comment by KoemanYouBlues (U21156)
posted 4 seconds ago
that's why stifles debate, people go underground and become secret voters then brexit and trump happens after pollsters get is spectacularly wrong because they aren't aware of the views of the people they silenced through political correctness.**
I'm explaining it for you as someone that is not PC, if you don't want to listen you don't learn.
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But I'm not addressing it in terms of voting or politics. More a basic comment on the human condition. As in life is easier for people when they are just nice to one another.
It's more that I can't understand how someone who is told that their belief or behaviour is upsetting or problematic for someone else wouldn't at least consider whether its really a characteristic they want to hold.
For example, when I was a kid I used to call things "gay." Then when I had a conversation with a gay lad at school, and he said he found it problematic, I stopped. I understood where he was coming from, even though it didn't affect me. It cost me nothing to modify my behaviour slightly for someone else to have a more pleasant time. I just don't understand why some people feel the need to push against it so much?
It's genuinely not a criticism so much, I'm just trying to understand it.
comment by KoemanYouBlues (U21156)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by sandy, senior citizen, but young at heart (U20567)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by KoemanYouBlues (U21156)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Igor Biscan's Missing Goal Celebration (U15416)
posted 10 seconds ago
I think the most bothersome part of this is that people see things as so black and white.
I'm only in my mid twenties, but my political allegiences have changed a few times in the time that I've been able to vote, purely because I tend to vote for the party that best represents me. This tends to be the left, more liberal parties, because that's who I am. But I don't vote for one side or other because the other are "soft leftie hippies" or "facist right wing racists."
Both sides are as guilty as the other for slinging mud. I just don't see why people think you have to be one or the other. Beliefs and views aren't, or at least shouldn't be absolute and fixed.
To decry everyone who voted Brexit or Trump as racist is ludicrous. Just as ludicrous as anyone who voted Remain or Hilary as traitors to their country.
On a side note, why is political correctness seen as such a bad thing? It's not asking you to do anything particularly difficult, apart from being a decent human being to other human being who happen to be slightly different than you.
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It breeds people like Sizzle that's why stifles debate, people go underground and become secret voters then brexit and trump happens after pollsters get is spectacularly wrong because they aren't aware of the views of the people they silenced through political correctness.
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That is very unfair, Sizzle is merely pointing out that their are definitely quite a lot of racists in both the UK and the USA, and both Brexit and the Presidency were in effect decided by small enough margins to think that the racists swung both, to deny racists exist is as bad as trying to make out that everybody is racist.
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that's not what he is saying at all, if you're going to be his spokesperson get your facts right.
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I am not Sizzles`s spokesperson, but I certainly will not be silenced like a lot were in the 1930s. Opposition is needed to the growing racism problem, and it obviously aint going to come from people like you.
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 3 minutes ago
What a load of $hit , heard this argument a million time before.
Tell you what I'll take in an immigrant when you take in a Homeless Vet you all pretend to care so much about.
Son of an immigrant voting AGAINST immigration. How facked up is that. "
Yeh totally and i couldn't give a sh** if you judge me or not. I voted for brexit because i feel the country will eventually be better off out of the EU and the puppets that have controlled us for so long. Who gives a sh** if my dad come from cyprus? so i should agree with your simplistic left wing luvvie views? yeh right
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Don so basically what you are saying is Sizzle cannot blame everybody who voted leave as racist, but you seem to be labelling all those that voted to stay as left wing luvvies. You cannot have it both ways mate.
comment by sandy, senior citizen, but young at heart (U20567)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 3 minutes ago
What a load of $hit , heard this argument a million time before.
Tell you what I'll take in an immigrant when you take in a Homeless Vet you all pretend to care so much about.
Son of an immigrant voting AGAINST immigration. How facked up is that. "
Yeh totally and i couldn't give a sh** if you judge me or not. I voted for brexit because i feel the country will eventually be better off out of the EU and the puppets that have controlled us for so long. Who gives a sh** if my dad come from cyprus? so i should agree with your simplistic left wing luvvie views? yeh right
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Don so basically what you are saying is Sizzle cannot blame everybody who voted leave as racist, but you seem to be labelling all those that voted to stay as left wing luvvies. You cannot have it both ways mate.
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Can't believe I'm actually agreeing with Sandy What has today done to the world
sandy, i'm saying sizzle is a left wing luvvie. I'm not judging everyone like he is. He's labelling every brexit and trump voter a racist which is so simple minded. I'm not saying everyone that voted EU in is a left wing luvvie but more sizzle because i see his views on here all the time
One half of my family emigrated here from Denmark two generations ago but I voted Brexit, I must be daft too
I think racism is too strong a word to be honest. A misdirected sense of "faux-nationalism" is a better description.
Political Correctness has its heart in the right place, but what is offensive is subjective. Who decides where a line is drawn?
There are obviously some things we can all agree are disgusting to say, but at the other end virtually every joke will offend someone. Frankie Boyle says some disgusting things for example, but he is a darling of the left. Ricky Gervais too. Its ironic though yeah? That is usually the get out here, even though the laughter is clearly at the target of the joke, not laughing at the person who laughs at the joke.
What is offensive should not be decided by a small band of Twitter babies.
One half of my family emigrated here from Denmark two generations ago but I voted Brexit, I must be daft too "
tell me about it Edbo my dad come over from Cyprus in the 60s but according to sizzle, i am a hypocrite for voting for brexit what a simplistic view
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 1 minute ago
Political Correctness has its heart in the right place, but what is offensive is subjective. Who decides where a line is drawn?
There are obviously some things we can all agree are disgusting to say, but at the other end virtually every joke will offend someone. Frankie Boyle says some disgusting things for example, but he is a darling of the left. Ricky Gervais too. Its ironic though yeah? That is usually the get out here, even though the laughter is clearly at the target of the joke, not laughing at the person who laughs at the joke.
What is offensive should not be decided by a small band of Twitter babies.
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It's normally middle class white people deciding what everybody else finds offensive...
Too many times people go with the politically correct view over common sense, that is changing now.
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 1 minute ago
Too many times people go with the politically correct view over common sense, that is changing now.
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Can you give an example, purely out of interest?
Toilets at football grounds?
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 7 minutes ago
Political Correctness has its heart in the right place, but what is offensive is subjective. Who decides where a line is drawn?
There are obviously some things we can all agree are disgusting to say, but at the other end virtually every joke will offend someone. Frankie Boyle says some disgusting things for example, but he is a darling of the left. Ricky Gervais too. Its ironic though yeah? That is usually the get out here, even though the laughter is clearly at the target of the joke, not laughing at the person who laughs at the joke.
What is offensive should not be decided by a small band of Twitter babies.
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I get what you're saying. There is a certain amount of double standards.
I don't think that you can definitively state what the intention of a joke is, in just the same way as you can't definitively say what is and isn't offensiveness. It's how it's perceived.
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 1 minute ago
Toilets at football grounds?
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Gonna need you to enlighten me here. The toilets at Torquay United are basically a trench behind the main stand, or in the pub across the road
Spick and Dago are offensive terms to me for example
Kra ut and Frog I would say are not, as they are national foods - I do not get offended by the French calling us Rosbifs.
I do not care about Po m, Sassenach or Limey either for that matter, Paddy does not offend my Nan - Irish people actively use it - and Jock did not offend my Grandad.
Some would say Frog and Kra ut are definitely offensive though. Probably not French or German people though who I imagine could not give a flying fack.
Is it PC to use any of the above terms (not the first two)?
Are any ever used in a nasty way?
comment by Igor Biscan's Missing Goal Celebration (U15416)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 1 minute ago
Toilets at football grounds?
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Gonna need you to enlighten me here. The toilets at Torquay United are basically a trench behind the main stand, or in the pub across the road
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Ar Spurs where I sit the gents and ladies have exactly the same facilities.
The ladies is like a bladdy ghosttown and the blokes are lucky to get a pis in before the 2nd half starts
Only a jokey example, though prob grounded in a little bit of PC > Common sense
HRH
I'd say kr aut isn't a politically correct term to use as although it's a food associated with Germany. It's also a term used during the war when Germany itself was associated with nazism. I can remember it still being used, in a derogatory manner in the 80's.
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 4 minutes ago
Spick and Dago are offensive terms to me for example
Kra ut and Frog I would say are not, as they are national foods - I do not get offended by the French calling us Rosbifs.
I do not care about Po m, Sassenach or Limey either for that matter, Paddy does not offend my Nan - Irish people actively use it - and Jock did not offend my Grandad.
Some would say Frog and Kra ut are definitely offensive though. Probably not French or German people though who I imagine could not give a flying fack.
Is it PC to use any of the above terms (not the first two)?
Are any ever used in a nasty way?
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I wouldn't say the words are outright offensive. However, they can be used offensively for sure.
Let's be honest, most people can read between the lines, and tell when it is just banter, or when there's a more sinister undertone.
But the point I was really driving at; if a French person tells you they don't like you calling them a Frog, what do you really lose, but not saying that, even if just in their company?
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Igor Biscan's Missing Goal Celebration (U15416)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 1 minute ago
Toilets at football grounds?
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Gonna need you to enlighten me here. The toilets at Torquay United are basically a trench behind the main stand, or in the pub across the road
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Ar Spurs where I sit the gents and ladies have exactly the same facilities.
The ladies is like a bladdy ghosttown and the blokes are lucky to get a pis in before the 2nd half starts
Only a jokey example, though prob grounded in a little bit of PC > Common sense
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I'd say that's more an issue of woeful infrastructure than political correctness, mate.
This is exactly it CHF.....would a German find it offensive?
If Germans generally did not care, would it still be non-PC if the only people offended by it were some English people?
Who decides?
comment by Igor Biscan's Missing Goal Celebration (U15416)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Igor Biscan's Missing Goal Celebration (U15416)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 1 minute ago
Toilets at football grounds?
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Gonna need you to enlighten me here. The toilets at Torquay United are basically a trench behind the main stand, or in the pub across the road
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Ar Spurs where I sit the gents and ladies have exactly the same facilities.
The ladies is like a bladdy ghosttown and the blokes are lucky to get a pis in before the 2nd half starts
Only a jokey example, though prob grounded in a little bit of PC > Common sense
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I'd say that's more an issue of woeful infrastructure than political correctness, mate.
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Ah yes the match. The only place on the planet where us fellas have to queue for a pi55. Usually it's the other way round and the ladies has a huge queue outside.
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comment by KoemanYouBlues (U21156)
posted 4 seconds ago
that's why stifles debate, people go underground and become secret voters then brexit and trump happens after pollsters get is spectacularly wrong because they aren't aware of the views of the people they silenced through political correctness.**
I'm explaining it for you as someone that is not PC, if you don't want to listen you don't learn.
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But I'm not addressing it in terms of voting or politics. More a basic comment on the human condition. As in life is easier for people when they are just nice to one another.
It's more that I can't understand how someone who is told that their belief or behaviour is upsetting or problematic for someone else wouldn't at least consider whether its really a characteristic they want to hold.
For example, when I was a kid I used to call things "gay." Then when I had a conversation with a gay lad at school, and he said he found it problematic, I stopped. I understood where he was coming from, even though it didn't affect me. It cost me nothing to modify my behaviour slightly for someone else to have a more pleasant time. I just don't understand why some people feel the need to push against it so much?
It's genuinely not a criticism so much, I'm just trying to understand it.
posted on 9/11/16
comment by KoemanYouBlues (U21156)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by sandy, senior citizen, but young at heart (U20567)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by KoemanYouBlues (U21156)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Igor Biscan's Missing Goal Celebration (U15416)
posted 10 seconds ago
I think the most bothersome part of this is that people see things as so black and white.
I'm only in my mid twenties, but my political allegiences have changed a few times in the time that I've been able to vote, purely because I tend to vote for the party that best represents me. This tends to be the left, more liberal parties, because that's who I am. But I don't vote for one side or other because the other are "soft leftie hippies" or "facist right wing racists."
Both sides are as guilty as the other for slinging mud. I just don't see why people think you have to be one or the other. Beliefs and views aren't, or at least shouldn't be absolute and fixed.
To decry everyone who voted Brexit or Trump as racist is ludicrous. Just as ludicrous as anyone who voted Remain or Hilary as traitors to their country.
On a side note, why is political correctness seen as such a bad thing? It's not asking you to do anything particularly difficult, apart from being a decent human being to other human being who happen to be slightly different than you.
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It breeds people like Sizzle that's why stifles debate, people go underground and become secret voters then brexit and trump happens after pollsters get is spectacularly wrong because they aren't aware of the views of the people they silenced through political correctness.
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That is very unfair, Sizzle is merely pointing out that their are definitely quite a lot of racists in both the UK and the USA, and both Brexit and the Presidency were in effect decided by small enough margins to think that the racists swung both, to deny racists exist is as bad as trying to make out that everybody is racist.
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that's not what he is saying at all, if you're going to be his spokesperson get your facts right.
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I am not Sizzles`s spokesperson, but I certainly will not be silenced like a lot were in the 1930s. Opposition is needed to the growing racism problem, and it obviously aint going to come from people like you.
posted on 9/11/16
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 3 minutes ago
What a load of $hit , heard this argument a million time before.
Tell you what I'll take in an immigrant when you take in a Homeless Vet you all pretend to care so much about.
Son of an immigrant voting AGAINST immigration. How facked up is that. "
Yeh totally and i couldn't give a sh** if you judge me or not. I voted for brexit because i feel the country will eventually be better off out of the EU and the puppets that have controlled us for so long. Who gives a sh** if my dad come from cyprus? so i should agree with your simplistic left wing luvvie views? yeh right
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Don so basically what you are saying is Sizzle cannot blame everybody who voted leave as racist, but you seem to be labelling all those that voted to stay as left wing luvvies. You cannot have it both ways mate.
posted on 9/11/16
comment by sandy, senior citizen, but young at heart (U20567)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 3 minutes ago
What a load of $hit , heard this argument a million time before.
Tell you what I'll take in an immigrant when you take in a Homeless Vet you all pretend to care so much about.
Son of an immigrant voting AGAINST immigration. How facked up is that. "
Yeh totally and i couldn't give a sh** if you judge me or not. I voted for brexit because i feel the country will eventually be better off out of the EU and the puppets that have controlled us for so long. Who gives a sh** if my dad come from cyprus? so i should agree with your simplistic left wing luvvie views? yeh right
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Don so basically what you are saying is Sizzle cannot blame everybody who voted leave as racist, but you seem to be labelling all those that voted to stay as left wing luvvies. You cannot have it both ways mate.
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Can't believe I'm actually agreeing with Sandy What has today done to the world
posted on 9/11/16
sandy, i'm saying sizzle is a left wing luvvie. I'm not judging everyone like he is. He's labelling every brexit and trump voter a racist which is so simple minded. I'm not saying everyone that voted EU in is a left wing luvvie but more sizzle because i see his views on here all the time
posted on 9/11/16
One half of my family emigrated here from Denmark two generations ago but I voted Brexit, I must be daft too
posted on 9/11/16
I think racism is too strong a word to be honest. A misdirected sense of "faux-nationalism" is a better description.
posted on 9/11/16
Political Correctness has its heart in the right place, but what is offensive is subjective. Who decides where a line is drawn?
There are obviously some things we can all agree are disgusting to say, but at the other end virtually every joke will offend someone. Frankie Boyle says some disgusting things for example, but he is a darling of the left. Ricky Gervais too. Its ironic though yeah? That is usually the get out here, even though the laughter is clearly at the target of the joke, not laughing at the person who laughs at the joke.
What is offensive should not be decided by a small band of Twitter babies.
posted on 9/11/16
One half of my family emigrated here from Denmark two generations ago but I voted Brexit, I must be daft too "
tell me about it Edbo my dad come over from Cyprus in the 60s but according to sizzle, i am a hypocrite for voting for brexit what a simplistic view
posted on 9/11/16
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 1 minute ago
Political Correctness has its heart in the right place, but what is offensive is subjective. Who decides where a line is drawn?
There are obviously some things we can all agree are disgusting to say, but at the other end virtually every joke will offend someone. Frankie Boyle says some disgusting things for example, but he is a darling of the left. Ricky Gervais too. Its ironic though yeah? That is usually the get out here, even though the laughter is clearly at the target of the joke, not laughing at the person who laughs at the joke.
What is offensive should not be decided by a small band of Twitter babies.
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It's normally middle class white people deciding what everybody else finds offensive...
posted on 9/11/16
Too many times people go with the politically correct view over common sense, that is changing now.
posted on 9/11/16
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 1 minute ago
Too many times people go with the politically correct view over common sense, that is changing now.
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Can you give an example, purely out of interest?
posted on 9/11/16
Toilets at football grounds?
posted on 9/11/16
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 7 minutes ago
Political Correctness has its heart in the right place, but what is offensive is subjective. Who decides where a line is drawn?
There are obviously some things we can all agree are disgusting to say, but at the other end virtually every joke will offend someone. Frankie Boyle says some disgusting things for example, but he is a darling of the left. Ricky Gervais too. Its ironic though yeah? That is usually the get out here, even though the laughter is clearly at the target of the joke, not laughing at the person who laughs at the joke.
What is offensive should not be decided by a small band of Twitter babies.
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I get what you're saying. There is a certain amount of double standards.
I don't think that you can definitively state what the intention of a joke is, in just the same way as you can't definitively say what is and isn't offensiveness. It's how it's perceived.
posted on 9/11/16
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 1 minute ago
Toilets at football grounds?
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Gonna need you to enlighten me here. The toilets at Torquay United are basically a trench behind the main stand, or in the pub across the road
posted on 9/11/16
Spick and Dago are offensive terms to me for example
Kra ut and Frog I would say are not, as they are national foods - I do not get offended by the French calling us Rosbifs.
I do not care about Po m, Sassenach or Limey either for that matter, Paddy does not offend my Nan - Irish people actively use it - and Jock did not offend my Grandad.
Some would say Frog and Kra ut are definitely offensive though. Probably not French or German people though who I imagine could not give a flying fack.
Is it PC to use any of the above terms (not the first two)?
Are any ever used in a nasty way?
posted on 9/11/16
comment by Igor Biscan's Missing Goal Celebration (U15416)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 1 minute ago
Toilets at football grounds?
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Gonna need you to enlighten me here. The toilets at Torquay United are basically a trench behind the main stand, or in the pub across the road
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Ar Spurs where I sit the gents and ladies have exactly the same facilities.
The ladies is like a bladdy ghosttown and the blokes are lucky to get a pis in before the 2nd half starts
Only a jokey example, though prob grounded in a little bit of PC > Common sense
posted on 9/11/16
HRH
I'd say kr aut isn't a politically correct term to use as although it's a food associated with Germany. It's also a term used during the war when Germany itself was associated with nazism. I can remember it still being used, in a derogatory manner in the 80's.
posted on 9/11/16
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 4 minutes ago
Spick and Dago are offensive terms to me for example
Kra ut and Frog I would say are not, as they are national foods - I do not get offended by the French calling us Rosbifs.
I do not care about Po m, Sassenach or Limey either for that matter, Paddy does not offend my Nan - Irish people actively use it - and Jock did not offend my Grandad.
Some would say Frog and Kra ut are definitely offensive though. Probably not French or German people though who I imagine could not give a flying fack.
Is it PC to use any of the above terms (not the first two)?
Are any ever used in a nasty way?
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I wouldn't say the words are outright offensive. However, they can be used offensively for sure.
Let's be honest, most people can read between the lines, and tell when it is just banter, or when there's a more sinister undertone.
But the point I was really driving at; if a French person tells you they don't like you calling them a Frog, what do you really lose, but not saying that, even if just in their company?
posted on 9/11/16
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Igor Biscan's Missing Goal Celebration (U15416)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 1 minute ago
Toilets at football grounds?
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Gonna need you to enlighten me here. The toilets at Torquay United are basically a trench behind the main stand, or in the pub across the road
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ar Spurs where I sit the gents and ladies have exactly the same facilities.
The ladies is like a bladdy ghosttown and the blokes are lucky to get a pis in before the 2nd half starts
Only a jokey example, though prob grounded in a little bit of PC > Common sense
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I'd say that's more an issue of woeful infrastructure than political correctness, mate.
posted on 9/11/16
This is exactly it CHF.....would a German find it offensive?
If Germans generally did not care, would it still be non-PC if the only people offended by it were some English people?
Who decides?
posted on 9/11/16
comment by Igor Biscan's Missing Goal Celebration (U15416)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Igor Biscan's Missing Goal Celebration (U15416)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 1 minute ago
Toilets at football grounds?
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Gonna need you to enlighten me here. The toilets at Torquay United are basically a trench behind the main stand, or in the pub across the road
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ar Spurs where I sit the gents and ladies have exactly the same facilities.
The ladies is like a bladdy ghosttown and the blokes are lucky to get a pis in before the 2nd half starts
Only a jokey example, though prob grounded in a little bit of PC > Common sense
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I'd say that's more an issue of woeful infrastructure than political correctness, mate.
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Ah yes the match. The only place on the planet where us fellas have to queue for a pi55. Usually it's the other way round and the ladies has a huge queue outside.
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