And regardless of what happens tomorrow, India have once again shut the critics who say winning the toss wins you match in India
England struggle on slower wickets to bowl teams out..Nothing new there. Unless there is some seam movement. England find it difficult to get teams out in a hurry.
as for Ashwin being a head of his peers. I will repeat once he does it away from subcontinental pitches.. I will have more respect for him
comment by Liverpoolwhoelse17 (U16825)
posted 24 minutes ago
as for Ashwin being a head of his peers. I will repeat once he does it away from subcontinental pitches.. I will have more respect for him
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Slightly agree but that spinner gets loads of 5fors away from the subcontinent?
Problem with India away from home is that the seemers are generally useless. You can easily pick 3-5 runs off them which builds no pressure so when Ashwin comes on its usually easy pickings.
Paks do well away from home (UAE) because they for some reason keep producing quality fast bowlers who can create pressure and take wickets regularly.
Agreed LWE re Ashwin.
Regarding our team selection and the choice of 2 spinners for this match. It's the right approach I feel. Our spinners just aren't good enough. The Surrey lads were poor and just weren't giving us any control. Ball has come into the side and has at least given control along with some bonus runs too.
Regarding the win the toss win the game nonsense. You'll find (speaking for myself) that we only have a chance of winning if WE win the toss. We aren't good enough to win batting second.
England playing so many left handers is playing into Ashwin. Very far fetched to claim Ashwin is ahead of his peers. I would put Herath at number one and well see what Yasir does in Oz but he did win Pak two tests in England which is something that Ashwin has failed to do.
comment by 🐑Serial🐑 (U20699)
posted 14 minutes ago
Agreed LWE re Ashwin.
Regarding our team selection and the choice of 2 spinners for this match. It's the right approach I feel. Our spinners just aren't good enough. The Surrey lads were poor and just weren't giving us any control. Ball has come into the side and has at least given control along with some bonus runs too.
Regarding the win the toss win the game nonsense. You'll find (speaking for myself) that we only have a chance of winning if WE win the toss. We aren't good enough to win batting second.
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Leach should have played.
Leach's temperament and mentality was questioned by his own Club captain, Trescothick. He and Rogers both said he's not ready for test cricket.
Somerset prepared some rank turners last year so he had a lot of assistance. Guess we won't know how good he is until/if he's called up.
Boss nope not many spinners do well away from home. But ashwin record in just biased for home conditions..
If he can repeat 23/24 five wicket hauls away from home then he can be classed as outstanding. Its like Pujaras record against England.. he just passed a1000 runs against England. nearly 800 of the runs are in India.
The difference between good spinners and world class spinners is the drop and dip they get..Moeen and Rashid bowl to short way to often..they can never quite get the length that catches batsmen on the crease.
They are either driven or cut.. Not good for a spinner..
Swann was a very good offspinner.. Moeen and Rashid are not good enough at this level..
It's the same with most players really. but as for ashwin he hasn't been given enough chances in away conditions. In all the away series so far he was not even our first pick spinner. Jadeja picked a 6-fer in SA and ashwin didn't play that match. If given the opportunity, he will deffo pick atleast a 1/4 of what he picks in India.
Even in SL ashwin out bowled herath and ashwin is a lot better than what he was 2-3 years ago.
I agree with boss, can't expect ashwin to roll over teams on pitches that don't assist spinners. Just like Yasir shah, people forget that his performances came on English wickets that had something got the spinners. When it didn't he went for over 200 runs.
Even on pitches that assist any type of bowlers, the bowler has to pick wickets. They have to use their skills. Anderson is very skilful in seaming and swinging conditions, which other pacers can't match. It's the same in the subcontinent, there might be an abundance of turn on offer, but requires skill to still use that effectively
A hoggard or a fraser would find a way to winkle a few out.
comment by I Will Not Change My Name (U8613)
posted 3 hours, 38 minutes ago
Hello J...
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Hello friend
No surprise to see India cracking these runs off...
That last decision would've been arrived at a lot quicker with hotpot. ..where is it
bettys hotpot would have worked better..
Why don't they do the ball tracking first to see if it's going to hit and then look at inside edges after.
Roooooooooooooooooooooooooot!
ashwin you cheat.. you were out now get out..
What was Ashwin hoping to achieve there
So all this time toying with a poor 3rd spinner when they had Root?
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posted on 9/12/16
And regardless of what happens tomorrow, India have once again shut the critics who say winning the toss wins you match in India
posted on 9/12/16
England struggle on slower wickets to bowl teams out..Nothing new there. Unless there is some seam movement. England find it difficult to get teams out in a hurry.
posted on 9/12/16
as for Ashwin being a head of his peers. I will repeat once he does it away from subcontinental pitches.. I will have more respect for him
posted on 9/12/16
comment by Liverpoolwhoelse17 (U16825)
posted 24 minutes ago
as for Ashwin being a head of his peers. I will repeat once he does it away from subcontinental pitches.. I will have more respect for him
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Slightly agree but that spinner gets loads of 5fors away from the subcontinent?
Problem with India away from home is that the seemers are generally useless. You can easily pick 3-5 runs off them which builds no pressure so when Ashwin comes on its usually easy pickings.
Paks do well away from home (UAE) because they for some reason keep producing quality fast bowlers who can create pressure and take wickets regularly.
posted on 9/12/16
Agreed LWE re Ashwin.
Regarding our team selection and the choice of 2 spinners for this match. It's the right approach I feel. Our spinners just aren't good enough. The Surrey lads were poor and just weren't giving us any control. Ball has come into the side and has at least given control along with some bonus runs too.
Regarding the win the toss win the game nonsense. You'll find (speaking for myself) that we only have a chance of winning if WE win the toss. We aren't good enough to win batting second.
posted on 9/12/16
England playing so many left handers is playing into Ashwin. Very far fetched to claim Ashwin is ahead of his peers. I would put Herath at number one and well see what Yasir does in Oz but he did win Pak two tests in England which is something that Ashwin has failed to do.
posted on 9/12/16
comment by 🐑Serial🐑 (U20699)
posted 14 minutes ago
Agreed LWE re Ashwin.
Regarding our team selection and the choice of 2 spinners for this match. It's the right approach I feel. Our spinners just aren't good enough. The Surrey lads were poor and just weren't giving us any control. Ball has come into the side and has at least given control along with some bonus runs too.
Regarding the win the toss win the game nonsense. You'll find (speaking for myself) that we only have a chance of winning if WE win the toss. We aren't good enough to win batting second.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Leach should have played.
posted on 9/12/16
Leach's temperament and mentality was questioned by his own Club captain, Trescothick. He and Rogers both said he's not ready for test cricket.
Somerset prepared some rank turners last year so he had a lot of assistance. Guess we won't know how good he is until/if he's called up.
posted on 9/12/16
Boss nope not many spinners do well away from home. But ashwin record in just biased for home conditions..
If he can repeat 23/24 five wicket hauls away from home then he can be classed as outstanding. Its like Pujaras record against England.. he just passed a1000 runs against England. nearly 800 of the runs are in India.
posted on 9/12/16
The difference between good spinners and world class spinners is the drop and dip they get..Moeen and Rashid bowl to short way to often..they can never quite get the length that catches batsmen on the crease.
They are either driven or cut.. Not good for a spinner..
Swann was a very good offspinner.. Moeen and Rashid are not good enough at this level..
posted on 9/12/16
It's the same with most players really. but as for ashwin he hasn't been given enough chances in away conditions. In all the away series so far he was not even our first pick spinner. Jadeja picked a 6-fer in SA and ashwin didn't play that match. If given the opportunity, he will deffo pick atleast a 1/4 of what he picks in India.
Even in SL ashwin out bowled herath and ashwin is a lot better than what he was 2-3 years ago.
posted on 9/12/16
I agree with boss, can't expect ashwin to roll over teams on pitches that don't assist spinners. Just like Yasir shah, people forget that his performances came on English wickets that had something got the spinners. When it didn't he went for over 200 runs.
posted on 9/12/16
Even on pitches that assist any type of bowlers, the bowler has to pick wickets. They have to use their skills. Anderson is very skilful in seaming and swinging conditions, which other pacers can't match. It's the same in the subcontinent, there might be an abundance of turn on offer, but requires skill to still use that effectively
posted on 9/12/16
A hoggard or a fraser would find a way to winkle a few out.
posted on 9/12/16
Hello J...
posted on 9/12/16
comment by I Will Not Change My Name (U8613)
posted 3 hours, 38 minutes ago
Hello J...
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Hello friend
posted on 10/12/16
No surprise to see India cracking these runs off...
posted on 10/12/16
That last decision would've been arrived at a lot quicker with hotpot. ..where is it
posted on 10/12/16
Or even hotspot
posted on 10/12/16
bettys hotpot would have worked better..
posted on 10/12/16
Why don't they do the ball tracking first to see if it's going to hit and then look at inside edges after.
posted on 10/12/16
Roooooooooooooooooooooooooot!
posted on 10/12/16
ashwin you cheat.. you were out now get out..
posted on 10/12/16
What was Ashwin hoping to achieve there
posted on 10/12/16
So all this time toying with a poor 3rd spinner when they had Root?
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