comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 11 minutes ago
Jose

"It's a few thousand years, quite frankly a ridiculous amount of time to even begin to consider it a serious claim"

Exactly, hence my daft tongue in cheek moving into my first home by force comment.

When it was decided by The UN that was the land displaced Jews would occupy it ignored the fact that the land was inhabited legally by the Muslims already living there.

Also don't know how HRH came to the conclusion Israeli's were retaliating, it's mad.
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There was a partition plan but one side didn't accept it and have been trying to get their way by military means ever since.
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Cal thinks that basically any country which doesn't give its land away to a foreign people for nothing in return basically have themselves to blame for the land they have lost since.

Not sure this logic would be applied to German requests for land in the late 30's but this is different because it's only Muslim people whose land is being taken?
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No I am merely pointing out how you target Israel exclusively even though they have just claim to the area unlike the other examples I gave.
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They don't have a just claim, they had a place there thousands of years ago, the Roman Empire has a more recent claim on Britian.

The fact is you choose to believe Muslims or maybe Palestinians are somehow less deserving of their own land than these other examples people have given you.

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"Jews have lived there throughout history"

That doesn't mean they have a right to occupy that land and force the people living there at the time out.

Counting that's different French and Dutch people are largely white and Christian so taking their land would be wrong.

Look for a close to 3000 year old claim on some land owned by some Muslims instead and give them that land, if they fight back then they deserve all the punishment they get...

I really don't get it either, I think you have to start with the position that Israel is in the right and people who oppose them are in the wrong.

comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 11 minutes ago
Jose

"It's a few thousand years, quite frankly a ridiculous amount of time to even begin to consider it a serious claim"

Exactly, hence my daft tongue in cheek moving into my first home by force comment.

When it was decided by The UN that was the land displaced Jews would occupy it ignored the fact that the land was inhabited legally by the Muslims already living there.

Also don't know how HRH came to the conclusion Israeli's were retaliating, it's mad.
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There was a partition plan but one side didn't accept it and have been trying to get their way by military means ever since.
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Cal thinks that basically any country which doesn't give its land away to a foreign people for nothing in return basically have themselves to blame for the land they have lost since.

Not sure this logic would be applied to German requests for land in the late 30's but this is different because it's only Muslim people whose land is being taken?
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No I am merely pointing out how you target Israel exclusively even though they have just claim to the area unlike the other examples I gave.
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They don't have a just claim, they had a place there thousands of years ago, the Roman Empire has a more recent claim on Britian.

The fact is you choose to believe Muslims or maybe Palestinians are somehow less deserving of their own land than these other examples people have given you.
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Jews have lived there throughout history.
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Europeans have lived throughout Europe, the Germans have much better claim on France and Holland, but you won't apply the same logic you do to Israel to happy feets question because you realise it's wrong.

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comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 6 minutes ago
The area we are talking about was under British Mandate and before that Ottoman and before that Maluk etc etc.
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I'm not sure who was in charge of the natives for the last few thousand years until they were violently removed by a foreign people has much relevance...

comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 2 minutes ago
Counting that's different French and Dutch people are largely white and Christian so taking their land would be wrong.

Look for a close to 3000 year old claim on some land owned by some Muslims instead and give them that land, if they fight back then they deserve all the punishment they get...

I really don't get it either, I think you have to start with the position that Israel is in the right and people who oppose them are in the wrong.
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The area has had many peoples living there.
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So has London...

Think you might get some fighting if you had a foreign people try to kick the locals out and take it for themselves regardless.

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comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 2 minutes ago
Counting that's different French and Dutch people are largely white and Christian so taking their land would be wrong.

Look for a close to 3000 year old claim on some land owned by some Muslims instead and give them that land, if they fight back then they deserve all the punishment they get...

I really don't get it either, I think you have to start with the position that Israel is in the right and people who oppose them are in the wrong.
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The area has had many peoples living there.
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So has London...

Think you might get some fighting if you had a foreign people try to kick the locals out and take it for themselves regardless.
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Using the same logic the Italians can rock up and lay claim to London. After all it was the Romans who originally established London as we know it.

Still no answer to happyfeets question I see...

It's okay to take Muslim land and wrong for them to fight back but as soon as it's white people's land...

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comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 2 minutes ago
Counting that's different French and Dutch people are largely white and Christian so taking their land would be wrong.

Look for a close to 3000 year old claim on some land owned by some Muslims instead and give them that land, if they fight back then they deserve all the punishment they get...

I really don't get it either, I think you have to start with the position that Israel is in the right and people who oppose them are in the wrong.
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The area has had many peoples living there.
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So has London...

Think you might get some fighting if you had a foreign people try to kick the locals out and take it for themselves regardless.
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Using the same logic the Italians can rock up and lay claim to London. After all it was the Romans who originally established London as we know it.
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More recently ruled by Romans as well, it's not even a similar claim, it's actually a better claim, not that any reasonable people would actually accept it.

Many people have lived in my house. We are the current occupants. I guess if the owners from 1965 turned up to reclaim it I shouldn't oppose. I shouldn't also fight back when they offer us the back bedroom as consolation.

comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 2 minutes ago
Counting that's different French and Dutch people are largely white and Christian so taking their land would be wrong.

Look for a close to 3000 year old claim on some land owned by some Muslims instead and give them that land, if they fight back then they deserve all the punishment they get...

I really don't get it either, I think you have to start with the position that Israel is in the right and people who oppose them are in the wrong.
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The area has had many peoples living there.
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So has London...

Think you might get some fighting if you had a foreign people try to kick the locals out and take it for themselves regardless.
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Using the same logic the Italians can rock up and lay claim to London. After all it was the Romans who originally established London as we know it.
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No Romans don't come from London. Really all these hypotheticals just muddy the issue. Easier if you just stick to facts.
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Nobody comes from London, humanity originated elsewhere, Jewish people have resided in Israel previously as have Romans in London previously.

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comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 35 seconds ago
Many people have lived in my house. We are the current occupants. I guess if the owners from 1965 turned up to reclaim it I shouldn't oppose. I shouldn't also fight back when they offer us the back bedroom as consolation.
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I've mentioned this one to him a few times, basically if you offered him part of his own house and refused then he only has himself to blame as you slowly steal more and more of the house...

He should have given you a floor straight away.

comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 2 minutes ago
Counting that's different French and Dutch people are largely white and Christian so taking their land would be wrong.

Look for a close to 3000 year old claim on some land owned by some Muslims instead and give them that land, if they fight back then they deserve all the punishment they get...

I really don't get it either, I think you have to start with the position that Israel is in the right and people who oppose them are in the wrong.
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The area has had many peoples living there.
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So has London...

Think you might get some fighting if you had a foreign people try to kick the locals out and take it for themselves regardless.
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Using the same logic the Italians can rock up and lay claim to London. After all it was the Romans who originally established London as we know it.
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No Romans don't come from London. Really all these hypotheticals just muddy the issue. Easier if you just stick to facts.
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No Romans don't come from London. They established London as the capital city and built the first bridges over the Thames. Many people have lived there since. Do Italians have any right to claim land in London and force those currently living there out?

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Cal

"So where do you think Jewish people should live?"

Giving them part of Germany would've been the best solution. It was the German's that inflicted so much hardship on them and led to displacement. It would've been the reparations for that hardship and wouldn't have forced Muslims out of land that was rightfully theirs.

The West, or Allies, carved Germany up into East and West post war as it was. The Jewish families that thankfully escaped execution already lived in Europe, and Germany in particular.

comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 2 minutes ago
Counting that's different French and Dutch people are largely white and Christian so taking their land would be wrong.

Look for a close to 3000 year old claim on some land owned by some Muslims instead and give them that land, if they fight back then they deserve all the punishment they get...

I really don't get it either, I think you have to start with the position that Israel is in the right and people who oppose them are in the wrong.
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The area has had many peoples living there.
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So has London...

Think you might get some fighting if you had a foreign people try to kick the locals out and take it for themselves regardless.
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Using the same logic the Italians can rock up and lay claim to London. After all it was the Romans who originally established London as we know it.
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No Romans don't come from London. Really all these hypotheticals just muddy the issue. Easier if you just stick to facts.
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Nobody comes from London, humanity originated elsewhere, Jewish people have resided in Israel previously as have Romans in London previously.
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So where do you think Jewish people should live?
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You don't just give people a country just because.

You don't then blame the people whose land you are giving away for fighting back.

If your countries land was just given away to a foreign people for nothing you'd done you'd definately have a problem with it.

America has caused massive destruction because of 3,000+ deaths and a few buildings.

Imagine what they would want to do if they had suffered like the Palestinians have?

Why weren't gypsies given California or any of the other groups that were targeted by Adolf, having bad stuff happen to you doesn't give you the right to do it to others, there was nothing that said they had to be given Palestinian land and that the natives had to simply step aside and let their land get stolen.

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Using the same logic why not give all the Syrian refugees Israel?

After all where are they supposed to live?

But wait they are Muslims so that is different...

comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 2 minutes ago
The West, or Allies, carved Germany up into East and West post war

Sorry but you are re writing history.


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Germany wasn't split into East (Soviets) and West (US) post war?

Thoughts on Jews being given German land post war?