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A TV interview sounds like the worst idea i've ever heard.

Remember Prince Andrew well it would be every bit as bad, Greenwood appears to be even less intelligent so it would be complete car crash TV.
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Greenwood's would have to be more of an apology and an explanation the effects of counselling are having with a huge dose of humility for it to be even half worth doing, I think it'd be how sincere he looked that might make it work (not sure even then).

Prince Andrew going on TV to announce he wasn't as noncey as we all thought actually was never going to work.
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He would have to explain the audio, why she then posted it? why the police got involved? how it took so long? how they got back together when he was banned from contacting her?

An absolute mine field for even an intelligent and articulate person to form and provide a cohesive story that leaves him in a good light or even just a more understanding light.
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You're absoutely correct. It'd have to be framed the right way and be a massive mea culpa, which I can't see happening anyway. He's finished with United, and the only people that seem to want him back are the overseas mob on twitter
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How would United know if the interview had worked or not?

How would they insist he don't unless he was to be reinstated?
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Hence it won't happen. If you read the posts back it's all explained quite clearly.

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Elvis in this country you have to prove guilt not innocence. Being innocent isn't a charge

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Youre talking about a court of law. That's irrelevant now.
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So where else is there?
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Court of opinion. It is going to be hard for United to bring Mason back into the team unless the public opinion of him changes massively.
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Court of opinion. AKA vigilante. I'm sure he might get what's coming, one day

Anyway, as I said. I'm sure United will be very aware of this when they decide his future.

It all getting very silly now


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No I'm not talking about him getting battered by someone. What I am saying is that the general opinion of the public is that Mason is very bad person. And that makes it very difficult for United to bring him back into the first team, even without considering the potential financial implications. Unless Mason can do something to sway the publics opinion on him, I don't think he plays for United again.
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Exactly what I said Elvis.

Maybe he does a TV interview.
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TV interview does feck all for him unless he puts forward some evidence that it was a s3x game. In which case Hariet could be in trouble for initially giving a statement against him/wasting police time/perverting the course of justice.
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Maybe.

Like I say I think that United will probably let him go rather than do a PR job in keeping him at the club.
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Me too. The risk is too great.
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What, specifically, is the great risk to United?
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public backlash, sponsorship legal action
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Public backlash. We arent about to see an exodus of fans if he plays again. Will you commit now to no longer following United if he plays again?

Sponsorship legal action - I'm sure this would be considered, but the shirt sponsorship has been cancelled early by us, already, suggesting we are confident of replacing them with a bigger / better deal.

Adidas aren't about to cut ties with United over this. They dropped Kanye West and made HUGE losses as a result, whilst Kanye West's trainers still sell for silly money.

Adidas didn't walk from Bayern Munich when Ribery was accused of 5ex with an underage girl. Neither did they insist Ribery be sacked.
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it doesnt have to be the club own fans but there will defo be an element within against it. It will be every other persons opinion and Man Utd are a brand, and the deals involved in sponsorship will heavily rely on the public general perception from fans and non fans.
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Sponsors are primarily paying to have their brand exposed to the viewing public. Not necessarily United fans.

Would many of us really not buy a pair of Adidas trainers or a Chevrolet car just because Greenwood stayed at United?

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I think in this day social media shows there defo would be a group in particular that specifically would avoid the brand yeah.

Cancel culture is fecking rife
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Which brands have suffered hugely as a result of individual representatives?
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but it still happened. I dont know about the repercussions of it and how true it is. Thats immaterial.

Were saying there could be backlash on it on the basis that its happened elsewhere
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You know it happened, but can't give examples?
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I gave one ... adidas
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And I pointed out that it resulted In huge losses, whilst the product and individual remain popular.
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Did they? I assume Kanye also lost out.... doesnt matter tho, you asked me to give an example of a sponsor pulling out.

I gave you a massive one. One of the biggest names in the world and one of the biggest brands in the world.

Were not debating whether or not it was good financial sense for them to do it at the time or if it will benefit them in the future. Were debating whether or not any sponsors might push back. You asked for an example I gave you one.
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I used Adidas as a example first.

They didn't get rid of Ribery at Bayern, which is a far closer comparison.
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cos they have shares in the club!

again it doesnt matter, you asked for an example of a sponsor pulling out.

You got one.
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So had far more potential to be harmed by their employees actions, and far more power to have him sacked/ sold.
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doest matter, you asked for an example , you got one.

anything else mr alt?
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And I have shown how it is an example of how unlikely it is that our biggest sponsor would walk away if Greenwood played again.

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Elvis in this country you have to prove guilt not innocence. Being innocent isn't a charge

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Youre talking about a court of law. That's irrelevant now.
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So where else is there?
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Court of opinion. It is going to be hard for United to bring Mason back into the team unless the public opinion of him changes massively.
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Court of opinion. AKA vigilante. I'm sure he might get what's coming, one day

Anyway, as I said. I'm sure United will be very aware of this when they decide his future.

It all getting very silly now


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No I'm not talking about him getting battered by someone. What I am saying is that the general opinion of the public is that Mason is very bad person. And that makes it very difficult for United to bring him back into the first team, even without considering the potential financial implications. Unless Mason can do something to sway the publics opinion on him, I don't think he plays for United again.
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Exactly what I said Elvis.

Maybe he does a TV interview.
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TV interview does feck all for him unless he puts forward some evidence that it was a s3x game. In which case Hariet could be in trouble for initially giving a statement against him/wasting police time/perverting the course of justice.
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Maybe.

Like I say I think that United will probably let him go rather than do a PR job in keeping him at the club.
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Me too. The risk is too great.
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What, specifically, is the great risk to United?
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Money. Reputation. Its not rocket science.
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Money how?

Reputation damaged with who? Not our own match going fans. Not those that pay to watch on TV. Unlikely to be those that use sponsor brands because of their affiliation with United.
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I don't think you really understand marketing and brand management.

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Elvis in this country you have to prove guilt not innocence. Being innocent isn't a charge

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Youre talking about a court of law. That's irrelevant now.
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So where else is there?
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Court of opinion. It is going to be hard for United to bring Mason back into the team unless the public opinion of him changes massively.
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Court of opinion. AKA vigilante. I'm sure he might get what's coming, one day

Anyway, as I said. I'm sure United will be very aware of this when they decide his future.

It all getting very silly now


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No I'm not talking about him getting battered by someone. What I am saying is that the general opinion of the public is that Mason is very bad person. And that makes it very difficult for United to bring him back into the first team, even without considering the potential financial implications. Unless Mason can do something to sway the publics opinion on him, I don't think he plays for United again.
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Most people don't give a toss either way.

Most United fans will accept

He is young and immature.
Their are things we don't know about what happened.
It was dropped following an investigation.
They are back together and expecting.

Nobody on here is willing to commit to not following United again should he return, so why do you think it would destroy the club?
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I didn't say that it will destroy the club. You've got me mistaken with someone else.

And I don't know a single United fan in real life that wants Mason back as things stand. To say that no-one gives a toss is the complete opposite of my experience. Some would be happy/ok with him coming back from these boards. Aside from that, the only people that want him back tend to be from Africa and post their opinions on social media.


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Some on here would be fine with it. That's the only measure we have.

How many fans do you know who have said they would boycott the club if he played again?

You have been very outspoken on this topic. Would you give up United if he played again?
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I don't think that the loss of fans is the main financial issue. Sponsorship and damage to reputation would be the biggest issue. Plenty of sponsors have dropped Mason. And we have had United sponsors stating that they are monitoring the situation. If Mason comes back there is going to be uproar from various women's domestic abuse groups and I'd expect the United women's team too. You seem to think that sponsors can just be replaced like that. But if they are replaced, it will be at a lower rate than the sponsor that they are replacing. The United commercial team has worked very hard and done a good job at finding those sponsorship deals and getting the best deals. A damaged reputation gives them less leverage when it comes to negotiating new deals with potential new sponsors.

There is a decision to be made as to whether the potential financial loss is worth more than Mason is. And that is without considering the club's reputation and moral standing.
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Why would sponsors have an issue, if the fans (their customers) didn't? All they want is their brand to be seen by the clubs TV audience / online following.

Would you honestly not buy Adidas products if United kept Greenwood?

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A TV interview sounds like the worst idea i've ever heard.

Remember Prince Andrew well it would be every bit as bad, Greenwood appears to be even less intelligent so it would be complete car crash TV.
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Greenwood's would have to be more of an apology and an explanation the effects of counselling are having with a huge dose of humility for it to be even half worth doing, I think it'd be how sincere he looked that might make it work (not sure even then).

Prince Andrew going on TV to announce he wasn't as noncey as we all thought actually was never going to work.
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He would have to explain the audio, why she then posted it? why the police got involved? how it took so long? how they got back together when he was banned from contacting her?

An absolute mine field for even an intelligent and articulate person to form and provide a cohesive story that leaves him in a good light or even just a more understanding light.
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You're absoutely correct. It'd have to be framed the right way and be a massive mea culpa, which I can't see happening anyway. He's finished with United, and the only people that seem to want him back are the overseas mob on twitter
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How would United know if the interview had worked or not?

How would they insist he don't unless he was to be reinstated?
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Market research.

United chose to end the teamviewer shirt deal AFTER the Greenwood situation. Arose. Would they do that if they were worried about reputational damage and bettering the deal?

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Elvis in this country you have to prove guilt not innocence. Being innocent isn't a charge

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Youre talking about a court of law. That's irrelevant now.
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So where else is there?
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Court of opinion. It is going to be hard for United to bring Mason back into the team unless the public opinion of him changes massively.
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Court of opinion. AKA vigilante. I'm sure he might get what's coming, one day

Anyway, as I said. I'm sure United will be very aware of this when they decide his future.

It all getting very silly now


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No I'm not talking about him getting battered by someone. What I am saying is that the general opinion of the public is that Mason is very bad person. And that makes it very difficult for United to bring him back into the first team, even without considering the potential financial implications. Unless Mason can do something to sway the publics opinion on him, I don't think he plays for United again.
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Most people don't give a toss either way.

Most United fans will accept

He is young and immature.
Their are things we don't know about what happened.
It was dropped following an investigation.
They are back together and expecting.

Nobody on here is willing to commit to not following United again should he return, so why do you think it would destroy the club?
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I didn't say that it will destroy the club. You've got me mistaken with someone else.

And I don't know a single United fan in real life that wants Mason back as things stand. To say that no-one gives a toss is the complete opposite of my experience. Some would be happy/ok with him coming back from these boards. Aside from that, the only people that want him back tend to be from Africa and post their opinions on social media.


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Some on here would be fine with it. That's the only measure we have.

How many fans do you know who have said they would boycott the club if he played again?

You have been very outspoken on this topic. Would you give up United if he played again?
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I don't think that the loss of fans is the main financial issue. Sponsorship and damage to reputation would be the biggest issue. Plenty of sponsors have dropped Mason. And we have had United sponsors stating that they are monitoring the situation. If Mason comes back there is going to be uproar from various women's domestic abuse groups and I'd expect the United women's team too. You seem to think that sponsors can just be replaced like that. But if they are replaced, it will be at a lower rate than the sponsor that they are replacing. The United commercial team has worked very hard and done a good job at finding those sponsorship deals and getting the best deals. A damaged reputation gives them less leverage when it comes to negotiating new deals with potential new sponsors.

There is a decision to be made as to whether the potential financial loss is worth more than Mason is. And that is without considering the club's reputation and moral standing.
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Why would sponsors have an issue, if the fans (their customers) didn't? All they want is their brand to be seen by the clubs TV audience / online following.

Would you honestly not buy Adidas products if United kept Greenwood?
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Sales drop when a brands reputation is damaged. I mean, it really is that simple. If you want to waste your time arguing against that then crack on. Maybe you should contact all the big companies out there and let them know that they are wasting millions on marketing and brand management, because, you know, people just don't care.

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A TV interview sounds like the worst idea i've ever heard.

Remember Prince Andrew well it would be every bit as bad, Greenwood appears to be even less intelligent so it would be complete car crash TV.
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Greenwood's would have to be more of an apology and an explanation the effects of counselling are having with a huge dose of humility for it to be even half worth doing, I think it'd be how sincere he looked that might make it work (not sure even then).

Prince Andrew going on TV to announce he wasn't as noncey as we all thought actually was never going to work.
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He would have to explain the audio, why she then posted it? why the police got involved? how it took so long? how they got back together when he was banned from contacting her?

An absolute mine field for even an intelligent and articulate person to form and provide a cohesive story that leaves him in a good light or even just a more understanding light.
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You're absoutely correct. It'd have to be framed the right way and be a massive mea culpa, which I can't see happening anyway. He's finished with United, and the only people that seem to want him back are the overseas mob on twitter
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How would United know if the interview had worked or not?

How would they insist he don't unless he was to be reinstated?
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Market research.


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Exactly. It's a ridiculous suggestion. As if the club would let fans decide if he can stay on or not.

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Elvis in this country you have to prove guilt not innocence. Being innocent isn't a charge

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Youre talking about a court of law. That's irrelevant now.
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So where else is there?
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Court of opinion. It is going to be hard for United to bring Mason back into the team unless the public opinion of him changes massively.
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Court of opinion. AKA vigilante. I'm sure he might get what's coming, one day

Anyway, as I said. I'm sure United will be very aware of this when they decide his future.

It all getting very silly now


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No I'm not talking about him getting battered by someone. What I am saying is that the general opinion of the public is that Mason is very bad person. And that makes it very difficult for United to bring him back into the first team, even without considering the potential financial implications. Unless Mason can do something to sway the publics opinion on him, I don't think he plays for United again.
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Exactly what I said Elvis.

Maybe he does a TV interview.
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TV interview does feck all for him unless he puts forward some evidence that it was a s3x game. In which case Hariet could be in trouble for initially giving a statement against him/wasting police time/perverting the course of justice.
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Maybe.

Like I say I think that United will probably let him go rather than do a PR job in keeping him at the club.
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Me too. The risk is too great.
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What, specifically, is the great risk to United?
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public backlash, sponsorship legal action
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Public backlash. We arent about to see an exodus of fans if he plays again. Will you commit now to no longer following United if he plays again?

Sponsorship legal action - I'm sure this would be considered, but the shirt sponsorship has been cancelled early by us, already, suggesting we are confident of replacing them with a bigger / better deal.

Adidas aren't about to cut ties with United over this. They dropped Kanye West and made HUGE losses as a result, whilst Kanye West's trainers still sell for silly money.

Adidas didn't walk from Bayern Munich when Ribery was accused of 5ex with an underage girl. Neither did they insist Ribery be sacked.
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it doesnt have to be the club own fans but there will defo be an element within against it. It will be every other persons opinion and Man Utd are a brand, and the deals involved in sponsorship will heavily rely on the public general perception from fans and non fans.
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Sponsors are primarily paying to have their brand exposed to the viewing public. Not necessarily United fans.

Would many of us really not buy a pair of Adidas trainers or a Chevrolet car just because Greenwood stayed at United?

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I think in this day social media shows there defo would be a group in particular that specifically would avoid the brand yeah.

Cancel culture is fecking rife
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Which brands have suffered hugely as a result of individual representatives?
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but it still happened. I dont know about the repercussions of it and how true it is. Thats immaterial.

Were saying there could be backlash on it on the basis that its happened elsewhere
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You know it happened, but can't give examples?
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I gave one ... adidas
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And I pointed out that it resulted In huge losses, whilst the product and individual remain popular.
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Did they? I assume Kanye also lost out.... doesnt matter tho, you asked me to give an example of a sponsor pulling out.

I gave you a massive one. One of the biggest names in the world and one of the biggest brands in the world.

Were not debating whether or not it was good financial sense for them to do it at the time or if it will benefit them in the future. Were debating whether or not any sponsors might push back. You asked for an example I gave you one.
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I used Adidas as a example first.

They didn't get rid of Ribery at Bayern, which is a far closer comparison.
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cos they have shares in the club!

again it doesnt matter, you asked for an example of a sponsor pulling out.

You got one.
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So had far more potential to be harmed by their employees actions, and far more power to have him sacked/ sold.
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doest matter, you asked for an example , you got one.

anything else mr alt?
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And I have shown how it is an example of how unlikely it is that our biggest sponsor would walk away if Greenwood played again.
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No you said it wont happen, and I said it could. You asked for an example.

I gave you an example of one of the biggest names in the world and one of the biggest brands in the world that pulling out due to public and social media reactions.

Sponsors have already said they would consider legal action.

Given that Nike have already pulled the plug on Greenwoods deal.

Given that Man Utd themselves spoke to sponsors about the situation and have since had complete silence.

Given that DHL, Cadbury & Konami were launching their own investigations.

All highlight that sponsorship damage could be something to suggest he wont be back.

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Elvis in this country you have to prove guilt not innocence. Being innocent isn't a charge

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Youre talking about a court of law. That's irrelevant now.
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So where else is there?
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Court of opinion. It is going to be hard for United to bring Mason back into the team unless the public opinion of him changes massively.
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Court of opinion. AKA vigilante. I'm sure he might get what's coming, one day

Anyway, as I said. I'm sure United will be very aware of this when they decide his future.

It all getting very silly now


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No I'm not talking about him getting battered by someone. What I am saying is that the general opinion of the public is that Mason is very bad person. And that makes it very difficult for United to bring him back into the first team, even without considering the potential financial implications. Unless Mason can do something to sway the publics opinion on him, I don't think he plays for United again.
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Most people don't give a toss either way.

Most United fans will accept

He is young and immature.
Their are things we don't know about what happened.
It was dropped following an investigation.
They are back together and expecting.

Nobody on here is willing to commit to not following United again should he return, so why do you think it would destroy the club?
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I didn't say that it will destroy the club. You've got me mistaken with someone else.

And I don't know a single United fan in real life that wants Mason back as things stand. To say that no-one gives a toss is the complete opposite of my experience. Some would be happy/ok with him coming back from these boards. Aside from that, the only people that want him back tend to be from Africa and post their opinions on social media.


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Some on here would be fine with it. That's the only measure we have.

How many fans do you know who have said they would boycott the club if he played again?

You have been very outspoken on this topic. Would you give up United if he played again?
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I don't think that the loss of fans is the main financial issue. Sponsorship and damage to reputation would be the biggest issue. Plenty of sponsors have dropped Mason. And we have had United sponsors stating that they are monitoring the situation. If Mason comes back there is going to be uproar from various women's domestic abuse groups and I'd expect the United women's team too. You seem to think that sponsors can just be replaced like that. But if they are replaced, it will be at a lower rate than the sponsor that they are replacing. The United commercial team has worked very hard and done a good job at finding those sponsorship deals and getting the best deals. A damaged reputation gives them less leverage when it comes to negotiating new deals with potential new sponsors.

There is a decision to be made as to whether the potential financial loss is worth more than Mason is. And that is without considering the club's reputation and moral standing.
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Why would sponsors have an issue, if the fans (their customers) didn't? All they want is their brand to be seen by the clubs TV audience / online following.

Would you honestly not buy Adidas products if United kept Greenwood?
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Sales drop when a brands reputation is damaged. I mean, it really is that simple. If you want to waste your time arguing against that then crack on. Maybe you should contact all the big companies out there and let them know that they are wasting millions on marketing and brand management, because, you know, people just don't care.
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Serious question. Do you buy products BECAUSE of their affiliation with United, and would you stop if Greenwood played again?

United chose to end the teamviewer shirt deal

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Wasn't it teamviewer that stopped the sponsorship deal

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Sales drop when a brands reputation is damaged. I mean, it really is that simple. If you want to waste your time arguing against that then crack on. Maybe you should contact all the big companies out there and let them know that they are wasting millions on marketing and brand management, because, you know, people just don't care.
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Adidas reported an loss of something like $500m dollars, which the Yeezy thing was a massive part of. Companies like this won't be associated with anything regarded as toxic, and they'll take a short term hit if neccessary.

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Elvis in this country you have to prove guilt not innocence. Being innocent isn't a charge

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Youre talking about a court of law. That's irrelevant now.
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So where else is there?
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Court of opinion. It is going to be hard for United to bring Mason back into the team unless the public opinion of him changes massively.
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Court of opinion. AKA vigilante. I'm sure he might get what's coming, one day

Anyway, as I said. I'm sure United will be very aware of this when they decide his future.

It all getting very silly now


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No I'm not talking about him getting battered by someone. What I am saying is that the general opinion of the public is that Mason is very bad person. And that makes it very difficult for United to bring him back into the first team, even without considering the potential financial implications. Unless Mason can do something to sway the publics opinion on him, I don't think he plays for United again.
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Exactly what I said Elvis.

Maybe he does a TV interview.
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TV interview does feck all for him unless he puts forward some evidence that it was a s3x game. In which case Hariet could be in trouble for initially giving a statement against him/wasting police time/perverting the course of justice.
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Maybe.

Like I say I think that United will probably let him go rather than do a PR job in keeping him at the club.
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Me too. The risk is too great.
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What, specifically, is the great risk to United?
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public backlash, sponsorship legal action
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Public backlash. We arent about to see an exodus of fans if he plays again. Will you commit now to no longer following United if he plays again?

Sponsorship legal action - I'm sure this would be considered, but the shirt sponsorship has been cancelled early by us, already, suggesting we are confident of replacing them with a bigger / better deal.

Adidas aren't about to cut ties with United over this. They dropped Kanye West and made HUGE losses as a result, whilst Kanye West's trainers still sell for silly money.

Adidas didn't walk from Bayern Munich when Ribery was accused of 5ex with an underage girl. Neither did they insist Ribery be sacked.
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it doesnt have to be the club own fans but there will defo be an element within against it. It will be every other persons opinion and Man Utd are a brand, and the deals involved in sponsorship will heavily rely on the public general perception from fans and non fans.
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Sponsors are primarily paying to have their brand exposed to the viewing public. Not necessarily United fans.

Would many of us really not buy a pair of Adidas trainers or a Chevrolet car just because Greenwood stayed at United?

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I think in this day social media shows there defo would be a group in particular that specifically would avoid the brand yeah.

Cancel culture is fecking rife
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Which brands have suffered hugely as a result of individual representatives?
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but it still happened. I dont know about the repercussions of it and how true it is. Thats immaterial.

Were saying there could be backlash on it on the basis that its happened elsewhere
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You know it happened, but can't give examples?
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I gave one ... adidas
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And I pointed out that it resulted In huge losses, whilst the product and individual remain popular.
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Did they? I assume Kanye also lost out.... doesnt matter tho, you asked me to give an example of a sponsor pulling out.

I gave you a massive one. One of the biggest names in the world and one of the biggest brands in the world.

Were not debating whether or not it was good financial sense for them to do it at the time or if it will benefit them in the future. Were debating whether or not any sponsors might push back. You asked for an example I gave you one.
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I used Adidas as a example first.

They didn't get rid of Ribery at Bayern, which is a far closer comparison.
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cos they have shares in the club!

again it doesnt matter, you asked for an example of a sponsor pulling out.

You got one.
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So had far more potential to be harmed by their employees actions, and far more power to have him sacked/ sold.
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doest matter, you asked for an example , you got one.

anything else mr alt?
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And I have shown how it is an example of how unlikely it is that our biggest sponsor would walk away if Greenwood played again.
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No you said it wont happen, and I said it could. You asked for an example.

I gave you an example of one of the biggest names in the world and one of the biggest brands in the world that pulling out due to public and social media reactions.

Sponsors have already said they would consider legal action.

Given that Nike have already pulled the plug on Greenwoods deal.

Given that Man Utd themselves spoke to sponsors about the situation and have since had complete silence.

Given that DHL, Cadbury & Konami were launching their own investigations.

All highlight that sponsorship damage could be something to suggest he wont be back.
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Adidas is a terrible example for you to use.

Has 1 sponsor questioned the delay in the clubs process?

Have any said they will walk should he play again?

I guess will we have to just see. I look forward to saying I told you so 👍🏻

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Elvis in this country you have to prove guilt not innocence. Being innocent isn't a charge

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Youre talking about a court of law. That's irrelevant now.
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So where else is there?
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Court of opinion. It is going to be hard for United to bring Mason back into the team unless the public opinion of him changes massively.
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Court of opinion. AKA vigilante. I'm sure he might get what's coming, one day

Anyway, as I said. I'm sure United will be very aware of this when they decide his future.

It all getting very silly now


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No I'm not talking about him getting battered by someone. What I am saying is that the general opinion of the public is that Mason is very bad person. And that makes it very difficult for United to bring him back into the first team, even without considering the potential financial implications. Unless Mason can do something to sway the publics opinion on him, I don't think he plays for United again.
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Most people don't give a toss either way.

Most United fans will accept

He is young and immature.
Their are things we don't know about what happened.
It was dropped following an investigation.
They are back together and expecting.

Nobody on here is willing to commit to not following United again should he return, so why do you think it would destroy the club?
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I didn't say that it will destroy the club. You've got me mistaken with someone else.

And I don't know a single United fan in real life that wants Mason back as things stand. To say that no-one gives a toss is the complete opposite of my experience. Some would be happy/ok with him coming back from these boards. Aside from that, the only people that want him back tend to be from Africa and post their opinions on social media.


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Some on here would be fine with it. That's the only measure we have.

How many fans do you know who have said they would boycott the club if he played again?

You have been very outspoken on this topic. Would you give up United if he played again?
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I don't think that the loss of fans is the main financial issue. Sponsorship and damage to reputation would be the biggest issue. Plenty of sponsors have dropped Mason. And we have had United sponsors stating that they are monitoring the situation. If Mason comes back there is going to be uproar from various women's domestic abuse groups and I'd expect the United women's team too. You seem to think that sponsors can just be replaced like that. But if they are replaced, it will be at a lower rate than the sponsor that they are replacing. The United commercial team has worked very hard and done a good job at finding those sponsorship deals and getting the best deals. A damaged reputation gives them less leverage when it comes to negotiating new deals with potential new sponsors.

There is a decision to be made as to whether the potential financial loss is worth more than Mason is. And that is without considering the club's reputation and moral standing.
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Why would sponsors have an issue, if the fans (their customers) didn't? All they want is their brand to be seen by the clubs TV audience / online following.

Would you honestly not buy Adidas products if United kept Greenwood?
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Sales drop when a brands reputation is damaged. I mean, it really is that simple. If you want to waste your time arguing against that then crack on. Maybe you should contact all the big companies out there and let them know that they are wasting millions on marketing and brand management, because, you know, people just don't care.
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Serious question. Do you buy products BECAUSE of their affiliation with United, and would you stop if Greenwood played again?
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if people didnt then sponsors wouldnt exist !!!

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Elvis in this country you have to prove guilt not innocence. Being innocent isn't a charge

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Youre talking about a court of law. That's irrelevant now.
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So where else is there?
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Court of opinion. It is going to be hard for United to bring Mason back into the team unless the public opinion of him changes massively.
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Court of opinion. AKA vigilante. I'm sure he might get what's coming, one day

Anyway, as I said. I'm sure United will be very aware of this when they decide his future.

It all getting very silly now


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No I'm not talking about him getting battered by someone. What I am saying is that the general opinion of the public is that Mason is very bad person. And that makes it very difficult for United to bring him back into the first team, even without considering the potential financial implications. Unless Mason can do something to sway the publics opinion on him, I don't think he plays for United again.
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Exactly what I said Elvis.

Maybe he does a TV interview.
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TV interview does feck all for him unless he puts forward some evidence that it was a s3x game. In which case Hariet could be in trouble for initially giving a statement against him/wasting police time/perverting the course of justice.
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Maybe.

Like I say I think that United will probably let him go rather than do a PR job in keeping him at the club.
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Me too. The risk is too great.
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What, specifically, is the great risk to United?
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public backlash, sponsorship legal action
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Public backlash. We arent about to see an exodus of fans if he plays again. Will you commit now to no longer following United if he plays again?

Sponsorship legal action - I'm sure this would be considered, but the shirt sponsorship has been cancelled early by us, already, suggesting we are confident of replacing them with a bigger / better deal.

Adidas aren't about to cut ties with United over this. They dropped Kanye West and made HUGE losses as a result, whilst Kanye West's trainers still sell for silly money.

Adidas didn't walk from Bayern Munich when Ribery was accused of 5ex with an underage girl. Neither did they insist Ribery be sacked.
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it doesnt have to be the club own fans but there will defo be an element within against it. It will be every other persons opinion and Man Utd are a brand, and the deals involved in sponsorship will heavily rely on the public general perception from fans and non fans.
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Sponsors are primarily paying to have their brand exposed to the viewing public. Not necessarily United fans.

Would many of us really not buy a pair of Adidas trainers or a Chevrolet car just because Greenwood stayed at United?

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I think in this day social media shows there defo would be a group in particular that specifically would avoid the brand yeah.

Cancel culture is fecking rife
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Which brands have suffered hugely as a result of individual representatives?
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but it still happened. I dont know about the repercussions of it and how true it is. Thats immaterial.

Were saying there could be backlash on it on the basis that its happened elsewhere
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You know it happened, but can't give examples?
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I gave one ... adidas
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And I pointed out that it resulted In huge losses, whilst the product and individual remain popular.
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Did they? I assume Kanye also lost out.... doesnt matter tho, you asked me to give an example of a sponsor pulling out.

I gave you a massive one. One of the biggest names in the world and one of the biggest brands in the world.

Were not debating whether or not it was good financial sense for them to do it at the time or if it will benefit them in the future. Were debating whether or not any sponsors might push back. You asked for an example I gave you one.
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I used Adidas as a example first.

They didn't get rid of Ribery at Bayern, which is a far closer comparison.
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cos they have shares in the club!

again it doesnt matter, you asked for an example of a sponsor pulling out.

You got one.
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So had far more potential to be harmed by their employees actions, and far more power to have him sacked/ sold.
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doest matter, you asked for an example , you got one.

anything else mr alt?
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And I have shown how it is an example of how unlikely it is that our biggest sponsor would walk away if Greenwood played again.
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No you said it wont happen, and I said it could. You asked for an example.

I gave you an example of one of the biggest names in the world and one of the biggest brands in the world that pulling out due to public and social media reactions.

Sponsors have already said they would consider legal action.

Given that Nike have already pulled the plug on Greenwoods deal.

Given that Man Utd themselves spoke to sponsors about the situation and have since had complete silence.

Given that DHL, Cadbury & Konami were launching their own investigations.

All highlight that sponsorship damage could be something to suggest he wont be back.
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Adidas is a terrible example for you to use.

Has 1 sponsor questioned the delay in the clubs process?

Have any said they will walk should he play again?

I guess will we have to just see. I look forward to saying I told you so 👍🏻
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you asked for an example you got one.

he lost many deals due to this, fact

Sponsors have said they will investigate so clearly do care.

Man Utd said they will investigate, so they clearly care, Man Utd have had meetings with the sponsors about it so there must be something to discuss.

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Serious question. Do you buy products BECAUSE of their affiliation with United, and would you stop if Greenwood played again?
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if people didnt then sponsors wouldnt exist !!!
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I know, right. Does this sometimes feel like some sort of alternative universe you've stumbled into here?

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Surprised RDD isn't here defending his boy
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He couldn't resist

The reply function should go the same way as RDD's new incarnation

Maybe you should contact all the big companies out there and let them know that they are wasting millions on marketing and brand management, because, you know, people just don't care.
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United chose to end the teamviewer shirt deal

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Wasn't it teamviewer that stopped the sponsorship deal
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No

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Elvis in this country you have to prove guilt not innocence. Being innocent isn't a charge

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Youre talking about a court of law. That's irrelevant now.
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So where else is there?
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Court of opinion. It is going to be hard for United to bring Mason back into the team unless the public opinion of him changes massively.
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Court of opinion. AKA vigilante. I'm sure he might get what's coming, one day

Anyway, as I said. I'm sure United will be very aware of this when they decide his future.

It all getting very silly now


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No I'm not talking about him getting battered by someone. What I am saying is that the general opinion of the public is that Mason is very bad person. And that makes it very difficult for United to bring him back into the first team, even without considering the potential financial implications. Unless Mason can do something to sway the publics opinion on him, I don't think he plays for United again.
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Most people don't give a toss either way.

Most United fans will accept

He is young and immature.
Their are things we don't know about what happened.
It was dropped following an investigation.
They are back together and expecting.

Nobody on here is willing to commit to not following United again should he return, so why do you think it would destroy the club?
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I didn't say that it will destroy the club. You've got me mistaken with someone else.

And I don't know a single United fan in real life that wants Mason back as things stand. To say that no-one gives a toss is the complete opposite of my experience. Some would be happy/ok with him coming back from these boards. Aside from that, the only people that want him back tend to be from Africa and post their opinions on social media.


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Some on here would be fine with it. That's the only measure we have.

How many fans do you know who have said they would boycott the club if he played again?

You have been very outspoken on this topic. Would you give up United if he played again?
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I don't think that the loss of fans is the main financial issue. Sponsorship and damage to reputation would be the biggest issue. Plenty of sponsors have dropped Mason. And we have had United sponsors stating that they are monitoring the situation. If Mason comes back there is going to be uproar from various women's domestic abuse groups and I'd expect the United women's team too. You seem to think that sponsors can just be replaced like that. But if they are replaced, it will be at a lower rate than the sponsor that they are replacing. The United commercial team has worked very hard and done a good job at finding those sponsorship deals and getting the best deals. A damaged reputation gives them less leverage when it comes to negotiating new deals with potential new sponsors.

There is a decision to be made as to whether the potential financial loss is worth more than Mason is. And that is without considering the club's reputation and moral standing.
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Why would sponsors have an issue, if the fans (their customers) didn't? All they want is their brand to be seen by the clubs TV audience / online following.

Would you honestly not buy Adidas products if United kept Greenwood?
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Sales drop when a brands reputation is damaged. I mean, it really is that simple. If you want to waste your time arguing against that then crack on. Maybe you should contact all the big companies out there and let them know that they are wasting millions on marketing and brand management, because, you know, people just don't care.
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Serious question. Do you buy products BECAUSE of their affiliation with United, and would you stop if Greenwood played again?
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if people didnt then sponsors wouldnt exist !!!
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Answer my.question

I look forward to saying i told you so to all those that disagree with me that the impactvshould he return, not be as catastrophic as has been made out.

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Elvis in this country you have to prove guilt not innocence. Being innocent isn't a charge

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Youre talking about a court of law. That's irrelevant now.
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So where else is there?
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Court of opinion. It is going to be hard for United to bring Mason back into the team unless the public opinion of him changes massively.
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Court of opinion. AKA vigilante. I'm sure he might get what's coming, one day

Anyway, as I said. I'm sure United will be very aware of this when they decide his future.

It all getting very silly now


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No I'm not talking about him getting battered by someone. What I am saying is that the general opinion of the public is that Mason is very bad person. And that makes it very difficult for United to bring him back into the first team, even without considering the potential financial implications. Unless Mason can do something to sway the publics opinion on him, I don't think he plays for United again.
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Most people don't give a toss either way.

Most United fans will accept

He is young and immature.
Their are things we don't know about what happened.
It was dropped following an investigation.
They are back together and expecting.

Nobody on here is willing to commit to not following United again should he return, so why do you think it would destroy the club?
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I didn't say that it will destroy the club. You've got me mistaken with someone else.

And I don't know a single United fan in real life that wants Mason back as things stand. To say that no-one gives a toss is the complete opposite of my experience. Some would be happy/ok with him coming back from these boards. Aside from that, the only people that want him back tend to be from Africa and post their opinions on social media.


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Some on here would be fine with it. That's the only measure we have.

How many fans do you know who have said they would boycott the club if he played again?

You have been very outspoken on this topic. Would you give up United if he played again?
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I don't think that the loss of fans is the main financial issue. Sponsorship and damage to reputation would be the biggest issue. Plenty of sponsors have dropped Mason. And we have had United sponsors stating that they are monitoring the situation. If Mason comes back there is going to be uproar from various women's domestic abuse groups and I'd expect the United women's team too. You seem to think that sponsors can just be replaced like that. But if they are replaced, it will be at a lower rate than the sponsor that they are replacing. The United commercial team has worked very hard and done a good job at finding those sponsorship deals and getting the best deals. A damaged reputation gives them less leverage when it comes to negotiating new deals with potential new sponsors.

There is a decision to be made as to whether the potential financial loss is worth more than Mason is. And that is without considering the club's reputation and moral standing.
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Why would sponsors have an issue, if the fans (their customers) didn't? All they want is their brand to be seen by the clubs TV audience / online following.

Would you honestly not buy Adidas products if United kept Greenwood?
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Sales drop when a brands reputation is damaged. I mean, it really is that simple. If you want to waste your time arguing against that then crack on. Maybe you should contact all the big companies out there and let them know that they are wasting millions on marketing and brand management, because, you know, people just don't care.
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Serious question. Do you buy products BECAUSE of their affiliation with United, and would you stop if Greenwood played again?
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if people didnt then sponsors wouldnt exist !!!
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Answer my.question
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yes.

I have tried products on the basis of them sponsoring my team. I never tried Carling til my club was sponsored by them. wasnt for me granted but I still tried it.

I had never even heard of 32red before they sponsored my team.

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United chose to end the teamviewer shirt deal

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Wasn't it teamviewer that stopped the sponsorship deal
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Manchester United has the option to buy back the rights to its shirt-front sponsorship from TeamViewer after the German software company said it would reduce its role with the Premier League team, according to Bloomberg.

It appears they could no longer afford the original deal as shirt front sponsors

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Will probably get dogs abuse for this but if he comes out and admits what he did and lists the steps he is taking to be a better person, I would forgive him and let him play for Utd again.
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He could do a TV interview with somedy sensible to explain things with either the truth or even his point of view. Although he doesnt actually have to explain himself to us or anybody in public for that matter. But he'd be foolish not to though, if he wants to start to put it behind him.

But if United, and Ten Hag decided that with all things considered it was ok for him to now return to the squad with a view to contributing on the pitch, then that's good enough for me. I dont think this will happen though.
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Indeed, there is potential redemption for him but he has to own up to what happened.

The club has to understand this and make sure this gets out accurately and also monitors his behaviour should there be a reoccurrence.

If he did that, I hope the manager would give him a chance.
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So you think that he comes out, admits he raped her/tried to rape her, apologises, and then everyone claps and is happy? What about the police? What about the CPS? Do they give him a little clap as well?
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The assault is what I am talking about. Not rape.