any problems we have politically are self manufactured by people hankering for the good old days, imo.
Sure we need to control who is coming in, but historically we have been a haven for exiles and dissidents, from Marx and Engels to Litvenenko.
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I'm talking about culture, we've been too soft for too long and we're seeing the results now. Translators for 50+ languages in hospitals, councils, courts etc. instead of getting people to speak English, British humour poking fun at ourselves and each other deemed offensive to some groups, free speech replaced by political correctness and censorship. Segregated areas, no go zones, 100+ sharia law courts in the UK. immigration is good, we have mix of cultures who for the most part get on, food from all around the world etc. but we have to call out where it's not working.
There's synagogues, temples, mosques, all other places of worship all around the country, some of the strictest laws in the world to protect equality and freedom for everyone. All these liberal activists and self loathing protesters talking about fascism and how nasty we are, need to travel and realise we're one of the most tolerant and open places in the world.
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posted on 25/2/17
TBAB
Nothing wrong with having an opinion. Even if it happens to be peculiar, or at times verging on the xenophobic.
Your personal opinion however continually conflicts with proven factual data.
You ignore universal migration information, statistics, experts etc etc. And in turn cite personal perceptions, (life experiences) as an argument; a counterclaim. In the same way some people used to believe the Earth was flat.
As noted above, there have been occasions however when you have accepted you have been wrong. But then at a later date, espouse the same nonsensical rhetoric. Seemingly oblivious to past corrections.
There are some things which transcend political persuasion. Yet everything appears to be right or left, liberal or conservative to you.
You would like folks to accept your opinion above all else, and afford it due consideration. The internet is a wonderful knowledge tool.
Suggest you make use of it. You might learn a thing or two
posted on 25/2/17
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posted on 25/2/17
Zlatan
Even as a child of the 80's I can remember the racism that was prevalent back then, and was done so far more openly than today. I don't know where TBAB gets this idea of integration and people from those countries being welcomed with open arms. I had two Aunties that lived in Hounslow and Ealing, and we'd go down to visit. On occasion we'd pass through places like Southall and be amazed at the sea of turbans and people of different nationalities.
It's only natural for people in an unfamiliar land to stick with their own. Us Brits have been doing it since way back when, and still do today. Look at the ex-pat community in Spain for example. I've always seen us Brits as being one of the worst for integrating into other cultures, be it whilst living abroad or on holiday. It takes a generation or two for integration to take effect. Usually by the children of migrants. Luckily racism and xenophobia aren't as prevalent as it was back then, although there seems to be a shift backwards at the moment.
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posted 2 minutes ago
Zlatan
Even as a child of the 80's I can remember the racism that was prevalent back then, and was done so far more openly than today. I don't know where TBAB gets this idea of integration and people from those countries being welcomed with open arms. I had two Aunties that lived in Hounslow and Ealing, and we'd go down to visit. On occasion we'd pass through places like Southall and be amazed at the sea of turbans and people of different nationalities.
It's only natural for people in an unfamiliar land to stick with their own. Us Brits have been doing it since way back when, and still do today. Look at the ex-pat community in Spain for example. I've always seen us Brits as being one of the worst for integrating into other cultures, be it whilst living abroad or on holiday. It takes a generation or two for integration to take effect. Usually by the children of migrants. Luckily racism and xenophobia aren't as prevalent as it was back then, although there seems to be a shift backwards at the moment.
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A bit similar here in NI (integration).
People are beginning to change, and integration between both communities is becoming the norm. Especially with the young. Which bodes well for the future.
However 'orange and green' still dominates politics. Regardless of mandate or policy, most voters in Northern Ireland vote based on sectarian views.
posted on 25/2/17
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 39 minutes ago
TBAB
Nope, I don't know you. I can only go off what you've u say on here. This is why I said the views you've expressed............
Why do you think I'm of the opinion you have a problem with refugees, immigrants and migrants coming to these shores for various reasons?
This also makes me laugh;
"When French Protestants, Jews and west Indian migrants came here,,nu here were small and mixing was mostly good"
Really? Do you not remember the racism during the 60's, 70's and 80's inflicted on the above people? You left off Indians and Pakistanis that came over here and experienced a warm racist British welcome.
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I hate racism and racists, in all colours.
I have spoken against early racism in the UK, and on football terraces, and I did not leave out one group through prejudice, but was merely referring to historical migration.
In my work and life I meet people from all nations, faith, races etc, and as stated repeatedly, I have respect for all, and people arriving here, or who have moved here are often better human beings, for want of a more pc term.
Often, I find Asian and east Europeans with a better grasp of English, manners and work/ education than locals.
Does that make me racist, a snob, a Tory?????
In my early posts it was to counter claims of little cultural change due to mass demographic change.
This, i knew, would be taken out of context, but if you look at census stats in say Southall, and then say No Cultural Change here, that is fake news.
Now, I worked with Sikh and Indian people at Heathrow from Southall area and they were sound, and brought in the best food for us all on Friday's, when management got Chinese food in too.
My point is, there has been change, some good and some that concerns others.
I welcome refugees fleeing war, and said so many times.
I don't oppose Immigration or judge people on race, gender, or faith.
However, I do see problems with mass rapid demographic change in the UK and Europe, and as a unionist/ loyalist and patriot, I will speak up for what I believe in.
In doing so, I do not hate others!
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posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 2 minutes ago
Happy feet
You assume I hate people on racial grounds or faith, right?Or if people are from abroad?
I do not, and respect all.
Bad in all groups, white or whatever, and nice in all peoples too.
I have met wonderful people from all creeds and colour, and live and work and play among some not nice white Brits a d Irish!
Do not presume to know me, or infer racism in my job!
Good lad, now jog on.
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Tbf you do come across Alf Garnett but more hardcore.
I have has good conversations with you where I think ok he has accepted what he said to be untrue to then find the same being spouted by you on another thread
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Afternoon bud.
Alf was a spurs/ west ham fan???????😫😫😫😫😫😫😫
We agree to disagree, and hold different views,but eventually you will see the error of your ways.
My opinions are from individual free thought, so may alter, and differ from the right side of history, buy who cares about that bull?
posted on 25/2/17
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 6 minutes ago
Zlatan
Even as a child of the 80's I can remember the racism that was prevalent back then, and was done so far more openly than today. I don't know where TBAB gets this idea of integration and people from those countries being welcomed with open arms. I had two Aunties that lived in Hounslow and Ealing, and we'd go down to visit. On occasion we'd pass through places like Southall and be amazed at the sea of turbans and people of different nationalities.
It's only natural for people in an unfamiliar land to stick with their own. Us Brits have been doing it since way back when, and still do today. Look at the ex-pat community in Spain for example. I've always seen us Brits as being one of the worst for integrating into other cultures, be it whilst living abroad or on holiday. It takes a generation or two for integration to take effect. Usually by the children of migrants. Luckily racism and xenophobia aren't as prevalent as it was back then, although there seems to be a shift backwards at the moment.
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Brits are the worst for integrating are they? What are the nationalities you are comparing?
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How many Brits do you know that can speak another language fluently?
Why do nations previously under empire rule speak English, yet we don't speak their language?
Why are there ex-pat communities wherever us Brits decide to settle?
We're complacent when it comes to other countries. Most of the world speaks English as a second/third language so we don't bother speaking the indigenous language. Plenty of other countries speak more than one language from school age. We're not that bothered. For example how much French can you remember from school?
posted on 25/2/17
comment by Zlatanariyan (U19849)
posted 48 minutes ago
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 8 minutes ago
TBAB
Nope, I don't know you. I can only go off what you've u say on here. This is why I said the views you've expressed............
Why do you think I'm of the opinion you have a problem with refugees, immigrants and migrants coming to these shores for various reasons?
This also makes me laugh;
"When French Protestants, Jews and west Indian migrants came here,,nu here were small and mixing was mostly good"
Really? Do you not remember the racism during the 60's, 70's and 80's inflicted on the above people? You left off Indians and Pakistanis that came over here and experienced a warm racist British welcome.
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My own experience of the late 70's was not being able to go to the local park alone. As soon as you walked in a bunch of teens would walk straight over and start giving you grief. I got jumped by about 20 white lads I was 13. They were all 16+
At 16 I went to a college where for the first time I met many of my kind. Safety in numbers and all that and I started to fight back and then I was the problem
I have no animosity towards anyone, married to a white lass etc. However I still believe that the early immigrants were forced into ghettos and were always subservient preferring to walk away.
Later generations couldn't walk away and became a problem as they wouldn't just shut up and take it
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Pathetic bullies mate, using race too.
Wrong, just wrong, like black and Asian attacks on whites!
posted on 25/2/17
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posted on 25/2/17
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 11 minutes ago
If it walks like a duck quacks like a duck it is probably a duck. Someone who bangs on about immigrants everyday......
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What are you?
Do you read my posts, or just sees a few words and post snide comments?
Open your eyes and mind and see my continuous criticism of all racism, sectarianism, and hate.
Grow up cal.
posted on 25/2/17
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 2 minutes ago
Zlatan
Even as a child of the 80's I can remember the racism that was prevalent back then, and was done so far more openly than today. I don't know where TBAB gets this idea of integration and people from those countries being welcomed with open arms. I had two Aunties that lived in Hounslow and Ealing, and we'd go down to visit. On occasion we'd pass through places like Southall and be amazed at the sea of turbans and people of different nationalities.
It's only natural for people in an unfamiliar land to stick with their own. Us Brits have been doing it since way back when, and still do today. Look at the ex-pat community in Spain for example. I've always seen us Brits as being one of the worst for integrating into other cultures, be it whilst living abroad or on holiday. It takes a generation or two for integration to take effect. Usually by the children of migrants. Luckily racism and xenophobia aren't as prevalent as it was back then, although there seems to be a shift backwards at the moment.
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A bit similar here in NI (integration).
People are beginning to change, and integration between both communities is becoming the norm. Especially with the young. Which bodes well for the future.
However 'orange and green' still dominates politics. Regardless of mandate or policy, most voters in Northern Ireland vote based on sectarian views.
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Sad, but true.
A new norn iron identity is growing, and as a mixed marriage man, I see positives ahead.
I have my best chats with Celtic guys here, at work etc, and they know I am a loyalist Rangers fan, and I know they are republican celts, but we respect each other, and have a laugh.
The new ra need to go away you know.
I also think north and south and Brits and Irish are more friendly than before.
posted on 25/2/17
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posted on 25/2/17
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 6 minutes ago
Zlatan
Even as a child of the 80's I can remember the racism that was prevalent back then, and was done so far more openly than today. I don't know where TBAB gets this idea of integration and people from those countries being welcomed with open arms. I had two Aunties that lived in Hounslow and Ealing, and we'd go down to visit. On occasion we'd pass through places like Southall and be amazed at the sea of turbans and people of different nationalities.
It's only natural for people in an unfamiliar land to stick with their own. Us Brits have been doing it since way back when, and still do today. Look at the ex-pat community in Spain for example. I've always seen us Brits as being one of the worst for integrating into other cultures, be it whilst living abroad or on holiday. It takes a generation or two for integration to take effect. Usually by the children of migrants. Luckily racism and xenophobia aren't as prevalent as it was back then, although there seems to be a shift backwards at the moment.
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Brits are the worst for integrating are they? What are the nationalities you are comparing?
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How many Brits do you know that can speak another language fluently?
Why do nations previously under empire rule speak English, yet we don't speak their language?
Why are there ex-pat communities wherever us Brits decide to settle?
We're complacent when it comes to other countries. Most of the world speaks English as a second/third language so we don't bother speaking the indigenous language. Plenty of other countries speak more than one language from school age. We're not that bothered. For example how much French can you remember from school?
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Wee wee je suis bilingual, so a am😊
posted on 25/2/17
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 6 minutes ago
English is THE International Language. How many English language schools are there around the world? Now compared that to any other language.
So, the countries that were in the Empire learn to speak 1 new language, but the Brits need to learn ALL the languages of the colonies?
Why are their expat communities? Errr, more social?
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You miss the point. Other countries are more open about learning other languages and using that to integrate at a later date. Spanish is spoken morearpund the world. Yet you don't see Spaniards coming over here shouting at us in Spanish. They speak English.
JS are you suggesting us Brits do integrate abroad?
posted on 25/2/17
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 2 minutes ago
Zlatan
Even as a child of the 80's I can remember the racism that was prevalent back then, and was done so far more openly than today. I don't know where TBAB gets this idea of integration and people from those countries being welcomed with open arms. I had two Aunties that lived in Hounslow and Ealing, and we'd go down to visit. On occasion we'd pass through places like Southall and be amazed at the sea of turbans and people of different nationalities.
It's only natural for people in an unfamiliar land to stick with their own. Us Brits have been doing it since way back when, and still do today. Look at the ex-pat community in Spain for example. I've always seen us Brits as being one of the worst for integrating into other cultures, be it whilst living abroad or on holiday. It takes a generation or two for integration to take effect. Usually by the children of migrants. Luckily racism and xenophobia aren't as prevalent as it was back then, although there seems to be a shift backwards at the moment.
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A bit similar here in NI (integration).
People are beginning to change, and integration between both communities is becoming the norm. Especially with the young. Which bodes well for the future.
However 'orange and green' still dominates politics. Regardless of mandate or policy, most voters in Northern Ireland vote based on sectarian views.
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You cheeky git telling me to learn stuff on tinernet, earlier😁
You did not prove me wrong by listing stats or organisations and as I said, I too have seen stats...if you wish I will post details later.
I do not rely on personal experience, but as you see, posters today relate personal experience of racism, or being an Southall, so does that make them I'll informed or wrong.
If someone says they were attacked by awhitegang, does it help to say statistically, you are more likely to receive Injuries on the roads?
Do you see my point?
posted on 25/2/17
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 6 minutes ago
You are a racist. You try to weasel out of it but you keep coming back with your anti immigrant rants. That is why I don't take you serious any more or try to debate with you. Hillary wanting war with Russia the latest example of your idiocy.
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Boring racist gibberish.
Hilary was celebrating when Gadaffi was raped by a knife, and butchered, and she gloated about this death, whilst messing up in Benghazi Libya.
Hilary was anti-Russian, and those pushing for no fly zones in Syria would have confronted Russian jets, thus possibly leading to confrontation.
That is why Russia was given free reign with Assad, as the west feared war with Putin if they tried to stop Russian involvement, and Hilary was all over the place, thus endangering peace.
You are not very bright, are you cal?
posted on 25/2/17
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 6 minutes ago
Zlatan
Even as a child of the 80's I can remember the racism that was prevalent back then, and was done so far more openly than today. I don't know where TBAB gets this idea of integration and people from those countries being welcomed with open arms. I had two Aunties that lived in Hounslow and Ealing, and we'd go down to visit. On occasion we'd pass through places like Southall and be amazed at the sea of turbans and people of different nationalities.
It's only natural for people in an unfamiliar land to stick with their own. Us Brits have been doing it since way back when, and still do today. Look at the ex-pat community in Spain for example. I've always seen us Brits as being one of the worst for integrating into other cultures, be it whilst living abroad or on holiday. It takes a generation or two for integration to take effect. Usually by the children of migrants. Luckily racism and xenophobia aren't as prevalent as it was back then, although there seems to be a shift backwards at the moment.
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Brits are the worst for integrating are they? What are the nationalities you are comparing?
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How many Brits do you know that can speak another language fluently?
Why do nations previously under empire rule speak English, yet we don't speak their language?
Why are there ex-pat communities wherever us Brits decide to settle?
We're complacent when it comes to other countries. Most of the world speaks English as a second/third language so we don't bother speaking the indigenous language. Plenty of other countries speak more than one language from school age. We're not that bothered. For example how much French can you remember from school?
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Am I now being accused of saying Indians were welcome with open arms, when I did not, ffs?
Fake news is rife😠
posted on 25/2/17
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 6 minutes ago
English is THE International Language. How many English language schools are there around the world? Now compared that to any other language.
So, the countries that were in the Empire learn to speak 1 new language, but the Brits need to learn ALL the languages of the colonies?
Why are their expat communities? Errr, more social?
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You miss the point. Other countries are more open about learning other languages and using that to integrate at a later date. Spanish is spoken morearpund the world. Yet you don't see Spaniards coming over here shouting at us in Spanish. They speak English.
JS are you suggesting us Brits do integrate abroad?
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Agreed, on learning the lingo, us Brits and paddies are lazy.
Just back from Portugal, and the locals can chat to the world.
posted on 25/2/17
TBAB
No you said this;
"When French Protestants, Jews and west Indian migrants came here,,nu here were small and mixing was mostly good"
I replied that immigrants coming over here in the 60's, 70's and 80's weren't as welcome as you make out.
posted on 25/2/17
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 2 minutes ago
Zlatan
Even as a child of the 80's I can remember the racism that was prevalent back then, and was done so far more openly than today. I don't know where TBAB gets this idea of integration and people from those countries being welcomed with open arms. I had two Aunties that lived in Hounslow and Ealing, and we'd go down to visit. On occasion we'd pass through places like Southall and be amazed at the sea of turbans and people of different nationalities.
It's only natural for people in an unfamiliar land to stick with their own. Us Brits have been doing it since way back when, and still do today. Look at the ex-pat community in Spain for example. I've always seen us Brits as being one of the worst for integrating into other cultures, be it whilst living abroad or on holiday. It takes a generation or two for integration to take effect. Usually by the children of migrants. Luckily racism and xenophobia aren't as prevalent as it was back then, although there seems to be a shift backwards at the moment.
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A bit similar here in NI (integration).
People are beginning to change, and integration between both communities is becoming the norm. Especially with the young. Which bodes well for the future.
However 'orange and green' still dominates politics. Regardless of mandate or policy, most voters in Northern Ireland vote based on sectarian views.
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You cheeky git telling me to learn stuff on tinernet, earlier😁
You did not prove me wrong by listing stats or organisations and as I said, I too have seen stats...if you wish I will post details later.
I do not rely on personal experience, but as you see, posters today relate personal experience of racism, or being an Southall, so does that make them I'll informed or wrong.
If someone says they were attacked by awhitegang, does it help to say statistically, you are more likely to receive Injuries on the roads?
Do you see my point?
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Alternative facts?
When you want to obtain information about the weather, the MET office is probably the most reliable source. Whilst there are others, the long established and most reliable sources are used the most.
In regard to migration, and migration figures the data is obtained from various government and private sources.
And in turn analysed/scrutinised/compiled by the ONS.
The data I provided to you previously. It's not open to discussion or argument. And as such your assertion that there is "mass uncontrolled immigration" is false.
posted on 25/2/17
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 18 hours, 45 minutes ago
8bit
Talking about culture, I've off to the pub in a minute.
I hear what youre saying but i think youre over egging the pudding, what specific cultural identities are we losing by accepting immigration? Seriously!
We're a multi cultural society and always have been, immigration has been good for the UK, since the war we've had our issues but we've dealt with them and we're a better place for it, I've travelled and lived in a few countries, the UK, bar the weather, is a fantastic place to live. Any problems we have politically are self manufactured by people hankering for the good old days, imo.
Sure we need to control who is coming in, but historically we have been a haven for exiles and dissidents, from Marx and Engels to Litvenenko.
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I'm talking about culture, we've been too soft for too long and we're seeing the results now. Translators for 50+ languages in hospitals, councils, courts etc. instead of getting people to speak English, British humour poking fun at ourselves and each other deemed offensive to some groups, free speech replaced by political correctness and censorship. Segregated areas, no go zones, 100+ sharia law courts in the UK. immigration is good, we have mix of cultures who for the most part get on, food from all around the world etc. but we have to call out where it's not working.
There's synagogues, temples, mosques, all other places of worship all around the country, some of the strictest laws in the world to protect equality and freedom for everyone. All these liberal activists and self loathing protesters talking about fascism and how nasty we are, need to travel and realise we're one of the most tolerant and open places in the world.
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