comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 7 minutes ago
Satters - why do other countries in Europe appear able to mobilise quicker? They’ve had the “same” covid we have had.
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Geography and FOM and not having recently changed their immigration process entirely all during a pandemic.
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Geography - Ireland seem to have been able to pick it up relatively quickly.
But AFAIK there is not free movement from Ukraine to another country? Is it not that visas have been suspended for people from Ukraine in the EU? Is that not the reason? Is that something we could choose to do? Would you support us doing so?
Interesting that you are in effect blaming brexit 😜
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted about a minute ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 46 minutes ago
Why do they need a week? What's the hold up? Do we only have one biometric machine or something?
It's pretty damning that this once great nation cannot offer succour to the desperate.
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Excuse me?
https://www.wristband.com/content/which-countries-provide-receive-most-foreign-aid/
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Boringly predictable avoidance.
Your weird link is about aid in 2017, we've since cut our aid budget by between £4-5 billion.
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Boring predictable moaning for you as always. You have no idea what their challenges are yet you find it ludicrous that they need time to sort out their processes for another unexpected disaster. Have you tried to implement change since covid? It’s a nightmare.
That weird link was the top result when searching for countries listed by aid given to counter your boring miser comments on this once great nation.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_development_aid_country_donors
Is 2019 recent enough for you?
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Unexpected disaster! don't make me laugh, your boys are claiming credit for deploying our troops to the Baltic and Poland in preparation of Putin's actions, so what, refugees fleeing a war zone was unforseeable was it? They could organise the military but not the foreign visa offices? It's another example of ineptitude.
The avoidance jibe might have been better phrased as whitabootery as it doesn't address my original questions about why it's taking so long.
Your link was a wristband manufacturer mate!
The Wiki link is still out of date, we've cut our overseas aid budget from 0.7% to 0.5% since 2019.
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Go get more up to date data then.
You have no idea what you are talking about yet are moaning about our response.
I said the numbers would go up, they already are doing.
I said give it a week, give it a week. Are the refugees coming directly from Ukraine or via other European countries?
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Why should I get data to prove your point?
You're the one saying it was unforseeable, it wasn't.
They've went up from 50 to 300, presumably including the original 50.
The golden visa brigade get waved through, including Putin's best pals, and there are at least 700 of them ACTUALLY GETTING PASSPORTS refugees don't want to be here and will go home when it's safe to do so, most if not all would be women and children as fighting aged men aren't allowed to leave Ukraine.
comment by puNPE (U22712)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 5 minutes ago
It is.
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No it isn't.
Where will they live? Will they be vetted? Will we prioritise younger people or families? How will we fund their arrival? Will English speaking be a requirement? What is our quota compared to European countries? How long should they be allowed to stay for without a visa?
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5000+ had made a visa application, presumably after hearing about the family route so I presume with family.
Most will be women and children as fighting age men have to stay in Ukraine.
They will no doubt make their own arrangements to get here or if not, we can fly them from the bordering countries, we're not a poor country.
They don't want to come here, they were happy on their own country, they want to go back as soon as it's safe.
It's all very simple.
"refugees don't want to be here and will go home when it's safe to do so"
This rarely happens.
"most if not all would be women and children as fighting aged men aren't allowed to leave Ukraine"
Actually it tends to be men as they can move faster
comment by puNPE (U22712)
posted 8 minutes ago
I also think we should ignore the immediate emotional response of 'take everyone' - I don't want us doing what Germany did in 2015.
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We wouldn't be taking 1 million but we should be taking our fair share. It's what we used to do as
Sir Roger Gail MP
"In 1972 we took into Kent thousands of Ugandan Asians. We did it almost overnight and without any difficulty at all."
comment by puNPE (U22712)
posted 3 minutes ago
"refugees don't want to be here and will go home when it's safe to do so"
This rarely happens.
"most if not all would be women and children as fighting aged men aren't allowed to leave Ukraine"
Actually it tends to be men as they can move faster
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Oh come on! This is delusional.
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 7 minutes ago
Satters - why do other countries in Europe appear able to mobilise quicker? They’ve had the “same” covid we have had.
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Geography and FOM and not having recently changed their immigration process entirely all during a pandemic.
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Geography - Ireland seem to have been able to pick it up relatively quickly.
But AFAIK there is not free movement from Ukraine to another country? Is it not that visas have been suspended for people from Ukraine in the EU? Is that not the reason? Is that something we could choose to do? Would you support us doing so?
Interesting that you are in effect blaming brexit 😜
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Why is it interesting? I voted remain?
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by puNPE (U22712)
posted 3 minutes ago
"refugees don't want to be here and will go home when it's safe to do so"
This rarely happens.
"most if not all would be women and children as fighting aged men aren't allowed to leave Ukraine"
Actually it tends to be men as they can move faster
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Oh come on! This is delusional.
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How is it delusional?
If people move thousands of miles and set up roots in a new place and have a family settling in they are not going to move back to a country with a border with Russia under constant threat of invasion.
I am not blaming them. Its obvious. Same way none of the 'Syrian refugees' (largely economic migrants not from Syria) have stayed in Germany.
As for the second point that's also obvious. Single men or men with families typically go ahead first
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by puNPE (U22712)
posted 8 minutes ago
I also think we should ignore the immediate emotional response of 'take everyone' - I don't want us doing what Germany did in 2015.
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We wouldn't be taking 1 million but we should be taking our fair share. It's what we used to do as
Sir Roger Gail MP
"In 1972 we took into Kent thousands of Ugandan Asians. We did it almost overnight and without any difficulty at all."
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Ben Wallace said 200,000
I think that's too many personally
Just to add the HO is applying the same immigration policies (visa requirements) they do in normal circumstances. Ie ignoring the fact these people are desperate and fleeing war.
Ukrainian refugees are being invited to apply for a UK visa in Calais. The HO in turn announced: "There is no visa application centre in Calais and people should not travel there."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60652914.amp
To answer your questions BMCL. I’m not sure what I would do. It’s a very complicated situation and I don’t have anywhere near the information required to make such decisions.
I would offer support to neighbouring countries such as Poland, as I believe we are doing.
I think everyone demanding more should offer a room in their home to a Ukrainian rather than virtue signalling from their computer screen
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 7 minutes ago
Satters - why do other countries in Europe appear able to mobilise quicker? They’ve had the “same” covid we have had.
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Geography and FOM and not having recently changed their immigration process entirely all during a pandemic.
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Geography - Ireland seem to have been able to pick it up relatively quickly.
But AFAIK there is not free movement from Ukraine to another country? Is it not that visas have been suspended for people from Ukraine in the EU? Is that not the reason? Is that something we could choose to do? Would you support us doing so?
Interesting that you are in effect blaming brexit 😜
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Why is it interesting? I voted remain?
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I’m not sure many conservatives would have the gumption to blame brexit is what is interesting.
Would you be interested in addressing the rest of my post?
Over the last decade, the UK rejected three quarters of of all applications from those displaced Iraqi and Afghani people who managed to make it as far as the UK border, so I’m not sure what people were expecting here.
I mean, we didn’t even *start* this one. It isn’t even us actually bombing the Ukrainian people, is it?
(Aside from Syria, Afghanistan and Iraq were the two countries suffering the highest levels of civilian casualties from explosive weapons in the last decade.)
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
To answer your questions BMCL. I’m not sure what I would do. It’s a very complicated situation and I don’t have anywhere near the information required to make such decisions.
I would offer support to neighbouring countries such as Poland, as I believe we are doing.
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Ah just seen this. Apologies.
From your response I get a sense that you think it could well be that we’re not doing enough, or could do things significantly better than we are now, but you would await data before you confirm that. Is that correct?
comment by puNPE (U22712)
posted less than a minute ago
I think everyone demanding more should offer a room in their home to a Ukrainian rather than virtue signalling from their computer screen
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Heartless trite troll says heartless trite things.
We can both play that game.
https://www.refugeesathome.org/
comment by puNPE (U22712)
posted 1 minute ago
I think everyone demanding more should offer a room in their home to a Ukrainian rather than virtue signalling from their computer screen
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Why do people use this argument as though the only options are not accept any refugees or have one live in your house?
All party politics aside, the UK’s record on asylum and the protection of refugees is an all-ends-up disgrace and has been for a long time, particularly considering its aggressive and unprovoked military interventions around the globe.
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by puNPE (U22712)
posted 1 minute ago
I think everyone demanding more should offer a room in their home to a Ukrainian rather than virtue signalling from their computer screen
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Why do people use this argument as though the only options are not accept any refugees or have one live in your house?
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https://www.propertymark.co.uk/resource/more-must-be-done-to-get-empty-homes-back-into-use.html#:~:text=The%20latest%20UK%20Government%20data,target%20of%20300%2C000%20per%20year.
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
To answer your questions BMCL. I’m not sure what I would do. It’s a very complicated situation and I don’t have anywhere near the information required to make such decisions.
I would offer support to neighbouring countries such as Poland, as I believe we are doing.
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Ah just seen this. Apologies.
From your response I get a sense that you think it could well be that we’re not doing enough, or could do things significantly better than we are now, but you would await data before you confirm that. Is that correct?
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Not so much data but I don’t have inside knowledge of the processes involved here, nor the effects of the various options available to us. It’s well outside of my area of expertise.
Am I happy about only 50 being processed and then only 300? No. Do I think that this number will continue to increase? Yes.
Do I think we should offer aid to those poor people suffering in Ukraine? Yes
Do I think we are offering aid? Yes
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by puNPE (U22712)
posted 1 minute ago
I think everyone demanding more should offer a room in their home to a Ukrainian rather than virtue signalling from their computer screen
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Why do people use this argument as though the only options are not accept any refugees or have one live in your house?
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https://www.propertymark.co.uk/resource/more-must-be-done-to-get-empty-homes-back-into-use.html#:~:text=The%20latest%20UK%20Government%20data,target%20of%20300%2C000%20per%20year.
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Private property rights are a big thing to change.
As someone said yesterday, the system is doing exactly what it was designed to do, and this is kinda what people were moaning about for years, that they basically 'don't want refugees/immigrants coming here taking our jobs, homes, benefits ' etc....but now that tune has changed..
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by puNPE (U22712)
posted less than a minute ago
I think everyone demanding more should offer a room in their home to a Ukrainian rather than virtue signalling from their computer screen
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Heartless trite troll says heartless trite things.
We can both play that game.
https://www.refugeesathome.org/
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Not being a troll.
Put your virtue into practice.
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted about a minute ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by puNPE (U22712)
posted 1 minute ago
I think everyone demanding more should offer a room in their home to a Ukrainian rather than virtue signalling from their computer screen
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Why do people use this argument as though the only options are not accept any refugees or have one live in your house?
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https://www.propertymark.co.uk/resource/more-must-be-done-to-get-empty-homes-back-into-use.html#:~:text=The%20latest%20UK%20Government%20data,target%20of%20300%2C000%20per%20year.
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Private property rights are a big thing to change.
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Surely, considering the housing crisis we've experienced for years, the attacks on the green belt, the NIMBYism against new builds, it could move up the list of priorities as one potential area of solution.
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by puNPE (U22712)
posted 1 minute ago
I think everyone demanding more should offer a room in their home to a Ukrainian rather than virtue signalling from their computer screen
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Why do people use this argument as though the only options are not accept any refugees or have one live in your house?
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https://www.propertymark.co.uk/resource/more-must-be-done-to-get-empty-homes-back-into-use.html#:~:text=The%20latest%20UK%20Government%20data,target%20of%20300%2C000%20per%20year.
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Private property rights are a big thing to change.
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Lol is that the best the left can do? Steal property to support refugees?
Madness. No wonder they lose every election .
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posted on 8/3/22
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 7 minutes ago
Satters - why do other countries in Europe appear able to mobilise quicker? They’ve had the “same” covid we have had.
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Geography and FOM and not having recently changed their immigration process entirely all during a pandemic.
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Geography - Ireland seem to have been able to pick it up relatively quickly.
But AFAIK there is not free movement from Ukraine to another country? Is it not that visas have been suspended for people from Ukraine in the EU? Is that not the reason? Is that something we could choose to do? Would you support us doing so?
Interesting that you are in effect blaming brexit 😜
posted on 8/3/22
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted about a minute ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 46 minutes ago
Why do they need a week? What's the hold up? Do we only have one biometric machine or something?
It's pretty damning that this once great nation cannot offer succour to the desperate.
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Excuse me?
https://www.wristband.com/content/which-countries-provide-receive-most-foreign-aid/
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Boringly predictable avoidance.
Your weird link is about aid in 2017, we've since cut our aid budget by between £4-5 billion.
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Boring predictable moaning for you as always. You have no idea what their challenges are yet you find it ludicrous that they need time to sort out their processes for another unexpected disaster. Have you tried to implement change since covid? It’s a nightmare.
That weird link was the top result when searching for countries listed by aid given to counter your boring miser comments on this once great nation.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_development_aid_country_donors
Is 2019 recent enough for you?
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Unexpected disaster! don't make me laugh, your boys are claiming credit for deploying our troops to the Baltic and Poland in preparation of Putin's actions, so what, refugees fleeing a war zone was unforseeable was it? They could organise the military but not the foreign visa offices? It's another example of ineptitude.
The avoidance jibe might have been better phrased as whitabootery as it doesn't address my original questions about why it's taking so long.
Your link was a wristband manufacturer mate!
The Wiki link is still out of date, we've cut our overseas aid budget from 0.7% to 0.5% since 2019.
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Go get more up to date data then.
You have no idea what you are talking about yet are moaning about our response.
I said the numbers would go up, they already are doing.
I said give it a week, give it a week. Are the refugees coming directly from Ukraine or via other European countries?
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Why should I get data to prove your point?
You're the one saying it was unforseeable, it wasn't.
They've went up from 50 to 300, presumably including the original 50.
The golden visa brigade get waved through, including Putin's best pals, and there are at least 700 of them ACTUALLY GETTING PASSPORTS refugees don't want to be here and will go home when it's safe to do so, most if not all would be women and children as fighting aged men aren't allowed to leave Ukraine.
posted on 8/3/22
comment by puNPE (U22712)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 5 minutes ago
It is.
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No it isn't.
Where will they live? Will they be vetted? Will we prioritise younger people or families? How will we fund their arrival? Will English speaking be a requirement? What is our quota compared to European countries? How long should they be allowed to stay for without a visa?
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5000+ had made a visa application, presumably after hearing about the family route so I presume with family.
Most will be women and children as fighting age men have to stay in Ukraine.
They will no doubt make their own arrangements to get here or if not, we can fly them from the bordering countries, we're not a poor country.
They don't want to come here, they were happy on their own country, they want to go back as soon as it's safe.
It's all very simple.
posted on 8/3/22
"refugees don't want to be here and will go home when it's safe to do so"
This rarely happens.
"most if not all would be women and children as fighting aged men aren't allowed to leave Ukraine"
Actually it tends to be men as they can move faster
posted on 8/3/22
comment by puNPE (U22712)
posted 8 minutes ago
I also think we should ignore the immediate emotional response of 'take everyone' - I don't want us doing what Germany did in 2015.
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We wouldn't be taking 1 million but we should be taking our fair share. It's what we used to do as
Sir Roger Gail MP
"In 1972 we took into Kent thousands of Ugandan Asians. We did it almost overnight and without any difficulty at all."
posted on 8/3/22
comment by puNPE (U22712)
posted 3 minutes ago
"refugees don't want to be here and will go home when it's safe to do so"
This rarely happens.
"most if not all would be women and children as fighting aged men aren't allowed to leave Ukraine"
Actually it tends to be men as they can move faster
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Oh come on! This is delusional.
posted on 8/3/22
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 7 minutes ago
Satters - why do other countries in Europe appear able to mobilise quicker? They’ve had the “same” covid we have had.
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Geography and FOM and not having recently changed their immigration process entirely all during a pandemic.
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Geography - Ireland seem to have been able to pick it up relatively quickly.
But AFAIK there is not free movement from Ukraine to another country? Is it not that visas have been suspended for people from Ukraine in the EU? Is that not the reason? Is that something we could choose to do? Would you support us doing so?
Interesting that you are in effect blaming brexit 😜
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Why is it interesting? I voted remain?
posted on 8/3/22
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by puNPE (U22712)
posted 3 minutes ago
"refugees don't want to be here and will go home when it's safe to do so"
This rarely happens.
"most if not all would be women and children as fighting aged men aren't allowed to leave Ukraine"
Actually it tends to be men as they can move faster
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Oh come on! This is delusional.
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How is it delusional?
If people move thousands of miles and set up roots in a new place and have a family settling in they are not going to move back to a country with a border with Russia under constant threat of invasion.
I am not blaming them. Its obvious. Same way none of the 'Syrian refugees' (largely economic migrants not from Syria) have stayed in Germany.
As for the second point that's also obvious. Single men or men with families typically go ahead first
posted on 8/3/22
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by puNPE (U22712)
posted 8 minutes ago
I also think we should ignore the immediate emotional response of 'take everyone' - I don't want us doing what Germany did in 2015.
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We wouldn't be taking 1 million but we should be taking our fair share. It's what we used to do as
Sir Roger Gail MP
"In 1972 we took into Kent thousands of Ugandan Asians. We did it almost overnight and without any difficulty at all."
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Ben Wallace said 200,000
I think that's too many personally
posted on 8/3/22
Just to add the HO is applying the same immigration policies (visa requirements) they do in normal circumstances. Ie ignoring the fact these people are desperate and fleeing war.
Ukrainian refugees are being invited to apply for a UK visa in Calais. The HO in turn announced: "There is no visa application centre in Calais and people should not travel there."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60652914.amp
posted on 8/3/22
To answer your questions BMCL. I’m not sure what I would do. It’s a very complicated situation and I don’t have anywhere near the information required to make such decisions.
I would offer support to neighbouring countries such as Poland, as I believe we are doing.
posted on 8/3/22
I think everyone demanding more should offer a room in their home to a Ukrainian rather than virtue signalling from their computer screen
posted on 8/3/22
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 7 minutes ago
Satters - why do other countries in Europe appear able to mobilise quicker? They’ve had the “same” covid we have had.
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Geography and FOM and not having recently changed their immigration process entirely all during a pandemic.
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Geography - Ireland seem to have been able to pick it up relatively quickly.
But AFAIK there is not free movement from Ukraine to another country? Is it not that visas have been suspended for people from Ukraine in the EU? Is that not the reason? Is that something we could choose to do? Would you support us doing so?
Interesting that you are in effect blaming brexit 😜
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Why is it interesting? I voted remain?
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I’m not sure many conservatives would have the gumption to blame brexit is what is interesting.
Would you be interested in addressing the rest of my post?
posted on 8/3/22
Over the last decade, the UK rejected three quarters of of all applications from those displaced Iraqi and Afghani people who managed to make it as far as the UK border, so I’m not sure what people were expecting here.
I mean, we didn’t even *start* this one. It isn’t even us actually bombing the Ukrainian people, is it?
(Aside from Syria, Afghanistan and Iraq were the two countries suffering the highest levels of civilian casualties from explosive weapons in the last decade.)
posted on 8/3/22
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
To answer your questions BMCL. I’m not sure what I would do. It’s a very complicated situation and I don’t have anywhere near the information required to make such decisions.
I would offer support to neighbouring countries such as Poland, as I believe we are doing.
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Ah just seen this. Apologies.
From your response I get a sense that you think it could well be that we’re not doing enough, or could do things significantly better than we are now, but you would await data before you confirm that. Is that correct?
posted on 8/3/22
comment by puNPE (U22712)
posted less than a minute ago
I think everyone demanding more should offer a room in their home to a Ukrainian rather than virtue signalling from their computer screen
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Heartless trite troll says heartless trite things.
We can both play that game.
https://www.refugeesathome.org/
posted on 8/3/22
comment by puNPE (U22712)
posted 1 minute ago
I think everyone demanding more should offer a room in their home to a Ukrainian rather than virtue signalling from their computer screen
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Why do people use this argument as though the only options are not accept any refugees or have one live in your house?
posted on 8/3/22
All party politics aside, the UK’s record on asylum and the protection of refugees is an all-ends-up disgrace and has been for a long time, particularly considering its aggressive and unprovoked military interventions around the globe.
posted on 8/3/22
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by puNPE (U22712)
posted 1 minute ago
I think everyone demanding more should offer a room in their home to a Ukrainian rather than virtue signalling from their computer screen
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Why do people use this argument as though the only options are not accept any refugees or have one live in your house?
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https://www.propertymark.co.uk/resource/more-must-be-done-to-get-empty-homes-back-into-use.html#:~:text=The%20latest%20UK%20Government%20data,target%20of%20300%2C000%20per%20year.
posted on 8/3/22
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
To answer your questions BMCL. I’m not sure what I would do. It’s a very complicated situation and I don’t have anywhere near the information required to make such decisions.
I would offer support to neighbouring countries such as Poland, as I believe we are doing.
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Ah just seen this. Apologies.
From your response I get a sense that you think it could well be that we’re not doing enough, or could do things significantly better than we are now, but you would await data before you confirm that. Is that correct?
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Not so much data but I don’t have inside knowledge of the processes involved here, nor the effects of the various options available to us. It’s well outside of my area of expertise.
Am I happy about only 50 being processed and then only 300? No. Do I think that this number will continue to increase? Yes.
Do I think we should offer aid to those poor people suffering in Ukraine? Yes
Do I think we are offering aid? Yes
posted on 8/3/22
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by puNPE (U22712)
posted 1 minute ago
I think everyone demanding more should offer a room in their home to a Ukrainian rather than virtue signalling from their computer screen
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Why do people use this argument as though the only options are not accept any refugees or have one live in your house?
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https://www.propertymark.co.uk/resource/more-must-be-done-to-get-empty-homes-back-into-use.html#:~:text=The%20latest%20UK%20Government%20data,target%20of%20300%2C000%20per%20year.
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Private property rights are a big thing to change.
posted on 8/3/22
As someone said yesterday, the system is doing exactly what it was designed to do, and this is kinda what people were moaning about for years, that they basically 'don't want refugees/immigrants coming here taking our jobs, homes, benefits ' etc....but now that tune has changed..
posted on 8/3/22
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by puNPE (U22712)
posted less than a minute ago
I think everyone demanding more should offer a room in their home to a Ukrainian rather than virtue signalling from their computer screen
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Heartless trite troll says heartless trite things.
We can both play that game.
https://www.refugeesathome.org/
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Not being a troll.
Put your virtue into practice.
posted on 8/3/22
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted about a minute ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by puNPE (U22712)
posted 1 minute ago
I think everyone demanding more should offer a room in their home to a Ukrainian rather than virtue signalling from their computer screen
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Why do people use this argument as though the only options are not accept any refugees or have one live in your house?
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https://www.propertymark.co.uk/resource/more-must-be-done-to-get-empty-homes-back-into-use.html#:~:text=The%20latest%20UK%20Government%20data,target%20of%20300%2C000%20per%20year.
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Private property rights are a big thing to change.
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Surely, considering the housing crisis we've experienced for years, the attacks on the green belt, the NIMBYism against new builds, it could move up the list of priorities as one potential area of solution.
posted on 8/3/22
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by puNPE (U22712)
posted 1 minute ago
I think everyone demanding more should offer a room in their home to a Ukrainian rather than virtue signalling from their computer screen
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Why do people use this argument as though the only options are not accept any refugees or have one live in your house?
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https://www.propertymark.co.uk/resource/more-must-be-done-to-get-empty-homes-back-into-use.html#:~:text=The%20latest%20UK%20Government%20data,target%20of%20300%2C000%20per%20year.
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Private property rights are a big thing to change.
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Lol is that the best the left can do? Steal property to support refugees?
Madness. No wonder they lose every election .
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