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posted on 9/9/22

It's an interesting, I wouldn't call it strange, social phenomenon. Media exaggeration is also nothing new. I agree that very few people are actually grieving.

What could also be described as interesting is the response to the response? Just look at some of the comments/articles made on the day of her death or today.

I think when you think about it, it's not really strange at all.

posted on 9/9/22

It's an embarrassment

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 9/9/22

It depends how you define morning. They are levels to it for me. I'm not going to shed a tear for someone that I didn't know. At the same time, I am a little sad. I don't know anyone who has expressed anything other than sadness at her passing. Sure, the media will overplay it. But on the whole, I'd say we are a county in mourning, albeit it at different levels.

posted on 9/9/22

I agree RR, spot on as you often are.

Nothing embarrassing about it two balls

posted on 9/9/22

comment by Sadiq Khan (world class mayor) - #JC4PM (U18243)
posted 45 seconds ago
It's an interesting, I wouldn't call it strange, social phenomenon. Media exaggeration is also nothing new. I agree that very few people are actually grieving.

What could also be described as interesting is the response to the response? Just look at some of the comments/articles made on the day of her death or today.

I think when you think about it, it's not really strange at all.
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I guess 'strange' is subjective. For me it's deeply weird the way media outlets drop what objectivity they may usually possess and switch to a sort of ceremonial voice. For people who have lived in authoritarian states / under a cult of personality, I suppose this would feel familiar rather than strange. I know it's not a uniquely British phenomenon, though the way it intersects with the monarchy is.

posted on 9/9/22

comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
It depends how you define morning. They are levels to it for me. I'm not going to shed a tear for someone that I didn't know. At the same time, I am a little sad. I don't know anyone who has expressed anything other than sadness at her passing. Sure, the media will overplay it. But on the whole, I'd say we are a county in mourning, albeit it at different levels.
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I've encountered many people who have no emotional reaction at all.

posted on 9/9/22

comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 46 seconds ago
It depends how you define morning. They are levels to it for me. I'm not going to shed a tear for someone that I didn't know. At the same time, I am a little sad. I don't know anyone who has expressed anything other than sadness at her passing. Sure, the media will overplay it. But on the whole, I'd say we are a county in mourning, albeit it at different levels.
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Yeah that’s a good way to put it. When driving into work today and I saw the first big screen with her photo on it it saddened me a little bit. It’s not greatly affecting me or my life but the phrase ‘a country in mourning’ is really inaccurate and the spamming, hyperbole is absolutely to be expected after 70 years of service

posted on 9/9/22

I’d never really given it much thought until now but I’ve heard some incredible stories about her today, just in the House of Commons a while ago Boris Johnson was telling a story about how she used to drive her Range Rover across her balmoral estate all by herself, he also claimed she used Tupperware and a single bar electric fire

I wonder if many more revelations will come out in the next week or so

posted on 9/9/22

comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 25 seconds ago
I agree RR, spot on as you often are.

Nothing embarrassing about it two balls
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It's just very annoying. The choice of whether her death is going to effect your life or not is being removed, you can't escape the coverage, hopefully the hysteria calms down soon.

She had a great, long life, nothing to mourn really, a small piece about it would be fine not every actual important issue being sidelined for who knows how long

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 9/9/22

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
It depends how you define morning. They are levels to it for me. I'm not going to shed a tear for someone that I didn't know. At the same time, I am a little sad. I don't know anyone who has expressed anything other than sadness at her passing. Sure, the media will overplay it. But on the whole, I'd say we are a county in mourning, albeit it at different levels.
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I've encountered many people who have no emotional reaction at all.
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What I mean is, I don't know anyone who has said anything bad about her or who is happy she has passed. They are either a bit sad or, as you say, not bothered either way. The press definitely overplay it though.

posted on 9/9/22

Good article. I'm sure there are some who are genuinely sad, but I imagine that's a small minority.

Seems bizarre to impose this mourning on a general public who mostly just want to get on with their life.

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 9/9/22

comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 25 seconds ago
I agree RR, spot on as you often are.

Nothing embarrassing about it two balls
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It's just very annoying. The choice of whether her death is going to effect your life or not is being removed, you can't escape the coverage, hopefully the hysteria calms down soon.

She had a great, long life, nothing to mourn really, a small piece about it would be fine not every actual important issue being sidelined for who knows how long
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Very annoying? Just don't read the articles or watch the TV. Its a big world out there - plenty to do to avoid it if it really bothers you.

posted on 9/9/22

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Sadiq Khan (world class mayor) - #JC4PM (U18243)
posted 45 seconds ago
It's an interesting, I wouldn't call it strange, social phenomenon. Media exaggeration is also nothing new. I agree that very few people are actually grieving.

What could also be described as interesting is the response to the response? Just look at some of the comments/articles made on the day of her death or today.

I think when you think about it, it's not really strange at all.
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I guess 'strange' is subjective. For me it's deeply weird the way media outlets drop what objectivity they may usually possess and switch to a sort of ceremonial voice. For people who have lived in authoritarian states / under a cult of personality, I suppose this would feel familiar rather than strange. I know it's not a uniquely British phenomenon, though the way it intersects with the monarchy is.
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It sells mate. Plus the people at the top aren’t going to sanction anything different and they all have to follow suit or they’ll lose clicks.

If England (mens) won the World Cup, the same could be said. It’s 11 men playing a ball game and winning yet the nation would be a nation United in mass celebration etc etc yet most people would be slightly happy and many not bothered in the slightest.

It’s just a big event imo mate.

posted on 9/9/22

comment by King of the Gil (U7905)
posted 1 second ago
Good article. I'm sure there are some who are genuinely sad, but I imagine that's a small minority.

Seems bizarre to impose this mourning on a general public who mostly just want to get on with their life.
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The first game of our 11 a side season tomorrow has been cancelled. I really don’t understand the rational for why. It’s an amateur league, and none of the players across the four divisions that we have were consulted. It’s just not clear why we can’t play a football match for 90 minutes on a Saturday afternoon. So I agree both with the OP & your second paragraph.

posted on 9/9/22

Also highlights how important the PL is to some people despite the fact that it ultimately doesn’t matter at all in the grand scheme.

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 9/9/22

comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by King of the Gil (U7905)
posted 1 second ago
Good article. I'm sure there are some who are genuinely sad, but I imagine that's a small minority.

Seems bizarre to impose this mourning on a general public who mostly just want to get on with their life.
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The first game of our 11 a side season tomorrow has been cancelled. I really don’t understand the rational for why. It’s an amateur league, and none of the players across the four divisions that we have were consulted. It’s just not clear why we can’t play a football match for 90 minutes on a Saturday afternoon. So I agree both with the OP & your second paragraph.

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Yeh there is no need to cancel down to grass roots level for me.

posted on 9/9/22

It could be argued that why would you grieve for someone you never knew or met? But what if someone like Fergie died? David Attenborough? There would be lots of people grieving. These people made a massive impact on our lives and lots would grieve. I'm not sure the Queen made a massive impact on that many people through what she did in life. I'd be more sad about a homeless person I had talked to once dying than the Queen dying.

posted on 9/9/22

comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by King of the Gil (U7905)
posted 1 second ago
Good article. I'm sure there are some who are genuinely sad, but I imagine that's a small minority.

Seems bizarre to impose this mourning on a general public who mostly just want to get on with their life.
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The first game of our 11 a side season tomorrow has been cancelled. I really don’t understand the rational for why. It’s an amateur league, and none of the players across the four divisions that we have were consulted. It’s just not clear why we can’t play a football match for 90 minutes on a Saturday afternoon. So I agree both with the OP & your second paragraph.

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Yeh there is no need to cancel down to grass roots level for me.
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I wouldn't cancel any of them tbh. Life goes on, pay respects a miunute's silence or something more special if you like but life does go on.

posted on 9/9/22

comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by King of the Gil (U7905)
posted 1 second ago
Good article. I'm sure there are some who are genuinely sad, but I imagine that's a small minority.

Seems bizarre to impose this mourning on a general public who mostly just want to get on with their life.
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The first game of our 11 a side season tomorrow has been cancelled. I really don’t understand the rational for why. It’s an amateur league, and none of the players across the four divisions that we have were consulted. It’s just not clear why we can’t play a football match for 90 minutes on a Saturday afternoon. So I agree both with the OP & your second paragraph.

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Yeh there is no need to cancel down to grass roots level for me.
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Frankly I don’t see the value in cancelling any sport this weekend - surly if anything there’s an argument that brining people together around a shared interest would be a perfect opportune moment to pay respects etc.

At the end of the day, a 96 yr old lady has died… The show must go on and it’s pretty frustrating to have our games called off - games we’ve been looking forward to playing. I find it all quite ridiculous.

posted on 9/9/22

A 96 year old died. So what? We all die eventually, and having lived that long it can barely be a surprise, much less a tragedy.

She died on a comfortable bed, in one of her many homes. Warm, well fed and receiving the best medical care possible. Having spent her entire life in pampered luxury, with a "job" that consisted of wandering from place to place to be fed and shown things.

I'll save my sadness for those people that died too young. Or died from neglect, or cold or hunger. Who died in squalid conditions, without ever getting a proper chance.

In the meantime I'd be delighted if someone could share with me all the wonderful things she's supposed to have done over her reign. Because I can't think of a damn thing. Unless popping out the odd pedophile counts?

posted on 9/9/22

comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by King of the Gil (U7905)
posted 1 second ago
Good article. I'm sure there are some who are genuinely sad, but I imagine that's a small minority.

Seems bizarre to impose this mourning on a general public who mostly just want to get on with their life.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

The first game of our 11 a side season tomorrow has been cancelled. I really don’t understand the rational for why. It’s an amateur league, and none of the players across the four divisions that we have were consulted. It’s just not clear why we can’t play a football match for 90 minutes on a Saturday afternoon. So I agree both with the OP & your second paragraph.

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Yeh there is no need to cancel down to grass roots level for me.
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Bloody FA. The kids, who lets be honest don't give two hoots are the ones missing out.

posted on 9/9/22

comment by Fifty Years of Hurt (U12953)
posted 10 seconds ago
A 96 year old died. So what? We all die eventually, and having lived that long it can barely be a surprise, much less a tragedy.

She died on a comfortable bed, in one of her many homes. Warm, well fed and receiving the best medical care possible. Having spent her entire life in pampered luxury, with a "job" that consisted of wandering from place to place to be fed and shown things.

I'll save my sadness for those people that died too young. Or died from neglect, or cold or hunger. Who died in squalid conditions, without ever getting a proper chance.

In the meantime I'd be delighted if someone could share with me all the wonderful things she's supposed to have done over her reign. Because I can't think of a damn thing. Unless popping out the odd pedophile counts?
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Try Googling it and reading an article or two ffs

posted on 9/9/22

comment by Fifty Years of Hurt (U12953)
posted 54 seconds ago
A 96 year old died. So what? We all die eventually, and having lived that long it can barely be a surprise, much less a tragedy.

She died on a comfortable bed, in one of her many homes. Warm, well fed and receiving the best medical care possible. Having spent her entire life in pampered luxury, with a "job" that consisted of wandering from place to place to be fed and shown things.

I'll save my sadness for those people that died too young. Or died from neglect, or cold or hunger. Who died in squalid conditions, without ever getting a proper chance.

In the meantime I'd be delighted if someone could share with me all the wonderful things she's supposed to have done over her reign. Because I can't think of a damn thing. Unless popping out the odd pedophile counts?
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She had no choice in her role.
She was to represent us on the world stage, the messages from around the world show she did it well.
Paedophile, sleeping with a seventeen year old? Half the blokes on the site are then, including me

posted on 9/9/22

I think people are taking things a little too literally, don’t you, OP?

Obviously most people aren’t actually mourning.

But it’s just a traditional approach to a head of states passing.

Arguably outdated, but still to be taken in the context intended.

posted on 9/9/22

comment by Zach Robinson (U1734)
posted 7 minutes ago
It could be argued that why would you grieve for someone you never knew or met? But what if someone like Fergie died? David Attenborough? There would be lots of people grieving. These people made a massive impact on our lives and lots would grieve. I'm not sure the Queen made a massive impact on that many people through what she did in life. I'd be more sad about a homeless person I had talked to once dying than the Queen dying.
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I've felt very affected by the deaths of some public figures. For instance, of musicians whose work brought me great joy. A deep and prolonged emotional response. But I've also lost a parent. Grief is different. The profound sorrow, the painful sense of loss, that I'm sure many people around the country are feeling is a real thing, but it ain't grief.

What was both 'strange' and 'interesting' in the wake of Diana's death was the public outpouring of sobbing on the part of huge numbers of people. I don't buy that they were grieving in the sense that a psychologist would define it. Which isn't to say it was affected. In many traditional cultures there is a practice of some kind of performative mourning, which can be very infectious. In Russian villages they would have women who specialised in wailing at funerals - they would be brought in for the job, not necessarily being acquainted with the deceased - and this 'artificial' practice would release genuine emotions in all the people present.

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