*blusters away

comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 44 seconds ago
John Bercow, guilty of bullying, can never set foot in Parliament again. Home Sec Priti Patel found guilty of bullying, is ensconced in the Home Office, beluatera away at the despatch box, after paying £300+k fine with tax payer money.

Weird world.

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Pretty damning that report (at least the reporting on thf beeb) on bercow. Not properly read it though.

comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 16 seconds ago
John Bercow, guilty of bullying, can never set foot in Parliament again. Home Sec Priti Patel found guilty of bullying, is ensconced in the Home Office, beluatera away at the despatch box, after paying £300+k fine with tax payer money.

Weird world.

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Strikes me he's paying the price for doing his job when Boris was dicking around over Brexit. Pointed out that they were breaking the rules, made them look a bit silly, so he's been kicked out the common room. Politics, it's a bit of wheeze, eh chums.

This is shameful.

Does anyone know if there's other countries in Europe asking refugees for visas?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60659786

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I think everyone demanding more should offer a room in their home to a Ukrainian rather than virtue signalling from their computer screen
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Why do people use this argument as though the only options are not accept any refugees or have one live in your house?
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https://www.propertymark.co.uk/resource/more-must-be-done-to-get-empty-homes-back-into-use.html#:~:text=The%20latest%20UK%20Government%20data,target%20of%20300%2C000%20per%20year.
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Private property rights are a big thing to change.
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Surely, considering the housing crisis we've experienced for years, the attacks on the green belt, the NIMBYism against new builds, it could move up the list of priorities as one potential area of solution.
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I’m not so sure mate. There is a housing shortage, we all agree on that, but significantly changing private property rights would have absolutely massive repercussions
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No doubts but we managed to organise compulsory purchase orders for the likes of HS2 and other infrastructural causes.
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I don’t think they compare in scale to changing private property rights mate.
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Agree to disagree, housing is as much an infrastructure issue as trains and tunnels. Use 'em or lose 'em.
Also, vacant property if they are left to fall into disrepair will ultimately, if a danger to the public, cost the taxpayer.
It's a waste of an already available resource rather than repairing/repurposing. I'm sure there are developers who would jump at the chance to take over existing, rotring, properties
I do appreciate this country's obsession with property, I have that myself, but if a building exists, it's owners have abandoned or are unable/unwilling to utilise it then as an option, I'm not suggesting we steal the property off it's owners.
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Well it kind of is stealing peoples’ property, isn’t it? Your not using it so we’ll put some people in it. What happened if they damage it? How do you get them out? What if you want to use it a month later?

It will never happen and people really should get this ridiculous idea out of their heads but it’s completely ludicrous.
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You're not stealing or if you're paying market value ffs!
Compulsory purchase isn't a new thing you know..

Your logic seems to be, yes we have 600,000 empty homes, ah well.
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If a purchase is not consensual it's theft.
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And yet this sort of thing is done to people all the time, farmers for land, look at how much land was stolen for HS2, A Tory pet project... There countless examples of CPOs for houses to provide access to new housing estates also.

This isn't a new or radical idea tbh. It's been happening here for centuries.
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It’s completely different
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How do?

Some of those accounts about Bercow

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When compared against EU member states, in 2020 the UK ranked 7th in the absolute number of people to whom it gave protection, including resettled refugees


7th. And we’re a ficking island…..and you all moan about us not doing enough

And we’re what? 3rd in the world as of 2019 for giving aid globally?

Yeah what a disposable country we live in
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Hmmm...yes and no. Using (presumably) the same source, when adjusted for per capita we fall to 19th place. Not a great demonstration of doing our "fair share". I think a fair summary would be - we don't do badly for asylum, but could do much better.

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/migration-to-the-uk-asylum/#:~:text=Of%20all%20refugees%20resettled%20in,%2C%20around%2070%25%20were%20Syrian.&text=When%20compared%20against%20EU%20member,gave%20protection%2C%20including%20resettled%20refugees.

I assume it's the "resettled" numbers that give people the willies - but that's really not outstanding either, despite what people like Farage will tell you.
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Adjust for this and it’s that, adjust for that and it’s this.

Our total number is 7th which considering we’re an island and the vast majority of people will have passed through various safe countries, is not quite the disposable levels that some would have us believe.

Coupled with our financial aid, I think we do a fair bit globally to help people.
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I think adjusting for population is far more useful than just saying we're an island, as if that means anything at all. For a country of our size, we're not outstanding in these tables (to be honest that could be taken as a positive in itself) but if you want to compare us to other countries, we're not really pulling our weight in a situation in which speed is paramount.
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Adjusting for population makes perfect sense. As does considering land mass and the relative wealth of the recipient nation.

By none of those factors does the UK look like it is remotely pulling its weight, and it hasn’t done for decades.

Again, this is not party political. The UK has been downright shiiiit at helping refugees and asylum seekers for generations.

comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Who do you think ... (U3126)
posted 5 minutes ago
This is shameful.

Does anyone know if there's other countries in Europe asking refugees for visas?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60659786

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'The UK has quite literally left them out in the cold.'

Matthew Thompson reports from the UK's visa application centre in Rzezsow, Poland, where Ukrainian refugees have been left outside for hours in -3C cold.

@ShelaghFogarty | @mattuthompson https://t.co/ClpDa5FLVW

comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 3 minutes ago
Some of those accounts about Bercow
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Tories eh!

comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
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Anyone read about Joe Rogan sharing a post by a fake CNN Twitter feed claiming that Steven Seagal was fighting with Russian special forces in Ukraine?

Just when you think the grifting cant couldn’t do anything more spectacularly stupid…
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But but but but Spotify….

Grifters gonna Grift.
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Spotify and Twitter are as bad as each other, IMO. It’s only the nature of the bulk of their most popular content that divides them.

Both are equally willing to provide a platform for hate speech and misinformation.
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Rosso, you need to check out "Rumble".
The social media of choice for right wing kooks.
No fact checking whatsoever.

comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Who do you think ... (U3126)
posted 5 minutes ago
This is shameful.

Does anyone know if there's other countries in Europe asking refugees for visas?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60659786

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'The UK has quite literally left them out in the cold.'

Matthew Thompson reports from the UK's visa application centre in Rzezsow, Poland, where Ukrainian refugees have been left outside for hours in -3C cold.

@ShelaghFogarty | @mattuthompson https://t.co/ClpDa5FLVW
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This was Yvette Cooper from earlier today in the HoCs. Depressing stuff...

https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1501189208047763462?t=vHK0vbaHHzChbqCGGOpi-A&s=19

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comment by puNPE (U22712)
posted 1 minute ago
I think everyone demanding more should offer a room in their home to a Ukrainian rather than virtue signalling from their computer screen
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Why do people use this argument as though the only options are not accept any refugees or have one live in your house?
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https://www.propertymark.co.uk/resource/more-must-be-done-to-get-empty-homes-back-into-use.html#:~:text=The%20latest%20UK%20Government%20data,target%20of%20300%2C000%20per%20year.
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Private property rights are a big thing to change.
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Surely, considering the housing crisis we've experienced for years, the attacks on the green belt, the NIMBYism against new builds, it could move up the list of priorities as one potential area of solution.
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I’m not so sure mate. There is a housing shortage, we all agree on that, but significantly changing private property rights would have absolutely massive repercussions
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No doubts but we managed to organise compulsory purchase orders for the likes of HS2 and other infrastructural causes.
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I don’t think they compare in scale to changing private property rights mate.
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Agree to disagree, housing is as much an infrastructure issue as trains and tunnels. Use 'em or lose 'em.
Also, vacant property if they are left to fall into disrepair will ultimately, if a danger to the public, cost the taxpayer.
It's a waste of an already available resource rather than repairing/repurposing. I'm sure there are developers who would jump at the chance to take over existing, rotring, properties
I do appreciate this country's obsession with property, I have that myself, but if a building exists, it's owners have abandoned or are unable/unwilling to utilise it then as an option, I'm not suggesting we steal the property off it's owners.
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Well it kind of is stealing peoples’ property, isn’t it? Your not using it so we’ll put some people in it. What happened if they damage it? How do you get them out? What if you want to use it a month later?

It will never happen and people really should get this ridiculous idea out of their heads but it’s completely ludicrous.
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You're not stealing or if you're paying market value ffs!
Compulsory purchase isn't a new thing you know..

Your logic seems to be, yes we have 600,000 empty homes, ah well.
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Compulsory purchase. Is that not a thing in the UK anymore?

One is for development for the public betterment, the other is taking peoples’ houses off them to house foreign nationals.

I trust that this clarifies the distinction for you all

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 48 seconds ago
One is for development for the public betterment, the other is taking peoples’ houses off them to house foreign nationals.

I trust that this clarifies the distinction for you all
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That wasn't the point of that particular thread though was it? That was more generally about the "housing crisis", that could be alleviated by turning houses that already exist into homes. Very much for the "public betterment".

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comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
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comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
Anyone read about Joe Rogan sharing a post by a fake CNN Twitter feed claiming that Steven Seagal was fighting with Russian special forces in Ukraine?

Just when you think the grifting cant couldn’t do anything more spectacularly stupid…
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But but but but Spotify….

Grifters gonna Grift.
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Spotify and Twitter are as bad as each other, IMO. It’s only the nature of the bulk of their most popular content that divides them.

Both are equally willing to provide a platform for hate speech and misinformation.
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Rosso, you need to check out "Rumble".
The social media of choice for right wing kooks.
No fact checking whatsoever.
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Thanks for the recommendation

To be fair at least Spotify offers music. But then again, some of the ethics of that is arguable.

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posted 2 minutes ago
To be fair at least Spotify offers music. But then again, some of the ethics of that is arguable.
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But the monetisation doesn't really go where people think. Especially indie artists.

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posted 50 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 48 seconds ago
One is for development for the public betterment, the other is taking peoples’ houses off them to house foreign nationals.

I trust that this clarifies the distinction for you all
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That wasn't the point of that particular thread though was it? That was more generally about the "housing crisis", that could be alleviated by turning houses that already exist into homes. Very much for the "public betterment".
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Build more houses and stop letting so many people in like we did from 1997 onwards.

Problem solved

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comment by Black Hawk (U16342)
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To be fair at least Spotify offers music. But then again, some of the ethics of that is arguable.
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But the monetisation doesn't really go where people think. Especially indie artists.

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Yeah a mate of mine works in that whole world, I had no idea how little the artists got. Even the huge ones!

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posted 10 minutes ago
To be fair at least Spotify offers music. But then again, some of the ethics of that is arguable.
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That's what I meant when I said the bulk of the most popular content. But some of the podcast content is incredible.

I was trying to bone up (snigger) on some Portuguese history a couple of years back, and found a podcast episode covering the era of the Salazar dictatorship. About half the way through the second episode (I think) it started smelling a little fishy, and listening on a bit (then going away to read about the podcast and host) the podcast turned out be an unapologetic glorification of the fascist history of Europe

I didn't listen on, but some of the other stuff the bloke had published was openly - and I don't mean this in the antifa 'anything right of centre is fascist' sense - full blown fascistic and full of historical untruths and omissions of the kind you can imagine.

I do find myself using Spotify a lot. But then again a I buy a lot of records and support artists by going to gigs.

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
One is for development for the public betterment, the other is taking peoples’ houses off them to house foreign nationals.

I trust that this clarifies the distinction for you all
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The discussion was the housing crisis, and should include the farmland crisis too, due to empty homes.

Both are for the public betterment, far more so than HS2.

I think the only distinction between the two scenarios (one acceptable to you, one not) is who is benefitting, wealthy land developers or regular Joe Bloggs who might get an affordable house price.

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comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 50 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 48 seconds ago
One is for development for the public betterment, the other is taking peoples’ houses off them to house foreign nationals.

I trust that this clarifies the distinction for you all
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That wasn't the point of that particular thread though was it? That was more generally about the "housing crisis", that could be alleviated by turning houses that already exist into homes. Very much for the "public betterment".
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Build more houses and stop letting so many people in like we did from 1997 onwards.

Problem solved
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Problems created more like.

We have enough homes to satisfy demand, why should there be empty buildings while we destroy our ecology and food security?!

Sorry was the 600,000 vacant homes not relating to housing refugees? I could have sworn that’s what we were talking about….

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comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 50 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 48 seconds ago
One is for development for the public betterment, the other is taking peoples’ houses off them to house foreign nationals.

I trust that this clarifies the distinction for you all
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That wasn't the point of that particular thread though was it? That was more generally about the "housing crisis", that could be alleviated by turning houses that already exist into homes. Very much for the "public betterment".
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Build more houses and stop letting so many people in like we did from 1997 onwards.

Problem solved
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Problems created more like.

We have enough homes to satisfy demand, why should there be empty buildings while we destroy our ecology and food security?!
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Private property rights