Jose is a big name. Pulls in the punters.
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yet most of us punters with ST were pulling our hair out and plenty of empty seats in the ground were noticable.

comment by I'll be The Judge of that! (U21434)
posted 1 minute ago
But Ed hoped he could and was right to do so. Why else would we have appointed him?

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Ed is an utter buffoon too?
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This

You don't think a UEFA cup, league cup 2nd place finish and FA Cup final doesn't constitute 2 succesful seasons?
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as I said you didn't pay to watch it. Its not just about winning cups.

comment by I'll be The Judge of that! (U21434)

posted 1 minute ago

Jose is a big name. Pulls in the punters.
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yet most of us punters with ST were pulling our hair out and plenty of empty seats in the ground were noticable.
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Not those punters. Those care about the game. I'm talking about those that help make money. Ed's mates.

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 minutes ago
Hope isn't the right reason for anyone to be appointing a mamanger of Manchester United.

I am sure Ed hoped Moyes would bring us glory.

Evidence was always against Jose.
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Ridiculpus. The prime season Jose gets jobs is he wins major trophies.

comment by Dibble (U22051)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by I'll be The Judge of that! (U21434)
posted 9 seconds ago
I disagree. He had 2 good seasons out of 2.5 in the role.
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You obviously didn't pay to watch it. It was awful. He started ok though.
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You don't think a UEFA cup, league cup 2nd place finish and FA Cup final doesn't constitute 2 succesful seasons?
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Finishing second and losing the FA cup final wasn't successful.

The way we won the league cup and the Europey was a sign of the god awful football we would see under Jose.

Obviously winning those was a success. A minor one mind.

Was ed right ?

He's got nearly every football related decision wrong post fergie

comment by I'll be The Judge of that! (U21434)
posted 32 seconds ago
You don't think a UEFA cup, league cup 2nd place finish and FA Cup final doesn't constitute 2 succesful seasons?
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as I said you didn't pay to watch it. Its not just about winning cups.
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No but no many win trophies playing great football. Whilst the football wasn't what we wanted, it was effective.

comment by Dibble (U22051)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 minutes ago
Hope isn't the right reason for anyone to be appointing a mamanger of Manchester United.

I am sure Ed hoped Moyes would bring us glory.

Evidence was always against Jose.
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Ridiculpus. The prime season Jose gets jobs is he wins major trophies.
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He didn't with us.

comment by Dibble (U22051)

posted 5 minutes ago

comment by I'll be The Judge of that! (U21434)
posted 9 seconds ago
I disagree. He had 2 good seasons out of 2.5 in the role.
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You obviously didn't pay to watch it. It was awful. He started ok though.
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You don't think a UEFA cup, league cup 2nd place finish and FA Cup final doesn't constitute 2 succesful seasons?
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Second and winning tin pot cups? Biggest failure in the last 6 years.

If we aren't winning the league and/or the CL, it's a failure. No matter how you want to paint it Dibble.

Jose failed to meet his targets - win the league and CL.

I reckon more sponsors will be interested in United playing the united way under Ole than the durge served up under Jose. Man United are bigger than both and that is what they sponsor not the manager.

Whilst the football wasn't what we wanted, it was effective.

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If was only effective to win two minor trophies in his first season. We saw how ineffective it was last season and this.

comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
posted 53 minutes ago
comment by Dibble (U22051)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 3 minutes ago
Agreed. Surely the majority of fans would have taken a 3rd season meltdown in exchange for a title or major trophy.

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Not true fans of the club.

The glory hunters who have no connection to the club or who understand it's traditions and values of the club.

We have an example of one of this type of fan on here.
People often question if he really is a United fan.
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How nice of you to speak for others.
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VC, a guy who has never been to OT and lives in the US spending his days insulting united supporters questioning other fans credentials

You couldn’t make it up.
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Tbf don't you question fellow United fans credentials when they refuse to defend your shettest players as passionately as you do ?

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Dibble (U22051)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 minutes ago
Hope isn't the right reason for anyone to be appointing a mamanger of Manchester United.

I am sure Ed hoped Moyes would bring us glory.

Evidence was always against Jose.
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Ridiculpus. The prime season Jose gets jobs is he wins major trophies.
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He didn't with us.

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But Ed wasn't foolish for thinking he might do2.5 years ago.

comment by DL11 (U21614)
posted 1 second ago
comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
posted 53 minutes ago
comment by Dibble (U22051)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 3 minutes ago
Agreed. Surely the majority of fans would have taken a 3rd season meltdown in exchange for a title or major trophy.

....

Not true fans of the club.

The glory hunters who have no connection to the club or who understand it's traditions and values of the club.

We have an example of one of this type of fan on here.
People often question if he really is a United fan.
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How nice of you to speak for others.
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VC, a guy who has never been to OT and lives in the US spending his days insulting united supporters questioning other fans credentials

You couldn’t make it up.
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Tbf don't you question fellow United fans credentials when they refuse to defend your shettest players as passionately as you do ?
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Indeed. But I actually debate with people. VC just has page after page after page of insults

He’s the ultimate internet hard man. Would never ever repeat what he says on here in real life

comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Dibble (U22051)

posted 5 minutes ago

comment by I'll be The Judge of that! (U21434)
posted 9 seconds ago
I disagree. He had 2 good seasons out of 2.5 in the role.
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You obviously didn't pay to watch it. It was awful. He started ok though.
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You don't think a UEFA cup, league cup 2nd place finish and FA Cup final doesn't constitute 2 succesful seasons?
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Second and winning tin pot cups? Biggest failure in the last 6 years.

If we aren't winning the league and/or the CL, it's a failure. No matter how you want to paint it Dibble.

Jose failed to meet his targets - win the league and CL.
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Wow. Its not 95-2005 anymore dude.

And were they is targets?

VC isn't real, Robb. It's just your Imagination. You need help.

comment by Dibble (U22051)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Dibble (U22051)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 minutes ago
Hope isn't the right reason for anyone to be appointing a mamanger of Manchester United.

I am sure Ed hoped Moyes would bring us glory.

Evidence was always against Jose.
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Ridiculpus. The prime season Jose gets jobs is he wins major trophies.
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He didn't with us.

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But Ed wasn't foolish for thinking he might do2.5 years ago.
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Apparently he was.

comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
posted 10 minutes ago

After two seasons he was certainly not a bad appointment

But even as his second biggest fan on here I can admit it ended badly so ultimately he wasn’t a good appointment. Very few managers end the job as well as they start it so he’s not alone.
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Thing is, Robb -if I remember rightly, that is- that you initially accepted the notion that Mourinho being given 2 years to win the title, but you later changed your expectations.

Personally, I think you got carried away in your defence of him.

On the one hand, even the first two seasons flattered to deceive: the football had never really been that good for any sustained period; by the end of the period it already looked as if the progress had stagnated; and finally, second or no second, you didn't really come close to the title.

On the other, up to that point, Mourinho had never, ever had a better third season at any club than his second - the opposite, in fact, was true. His third seasons, wherever he'd got one, had just got worse and worse.

What I think you must admit was utterly stupid now (even if you defended it at the time, which I don't recall) was the decision to extend his contract.

All I can imagine is that there must have been some kind of provision written into the previous deal that automatially triggered an extension. It would probably explain why they didn't fully back him in his final summer, too.

comment by Dibble (U22051)

posted 5 minutes ago

comment by I'll be The Judge of that! (U21434)
posted 9 seconds ago
I disagree. He had 2 good seasons out of 2.5 in the role.
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You obviously didn't pay to watch it. It was awful. He started ok though.
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You don't think a UEFA cup, league cup 2nd place finish and FA Cup final doesn't constitute 2 succesful seasons?
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Second and winning tin pot cups? Biggest failure in the last 6 years.

If we aren't winning the league and/or the CL, it's a failure. No matter how you want to paint it Dibble.

Jose failed to meet his targets - win the league and CL.
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Wow. Its not 95-2005 anymore dude.

And were they is targets?
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Yes.

comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
posted 10 minutes ago

After two seasons he was certainly not a bad appointment

But even as his second biggest fan on here I can admit it ended badly so ultimately he wasn’t a good appointment. Very few managers end the job as well as they start it so he’s not alone.
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Thing is, Robb -if I remember rightly, that is- that you initially accepted the notion that Mourinho being given 2 years to win the title, but you later changed your expectations.

Personally, I think you got carried away in your defence of him.

On the one hand, even the first two seasons flattered to deceive: the football had never really been that good for any sustained period; by the end of the period it already looked as if the progress had stagnated; and finally, second or no second, you didn't really come close to the title.

On the other, up to that point, Mourinho had never, ever had a better third season at any club than his second - the opposite, in fact, was true. His third seasons, wherever he'd got one, had just got worse and worse.

What I think you must admit was utterly stupid now (even if you defended it at the time, which I don't recall) was the decision to extend his contract.

All I can imagine is that there must have been some kind of provision written into the previous deal that automatially triggered an extension. It would probably explain why they didn't fully back him in his final summer, too.
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I think he would have won the title in his second season if City weren’t so insanely good. I doubt anyone could have seen a 100 point season coming.

As for extending his contract - it wouldn’t have been stupid if the club had seen it all the way through. By reigning in his spending then it was always going to end in disaster.

Poor old Robb. He still can't get over me winning the bet and him having to be called Nobb for a year.

The bet welching little filter queen.

No one can claim that they can debate with people when they reach for the filter button when they lose.

For those that think appointing Jose was a mistake, who should we have gone for instead?

Giggs
Alegri
Carlo Ancelotti
Ole

comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 21 seconds ago
Giggs
Alegri
Carlo Ancelotti
Ole
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Giggs- Blimey. I hope you are joking.
Alegri - And what if he said no?
Ancelotti - No thanks.
Ole - Doing OK in a no lose environment but a far bigger risk than Jose at that time. Especially after Moyes and LVG