I loved seeing John Barnes succeed in the Liverpool side of the 80's in the face of racist abuse from the terraces.

I was wrong to do so using Just Shoot's logic though,

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you are creating a divide on the way you see people

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I dispute that totally.

If people do not make the most of their opportunities who is to blame? Certainly not the migrants or their progeny.

Yes, you should applaud them. Just not at the expense of others.

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How would applauding them be at the expense of others?

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comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
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comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
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I loved seeing John Barnes succeed in the Liverpool side of the 80's in the face of racist abuse from the terraces.

I was wrong to do so using Just Shoot's logic though,
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OK, you win, end of conversation. <sigh> I am happy to debate things with anyone, but if you want to twist words - which you know aren't the intended way - there is no point.
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It's your own logic being used.

RITH said he loved seeing the progeny of migrants do better than the indigenous population because they have had to work all the more harder for it.

You've interpreted that as him 'creating division'. Where did he say he didn't want the indigenous population tp excel?

Because it's relative.. they are doing better, despite not having a level playing field. That is worth applauding.

Not sure why that is an issue for you.. truth hurt?

Oh and when RITH said indigenous population he meant those who sit on their ar5es all their lives blaming their own shortcomings on immigrants.

You've interpreted that as him 'creating division'. Where did he say he didn't want the indigenous population tp excel

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PRE-fkn-CISELY!

Thank you coutinhos happy feet.

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Just Shoot

"Red did not say 'because they have had to work all the more harder for it"

They do though don't they? He's also said as much in follow up comments.

Red did not say 'because they have had to work all the more harder for it.'

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Does that actually need spelling out?
Look at my whole comment again where I reference racism, violent racism.

It's absolutely clear that migrants have had to tolerate the intolerable and work hard through it.

you mean to tell me you haven't grasped that at all?!!

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Oh and when RITH said indigenous population he meant those who sit on their ar5es all their lives blaming their own shortcomings on immigrants.
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So you know what he meant? That is what YOU inferred is it? It is not what I inferred.
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It's obvious what was meant, but if you need clarification you can ask Red himself. Considering he was talking about the racist abuse his Dad experienced at the hand of those who blame immigration it's not a huge leap.

No offence but you've inferred his comment incorrectly.

comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
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You've interpreted that as him 'creating division'. Where did he say he didn't want the indigenous population tp excel

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Thank you coutinhos happy feet.
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Your doing it again!!! Not all immigrant tolerate the intolerable! Not all immigrants have to work harder than the indigenous people! Are you saying Sadiq Khan has worked harder than every indigenous person it the UK that has a position lower than him?

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Do see my comment in full again..

Actually, Sadiq Khan's dad migrated to Britain and was a bus driver.

You can draw your own conclusions about how hard he had to work.

Are you saying Sadiq Khan was from a privileged background?

This should be good..

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Good

Great to see him do well

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And 'we' criticise Trump:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-39099574

Typical always be easy option.

Was reading a bit more about the UK pharma industry (apologies for length of post). They were invited by the commons select committee to give feedback on (NI) border requirements post Brexit.

The government have already began arrangements to assist the EMA (European Medicines Agency) departing the UK. As it is not possible for the EMA to govern the industry from outside of the EU. UK job losses will be nominal, (circa 900 staff).

The industry member(s) stated, nearly all of their clients are based in Europe. Directly after the referendum, their European competitors began exploiting the result to acquire clients, and destabilise existing customers. Their US operations cater for the rest of the world.

The main issue is, (as you can imagine) the industry is extremely regulated.

They require (like many others) total and unmitigated freedom of movement. Pharmaceutical products are regulatory required to be produced in the Single Market. If products are not, they can't be distributed in Europe.

There is no getting around this.

Furthermore the transportation of produce is also heavily regulated. Most medical commodities have to be kept refrigerated and/or surgically sealed etc. Basically under laboratory conditions. If a seal is broken, or tampered with, the product has to be disposed of. Even opening a door, (cargo pod/lorry etc) could render a product unusable.

Leaving the Customs Union/SM will necessitate customs checks. This will render UK pharmaceutical exports useless.

The industry members also stated that pharmaceutical companies have added more economic value than any other sector in the UK. Employing around 72,000 people. I also understand the industry is heavily supported by the EU, pumping in millions towards science and research – to develop new drugs etc. The UK receives around £5.6 billion per year from the EU. When the UK leaves, EU funding will cease.

Even if Whitehall negotiate the best free trade agreement in history, it will impossible to replicate current pharma industry requirements. And unless the UK remain a full member of the single market, (which the government have stated we will not) the vast majority of the pharmaceutical industry will be lost. That's an assessment direct from the pharma industry.

Here in NI, our biggest pharma company has already started the process of moving:

http://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/business/news/brexit-northern-ireland-firm-almac-opens-base-republic-to-ensure-access-to-single-market-35399875.html

And based on the information given to the commons select committee, their mainland counterparts are (regretfully) having to do the same to safeguard interests.

Personally I believe it is tantamount to governmental negligence that this type of information is only coming to light now.

Before even giving the UK public a referendum on EU membership (IMO) the government had a constitutional responsibility to investigate and then provide the public with ALL of the consequences that the result might entail.