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posted 25 seconds ago
A TV interview sounds like the worst idea i've ever heard.
Remember Prince Andrew well it would be every bit as bad, Greenwood appears to be even less intelligent so it would be complete car crash TV.
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Greenwood's would have to be more of an apology and an explanation the effects of counselling are having with a huge dose of humility for it to be even half worth doing, I think it'd be how sincere he looked that might make it work (not sure even then).
Prince Andrew going on TV to announce he wasn't as noncey as we all thought actually was never going to work.
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He would have to explain the audio, why she then posted it? why the police got involved? how it took so long? how they got back together when he was banned from contacting her?
An absolute mine field for even an intelligent and articulate person to form and provide a cohesive story that leaves him in a good light or even just a more understanding light.
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You're absoutely correct. It'd have to be framed the right way and be a massive mea culpa, which I can't see happening anyway. He's finished with United, and the only people that seem to want him back are the overseas mob on twitter
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How would United know if the interview had worked or not?
How would they insist he don't unless he was to be reinstated?
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Market research.
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Exactly. It's a ridiculous suggestion. As if the club would let fans decide if he can stay on or not.
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Not what I said. As I suggested earlier, you clearly don't understand marketing or brand management
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This thread is brilliant
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Peak RDD
Good to see you've all been really productive today. Get a life whodummy.
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Will probably get dogs abuse for this but if he comes out and admits what he did and lists the steps he is taking to be a better person, I would forgive him and let him play for Utd again.
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He could do a TV interview with somedy sensible to explain things with either the truth or even his point of view. Although he doesnt actually have to explain himself to us or anybody in public for that matter. But he'd be foolish not to though, if he wants to start to put it behind him.
But if United, and Ten Hag decided that with all things considered it was ok for him to now return to the squad with a view to contributing on the pitch, then that's good enough for me. I dont think this will happen though.
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Indeed, there is potential redemption for him but he has to own up to what happened.
The club has to understand this and make sure this gets out accurately and also monitors his behaviour should there be a reoccurrence.
If he did that, I hope the manager would give him a chance.
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So you think that he comes out, admits he raped her/tried to rape her, apologises, and then everyone claps and is happy? What about the police? What about the CPS? Do they give him a little clap as well?
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The assault is what I am talking about. Not rape.
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The assault where he is trying to rape her?
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This thread is brilliant
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Peak RDD
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I didn't realise he'd changed his name agian. More fool me
I think one thing we are ALL agreed with is that the reply button function just has to go. It makes it very confusing to who said what last.
Admins. Over to you.
When people ask questions such as 'have you ever bought a product because x company sponsored x event/club', I find it painful.
Appreciate I work in the industry but fack me, it's not that difficult to understand the basics.
A good brand manager will have followed a process to get to a decision as to where they want their brand positioned, and sponsorship will be a part of that.
Absolutely, any sort of scandal like this is a factor in whether that sponsorship is still of value.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
When people ask questions such as 'have you ever bought a product because x company sponsored x event/club', I find it painful.
Appreciate I work in the industry but fack me, it's not that difficult to understand the basics.
A good brand manager will have followed a process to get to a decision as to where they want their brand positioned, and sponsorship will be a part of that.
Absolutely, any sort of scandal like this is a factor in whether that sponsorship is still of value.
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I worked in the industry myself. But even if I hadn't, you've got to be a special kind of special to question whether sponsorship actually sells product. For what other reason would a company sponsor a team or individual?
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comment by Winston (U16525)
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When people ask questions such as 'have you ever bought a product because x company sponsored x event/club', I find it painful.
Appreciate I work in the industry but fack me, it's not that difficult to understand the basics.
A good brand manager will have followed a process to get to a decision as to where they want their brand positioned, and sponsorship will be a part of that.
Absolutely, any sort of scandal like this is a factor in whether that sponsorship is still of value.
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I worked in the industry myself. But even if I hadn't, you've got to be a special kind of special to question whether sponsorship actually sells product. For what other reason would a company sponsor a team or individual?
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Indeed.
I’ve got a mate who actually works in the industry and still claims he’s not affected by branding.
Needless to say he has zero marketing qualifications.
Winston, I thought you were leaving the site after your bold and entirely real claim that chelsea would overturn Real Madrid last night ? Glad to see you’ve changed your mind…..
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Winston, I thought you were leaving the site after your bold and entirely real claim that chelsea would overturn Real Madrid last night ? Glad to see you’ve changed your mind…..
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Oh dear, Harambe at it again was he? I was out!
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Winston, I thought you were leaving the site after your bold and entirely real claim that chelsea would overturn Real Madrid last night ? Glad to see you’ve changed your mind…..
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Oh dear, Harambe at it again was he? I was out!
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He’s an odd one
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Elvis in this country you have to prove guilt not innocence. Being innocent isn't a charge
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Youre talking about a court of law. That's irrelevant now.
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So where else is there?
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Court of opinion. It is going to be hard for United to bring Mason back into the team unless the public opinion of him changes massively.
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Court of opinion. AKA vigilante. I'm sure he might get what's coming, one day
Anyway, as I said. I'm sure United will be very aware of this when they decide his future.
It all getting very silly now
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No I'm not talking about him getting battered by someone. What I am saying is that the general opinion of the public is that Mason is very bad person. And that makes it very difficult for United to bring him back into the first team, even without considering the potential financial implications. Unless Mason can do something to sway the publics opinion on him, I don't think he plays for United again.
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Most people don't give a toss either way.
Most United fans will accept
He is young and immature.
Their are things we don't know about what happened.
It was dropped following an investigation.
They are back together and expecting.
Nobody on here is willing to commit to not following United again should he return, so why do you think it would destroy the club?
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I didn't say that it will destroy the club. You've got me mistaken with someone else.
And I don't know a single United fan in real life that wants Mason back as things stand. To say that no-one gives a toss is the complete opposite of my experience. Some would be happy/ok with him coming back from these boards. Aside from that, the only people that want him back tend to be from Africa and post their opinions on social media.
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Some on here would be fine with it. That's the only measure we have.
How many fans do you know who have said they would boycott the club if he played again?
You have been very outspoken on this topic. Would you give up United if he played again?
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I don't think that the loss of fans is the main financial issue. Sponsorship and damage to reputation would be the biggest issue. Plenty of sponsors have dropped Mason. And we have had United sponsors stating that they are monitoring the situation. If Mason comes back there is going to be uproar from various women's domestic abuse groups and I'd expect the United women's team too. You seem to think that sponsors can just be replaced like that. But if they are replaced, it will be at a lower rate than the sponsor that they are replacing. The United commercial team has worked very hard and done a good job at finding those sponsorship deals and getting the best deals. A damaged reputation gives them less leverage when it comes to negotiating new deals with potential new sponsors.
There is a decision to be made as to whether the potential financial loss is worth more than Mason is. And that is without considering the club's reputation and moral standing.
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Why would sponsors have an issue, if the fans (their customers) didn't? All they want is their brand to be seen by the clubs TV audience / online following.
Would you honestly not buy Adidas products if United kept Greenwood?
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Sales drop when a brands reputation is damaged. I mean, it really is that simple. If you want to waste your time arguing against that then crack on. Maybe you should contact all the big companies out there and let them know that they are wasting millions on marketing and brand management, because, you know, people just don't care.
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Adidas brand wouldn't be damaged because 1 player at 1 club was alleged to have done something.
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Elvis in this country you have to prove guilt not innocence. Being innocent isn't a charge
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Youre talking about a court of law. That's irrelevant now.
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So where else is there?
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Court of opinion. It is going to be hard for United to bring Mason back into the team unless the public opinion of him changes massively.
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Court of opinion. AKA vigilante. I'm sure he might get what's coming, one day
Anyway, as I said. I'm sure United will be very aware of this when they decide his future.
It all getting very silly now
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No I'm not talking about him getting battered by someone. What I am saying is that the general opinion of the public is that Mason is very bad person. And that makes it very difficult for United to bring him back into the first team, even without considering the potential financial implications. Unless Mason can do something to sway the publics opinion on him, I don't think he plays for United again.
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Most people don't give a toss either way.
Most United fans will accept
He is young and immature.
Their are things we don't know about what happened.
It was dropped following an investigation.
They are back together and expecting.
Nobody on here is willing to commit to not following United again should he return, so why do you think it would destroy the club?
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I didn't say that it will destroy the club. You've got me mistaken with someone else.
And I don't know a single United fan in real life that wants Mason back as things stand. To say that no-one gives a toss is the complete opposite of my experience. Some would be happy/ok with him coming back from these boards. Aside from that, the only people that want him back tend to be from Africa and post their opinions on social media.
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Some on here would be fine with it. That's the only measure we have.
How many fans do you know who have said they would boycott the club if he played again?
You have been very outspoken on this topic. Would you give up United if he played again?
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I don't think that the loss of fans is the main financial issue. Sponsorship and damage to reputation would be the biggest issue. Plenty of sponsors have dropped Mason. And we have had United sponsors stating that they are monitoring the situation. If Mason comes back there is going to be uproar from various women's domestic abuse groups and I'd expect the United women's team too. You seem to think that sponsors can just be replaced like that. But if they are replaced, it will be at a lower rate than the sponsor that they are replacing. The United commercial team has worked very hard and done a good job at finding those sponsorship deals and getting the best deals. A damaged reputation gives them less leverage when it comes to negotiating new deals with potential new sponsors.
There is a decision to be made as to whether the potential financial loss is worth more than Mason is. And that is without considering the club's reputation and moral standing.
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Why would sponsors have an issue, if the fans (their customers) didn't? All they want is their brand to be seen by the clubs TV audience / online following.
Would you honestly not buy Adidas products if United kept Greenwood?
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Sales drop when a brands reputation is damaged. I mean, it really is that simple. If you want to waste your time arguing against that then crack on. Maybe you should contact all the big companies out there and let them know that they are wasting millions on marketing and brand management, because, you know, people just don't care.
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Serious question. Do you buy products BECAUSE of their affiliation with United, and would you stop if Greenwood played again?
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if people didnt then sponsors wouldnt exist !!!
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Answer my question.
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
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comment by Dave the Save (U22987)
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comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
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United chose to end the teamviewer shirt deal
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Wasn't it teamviewer that stopped the sponsorship deal
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No
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Manchester United has the option to buy back the rights to its shirt-front sponsorship from TeamViewer after the German software company said it would reduce its role with the Premier League team, according to Bloomberg.
It appears they could no longer afford the original deal as shirt front sponsors
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United decided to cancel early
‘Dave the Save’ or whoever you are… most people don’t buy products as part of a conscious decision to buy something because it is made by the sponsor of a football club.
No one implied they did and it has absolutely no relevance to the point.
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comment by HB Fashion Sakala is offside again (U21935)
posted 25 seconds ago
A TV interview sounds like the worst idea i've ever heard.
Remember Prince Andrew well it would be every bit as bad, Greenwood appears to be even less intelligent so it would be complete car crash TV.
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Greenwood's would have to be more of an apology and an explanation the effects of counselling are having with a huge dose of humility for it to be even half worth doing, I think it'd be how sincere he looked that might make it work (not sure even then).
Prince Andrew going on TV to announce he wasn't as noncey as we all thought actually was never going to work.
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He would have to explain the audio, why she then posted it? why the police got involved? how it took so long? how they got back together when he was banned from contacting her?
An absolute mine field for even an intelligent and articulate person to form and provide a cohesive story that leaves him in a good light or even just a more understanding light.
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You're absoutely correct. It'd have to be framed the right way and be a massive mea culpa, which I can't see happening anyway. He's finished with United, and the only people that seem to want him back are the overseas mob on twitter
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How would United know if the interview had worked or not?
How would they insist he don't unless he was to be reinstated?
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Market research.
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Exactly. It's a ridiculous suggestion. As if the club would let fans decide if he can stay on or not.
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Not what I said. As I suggested earlier, you clearly don't understand marketing or brand management
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I do. But yoh don't seem to have thought this through.
If you were in charge of this interview project, how would you get it done. I'm talking stage by stage.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 34 seconds ago
‘Dave the Save’ or whoever you are… most people don’t buy products as part of a conscious decision to buy something because it is made by the sponsor of a football club.
No one implied they did and it has absolutely no relevance to the point.
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So why would Greenwood coming back hurt Adidas for example?
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 6 minutes ago
‘Dave the Save’ or whoever you are… most people don’t buy products as part of a conscious decision to buy something because it is made by the sponsor of a football club.
No one implied they did and it has absolutely no relevance to the point.
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I'd venture a guess that he's RDD's younger brother, the smarter one.
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Elvis in this country you have to prove guilt not innocence. Being innocent isn't a charge
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Youre talking about a court of law. That's irrelevant now.
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So where else is there?
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Court of opinion. It is going to be hard for United to bring Mason back into the team unless the public opinion of him changes massively.
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Court of opinion. AKA vigilante. I'm sure he might get what's coming, one day
Anyway, as I said. I'm sure United will be very aware of this when they decide his future.
It all getting very silly now
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No I'm not talking about him getting battered by someone. What I am saying is that the general opinion of the public is that Mason is very bad person. And that makes it very difficult for United to bring him back into the first team, even without considering the potential financial implications. Unless Mason can do something to sway the publics opinion on him, I don't think he plays for United again.
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Most people don't give a toss either way.
Most United fans will accept
He is young and immature.
Their are things we don't know about what happened.
It was dropped following an investigation.
They are back together and expecting.
Nobody on here is willing to commit to not following United again should he return, so why do you think it would destroy the club?
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I didn't say that it will destroy the club. You've got me mistaken with someone else.
And I don't know a single United fan in real life that wants Mason back as things stand. To say that no-one gives a toss is the complete opposite of my experience. Some would be happy/ok with him coming back from these boards. Aside from that, the only people that want him back tend to be from Africa and post their opinions on social media.
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Some on here would be fine with it. That's the only measure we have.
How many fans do you know who have said they would boycott the club if he played again?
You have been very outspoken on this topic. Would you give up United if he played again?
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I don't think that the loss of fans is the main financial issue. Sponsorship and damage to reputation would be the biggest issue. Plenty of sponsors have dropped Mason. And we have had United sponsors stating that they are monitoring the situation. If Mason comes back there is going to be uproar from various women's domestic abuse groups and I'd expect the United women's team too. You seem to think that sponsors can just be replaced like that. But if they are replaced, it will be at a lower rate than the sponsor that they are replacing. The United commercial team has worked very hard and done a good job at finding those sponsorship deals and getting the best deals. A damaged reputation gives them less leverage when it comes to negotiating new deals with potential new sponsors.
There is a decision to be made as to whether the potential financial loss is worth more than Mason is. And that is without considering the club's reputation and moral standing.
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Why would sponsors have an issue, if the fans (their customers) didn't? All they want is their brand to be seen by the clubs TV audience / online following.
Would you honestly not buy Adidas products if United kept Greenwood?
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Sales drop when a brands reputation is damaged. I mean, it really is that simple. If you want to waste your time arguing against that then crack on. Maybe you should contact all the big companies out there and let them know that they are wasting millions on marketing and brand management, because, you know, people just don't care.
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Serious question. Do you buy products BECAUSE of their affiliation with United, and would you stop if Greenwood played again?
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if people didnt then sponsors wouldnt exist !!!
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Answer my.question
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yes.
I have tried products on the basis of them sponsoring my team. I never tried Carling til my club was sponsored by them. wasnt for me granted but I still tried it.
I had never even heard of 32red before they sponsored my team.
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Well, that's sad 😁
Would you stop watching your favourite TV show, or drinking your favourite drink if they sponsored United and Grenwood played again?
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Is this rdd?
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Names Save. Dave the Save.
comment by Dave the Save (U22987)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 34 seconds ago
‘Dave the Save’ or whoever you are… most people don’t buy products as part of a conscious decision to buy something because it is made by the sponsor of a football club.
No one implied they did and it has absolutely no relevance to the point.
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So why would Greenwood coming back hurt Adidas for example?
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Well it depends on the reaction.
But if their brand is clearly visible within significant, negative media coverage about domestic abuse then it’s not that difficult to work out why that’s a bad thing.
In the same way as it’s not particularly difficult to work out why these brands like to be seen when teams are celebrating success or doing something good for society.
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posted on 19/4/23
This thread is brilliant
posted on 19/4/23
comment by Dave the Save (U22987)
posted 1 hour, 38 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Dave the Save (U22987)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man (U1270)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by HB Fashion Sakala is offside again (U21935)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man (U1270)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by HB Fashion Sakala is offside again (U21935)
posted 25 seconds ago
A TV interview sounds like the worst idea i've ever heard.
Remember Prince Andrew well it would be every bit as bad, Greenwood appears to be even less intelligent so it would be complete car crash TV.
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Greenwood's would have to be more of an apology and an explanation the effects of counselling are having with a huge dose of humility for it to be even half worth doing, I think it'd be how sincere he looked that might make it work (not sure even then).
Prince Andrew going on TV to announce he wasn't as noncey as we all thought actually was never going to work.
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He would have to explain the audio, why she then posted it? why the police got involved? how it took so long? how they got back together when he was banned from contacting her?
An absolute mine field for even an intelligent and articulate person to form and provide a cohesive story that leaves him in a good light or even just a more understanding light.
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You're absoutely correct. It'd have to be framed the right way and be a massive mea culpa, which I can't see happening anyway. He's finished with United, and the only people that seem to want him back are the overseas mob on twitter
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How would United know if the interview had worked or not?
How would they insist he don't unless he was to be reinstated?
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Market research.
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Exactly. It's a ridiculous suggestion. As if the club would let fans decide if he can stay on or not.
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Not what I said. As I suggested earlier, you clearly don't understand marketing or brand management
posted on 19/4/23
comment by Clever - son son son - 'Ten Haaaagendas please' of the year Runner Up 2021 (U18599)
posted 1 minute ago
This thread is brilliant
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Peak RDD
posted on 19/4/23
Good to see you've all been really productive today. Get a life whodummy.
posted on 19/4/23
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 21 hours, 10 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 3 hours, 42 minutes ago
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posted 2 hours, 7 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 46 minutes ago
Will probably get dogs abuse for this but if he comes out and admits what he did and lists the steps he is taking to be a better person, I would forgive him and let him play for Utd again.
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He could do a TV interview with somedy sensible to explain things with either the truth or even his point of view. Although he doesnt actually have to explain himself to us or anybody in public for that matter. But he'd be foolish not to though, if he wants to start to put it behind him.
But if United, and Ten Hag decided that with all things considered it was ok for him to now return to the squad with a view to contributing on the pitch, then that's good enough for me. I dont think this will happen though.
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Indeed, there is potential redemption for him but he has to own up to what happened.
The club has to understand this and make sure this gets out accurately and also monitors his behaviour should there be a reoccurrence.
If he did that, I hope the manager would give him a chance.
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So you think that he comes out, admits he raped her/tried to rape her, apologises, and then everyone claps and is happy? What about the police? What about the CPS? Do they give him a little clap as well?
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The assault is what I am talking about. Not rape.
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The assault where he is trying to rape her?
posted on 19/4/23
comment by The Post Nearly Man (U1270)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Clever - son son son - 'Ten Haaaagendas please'of the year Runner Up 2021 (U18599)
posted 1 minute ago
This thread is brilliant
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Peak RDD
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I didn't realise he'd changed his name agian. More fool me
posted on 19/4/23
I think one thing we are ALL agreed with is that the reply button function just has to go. It makes it very confusing to who said what last.
Admins. Over to you.
posted on 19/4/23
When people ask questions such as 'have you ever bought a product because x company sponsored x event/club', I find it painful.
Appreciate I work in the industry but fack me, it's not that difficult to understand the basics.
A good brand manager will have followed a process to get to a decision as to where they want their brand positioned, and sponsorship will be a part of that.
Absolutely, any sort of scandal like this is a factor in whether that sponsorship is still of value.
posted on 19/4/23
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
When people ask questions such as 'have you ever bought a product because x company sponsored x event/club', I find it painful.
Appreciate I work in the industry but fack me, it's not that difficult to understand the basics.
A good brand manager will have followed a process to get to a decision as to where they want their brand positioned, and sponsorship will be a part of that.
Absolutely, any sort of scandal like this is a factor in whether that sponsorship is still of value.
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I worked in the industry myself. But even if I hadn't, you've got to be a special kind of special to question whether sponsorship actually sells product. For what other reason would a company sponsor a team or individual?
posted on 19/4/23
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
When people ask questions such as 'have you ever bought a product because x company sponsored x event/club', I find it painful.
Appreciate I work in the industry but fack me, it's not that difficult to understand the basics.
A good brand manager will have followed a process to get to a decision as to where they want their brand positioned, and sponsorship will be a part of that.
Absolutely, any sort of scandal like this is a factor in whether that sponsorship is still of value.
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I worked in the industry myself. But even if I hadn't, you've got to be a special kind of special to question whether sponsorship actually sells product. For what other reason would a company sponsor a team or individual?
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Indeed.
I’ve got a mate who actually works in the industry and still claims he’s not affected by branding.
Needless to say he has zero marketing qualifications.
posted on 19/4/23
Winston, I thought you were leaving the site after your bold and entirely real claim that chelsea would overturn Real Madrid last night ? Glad to see you’ve changed your mind…..
posted on 19/4/23
comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 19 seconds ago
Winston, I thought you were leaving the site after your bold and entirely real claim that chelsea would overturn Real Madrid last night ? Glad to see you’ve changed your mind…..
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Oh dear, Harambe at it again was he? I was out!
posted on 19/4/23
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 19 seconds ago
Winston, I thought you were leaving the site after your bold and entirely real claim that chelsea would overturn Real Madrid last night ? Glad to see you’ve changed your mind…..
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Oh dear, Harambe at it again was he? I was out!
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He’s an odd one
posted on 19/4/23
He is indeed.
posted on 19/4/23
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 3 hours, 38 minutes ago
comment by Dave the Save (U22987)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Dave the Save (U22987)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Dave the Save (U22987)
posted 1 hour, 22 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 14 hours, 56 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 21 minutes ago
Elvis in this country you have to prove guilt not innocence. Being innocent isn't a charge
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Youre talking about a court of law. That's irrelevant now.
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So where else is there?
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Court of opinion. It is going to be hard for United to bring Mason back into the team unless the public opinion of him changes massively.
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Court of opinion. AKA vigilante. I'm sure he might get what's coming, one day
Anyway, as I said. I'm sure United will be very aware of this when they decide his future.
It all getting very silly now
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No I'm not talking about him getting battered by someone. What I am saying is that the general opinion of the public is that Mason is very bad person. And that makes it very difficult for United to bring him back into the first team, even without considering the potential financial implications. Unless Mason can do something to sway the publics opinion on him, I don't think he plays for United again.
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Most people don't give a toss either way.
Most United fans will accept
He is young and immature.
Their are things we don't know about what happened.
It was dropped following an investigation.
They are back together and expecting.
Nobody on here is willing to commit to not following United again should he return, so why do you think it would destroy the club?
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I didn't say that it will destroy the club. You've got me mistaken with someone else.
And I don't know a single United fan in real life that wants Mason back as things stand. To say that no-one gives a toss is the complete opposite of my experience. Some would be happy/ok with him coming back from these boards. Aside from that, the only people that want him back tend to be from Africa and post their opinions on social media.
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Some on here would be fine with it. That's the only measure we have.
How many fans do you know who have said they would boycott the club if he played again?
You have been very outspoken on this topic. Would you give up United if he played again?
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I don't think that the loss of fans is the main financial issue. Sponsorship and damage to reputation would be the biggest issue. Plenty of sponsors have dropped Mason. And we have had United sponsors stating that they are monitoring the situation. If Mason comes back there is going to be uproar from various women's domestic abuse groups and I'd expect the United women's team too. You seem to think that sponsors can just be replaced like that. But if they are replaced, it will be at a lower rate than the sponsor that they are replacing. The United commercial team has worked very hard and done a good job at finding those sponsorship deals and getting the best deals. A damaged reputation gives them less leverage when it comes to negotiating new deals with potential new sponsors.
There is a decision to be made as to whether the potential financial loss is worth more than Mason is. And that is without considering the club's reputation and moral standing.
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Why would sponsors have an issue, if the fans (their customers) didn't? All they want is their brand to be seen by the clubs TV audience / online following.
Would you honestly not buy Adidas products if United kept Greenwood?
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Sales drop when a brands reputation is damaged. I mean, it really is that simple. If you want to waste your time arguing against that then crack on. Maybe you should contact all the big companies out there and let them know that they are wasting millions on marketing and brand management, because, you know, people just don't care.
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Adidas brand wouldn't be damaged because 1 player at 1 club was alleged to have done something.
posted on 19/4/23
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 3 hours, 33 minutes ago
comment by Dave the Save (U22987)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by Dave the Save (U22987)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Dave the Save (U22987)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Dave the Save (U22987)
posted 1 hour, 22 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 14 hours, 56 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 21 minutes ago
Elvis in this country you have to prove guilt not innocence. Being innocent isn't a charge
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Youre talking about a court of law. That's irrelevant now.
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So where else is there?
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Court of opinion. It is going to be hard for United to bring Mason back into the team unless the public opinion of him changes massively.
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Court of opinion. AKA vigilante. I'm sure he might get what's coming, one day
Anyway, as I said. I'm sure United will be very aware of this when they decide his future.
It all getting very silly now
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No I'm not talking about him getting battered by someone. What I am saying is that the general opinion of the public is that Mason is very bad person. And that makes it very difficult for United to bring him back into the first team, even without considering the potential financial implications. Unless Mason can do something to sway the publics opinion on him, I don't think he plays for United again.
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Most people don't give a toss either way.
Most United fans will accept
He is young and immature.
Their are things we don't know about what happened.
It was dropped following an investigation.
They are back together and expecting.
Nobody on here is willing to commit to not following United again should he return, so why do you think it would destroy the club?
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I didn't say that it will destroy the club. You've got me mistaken with someone else.
And I don't know a single United fan in real life that wants Mason back as things stand. To say that no-one gives a toss is the complete opposite of my experience. Some would be happy/ok with him coming back from these boards. Aside from that, the only people that want him back tend to be from Africa and post their opinions on social media.
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Some on here would be fine with it. That's the only measure we have.
How many fans do you know who have said they would boycott the club if he played again?
You have been very outspoken on this topic. Would you give up United if he played again?
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I don't think that the loss of fans is the main financial issue. Sponsorship and damage to reputation would be the biggest issue. Plenty of sponsors have dropped Mason. And we have had United sponsors stating that they are monitoring the situation. If Mason comes back there is going to be uproar from various women's domestic abuse groups and I'd expect the United women's team too. You seem to think that sponsors can just be replaced like that. But if they are replaced, it will be at a lower rate than the sponsor that they are replacing. The United commercial team has worked very hard and done a good job at finding those sponsorship deals and getting the best deals. A damaged reputation gives them less leverage when it comes to negotiating new deals with potential new sponsors.
There is a decision to be made as to whether the potential financial loss is worth more than Mason is. And that is without considering the club's reputation and moral standing.
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Why would sponsors have an issue, if the fans (their customers) didn't? All they want is their brand to be seen by the clubs TV audience / online following.
Would you honestly not buy Adidas products if United kept Greenwood?
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Sales drop when a brands reputation is damaged. I mean, it really is that simple. If you want to waste your time arguing against that then crack on. Maybe you should contact all the big companies out there and let them know that they are wasting millions on marketing and brand management, because, you know, people just don't care.
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Serious question. Do you buy products BECAUSE of their affiliation with United, and would you stop if Greenwood played again?
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if people didnt then sponsors wouldnt exist !!!
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Answer my question.
posted on 19/4/23
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 3 hours, 16 minutes ago
comment by Dave the Save (U22987)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 2 minutes ago
United chose to end the teamviewer shirt deal
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Wasn't it teamviewer that stopped the sponsorship deal
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No
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Manchester United has the option to buy back the rights to its shirt-front sponsorship from TeamViewer after the German software company said it would reduce its role with the Premier League team, according to Bloomberg.
It appears they could no longer afford the original deal as shirt front sponsors
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United decided to cancel early
posted on 19/4/23
‘Dave the Save’ or whoever you are… most people don’t buy products as part of a conscious decision to buy something because it is made by the sponsor of a football club.
No one implied they did and it has absolutely no relevance to the point.
posted on 19/4/23
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 hours, 3 minutes ago
comment by Dave the Save (U22987)
posted 1 hour, 38 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Dave the Save (U22987)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man (U1270)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by HB Fashion Sakala is offside again (U21935)
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comment by The Post Nearly Man (U1270)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by HB Fashion Sakala is offside again (U21935)
posted 25 seconds ago
A TV interview sounds like the worst idea i've ever heard.
Remember Prince Andrew well it would be every bit as bad, Greenwood appears to be even less intelligent so it would be complete car crash TV.
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Greenwood's would have to be more of an apology and an explanation the effects of counselling are having with a huge dose of humility for it to be even half worth doing, I think it'd be how sincere he looked that might make it work (not sure even then).
Prince Andrew going on TV to announce he wasn't as noncey as we all thought actually was never going to work.
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He would have to explain the audio, why she then posted it? why the police got involved? how it took so long? how they got back together when he was banned from contacting her?
An absolute mine field for even an intelligent and articulate person to form and provide a cohesive story that leaves him in a good light or even just a more understanding light.
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You're absoutely correct. It'd have to be framed the right way and be a massive mea culpa, which I can't see happening anyway. He's finished with United, and the only people that seem to want him back are the overseas mob on twitter
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How would United know if the interview had worked or not?
How would they insist he don't unless he was to be reinstated?
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Market research.
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Exactly. It's a ridiculous suggestion. As if the club would let fans decide if he can stay on or not.
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Not what I said. As I suggested earlier, you clearly don't understand marketing or brand management
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I do. But yoh don't seem to have thought this through.
If you were in charge of this interview project, how would you get it done. I'm talking stage by stage.
posted on 19/4/23
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 34 seconds ago
‘Dave the Save’ or whoever you are… most people don’t buy products as part of a conscious decision to buy something because it is made by the sponsor of a football club.
No one implied they did and it has absolutely no relevance to the point.
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So why would Greenwood coming back hurt Adidas for example?
posted on 19/4/23
Is this rdd?
posted on 19/4/23
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 6 minutes ago
‘Dave the Save’ or whoever you are… most people don’t buy products as part of a conscious decision to buy something because it is made by the sponsor of a football club.
No one implied they did and it has absolutely no relevance to the point.
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I'd venture a guess that he's RDD's younger brother, the smarter one.
posted on 19/4/23
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 3 hours, 31 minutes ago
comment by Dave the Save (U22987)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Dave the Save (U22987)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by Dave the Save (U22987)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Dave the Save (U22987)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Dave the Save (U22987)
posted 1 hour, 22 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 14 hours, 56 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 21 minutes ago
Elvis in this country you have to prove guilt not innocence. Being innocent isn't a charge
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Youre talking about a court of law. That's irrelevant now.
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So where else is there?
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Court of opinion. It is going to be hard for United to bring Mason back into the team unless the public opinion of him changes massively.
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Court of opinion. AKA vigilante. I'm sure he might get what's coming, one day
Anyway, as I said. I'm sure United will be very aware of this when they decide his future.
It all getting very silly now
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No I'm not talking about him getting battered by someone. What I am saying is that the general opinion of the public is that Mason is very bad person. And that makes it very difficult for United to bring him back into the first team, even without considering the potential financial implications. Unless Mason can do something to sway the publics opinion on him, I don't think he plays for United again.
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Most people don't give a toss either way.
Most United fans will accept
He is young and immature.
Their are things we don't know about what happened.
It was dropped following an investigation.
They are back together and expecting.
Nobody on here is willing to commit to not following United again should he return, so why do you think it would destroy the club?
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I didn't say that it will destroy the club. You've got me mistaken with someone else.
And I don't know a single United fan in real life that wants Mason back as things stand. To say that no-one gives a toss is the complete opposite of my experience. Some would be happy/ok with him coming back from these boards. Aside from that, the only people that want him back tend to be from Africa and post their opinions on social media.
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Some on here would be fine with it. That's the only measure we have.
How many fans do you know who have said they would boycott the club if he played again?
You have been very outspoken on this topic. Would you give up United if he played again?
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I don't think that the loss of fans is the main financial issue. Sponsorship and damage to reputation would be the biggest issue. Plenty of sponsors have dropped Mason. And we have had United sponsors stating that they are monitoring the situation. If Mason comes back there is going to be uproar from various women's domestic abuse groups and I'd expect the United women's team too. You seem to think that sponsors can just be replaced like that. But if they are replaced, it will be at a lower rate than the sponsor that they are replacing. The United commercial team has worked very hard and done a good job at finding those sponsorship deals and getting the best deals. A damaged reputation gives them less leverage when it comes to negotiating new deals with potential new sponsors.
There is a decision to be made as to whether the potential financial loss is worth more than Mason is. And that is without considering the club's reputation and moral standing.
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Why would sponsors have an issue, if the fans (their customers) didn't? All they want is their brand to be seen by the clubs TV audience / online following.
Would you honestly not buy Adidas products if United kept Greenwood?
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Sales drop when a brands reputation is damaged. I mean, it really is that simple. If you want to waste your time arguing against that then crack on. Maybe you should contact all the big companies out there and let them know that they are wasting millions on marketing and brand management, because, you know, people just don't care.
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Serious question. Do you buy products BECAUSE of their affiliation with United, and would you stop if Greenwood played again?
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if people didnt then sponsors wouldnt exist !!!
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Answer my.question
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yes.
I have tried products on the basis of them sponsoring my team. I never tried Carling til my club was sponsored by them. wasnt for me granted but I still tried it.
I had never even heard of 32red before they sponsored my team.
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Well, that's sad 😁
Would you stop watching your favourite TV show, or drinking your favourite drink if they sponsored United and Grenwood played again?
posted on 19/4/23
comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 31 seconds ago
Is this rdd?
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Names Save. Dave the Save.
posted on 19/4/23
comment by Dave the Save (U22987)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 34 seconds ago
‘Dave the Save’ or whoever you are… most people don’t buy products as part of a conscious decision to buy something because it is made by the sponsor of a football club.
No one implied they did and it has absolutely no relevance to the point.
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So why would Greenwood coming back hurt Adidas for example?
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Well it depends on the reaction.
But if their brand is clearly visible within significant, negative media coverage about domestic abuse then it’s not that difficult to work out why that’s a bad thing.
In the same way as it’s not particularly difficult to work out why these brands like to be seen when teams are celebrating success or doing something good for society.
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