comment by Wahl Icht - (U22332)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour, 24 minutes ago
Let’s go back to the year 2000. By the sounds of it even you would say that United were the biggest club in the country then.

Were Liverpool not a big club then? They didn’t have the best manager, best team or masses of recent success?

The answer is yes Liverpool were then and are now a very, very big club. Just like United now.
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They were much smaller than United at that point. But still bigger than average.
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Yes the gap was larger but they were still second, not Arsenal who by your criteria should be second: better players, manager and more recent success.

Your points are not stacking up, you can admit it now.

Arsenal were second.

/facepalm

What?

comment by Fourzah (U22366)
posted 4 hours, 34 minutes ago
Big clubs are big through tradition

Over the past 5 years for example, Napoli have been significantly 'better' than Milan. But Milan are still considered a bigger club and most players would chose 2 sign 4 Milan ahead of Napoli.

If you ask people what the biggest teams in Italy are, most would mention Milan, most would not mention Napoli.
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Don't know about that currently. I'd say most players would rather sign for Napoli than Milan. Yes players look at history but the here and now plays a bigger part. For example of Chelsea finish fourth, players would rather sign for them, over United, despite United being the biggest club in the country.

But yes, as has already been mentioned, Wahl's football knowledge is very limited and great influenced by the here and now, when biggest clubs in most part is to do with history. By his own logic, Liverpool should be first however, European and World champions and league about to be wrapped up.

That of course is not how it works. United went into the 90s as a massive club, probably even second behind Liverpool but what they did in the next 20 years put them ahead as the biggest club. The gap is closing but history plays a massive part and therefore they're top of the board, when taking other factors into account.

You can’t just say “biggest club in most part is to do with history”. Why? Where’s this rule book that defines how to judge how big a club is?

United went into the 90s as a massive club, probably even second behind Liverpool
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For me the ethos and aura of a club has nothing to do with how many wallys latch onto them hoping for some reflected glory

comment by ♫♪ Gini Mini Mane Mo, Keita, Milner, Firmino ♪♫ (U19365)
posted 54 minutes ago
comment by Wahl Icht - (U22332)
posted 20 hours, 27 minutes ago
Wow. OK, I'll filter you then if you're gonna be like that.
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Can you please filter me as well you fuсking idiot.
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Sure

comment by RB&W "PPE for NHS heroes" (U21434)
posted 2 hours, 32 minutes ago
United went into the 90s as a massive club, probably even second behind Liverpool
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Come on, United had half the major trophies Liverpool had going into the 90s. Liverpool had won four European Cups to United's one, in the 60s.

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Yes the gap was larger but they were still second, not Arsenal who by your criteria should be second: better players, manager and more recent success.
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Lol - Arsenal were the 2nd biggest club in the PL in the early 00s. Easily.

I still have them 2nd now, but only narrowly ahead of CFC, LFC & City.

comment by #LiquidGenius (U20571)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
Yes the gap was larger but they were still second, not Arsenal who by your criteria should be second: better players, manager and more recent success.
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Lol - Arsenal were the 2nd biggest club in the PL in the early 00s. Easily.

I still have them 2nd now, but only narrowly ahead of CFC, LFC & City.
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Yeh but you're a nutcase.

before WWII Sunderland were considered one of the big 3 clubs in English football

and WWII is aprox half way in the history of the English Football League

Come on, United had half the major trophies Liverpool had going into the 90s. Liverpool had won four European Cups to United's one, in the 60s.
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No body outside the UK had heard of Liverpool FC until the Mid 1970s. Your history at the top table of football is that short.

Man United, Real Madrid, Barcelona, B. Munich, Milans

Bar the rest.

As even Bill Shankly said to the Liverpool owners when they asked him if he would like to manage the best club in the country (meaning LFC), Shanks replied, without hesitation, "Why Is Matt Busby packing it in?"

Why you scousers persist with your rewriting history nonsense, is pathetic.

comment by peks..#masks4all (U6618)
posted 32 minutes ago
before WWII Sunderland were considered one of the big 3 clubs in English football

and WWII is aprox half way in the history of the English Football League
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To be fair Portsmouth were winning titles back then

If you want an order based on who had the most titles all time in order then this is it

Preston 2 1890
Sunderland 3 1895
Aston Villa 4 1899
Arsenal 7 1953
Liverpool 9 1976
Man Utd 19 2011

So Villa have spent the most time as the club with THE most titles surprisingly

comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 0 seconds ago
If you want an order based on who had the most titles all time in order then this is it

Preston 2 1890
Sunderland 3 1895
Aston Villa 4 1899
Arsenal 7 1953
Liverpool 9 1976
Man Utd 19 2011

So Villa have spent the most time as the club with THE most titles surprisingly
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No doubt some won't grasp this so Villa won a fourth then were first to win a 5th and 6th but Arsenal were first to win a 7th etc.

Can I ask one simple question. What does anything pre 2000 realistically have to do with who is the biggest club in 2020?

comment by RB&W "PPE for NHS heroes" (U21434)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
Come on, United had half the major trophies Liverpool had going into the 90s. Liverpool had won four European Cups to United's one, in the 60s.
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No body outside the UK had heard of Liverpool FC until the Mid 1970s. Your history at the top table of football is that short.

Man United, Real Madrid, Barcelona, B. Munich, Milans

Bar the rest.

As even Bill Shankly said to the Liverpool owners when they asked him if he would like to manage the best club in the country (meaning LFC), Shanks replied, without hesitation, "Why Is Matt Busby packing it in?"

Why you scousers persist with your rewriting history nonsense, is pathetic.
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Yeah I'm not taking about the 70s. I'm taking about before United success in the 90s.

As I said, half the trophies and one European Cup to Liverpool's four. Everybody knew about Liverpool all over Europe going into the 90s considering they were the most successful club in the country and won the EC four times.

I'm afraid it's you trying to rewrite history.

Yeah I'm not taking about the 70s. I'm taking about before United success in the 90s.
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But that included the 70s... and the 60s... and the 50s when United dominated under Sir Matt and again were the biggest Club out of England,.... Wolves were probably second. This was when LFC were a bno mark 2nd Division team which had won diddly squat.

I said no one abroad had heard of you until the mid 70s. Yes you started winning stuff then, but STILL United were always the biggest Club in the land. You know this though, don't you.

You ain't got a clue what you are fecking talking about, have you?