comment by Brain (U18701)
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comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Brain (U18701)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by selbstgerechtein (U7048)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by Brain (U18701)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by KLS. (U1695)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Brain (U18701)
posted 59 minutes ago
comment by KLS. (U1695)
posted 37 minutes ago
It’s not that you maybe wrong, you just are wrong!
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Quite the opposite, as until he's played, nothing can be shown as fact. As such, your suggestion that you can speak definitely is incorrect and unsupported, so literally speaking, it is currently you who is wrong.
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No, you are wrong because you can’t provide any argument as to why our system is so good defensively, best home defence in the country.
You are providing an opinion which is wrong!
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Also, if you want to use only statistics to support your claim, you cannot definitely say the defence is the best home defence in the country until everyone has played everyone at home, otherwise you are not comparing like for like, and so the comparison doesn't hold water.
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You can say it’s the best to date, which it is.
You haven’t been able to offer any explanation at all as to why a flawed system would work so well at home.
All you can offer is a failure to discredit the evidence.
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I'd say that if the system wasnt flawed, it would work better away from home.
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We have made a lot of individual mistakes away from home that cannot be blamed on the system. Look at the Watford and Spurs games for perfect examples.
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Players can make mistakes for a multitude of reasons, and one of those can be that they feel the cumulative effects of a system which they have to work exceptionally hard within to keep the team afloat. Eventually something gives. Or as you say, sometimes players are just bad.
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The mistakes in the two given games can't really be blamed on that, they were just stupid mistakes. The penalty given away against Everton as well, although soft, was needless.
comment by Brain (U18701)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by selbstgerechtein (U7048)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by Brain (U18701)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by KLS. (U1695)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Brain (U18701)
posted 59 minutes ago
comment by KLS. (U1695)
posted 37 minutes ago
It’s not that you maybe wrong, you just are wrong!
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Quite the opposite, as until he's played, nothing can be shown as fact. As such, your suggestion that you can speak definitely is incorrect and unsupported, so literally speaking, it is currently you who is wrong.
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No, you are wrong because you can’t provide any argument as to why our system is so good defensively, best home defence in the country.
You are providing an opinion which is wrong!
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Also, if you want to use only statistics to support your claim, you cannot definitely say the defence is the best home defence in the country until everyone has played everyone at home, otherwise you are not comparing like for like, and so the comparison doesn't hold water.
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You can say it’s the best to date, which it is.
You haven’t been able to offer any explanation at all as to why a flawed system would work so well at home.
All you can offer is a failure to discredit the evidence.
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I'd say that if the system wasnt flawed, it would work better away from home.
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So every team with discrepancies between Home and away form has a flawed system?
comment by Brain (U18701)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by selbstgerechtein (U7048)
posted 2 minutes ago
Certainly or speculatively?
Saints have had about 4 different managers between Lovren and VVD.
If they have all played the same way then I would be shocked.
You are on the ropes and are reaching, to be honest.
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It doesn't sound to me like you know the answer, so you aren't really in a position to offer comment.
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Watched a lot of Southampton in the recent years have you?
You can’t argue with an idiot, they’ll always think they’re right.
Brain Fart would be more an apt username I feel.
I don't think the OP has thought this through.
We keep the ball a significant amount of time in a game, so we are far from gung ho and exposing the defence.
Many of the goals we have conceded have come through basic errors, or even idiotic errors. See Moreno giving away pens and stupid fouls or Lovren doing something stupid in the box or getting caught under a ball.
When we are relinquishing the ball it is because we are a goal or two to the good and waiting to play on the counter.
The defence is far from exposed then, but still relies on the ball being defended and recycled quickly. Both things Van Dyke will do, without the aforementioned mistakes.
Van Dyke will improve us, significantly so.
OP is wrong.
Too many responses to keep up with, so I'll just bookend this with the point that in a few months it will be clear how much of an impact vvd will have made. I think it will be an improvement, but not massive, and most of you think he will have a huge impact. We will see.
comment by KLS. (U1695)
posted 44 minutes ago
You can’t argue with an idiot, they’ll always think they’re right.
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Ironic
comment by Brain (U18701)
posted 1 hour, 45 minutes ago
Too many responses to keep up with, so I'll just bookend this with the point that in a few months it will be clear how much of an impact vvd will have made. I think it will be an improvement, but not massive, and most of you think he will have a huge impact. We will see.
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He is signing for years not months, so no it won’t.
Measuring his impact after a few months or even a year is infinitely more possible than if he hasn't played for the club. Do you not think you will see if he improves the team in the first 6 months or first year? Will you only judge this on how he has done over 4 years, and no reasonable view can be taken before then? If he becomes as good as some of you hope, he may well have left for a bigger club by then, and he has shown he will virtually stop playing if he wants a move.
So now it’s gone from a few months to 6 months to a year.
You move goalposts more than a PE teacher.
Brain has engaged his envy and is coming out with:
- "if he's as good as expected, he'll go on strike and move to a bigger club."
While hoping he doesn't turn out so good for Liverpool.
I take it that goal was due to the system
comment by selbstgerechtein (U7048)
posted 9 hours, 48 minutes ago
So now it’s gone from a few months to 6 months to a year.
You move goalposts more than a PE teacher.
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I was merely suggesting that your suggested 4 years is a rather long period of time to elapse before you can evaluate his progress, which it is. My suggestion of a year was simply a compromise term.
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 6 hours, 29 minutes ago
Brain has engaged his envy and is coming out with:
- "if he's as good as expected, he'll go on strike and move to a bigger club."
While hoping he doesn't turn out so good for Liverpool.
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I have consistently said that I hope he does well, so it’s unclear how you can arrive at that conclusion. I think it's because you are unable to separate emotion from objectivity.
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 2 hours, 32 minutes ago
I take it that goal was due to the system
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Looks like there was a sheer panic rippling through the defence at times. Clearly there is an organisational issue when under pressure.
comment by Brain (U18701)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 2 hours, 32 minutes ago
I take it that goal was due to the system
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Looks like there was a sheer panic rippling through the defence at times. Clearly there is an organisational issue when under pressure.
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Yeah so a calm head like VVD will help with that.
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Brain (U18701)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 2 hours, 32 minutes ago
I take it that goal was due to the system
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Looks like there was a sheer panic rippling through the defence at times. Clearly there is an organisational issue when under pressure.
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Yeah so a calm head like VVD will help with that.
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As I've said, he probably will help a bit
comment by Brain (U18701)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Brain (U18701)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 2 hours, 32 minutes ago
I take it that goal was due to the system
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Looks like there was a sheer panic rippling through the defence at times. Clearly there is an organisational issue when under pressure.
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Yeah so a calm head like VVD will help with that.
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As I've said, he probably will help a bit
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However the way the players choose to react in certain situations can be hugely improved by proper defensive coaching and organisation.
This could be longer than the Sahin thread
Im unclear as to these reactions? He had a good game against a blunt everton attack. He was guilty of poor positioning which led to the goal, and Matip certainly didnt seem to benefit from this alleged organisation. I think you would need to see a little more of him before you can draw any real conclusions. Pretty good debut though.
comment by Brain (U18701)
posted 27 minutes ago
Im unclear as to these reactions? He had a good game against a blunt everton attack. He was guilty of poor positioning which led to the goal, and Matip certainly didnt seem to benefit from this alleged organisation. I think you would need to see a little more of him before you can draw any real conclusions. Pretty good debut though.
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Poor positioning? He was up for a corner in the opposite box when Everton countered and scored
His organisation was excellent the way he was shouting at others and telling them where to go. I was shocked he was doing that in his first game.
You need to have a lie down.
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posted on 29/12/17
comment by Brain (U18701)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Brain (U18701)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by selbstgerechtein (U7048)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by Brain (U18701)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by KLS. (U1695)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Brain (U18701)
posted 59 minutes ago
comment by KLS. (U1695)
posted 37 minutes ago
It’s not that you maybe wrong, you just are wrong!
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Quite the opposite, as until he's played, nothing can be shown as fact. As such, your suggestion that you can speak definitely is incorrect and unsupported, so literally speaking, it is currently you who is wrong.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No, you are wrong because you can’t provide any argument as to why our system is so good defensively, best home defence in the country.
You are providing an opinion which is wrong!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Also, if you want to use only statistics to support your claim, you cannot definitely say the defence is the best home defence in the country until everyone has played everyone at home, otherwise you are not comparing like for like, and so the comparison doesn't hold water.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You can say it’s the best to date, which it is.
You haven’t been able to offer any explanation at all as to why a flawed system would work so well at home.
All you can offer is a failure to discredit the evidence.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'd say that if the system wasnt flawed, it would work better away from home.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We have made a lot of individual mistakes away from home that cannot be blamed on the system. Look at the Watford and Spurs games for perfect examples.
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Players can make mistakes for a multitude of reasons, and one of those can be that they feel the cumulative effects of a system which they have to work exceptionally hard within to keep the team afloat. Eventually something gives. Or as you say, sometimes players are just bad.
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The mistakes in the two given games can't really be blamed on that, they were just stupid mistakes. The penalty given away against Everton as well, although soft, was needless.
posted on 29/12/17
comment by Brain (U18701)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by selbstgerechtein (U7048)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by Brain (U18701)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by KLS. (U1695)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Brain (U18701)
posted 59 minutes ago
comment by KLS. (U1695)
posted 37 minutes ago
It’s not that you maybe wrong, you just are wrong!
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Quite the opposite, as until he's played, nothing can be shown as fact. As such, your suggestion that you can speak definitely is incorrect and unsupported, so literally speaking, it is currently you who is wrong.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No, you are wrong because you can’t provide any argument as to why our system is so good defensively, best home defence in the country.
You are providing an opinion which is wrong!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Also, if you want to use only statistics to support your claim, you cannot definitely say the defence is the best home defence in the country until everyone has played everyone at home, otherwise you are not comparing like for like, and so the comparison doesn't hold water.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You can say it’s the best to date, which it is.
You haven’t been able to offer any explanation at all as to why a flawed system would work so well at home.
All you can offer is a failure to discredit the evidence.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'd say that if the system wasnt flawed, it would work better away from home.
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So every team with discrepancies between Home and away form has a flawed system?
posted on 29/12/17
comment by Brain (U18701)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by selbstgerechtein (U7048)
posted 2 minutes ago
Certainly or speculatively?
Saints have had about 4 different managers between Lovren and VVD.
If they have all played the same way then I would be shocked.
You are on the ropes and are reaching, to be honest.
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It doesn't sound to me like you know the answer, so you aren't really in a position to offer comment.
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Watched a lot of Southampton in the recent years have you?
posted on 29/12/17
You can’t argue with an idiot, they’ll always think they’re right.
posted on 29/12/17
Brain Fart would be more an apt username I feel.
posted on 29/12/17
I don't think the OP has thought this through.
We keep the ball a significant amount of time in a game, so we are far from gung ho and exposing the defence.
Many of the goals we have conceded have come through basic errors, or even idiotic errors. See Moreno giving away pens and stupid fouls or Lovren doing something stupid in the box or getting caught under a ball.
When we are relinquishing the ball it is because we are a goal or two to the good and waiting to play on the counter.
The defence is far from exposed then, but still relies on the ball being defended and recycled quickly. Both things Van Dyke will do, without the aforementioned mistakes.
Van Dyke will improve us, significantly so.
OP is wrong.
posted on 30/12/17
Too many responses to keep up with, so I'll just bookend this with the point that in a few months it will be clear how much of an impact vvd will have made. I think it will be an improvement, but not massive, and most of you think he will have a huge impact. We will see.
posted on 30/12/17
comment by KLS. (U1695)
posted 44 minutes ago
You can’t argue with an idiot, they’ll always think they’re right.
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Ironic
posted on 30/12/17
comment by Brain (U18701)
posted 1 hour, 45 minutes ago
Too many responses to keep up with, so I'll just bookend this with the point that in a few months it will be clear how much of an impact vvd will have made. I think it will be an improvement, but not massive, and most of you think he will have a huge impact. We will see.
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He is signing for years not months, so no it won’t.
posted on 30/12/17
Measuring his impact after a few months or even a year is infinitely more possible than if he hasn't played for the club. Do you not think you will see if he improves the team in the first 6 months or first year? Will you only judge this on how he has done over 4 years, and no reasonable view can be taken before then? If he becomes as good as some of you hope, he may well have left for a bigger club by then, and he has shown he will virtually stop playing if he wants a move.
posted on 30/12/17
So now it’s gone from a few months to 6 months to a year.
You move goalposts more than a PE teacher.
posted on 30/12/17
Brain has engaged his envy and is coming out with:
- "if he's as good as expected, he'll go on strike and move to a bigger club."
While hoping he doesn't turn out so good for Liverpool.
posted on 30/12/17
I take it that goal was due to the system
posted on 30/12/17
comment by selbstgerechtein (U7048)
posted 9 hours, 48 minutes ago
So now it’s gone from a few months to 6 months to a year.
You move goalposts more than a PE teacher.
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I was merely suggesting that your suggested 4 years is a rather long period of time to elapse before you can evaluate his progress, which it is. My suggestion of a year was simply a compromise term.
posted on 30/12/17
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 6 hours, 29 minutes ago
Brain has engaged his envy and is coming out with:
- "if he's as good as expected, he'll go on strike and move to a bigger club."
While hoping he doesn't turn out so good for Liverpool.
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I have consistently said that I hope he does well, so it’s unclear how you can arrive at that conclusion. I think it's because you are unable to separate emotion from objectivity.
posted on 30/12/17
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 2 hours, 32 minutes ago
I take it that goal was due to the system
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Looks like there was a sheer panic rippling through the defence at times. Clearly there is an organisational issue when under pressure.
posted on 30/12/17
comment by Brain (U18701)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 2 hours, 32 minutes ago
I take it that goal was due to the system
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Looks like there was a sheer panic rippling through the defence at times. Clearly there is an organisational issue when under pressure.
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Yeah so a calm head like VVD will help with that.
posted on 30/12/17
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Brain (U18701)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 2 hours, 32 minutes ago
I take it that goal was due to the system
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Looks like there was a sheer panic rippling through the defence at times. Clearly there is an organisational issue when under pressure.
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Yeah so a calm head like VVD will help with that.
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As I've said, he probably will help a bit
posted on 30/12/17
comment by Brain (U18701)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Brain (U18701)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 2 hours, 32 minutes ago
I take it that goal was due to the system
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Looks like there was a sheer panic rippling through the defence at times. Clearly there is an organisational issue when under pressure.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah so a calm head like VVD will help with that.
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As I've said, he probably will help a bit
----------------------------------------------------------------------
However the way the players choose to react in certain situations can be hugely improved by proper defensive coaching and organisation.
posted on 5/1/18
posted on 5/1/18
posted on 5/1/18
This could be longer than the Sahin thread
posted on 6/1/18
posted on 10/1/18
Im unclear as to these reactions? He had a good game against a blunt everton attack. He was guilty of poor positioning which led to the goal, and Matip certainly didnt seem to benefit from this alleged organisation. I think you would need to see a little more of him before you can draw any real conclusions. Pretty good debut though.
posted on 10/1/18
comment by Brain (U18701)
posted 27 minutes ago
Im unclear as to these reactions? He had a good game against a blunt everton attack. He was guilty of poor positioning which led to the goal, and Matip certainly didnt seem to benefit from this alleged organisation. I think you would need to see a little more of him before you can draw any real conclusions. Pretty good debut though.
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Poor positioning? He was up for a corner in the opposite box when Everton countered and scored
His organisation was excellent the way he was shouting at others and telling them where to go. I was shocked he was doing that in his first game.
You need to have a lie down.
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