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Elvis in this country you have to prove guilt not innocence. Being innocent isn't a charge
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Youre talking about a court of law. That's irrelevant now.
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So where else is there?
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Court of opinion. It is going to be hard for United to bring Mason back into the team unless the public opinion of him changes massively.
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Court of opinion. AKA vigilante. I'm sure he might get what's coming, one day
Anyway, as I said. I'm sure United will be very aware of this when they decide his future.
It all getting very silly now
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No I'm not talking about him getting battered by someone. What I am saying is that the general opinion of the public is that Mason is very bad person. And that makes it very difficult for United to bring him back into the first team, even without considering the potential financial implications. Unless Mason can do something to sway the publics opinion on him, I don't think he plays for United again.
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Exactly what I said Elvis.
Maybe he does a TV interview.
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TV interview does feck all for him unless he puts forward some evidence that it was a s3x game. In which case Hariet could be in trouble for initially giving a statement against him/wasting police time/perverting the course of justice.
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Maybe.
Like I say I think that United will probably let him go rather than do a PR job in keeping him at the club.
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Me too. The risk is too great.
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What, specifically, is the great risk to United?
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public backlash, sponsorship legal action
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Public backlash. We arent about to see an exodus of fans if he plays again. Will you commit now to no longer following United if he plays again?
Sponsorship legal action - I'm sure this would be considered, but the shirt sponsorship has been cancelled early by us, already, suggesting we are confident of replacing them with a bigger / better deal.
Adidas aren't about to cut ties with United over this. They dropped Kanye West and made HUGE losses as a result, whilst Kanye West's trainers still sell for silly money.
Adidas didn't walk from Bayern Munich when Ribery was accused of 5ex with an underage girl. Neither did they insist Ribery be sacked.
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it doesnt have to be the club own fans but there will defo be an element within against it. It will be every other persons opinion and Man Utd are a brand, and the deals involved in sponsorship will heavily rely on the public general perception from fans and non fans.
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Sponsors are primarily paying to have their brand exposed to the viewing public. Not necessarily United fans.
Would many of us really not buy a pair of Adidas trainers or a Chevrolet car just because Greenwood stayed at United?
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Brands don't tend to like social media backlash and campaigns against them. What do you think might happen if Greenwood starts playing for us again?
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I don't think the backlash would be anywhere near enough to bother the sponsors.
If he played again, Iv no doubt he'd be booed and jeered for maybe the first season back, but football forgets pretty quickly.
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then I think your niave
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I think you are over estimating the impact.
What specifically do you think would happen if he played again for United?
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A TV interview sounds like the worst idea i've ever heard.
Remember Prince Andrew well it would be every bit as bad, Greenwood appears to be even less intelligent so it would be complete car crash TV.
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Greenwood's would have to be more of an apology and an explanation the effects of counselling are having with a huge dose of humility for it to be even half worth doing, I think it'd be how sincere he looked that might make it work (not sure even then).
Prince Andrew going on TV to announce he wasn't as noncey as we all thought actually was never going to work.
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He would have to explain the audio, why she then posted it? why the police got involved? how it took so long? how they got back together when he was banned from contacting her?
An absolute mine field for even an intelligent and articulate person to form and provide a cohesive story that leaves him in a good light or even just a more understanding light.
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Elvis in this country you have to prove guilt not innocence. Being innocent isn't a charge
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Youre talking about a court of law. That's irrelevant now.
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So where else is there?
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Court of opinion. It is going to be hard for United to bring Mason back into the team unless the public opinion of him changes massively.
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Court of opinion. AKA vigilante. I'm sure he might get what's coming, one day
Anyway, as I said. I'm sure United will be very aware of this when they decide his future.
It all getting very silly now
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No I'm not talking about him getting battered by someone. What I am saying is that the general opinion of the public is that Mason is very bad person. And that makes it very difficult for United to bring him back into the first team, even without considering the potential financial implications. Unless Mason can do something to sway the publics opinion on him, I don't think he plays for United again.
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Exactly what I said Elvis.
Maybe he does a TV interview.
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TV interview does feck all for him unless he puts forward some evidence that it was a s3x game. In which case Hariet could be in trouble for initially giving a statement against him/wasting police time/perverting the course of justice.
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Maybe.
Like I say I think that United will probably let him go rather than do a PR job in keeping him at the club.
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Me too. The risk is too great.
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What, specifically, is the great risk to United?
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public backlash, sponsorship legal action
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Public backlash. We arent about to see an exodus of fans if he plays again. Will you commit now to no longer following United if he plays again?
Sponsorship legal action - I'm sure this would be considered, but the shirt sponsorship has been cancelled early by us, already, suggesting we are confident of replacing them with a bigger / better deal.
Adidas aren't about to cut ties with United over this. They dropped Kanye West and made HUGE losses as a result, whilst Kanye West's trainers still sell for silly money.
Adidas didn't walk from Bayern Munich when Ribery was accused of 5ex with an underage girl. Neither did they insist Ribery be sacked.
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it doesnt have to be the club own fans but there will defo be an element within against it. It will be every other persons opinion and Man Utd are a brand, and the deals involved in sponsorship will heavily rely on the public general perception from fans and non fans.
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Sponsors are primarily paying to have their brand exposed to the viewing public. Not necessarily United fans.
Would many of us really not buy a pair of Adidas trainers or a Chevrolet car just because Greenwood stayed at United?
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I think in this day social media shows there defo would be a group in particular that specifically would avoid the brand yeah.
Cancel culture is fecking rife
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Which brands have suffered hugely as a result of individual representatives?
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but it still happened. I dont know about the repercussions of it and how true it is. Thats immaterial.
Were saying there could be backlash on it on the basis that its happened elsewhere
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Adidas literally pulled out of the Kanye deal due to public image and backlash.
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Over proven racism, and the result, they made huge losses, whilst the trainers still sell.
The equivalent here would be
Adidas leave United, making huge losses, whilst, Greenwood and United continue to be succesful / popular.
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Elvis in this country you have to prove guilt not innocence. Being innocent isn't a charge
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Youre talking about a court of law. That's irrelevant now.
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So where else is there?
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Court of opinion. It is going to be hard for United to bring Mason back into the team unless the public opinion of him changes massively.
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Court of opinion. AKA vigilante. I'm sure he might get what's coming, one day
Anyway, as I said. I'm sure United will be very aware of this when they decide his future.
It all getting very silly now
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No I'm not talking about him getting battered by someone. What I am saying is that the general opinion of the public is that Mason is very bad person. And that makes it very difficult for United to bring him back into the first team, even without considering the potential financial implications. Unless Mason can do something to sway the publics opinion on him, I don't think he plays for United again.
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Exactly what I said Elvis.
Maybe he does a TV interview.
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TV interview does feck all for him unless he puts forward some evidence that it was a s3x game. In which case Hariet could be in trouble for initially giving a statement against him/wasting police time/perverting the course of justice.
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Maybe.
Like I say I think that United will probably let him go rather than do a PR job in keeping him at the club.
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Me too. The risk is too great.
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What, specifically, is the great risk to United?
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public backlash, sponsorship legal action
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Public backlash. We arent about to see an exodus of fans if he plays again. Will you commit now to no longer following United if he plays again?
Sponsorship legal action - I'm sure this would be considered, but the shirt sponsorship has been cancelled early by us, already, suggesting we are confident of replacing them with a bigger / better deal.
Adidas aren't about to cut ties with United over this. They dropped Kanye West and made HUGE losses as a result, whilst Kanye West's trainers still sell for silly money.
Adidas didn't walk from Bayern Munich when Ribery was accused of 5ex with an underage girl. Neither did they insist Ribery be sacked.
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it doesnt have to be the club own fans but there will defo be an element within against it. It will be every other persons opinion and Man Utd are a brand, and the deals involved in sponsorship will heavily rely on the public general perception from fans and non fans.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sponsors are primarily paying to have their brand exposed to the viewing public. Not necessarily United fans.
Would many of us really not buy a pair of Adidas trainers or a Chevrolet car just because Greenwood stayed at United?
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Brands don't tend to like social media backlash and campaigns against them. What do you think might happen if Greenwood starts playing for us again?
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I don't think the backlash would be anywhere near enough to bother the sponsors.
If he played again, Iv no doubt he'd be booed and jeered for maybe the first season back, but football forgets pretty quickly.
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then I think your niave
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I think you are over estimating the impact.
What specifically do you think would happen if he played again for United?
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How can I possibly answer that... I dont know the intricate clauses and terms and conditions of the deals Man Utd has with all their partners ?!
I would say that there is a good chance some of them will react the same way other brands have reacted to similar public social media outcry.
it might be a bull$hit world we live in now but its the way it is.
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Elvis in this country you have to prove guilt not innocence. Being innocent isn't a charge
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Youre talking about a court of law. That's irrelevant now.
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So where else is there?
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Court of opinion. It is going to be hard for United to bring Mason back into the team unless the public opinion of him changes massively.
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Court of opinion. AKA vigilante. I'm sure he might get what's coming, one day
Anyway, as I said. I'm sure United will be very aware of this when they decide his future.
It all getting very silly now
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No I'm not talking about him getting battered by someone. What I am saying is that the general opinion of the public is that Mason is very bad person. And that makes it very difficult for United to bring him back into the first team, even without considering the potential financial implications. Unless Mason can do something to sway the publics opinion on him, I don't think he plays for United again.
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Most people don't give a toss either way.
Most United fans will accept
He is young and immature.
Their are things we don't know about what happened.
It was dropped following an investigation.
They are back together and expecting.
Nobody on here is willing to commit to not following United again should he return, so why do you think it would destroy the club?
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I didn't say that it will destroy the club. You've got me mistaken with someone else.
And I don't know a single United fan in real life that wants Mason back as things stand. To say that no-one gives a toss is the complete opposite of my experience. Some would be happy/ok with him coming back from these boards. Aside from that, the only people that want him back tend to be from Africa and post their opinions on social media.
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Elvis in this country you have to prove guilt not innocence. Being innocent isn't a charge
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Youre talking about a court of law. That's irrelevant now.
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So where else is there?
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Court of opinion. It is going to be hard for United to bring Mason back into the team unless the public opinion of him changes massively.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Court of opinion. AKA vigilante. I'm sure he might get what's coming, one day
Anyway, as I said. I'm sure United will be very aware of this when they decide his future.
It all getting very silly now
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No I'm not talking about him getting battered by someone. What I am saying is that the general opinion of the public is that Mason is very bad person. And that makes it very difficult for United to bring him back into the first team, even without considering the potential financial implications. Unless Mason can do something to sway the publics opinion on him, I don't think he plays for United again.
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Exactly what I said Elvis.
Maybe he does a TV interview.
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TV interview does feck all for him unless he puts forward some evidence that it was a s3x game. In which case Hariet could be in trouble for initially giving a statement against him/wasting police time/perverting the course of justice.
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Maybe.
Like I say I think that United will probably let him go rather than do a PR job in keeping him at the club.
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Me too. The risk is too great.
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What, specifically, is the great risk to United?
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public backlash, sponsorship legal action
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Public backlash. We arent about to see an exodus of fans if he plays again. Will you commit now to no longer following United if he plays again?
Sponsorship legal action - I'm sure this would be considered, but the shirt sponsorship has been cancelled early by us, already, suggesting we are confident of replacing them with a bigger / better deal.
Adidas aren't about to cut ties with United over this. They dropped Kanye West and made HUGE losses as a result, whilst Kanye West's trainers still sell for silly money.
Adidas didn't walk from Bayern Munich when Ribery was accused of 5ex with an underage girl. Neither did they insist Ribery be sacked.
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it doesnt have to be the club own fans but there will defo be an element within against it. It will be every other persons opinion and Man Utd are a brand, and the deals involved in sponsorship will heavily rely on the public general perception from fans and non fans.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sponsors are primarily paying to have their brand exposed to the viewing public. Not necessarily United fans.
Would many of us really not buy a pair of Adidas trainers or a Chevrolet car just because Greenwood stayed at United?
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I think in this day social media shows there defo would be a group in particular that specifically would avoid the brand yeah.
Cancel culture is fecking rife
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Which brands have suffered hugely as a result of individual representatives?
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but it still happened. I dont know about the repercussions of it and how true it is. Thats immaterial.
Were saying there could be backlash on it on the basis that its happened elsewhere
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You know it happened, but can't give examples?
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Elvis in this country you have to prove guilt not innocence. Being innocent isn't a charge
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Youre talking about a court of law. That's irrelevant now.
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So where else is there?
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Court of opinion. It is going to be hard for United to bring Mason back into the team unless the public opinion of him changes massively.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Court of opinion. AKA vigilante. I'm sure he might get what's coming, one day
Anyway, as I said. I'm sure United will be very aware of this when they decide his future.
It all getting very silly now
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No I'm not talking about him getting battered by someone. What I am saying is that the general opinion of the public is that Mason is very bad person. And that makes it very difficult for United to bring him back into the first team, even without considering the potential financial implications. Unless Mason can do something to sway the publics opinion on him, I don't think he plays for United again.
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Exactly what I said Elvis.
Maybe he does a TV interview.
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TV interview does feck all for him unless he puts forward some evidence that it was a s3x game. In which case Hariet could be in trouble for initially giving a statement against him/wasting police time/perverting the course of justice.
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Maybe.
Like I say I think that United will probably let him go rather than do a PR job in keeping him at the club.
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Me too. The risk is too great.
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What, specifically, is the great risk to United?
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public backlash, sponsorship legal action
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Public backlash. We arent about to see an exodus of fans if he plays again. Will you commit now to no longer following United if he plays again?
Sponsorship legal action - I'm sure this would be considered, but the shirt sponsorship has been cancelled early by us, already, suggesting we are confident of replacing them with a bigger / better deal.
Adidas aren't about to cut ties with United over this. They dropped Kanye West and made HUGE losses as a result, whilst Kanye West's trainers still sell for silly money.
Adidas didn't walk from Bayern Munich when Ribery was accused of 5ex with an underage girl. Neither did they insist Ribery be sacked.
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it doesnt have to be the club own fans but there will defo be an element within against it. It will be every other persons opinion and Man Utd are a brand, and the deals involved in sponsorship will heavily rely on the public general perception from fans and non fans.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sponsors are primarily paying to have their brand exposed to the viewing public. Not necessarily United fans.
Would many of us really not buy a pair of Adidas trainers or a Chevrolet car just because Greenwood stayed at United?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think in this day social media shows there defo would be a group in particular that specifically would avoid the brand yeah.
Cancel culture is fecking rife
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Which brands have suffered hugely as a result of individual representatives?
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but it still happened. I dont know about the repercussions of it and how true it is. Thats immaterial.
Were saying there could be backlash on it on the basis that its happened elsewhere
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You know it happened, but can't give examples?
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I gave one ... adidas
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Elvis in this country you have to prove guilt not innocence. Being innocent isn't a charge
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Youre talking about a court of law. That's irrelevant now.
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So where else is there?
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Court of opinion. It is going to be hard for United to bring Mason back into the team unless the public opinion of him changes massively.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Court of opinion. AKA vigilante. I'm sure he might get what's coming, one day
Anyway, as I said. I'm sure United will be very aware of this when they decide his future.
It all getting very silly now
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No I'm not talking about him getting battered by someone. What I am saying is that the general opinion of the public is that Mason is very bad person. And that makes it very difficult for United to bring him back into the first team, even without considering the potential financial implications. Unless Mason can do something to sway the publics opinion on him, I don't think he plays for United again.
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Exactly what I said Elvis.
Maybe he does a TV interview.
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TV interview does feck all for him unless he puts forward some evidence that it was a s3x game. In which case Hariet could be in trouble for initially giving a statement against him/wasting police time/perverting the course of justice.
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Maybe.
Like I say I think that United will probably let him go rather than do a PR job in keeping him at the club.
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Me too. The risk is too great.
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What, specifically, is the great risk to United?
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public backlash, sponsorship legal action
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Public backlash. We arent about to see an exodus of fans if he plays again. Will you commit now to no longer following United if he plays again?
Sponsorship legal action - I'm sure this would be considered, but the shirt sponsorship has been cancelled early by us, already, suggesting we are confident of replacing them with a bigger / better deal.
Adidas aren't about to cut ties with United over this. They dropped Kanye West and made HUGE losses as a result, whilst Kanye West's trainers still sell for silly money.
Adidas didn't walk from Bayern Munich when Ribery was accused of 5ex with an underage girl. Neither did they insist Ribery be sacked.
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it doesnt have to be the club own fans but there will defo be an element within against it. It will be every other persons opinion and Man Utd are a brand, and the deals involved in sponsorship will heavily rely on the public general perception from fans and non fans.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sponsors are primarily paying to have their brand exposed to the viewing public. Not necessarily United fans.
Would many of us really not buy a pair of Adidas trainers or a Chevrolet car just because Greenwood stayed at United?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Brands don't tend to like social media backlash and campaigns against them. What do you think might happen if Greenwood starts playing for us again?
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I don't think the backlash would be anywhere near enough to bother the sponsors.
If he played again, Iv no doubt he'd be booed and jeered for maybe the first season back, but football forgets pretty quickly.
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then I think your niave
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I think you are over estimating the impact.
What specifically do you think would happen if he played again for United?
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How can I possibly answer that... I dont know the intricate clauses and terms and conditions of the deals Man Utd has with all their partners ?!
I would say that there is a good chance some of them will react the same way other brands have reacted to similar public social media outcry.
it might be a bull$hit world we live in now but its the way it is.
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I asked what you thought would happen. You must have an idea seeing as you insist it would be a terrible decision to let him back.
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Elvis in this country you have to prove guilt not innocence. Being innocent isn't a charge
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Youre talking about a court of law. That's irrelevant now.
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So where else is there?
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Court of opinion. It is going to be hard for United to bring Mason back into the team unless the public opinion of him changes massively.
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Court of opinion. AKA vigilante. I'm sure he might get what's coming, one day
Anyway, as I said. I'm sure United will be very aware of this when they decide his future.
It all getting very silly now
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No I'm not talking about him getting battered by someone. What I am saying is that the general opinion of the public is that Mason is very bad person. And that makes it very difficult for United to bring him back into the first team, even without considering the potential financial implications. Unless Mason can do something to sway the publics opinion on him, I don't think he plays for United again.
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Exactly what I said Elvis.
Maybe he does a TV interview.
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TV interview does feck all for him unless he puts forward some evidence that it was a s3x game. In which case Hariet could be in trouble for initially giving a statement against him/wasting police time/perverting the course of justice.
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He doesnt have to provide evidence to placate some people who are outraged on behalf of the girl who wasn't prepared to give evidence against him and is back with him and having his child.
Yes, some abuse victims stay with their abusers, but that doesn't mean she is with him for the wrong reasons.
And the police are not about to pursue a pregnant young girl on such charges,.especially if you believe she is being co erred/ manipulated.
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I am not saying he has to do anything. It is his life and his choice. I just don't believe that the club will bring him back unless public opinion on him changes massively. And I can't see that happening unless he/they make some kind of statement or have some kind of interview.
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comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 21 minutes ago
Elvis in this country you have to prove guilt not innocence. Being innocent isn't a charge
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Youre talking about a court of law. That's irrelevant now.
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So where else is there?
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Court of opinion. It is going to be hard for United to bring Mason back into the team unless the public opinion of him changes massively.
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Court of opinion. AKA vigilante. I'm sure he might get what's coming, one day
Anyway, as I said. I'm sure United will be very aware of this when they decide his future.
It all getting very silly now
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No I'm not talking about him getting battered by someone. What I am saying is that the general opinion of the public is that Mason is very bad person. And that makes it very difficult for United to bring him back into the first team, even without considering the potential financial implications. Unless Mason can do something to sway the publics opinion on him, I don't think he plays for United again.
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Exactly what I said Elvis.
Maybe he does a TV interview.
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TV interview does feck all for him unless he puts forward some evidence that it was a s3x game. In which case Hariet could be in trouble for initially giving a statement against him/wasting police time/perverting the course of justice.
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Maybe.
Like I say I think that United will probably let him go rather than do a PR job in keeping him at the club.
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Me too. The risk is too great.
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What, specifically, is the great risk to United?
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public backlash, sponsorship legal action
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Public backlash. We arent about to see an exodus of fans if he plays again. Will you commit now to no longer following United if he plays again?
Sponsorship legal action - I'm sure this would be considered, but the shirt sponsorship has been cancelled early by us, already, suggesting we are confident of replacing them with a bigger / better deal.
Adidas aren't about to cut ties with United over this. They dropped Kanye West and made HUGE losses as a result, whilst Kanye West's trainers still sell for silly money.
Adidas didn't walk from Bayern Munich when Ribery was accused of 5ex with an underage girl. Neither did they insist Ribery be sacked.
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it doesnt have to be the club own fans but there will defo be an element within against it. It will be every other persons opinion and Man Utd are a brand, and the deals involved in sponsorship will heavily rely on the public general perception from fans and non fans.
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Sponsors are primarily paying to have their brand exposed to the viewing public. Not necessarily United fans.
Would many of us really not buy a pair of Adidas trainers or a Chevrolet car just because Greenwood stayed at United?
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I think in this day social media shows there defo would be a group in particular that specifically would avoid the brand yeah.
Cancel culture is fecking rife
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Which brands have suffered hugely as a result of individual representatives?
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but it still happened. I dont know about the repercussions of it and how true it is. Thats immaterial.
Were saying there could be backlash on it on the basis that its happened elsewhere
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You know it happened, but can't give examples?
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I gave one ... adidas
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And I pointed out that it resulted In huge losses, whilst the product and individual remain popular.
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posted 38 minutes ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
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Young and immature is a hilarious excuse to use for potential domestic abuse
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I was talking more as an explanation for getting into such a stupid situation (girlfriend recording you, it being leaked)
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Very stupid to let yourself get taped when raping.
Ah, the young and foolish scamp.
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comment by Elvis (U7425)
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comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 21 minutes ago
Elvis in this country you have to prove guilt not innocence. Being innocent isn't a charge
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Youre talking about a court of law. That's irrelevant now.
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So where else is there?
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Court of opinion. It is going to be hard for United to bring Mason back into the team unless the public opinion of him changes massively.
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Court of opinion. AKA vigilante. I'm sure he might get what's coming, one day
Anyway, as I said. I'm sure United will be very aware of this when they decide his future.
It all getting very silly now
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No I'm not talking about him getting battered by someone. What I am saying is that the general opinion of the public is that Mason is very bad person. And that makes it very difficult for United to bring him back into the first team, even without considering the potential financial implications. Unless Mason can do something to sway the publics opinion on him, I don't think he plays for United again.
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Exactly what I said Elvis.
Maybe he does a TV interview.
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TV interview does feck all for him unless he puts forward some evidence that it was a s3x game. In which case Hariet could be in trouble for initially giving a statement against him/wasting police time/perverting the course of justice.
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Maybe.
Like I say I think that United will probably let him go rather than do a PR job in keeping him at the club.
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Me too. The risk is too great.
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What, specifically, is the great risk to United?
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Money. Reputation. Its not rocket science.
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Dave the Save (U22987)
posted 1 hour, 22 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 14 hours, 56 minutes ago
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comment by Elvis (U7425)
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comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 21 minutes ago
Elvis in this country you have to prove guilt not innocence. Being innocent isn't a charge
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Youre talking about a court of law. That's irrelevant now.
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So where else is there?
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Court of opinion. It is going to be hard for United to bring Mason back into the team unless the public opinion of him changes massively.
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Court of opinion. AKA vigilante. I'm sure he might get what's coming, one day
Anyway, as I said. I'm sure United will be very aware of this when they decide his future.
It all getting very silly now
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No I'm not talking about him getting battered by someone. What I am saying is that the general opinion of the public is that Mason is very bad person. And that makes it very difficult for United to bring him back into the first team, even without considering the potential financial implications. Unless Mason can do something to sway the publics opinion on him, I don't think he plays for United again.
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Most people don't give a toss either way.
Most United fans will accept
He is young and immature.
Their are things we don't know about what happened.
It was dropped following an investigation.
They are back together and expecting.
Nobody on here is willing to commit to not following United again should he return, so why do you think it would destroy the club?
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I didn't say that it will destroy the club. You've got me mistaken with someone else.
And I don't know a single United fan in real life that wants Mason back as things stand. To say that no-one gives a toss is the complete opposite of my experience. Some would be happy/ok with him coming back from these boards. Aside from that, the only people that want him back tend to be from Africa and post their opinions on social media.
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Some on here would be fine with it. That's the only measure we have.
How many fans do you know who have said they would boycott the club if he played again?
You have been very outspoken on this topic. Would you give up United if he played again?
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comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 21 minutes ago
Elvis in this country you have to prove guilt not innocence. Being innocent isn't a charge
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Youre talking about a court of law. That's irrelevant now.
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So where else is there?
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Court of opinion. It is going to be hard for United to bring Mason back into the team unless the public opinion of him changes massively.
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Court of opinion. AKA vigilante. I'm sure he might get what's coming, one day
Anyway, as I said. I'm sure United will be very aware of this when they decide his future.
It all getting very silly now
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No I'm not talking about him getting battered by someone. What I am saying is that the general opinion of the public is that Mason is very bad person. And that makes it very difficult for United to bring him back into the first team, even without considering the potential financial implications. Unless Mason can do something to sway the publics opinion on him, I don't think he plays for United again.
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Exactly what I said Elvis.
Maybe he does a TV interview.
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TV interview does feck all for him unless he puts forward some evidence that it was a s3x game. In which case Hariet could be in trouble for initially giving a statement against him/wasting police time/perverting the course of justice.
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Maybe.
Like I say I think that United will probably let him go rather than do a PR job in keeping him at the club.
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Me too. The risk is too great.
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What, specifically, is the great risk to United?
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public backlash, sponsorship legal action
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Public backlash. We arent about to see an exodus of fans if he plays again. Will you commit now to no longer following United if he plays again?
Sponsorship legal action - I'm sure this would be considered, but the shirt sponsorship has been cancelled early by us, already, suggesting we are confident of replacing them with a bigger / better deal.
Adidas aren't about to cut ties with United over this. They dropped Kanye West and made HUGE losses as a result, whilst Kanye West's trainers still sell for silly money.
Adidas didn't walk from Bayern Munich when Ribery was accused of 5ex with an underage girl. Neither did they insist Ribery be sacked.
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it doesnt have to be the club own fans but there will defo be an element within against it. It will be every other persons opinion and Man Utd are a brand, and the deals involved in sponsorship will heavily rely on the public general perception from fans and non fans.
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Sponsors are primarily paying to have their brand exposed to the viewing public. Not necessarily United fans.
Would many of us really not buy a pair of Adidas trainers or a Chevrolet car just because Greenwood stayed at United?
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I think in this day social media shows there defo would be a group in particular that specifically would avoid the brand yeah.
Cancel culture is fecking rife
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Which brands have suffered hugely as a result of individual representatives?
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but it still happened. I dont know about the repercussions of it and how true it is. Thats immaterial.
Were saying there could be backlash on it on the basis that its happened elsewhere
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You know it happened, but can't give examples?
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I gave one ... adidas
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And I pointed out that it resulted In huge losses, whilst the product and individual remain popular.
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Did they? I assume Kanye also lost out.... doesnt matter tho, you asked me to give an example of a sponsor pulling out.
I gave you a massive one. One of the biggest names in the world and one of the biggest brands in the world.
Were not debating whether or not it was good financial sense for them to do it at the time or if it will benefit them in the future. Were debating whether or not any sponsors might push back. You asked for an example I gave you one.
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comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 21 minutes ago
Elvis in this country you have to prove guilt not innocence. Being innocent isn't a charge
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Youre talking about a court of law. That's irrelevant now.
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So where else is there?
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Court of opinion. It is going to be hard for United to bring Mason back into the team unless the public opinion of him changes massively.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Court of opinion. AKA vigilante. I'm sure he might get what's coming, one day
Anyway, as I said. I'm sure United will be very aware of this when they decide his future.
It all getting very silly now
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No I'm not talking about him getting battered by someone. What I am saying is that the general opinion of the public is that Mason is very bad person. And that makes it very difficult for United to bring him back into the first team, even without considering the potential financial implications. Unless Mason can do something to sway the publics opinion on him, I don't think he plays for United again.
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Most people don't give a toss either way.
Most United fans will accept
He is young and immature.
Their are things we don't know about what happened.
It was dropped following an investigation.
They are back together and expecting.
Nobody on here is willing to commit to not following United again should he return, so why do you think it would destroy the club?
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I didn't say that it will destroy the club. You've got me mistaken with someone else.
And I don't know a single United fan in real life that wants Mason back as things stand. To say that no-one gives a toss is the complete opposite of my experience. Some would be happy/ok with him coming back from these boards. Aside from that, the only people that want him back tend to be from Africa and post their opinions on social media.
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Some on here would be fine with it. That's the only measure we have.
How many fans do you know who have said they would boycott the club if he played again?
You have been very outspoken on this topic. Would you give up United if he played again?
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you do now that there are other ways it can affect them rather than just boycotting the club!
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comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 21 minutes ago
Elvis in this country you have to prove guilt not innocence. Being innocent isn't a charge
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Youre talking about a court of law. That's irrelevant now.
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So where else is there?
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Court of opinion. It is going to be hard for United to bring Mason back into the team unless the public opinion of him changes massively.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Court of opinion. AKA vigilante. I'm sure he might get what's coming, one day
Anyway, as I said. I'm sure United will be very aware of this when they decide his future.
It all getting very silly now
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No I'm not talking about him getting battered by someone. What I am saying is that the general opinion of the public is that Mason is very bad person. And that makes it very difficult for United to bring him back into the first team, even without considering the potential financial implications. Unless Mason can do something to sway the publics opinion on him, I don't think he plays for United again.
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Exactly what I said Elvis.
Maybe he does a TV interview.
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TV interview does feck all for him unless he puts forward some evidence that it was a s3x game. In which case Hariet could be in trouble for initially giving a statement against him/wasting police time/perverting the course of justice.
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Maybe.
Like I say I think that United will probably let him go rather than do a PR job in keeping him at the club.
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Me too. The risk is too great.
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What, specifically, is the great risk to United?
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Money. Reputation. Its not rocket science.
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Money how?
Reputation damaged with who? Not our own match going fans. Not those that pay to watch on TV. Unlikely to be those that use sponsor brands because of their affiliation with United.
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posted 21 minutes ago
Elvis in this country you have to prove guilt not innocence. Being innocent isn't a charge
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Youre talking about a court of law. That's irrelevant now.
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So where else is there?
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Court of opinion. It is going to be hard for United to bring Mason back into the team unless the public opinion of him changes massively.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Court of opinion. AKA vigilante. I'm sure he might get what's coming, one day
Anyway, as I said. I'm sure United will be very aware of this when they decide his future.
It all getting very silly now
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No I'm not talking about him getting battered by someone. What I am saying is that the general opinion of the public is that Mason is very bad person. And that makes it very difficult for United to bring him back into the first team, even without considering the potential financial implications. Unless Mason can do something to sway the publics opinion on him, I don't think he plays for United again.
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Exactly what I said Elvis.
Maybe he does a TV interview.
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TV interview does feck all for him unless he puts forward some evidence that it was a s3x game. In which case Hariet could be in trouble for initially giving a statement against him/wasting police time/perverting the course of justice.
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Maybe.
Like I say I think that United will probably let him go rather than do a PR job in keeping him at the club.
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Me too. The risk is too great.
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What, specifically, is the great risk to United?
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public backlash, sponsorship legal action
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Public backlash. We arent about to see an exodus of fans if he plays again. Will you commit now to no longer following United if he plays again?
Sponsorship legal action - I'm sure this would be considered, but the shirt sponsorship has been cancelled early by us, already, suggesting we are confident of replacing them with a bigger / better deal.
Adidas aren't about to cut ties with United over this. They dropped Kanye West and made HUGE losses as a result, whilst Kanye West's trainers still sell for silly money.
Adidas didn't walk from Bayern Munich when Ribery was accused of 5ex with an underage girl. Neither did they insist Ribery be sacked.
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it doesnt have to be the club own fans but there will defo be an element within against it. It will be every other persons opinion and Man Utd are a brand, and the deals involved in sponsorship will heavily rely on the public general perception from fans and non fans.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sponsors are primarily paying to have their brand exposed to the viewing public. Not necessarily United fans.
Would many of us really not buy a pair of Adidas trainers or a Chevrolet car just because Greenwood stayed at United?
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I think in this day social media shows there defo would be a group in particular that specifically would avoid the brand yeah.
Cancel culture is fecking rife
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Which brands have suffered hugely as a result of individual representatives?
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but it still happened. I dont know about the repercussions of it and how true it is. Thats immaterial.
Were saying there could be backlash on it on the basis that its happened elsewhere
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You know it happened, but can't give examples?
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I gave one ... adidas
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And I pointed out that it resulted In huge losses, whilst the product and individual remain popular.
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Did they? I assume Kanye also lost out.... doesnt matter tho, you asked me to give an example of a sponsor pulling out.
I gave you a massive one. One of the biggest names in the world and one of the biggest brands in the world.
Were not debating whether or not it was good financial sense for them to do it at the time or if it will benefit them in the future. Were debating whether or not any sponsors might push back. You asked for an example I gave you one.
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I used Adidas as a example first.
They didn't get rid of Ribery at Bayern, which is a far closer comparison.
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Elvis in this country you have to prove guilt not innocence. Being innocent isn't a charge
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Youre talking about a court of law. That's irrelevant now.
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So where else is there?
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Court of opinion. It is going to be hard for United to bring Mason back into the team unless the public opinion of him changes massively.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Court of opinion. AKA vigilante. I'm sure he might get what's coming, one day
Anyway, as I said. I'm sure United will be very aware of this when they decide his future.
It all getting very silly now
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No I'm not talking about him getting battered by someone. What I am saying is that the general opinion of the public is that Mason is very bad person. And that makes it very difficult for United to bring him back into the first team, even without considering the potential financial implications. Unless Mason can do something to sway the publics opinion on him, I don't think he plays for United again.
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Exactly what I said Elvis.
Maybe he does a TV interview.
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TV interview does feck all for him unless he puts forward some evidence that it was a s3x game. In which case Hariet could be in trouble for initially giving a statement against him/wasting police time/perverting the course of justice.
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Maybe.
Like I say I think that United will probably let him go rather than do a PR job in keeping him at the club.
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Me too. The risk is too great.
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What, specifically, is the great risk to United?
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public backlash, sponsorship legal action
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Public backlash. We arent about to see an exodus of fans if he plays again. Will you commit now to no longer following United if he plays again?
Sponsorship legal action - I'm sure this would be considered, but the shirt sponsorship has been cancelled early by us, already, suggesting we are confident of replacing them with a bigger / better deal.
Adidas aren't about to cut ties with United over this. They dropped Kanye West and made HUGE losses as a result, whilst Kanye West's trainers still sell for silly money.
Adidas didn't walk from Bayern Munich when Ribery was accused of 5ex with an underage girl. Neither did they insist Ribery be sacked.
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it doesnt have to be the club own fans but there will defo be an element within against it. It will be every other persons opinion and Man Utd are a brand, and the deals involved in sponsorship will heavily rely on the public general perception from fans and non fans.
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Sponsors are primarily paying to have their brand exposed to the viewing public. Not necessarily United fans.
Would many of us really not buy a pair of Adidas trainers or a Chevrolet car just because Greenwood stayed at United?
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I think in this day social media shows there defo would be a group in particular that specifically would avoid the brand yeah.
Cancel culture is fecking rife
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Which brands have suffered hugely as a result of individual representatives?
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but it still happened. I dont know about the repercussions of it and how true it is. Thats immaterial.
Were saying there could be backlash on it on the basis that its happened elsewhere
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You know it happened, but can't give examples?
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I gave one ... adidas
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And I pointed out that it resulted In huge losses, whilst the product and individual remain popular.
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Did they? I assume Kanye also lost out.... doesnt matter tho, you asked me to give an example of a sponsor pulling out.
I gave you a massive one. One of the biggest names in the world and one of the biggest brands in the world.
Were not debating whether or not it was good financial sense for them to do it at the time or if it will benefit them in the future. Were debating whether or not any sponsors might push back. You asked for an example I gave you one.
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I used Adidas as a example first.
They didn't get rid of Ribery at Bayern, which is a far closer comparison.
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cos they have shares in the club!
again it doesnt matter, you asked for an example of a sponsor pulling out.
You got one.
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Elvis in this country you have to prove guilt not innocence. Being innocent isn't a charge
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Youre talking about a court of law. That's irrelevant now.
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So where else is there?
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Court of opinion. It is going to be hard for United to bring Mason back into the team unless the public opinion of him changes massively.
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Court of opinion. AKA vigilante. I'm sure he might get what's coming, one day
Anyway, as I said. I'm sure United will be very aware of this when they decide his future.
It all getting very silly now
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No I'm not talking about him getting battered by someone. What I am saying is that the general opinion of the public is that Mason is very bad person. And that makes it very difficult for United to bring him back into the first team, even without considering the potential financial implications. Unless Mason can do something to sway the publics opinion on him, I don't think he plays for United again.
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Exactly what I said Elvis.
Maybe he does a TV interview.
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TV interview does feck all for him unless he puts forward some evidence that it was a s3x game. In which case Hariet could be in trouble for initially giving a statement against him/wasting police time/perverting the course of justice.
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Maybe.
Like I say I think that United will probably let him go rather than do a PR job in keeping him at the club.
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Me too. The risk is too great.
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What, specifically, is the great risk to United?
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public backlash, sponsorship legal action
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Public backlash. We arent about to see an exodus of fans if he plays again. Will you commit now to no longer following United if he plays again?
Sponsorship legal action - I'm sure this would be considered, but the shirt sponsorship has been cancelled early by us, already, suggesting we are confident of replacing them with a bigger / better deal.
Adidas aren't about to cut ties with United over this. They dropped Kanye West and made HUGE losses as a result, whilst Kanye West's trainers still sell for silly money.
Adidas didn't walk from Bayern Munich when Ribery was accused of 5ex with an underage girl. Neither did they insist Ribery be sacked.
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it doesnt have to be the club own fans but there will defo be an element within against it. It will be every other persons opinion and Man Utd are a brand, and the deals involved in sponsorship will heavily rely on the public general perception from fans and non fans.
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Sponsors are primarily paying to have their brand exposed to the viewing public. Not necessarily United fans.
Would many of us really not buy a pair of Adidas trainers or a Chevrolet car just because Greenwood stayed at United?
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I think in this day social media shows there defo would be a group in particular that specifically would avoid the brand yeah.
Cancel culture is fecking rife
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Which brands have suffered hugely as a result of individual representatives?
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but it still happened. I dont know about the repercussions of it and how true it is. Thats immaterial.
Were saying there could be backlash on it on the basis that its happened elsewhere
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You know it happened, but can't give examples?
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I gave one ... adidas
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And I pointed out that it resulted In huge losses, whilst the product and individual remain popular.
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Did they? I assume Kanye also lost out.... doesnt matter tho, you asked me to give an example of a sponsor pulling out.
I gave you a massive one. One of the biggest names in the world and one of the biggest brands in the world.
Were not debating whether or not it was good financial sense for them to do it at the time or if it will benefit them in the future. Were debating whether or not any sponsors might push back. You asked for an example I gave you one.
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What other reason, ultimately, oher than financial, would a sponsor 'push back' 😁
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A TV interview sounds like the worst idea i've ever heard.
Remember Prince Andrew well it would be every bit as bad, Greenwood appears to be even less intelligent so it would be complete car crash TV.
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Greenwood's would have to be more of an apology and an explanation the effects of counselling are having with a huge dose of humility for it to be even half worth doing, I think it'd be how sincere he looked that might make it work (not sure even then).
Prince Andrew going on TV to announce he wasn't as noncey as we all thought actually was never going to work.
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He would have to explain the audio, why she then posted it? why the police got involved? how it took so long? how they got back together when he was banned from contacting her?
An absolute mine field for even an intelligent and articulate person to form and provide a cohesive story that leaves him in a good light or even just a more understanding light.
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You're absoutely correct. It'd have to be framed the right way and be a massive mea culpa, which I can't see happening anyway. He's finished with United, and the only people that seem to want him back are the overseas mob on twitter
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Elvis in this country you have to prove guilt not innocence. Being innocent isn't a charge
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Youre talking about a court of law. That's irrelevant now.
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So where else is there?
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Court of opinion. It is going to be hard for United to bring Mason back into the team unless the public opinion of him changes massively.
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Court of opinion. AKA vigilante. I'm sure he might get what's coming, one day
Anyway, as I said. I'm sure United will be very aware of this when they decide his future.
It all getting very silly now
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No I'm not talking about him getting battered by someone. What I am saying is that the general opinion of the public is that Mason is very bad person. And that makes it very difficult for United to bring him back into the first team, even without considering the potential financial implications. Unless Mason can do something to sway the publics opinion on him, I don't think he plays for United again.
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Exactly what I said Elvis.
Maybe he does a TV interview.
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TV interview does feck all for him unless he puts forward some evidence that it was a s3x game. In which case Hariet could be in trouble for initially giving a statement against him/wasting police time/perverting the course of justice.
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Maybe.
Like I say I think that United will probably let him go rather than do a PR job in keeping him at the club.
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Me too. The risk is too great.
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What, specifically, is the great risk to United?
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public backlash, sponsorship legal action
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Public backlash. We arent about to see an exodus of fans if he plays again. Will you commit now to no longer following United if he plays again?
Sponsorship legal action - I'm sure this would be considered, but the shirt sponsorship has been cancelled early by us, already, suggesting we are confident of replacing them with a bigger / better deal.
Adidas aren't about to cut ties with United over this. They dropped Kanye West and made HUGE losses as a result, whilst Kanye West's trainers still sell for silly money.
Adidas didn't walk from Bayern Munich when Ribery was accused of 5ex with an underage girl. Neither did they insist Ribery be sacked.
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it doesnt have to be the club own fans but there will defo be an element within against it. It will be every other persons opinion and Man Utd are a brand, and the deals involved in sponsorship will heavily rely on the public general perception from fans and non fans.
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Sponsors are primarily paying to have their brand exposed to the viewing public. Not necessarily United fans.
Would many of us really not buy a pair of Adidas trainers or a Chevrolet car just because Greenwood stayed at United?
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I think in this day social media shows there defo would be a group in particular that specifically would avoid the brand yeah.
Cancel culture is fecking rife
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Which brands have suffered hugely as a result of individual representatives?
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but it still happened. I dont know about the repercussions of it and how true it is. Thats immaterial.
Were saying there could be backlash on it on the basis that its happened elsewhere
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You know it happened, but can't give examples?
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I gave one ... adidas
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And I pointed out that it resulted In huge losses, whilst the product and individual remain popular.
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Did they? I assume Kanye also lost out.... doesnt matter tho, you asked me to give an example of a sponsor pulling out.
I gave you a massive one. One of the biggest names in the world and one of the biggest brands in the world.
Were not debating whether or not it was good financial sense for them to do it at the time or if it will benefit them in the future. Were debating whether or not any sponsors might push back. You asked for an example I gave you one.
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I used Adidas as a example first.
They didn't get rid of Ribery at Bayern, which is a far closer comparison.
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cos they have shares in the club!
again it doesnt matter, you asked for an example of a sponsor pulling out.
You got one.
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So had far more potential to be harmed by their employees actions, and far more power to have him sacked/ sold.
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Elvis in this country you have to prove guilt not innocence. Being innocent isn't a charge
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Youre talking about a court of law. That's irrelevant now.
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So where else is there?
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Court of opinion. It is going to be hard for United to bring Mason back into the team unless the public opinion of him changes massively.
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Court of opinion. AKA vigilante. I'm sure he might get what's coming, one day
Anyway, as I said. I'm sure United will be very aware of this when they decide his future.
It all getting very silly now
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No I'm not talking about him getting battered by someone. What I am saying is that the general opinion of the public is that Mason is very bad person. And that makes it very difficult for United to bring him back into the first team, even without considering the potential financial implications. Unless Mason can do something to sway the publics opinion on him, I don't think he plays for United again.
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Exactly what I said Elvis.
Maybe he does a TV interview.
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TV interview does feck all for him unless he puts forward some evidence that it was a s3x game. In which case Hariet could be in trouble for initially giving a statement against him/wasting police time/perverting the course of justice.
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Maybe.
Like I say I think that United will probably let him go rather than do a PR job in keeping him at the club.
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Me too. The risk is too great.
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What, specifically, is the great risk to United?
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public backlash, sponsorship legal action
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Public backlash. We arent about to see an exodus of fans if he plays again. Will you commit now to no longer following United if he plays again?
Sponsorship legal action - I'm sure this would be considered, but the shirt sponsorship has been cancelled early by us, already, suggesting we are confident of replacing them with a bigger / better deal.
Adidas aren't about to cut ties with United over this. They dropped Kanye West and made HUGE losses as a result, whilst Kanye West's trainers still sell for silly money.
Adidas didn't walk from Bayern Munich when Ribery was accused of 5ex with an underage girl. Neither did they insist Ribery be sacked.
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it doesnt have to be the club own fans but there will defo be an element within against it. It will be every other persons opinion and Man Utd are a brand, and the deals involved in sponsorship will heavily rely on the public general perception from fans and non fans.
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Sponsors are primarily paying to have their brand exposed to the viewing public. Not necessarily United fans.
Would many of us really not buy a pair of Adidas trainers or a Chevrolet car just because Greenwood stayed at United?
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I think in this day social media shows there defo would be a group in particular that specifically would avoid the brand yeah.
Cancel culture is fecking rife
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Which brands have suffered hugely as a result of individual representatives?
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but it still happened. I dont know about the repercussions of it and how true it is. Thats immaterial.
Were saying there could be backlash on it on the basis that its happened elsewhere
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You know it happened, but can't give examples?
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I gave one ... adidas
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And I pointed out that it resulted In huge losses, whilst the product and individual remain popular.
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Did they? I assume Kanye also lost out.... doesnt matter tho, you asked me to give an example of a sponsor pulling out.
I gave you a massive one. One of the biggest names in the world and one of the biggest brands in the world.
Were not debating whether or not it was good financial sense for them to do it at the time or if it will benefit them in the future. Were debating whether or not any sponsors might push back. You asked for an example I gave you one.
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I used Adidas as a example first.
They didn't get rid of Ribery at Bayern, which is a far closer comparison.
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cos they have shares in the club!
again it doesnt matter, you asked for an example of a sponsor pulling out.
You got one.
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So had far more potential to be harmed by their employees actions, and far more power to have him sacked/ sold.
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doest matter, you asked for an example , you got one.
anything else mr alt?
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A TV interview sounds like the worst idea i've ever heard.
Remember Prince Andrew well it would be every bit as bad, Greenwood appears to be even less intelligent so it would be complete car crash TV.
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Greenwood's would have to be more of an apology and an explanation the effects of counselling are having with a huge dose of humility for it to be even half worth doing, I think it'd be how sincere he looked that might make it work (not sure even then).
Prince Andrew going on TV to announce he wasn't as noncey as we all thought actually was never going to work.
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He would have to explain the audio, why she then posted it? why the police got involved? how it took so long? how they got back together when he was banned from contacting her?
An absolute mine field for even an intelligent and articulate person to form and provide a cohesive story that leaves him in a good light or even just a more understanding light.
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You're absoutely correct. It'd have to be framed the right way and be a massive mea culpa, which I can't see happening anyway. He's finished with United, and the only people that seem to want him back are the overseas mob on twitter
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How would United know if the interview had worked or not?
How would they insist he don't unless he was to be reinstated?
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Elvis in this country you have to prove guilt not innocence. Being innocent isn't a charge
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Youre talking about a court of law. That's irrelevant now.
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So where else is there?
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Court of opinion. It is going to be hard for United to bring Mason back into the team unless the public opinion of him changes massively.
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Court of opinion. AKA vigilante. I'm sure he might get what's coming, one day
Anyway, as I said. I'm sure United will be very aware of this when they decide his future.
It all getting very silly now
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No I'm not talking about him getting battered by someone. What I am saying is that the general opinion of the public is that Mason is very bad person. And that makes it very difficult for United to bring him back into the first team, even without considering the potential financial implications. Unless Mason can do something to sway the publics opinion on him, I don't think he plays for United again.
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Most people don't give a toss either way.
Most United fans will accept
He is young and immature.
Their are things we don't know about what happened.
It was dropped following an investigation.
They are back together and expecting.
Nobody on here is willing to commit to not following United again should he return, so why do you think it would destroy the club?
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I didn't say that it will destroy the club. You've got me mistaken with someone else.
And I don't know a single United fan in real life that wants Mason back as things stand. To say that no-one gives a toss is the complete opposite of my experience. Some would be happy/ok with him coming back from these boards. Aside from that, the only people that want him back tend to be from Africa and post their opinions on social media.
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Some on here would be fine with it. That's the only measure we have.
How many fans do you know who have said they would boycott the club if he played again?
You have been very outspoken on this topic. Would you give up United if he played again?
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I don't think that the loss of fans is the main financial issue. Sponsorship and damage to reputation would be the biggest issue. Plenty of sponsors have dropped Mason. And we have had United sponsors stating that they are monitoring the situation. If Mason comes back there is going to be uproar from various women's domestic abuse groups and I'd expect the United women's team too. You seem to think that sponsors can just be replaced like that. But if they are replaced, it will be at a lower rate than the sponsor that they are replacing. The United commercial team has worked very hard and done a good job at finding those sponsorship deals and getting the best deals. A damaged reputation gives them less leverage when it comes to negotiating new deals with potential new sponsors.
There is a decision to be made as to whether the potential financial loss is worth more than Mason is. And that is without considering the club's reputation and moral standing.
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Elvis in this country you have to prove guilt not innocence. Being innocent isn't a charge
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Youre talking about a court of law. That's irrelevant now.
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So where else is there?
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Court of opinion. It is going to be hard for United to bring Mason back into the team unless the public opinion of him changes massively.
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Court of opinion. AKA vigilante. I'm sure he might get what's coming, one day
Anyway, as I said. I'm sure United will be very aware of this when they decide his future.
It all getting very silly now
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No I'm not talking about him getting battered by someone. What I am saying is that the general opinion of the public is that Mason is very bad person. And that makes it very difficult for United to bring him back into the first team, even without considering the potential financial implications. Unless Mason can do something to sway the publics opinion on him, I don't think he plays for United again.
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Exactly what I said Elvis.
Maybe he does a TV interview.
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TV interview does feck all for him unless he puts forward some evidence that it was a s3x game. In which case Hariet could be in trouble for initially giving a statement against him/wasting police time/perverting the course of justice.
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Maybe.
Like I say I think that United will probably let him go rather than do a PR job in keeping him at the club.
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Me too. The risk is too great.
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What, specifically, is the great risk to United?
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public backlash, sponsorship legal action
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Public backlash. We arent about to see an exodus of fans if he plays again. Will you commit now to no longer following United if he plays again?
Sponsorship legal action - I'm sure this would be considered, but the shirt sponsorship has been cancelled early by us, already, suggesting we are confident of replacing them with a bigger / better deal.
Adidas aren't about to cut ties with United over this. They dropped Kanye West and made HUGE losses as a result, whilst Kanye West's trainers still sell for silly money.
Adidas didn't walk from Bayern Munich when Ribery was accused of 5ex with an underage girl. Neither did they insist Ribery be sacked.
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it doesnt have to be the club own fans but there will defo be an element within against it. It will be every other persons opinion and Man Utd are a brand, and the deals involved in sponsorship will heavily rely on the public general perception from fans and non fans.
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Sponsors are primarily paying to have their brand exposed to the viewing public. Not necessarily United fans.
Would many of us really not buy a pair of Adidas trainers or a Chevrolet car just because Greenwood stayed at United?
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Brands don't tend to like social media backlash and campaigns against them. What do you think might happen if Greenwood starts playing for us again?
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I don't think the backlash would be anywhere near enough to bother the sponsors.
If he played again, Iv no doubt he'd be booed and jeered for maybe the first season back, but football forgets pretty quickly.
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then I think your niave
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I think you are over estimating the impact.
What specifically do you think would happen if he played again for United?
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A TV interview sounds like the worst idea i've ever heard.
Remember Prince Andrew well it would be every bit as bad, Greenwood appears to be even less intelligent so it would be complete car crash TV.
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Greenwood's would have to be more of an apology and an explanation the effects of counselling are having with a huge dose of humility for it to be even half worth doing, I think it'd be how sincere he looked that might make it work (not sure even then).
Prince Andrew going on TV to announce he wasn't as noncey as we all thought actually was never going to work.
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He would have to explain the audio, why she then posted it? why the police got involved? how it took so long? how they got back together when he was banned from contacting her?
An absolute mine field for even an intelligent and articulate person to form and provide a cohesive story that leaves him in a good light or even just a more understanding light.
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Elvis in this country you have to prove guilt not innocence. Being innocent isn't a charge
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Youre talking about a court of law. That's irrelevant now.
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So where else is there?
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Court of opinion. It is going to be hard for United to bring Mason back into the team unless the public opinion of him changes massively.
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Court of opinion. AKA vigilante. I'm sure he might get what's coming, one day
Anyway, as I said. I'm sure United will be very aware of this when they decide his future.
It all getting very silly now
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No I'm not talking about him getting battered by someone. What I am saying is that the general opinion of the public is that Mason is very bad person. And that makes it very difficult for United to bring him back into the first team, even without considering the potential financial implications. Unless Mason can do something to sway the publics opinion on him, I don't think he plays for United again.
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Exactly what I said Elvis.
Maybe he does a TV interview.
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TV interview does feck all for him unless he puts forward some evidence that it was a s3x game. In which case Hariet could be in trouble for initially giving a statement against him/wasting police time/perverting the course of justice.
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Maybe.
Like I say I think that United will probably let him go rather than do a PR job in keeping him at the club.
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Me too. The risk is too great.
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What, specifically, is the great risk to United?
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public backlash, sponsorship legal action
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Public backlash. We arent about to see an exodus of fans if he plays again. Will you commit now to no longer following United if he plays again?
Sponsorship legal action - I'm sure this would be considered, but the shirt sponsorship has been cancelled early by us, already, suggesting we are confident of replacing them with a bigger / better deal.
Adidas aren't about to cut ties with United over this. They dropped Kanye West and made HUGE losses as a result, whilst Kanye West's trainers still sell for silly money.
Adidas didn't walk from Bayern Munich when Ribery was accused of 5ex with an underage girl. Neither did they insist Ribery be sacked.
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it doesnt have to be the club own fans but there will defo be an element within against it. It will be every other persons opinion and Man Utd are a brand, and the deals involved in sponsorship will heavily rely on the public general perception from fans and non fans.
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Sponsors are primarily paying to have their brand exposed to the viewing public. Not necessarily United fans.
Would many of us really not buy a pair of Adidas trainers or a Chevrolet car just because Greenwood stayed at United?
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I think in this day social media shows there defo would be a group in particular that specifically would avoid the brand yeah.
Cancel culture is fecking rife
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Which brands have suffered hugely as a result of individual representatives?
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but it still happened. I dont know about the repercussions of it and how true it is. Thats immaterial.
Were saying there could be backlash on it on the basis that its happened elsewhere
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posted 54 seconds ago
Adidas literally pulled out of the Kanye deal due to public image and backlash.
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Over proven racism, and the result, they made huge losses, whilst the trainers still sell.
The equivalent here would be
Adidas leave United, making huge losses, whilst, Greenwood and United continue to be succesful / popular.
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Elvis in this country you have to prove guilt not innocence. Being innocent isn't a charge
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Youre talking about a court of law. That's irrelevant now.
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So where else is there?
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Court of opinion. It is going to be hard for United to bring Mason back into the team unless the public opinion of him changes massively.
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Court of opinion. AKA vigilante. I'm sure he might get what's coming, one day
Anyway, as I said. I'm sure United will be very aware of this when they decide his future.
It all getting very silly now
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No I'm not talking about him getting battered by someone. What I am saying is that the general opinion of the public is that Mason is very bad person. And that makes it very difficult for United to bring him back into the first team, even without considering the potential financial implications. Unless Mason can do something to sway the publics opinion on him, I don't think he plays for United again.
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Exactly what I said Elvis.
Maybe he does a TV interview.
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TV interview does feck all for him unless he puts forward some evidence that it was a s3x game. In which case Hariet could be in trouble for initially giving a statement against him/wasting police time/perverting the course of justice.
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Maybe.
Like I say I think that United will probably let him go rather than do a PR job in keeping him at the club.
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Me too. The risk is too great.
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What, specifically, is the great risk to United?
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public backlash, sponsorship legal action
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Public backlash. We arent about to see an exodus of fans if he plays again. Will you commit now to no longer following United if he plays again?
Sponsorship legal action - I'm sure this would be considered, but the shirt sponsorship has been cancelled early by us, already, suggesting we are confident of replacing them with a bigger / better deal.
Adidas aren't about to cut ties with United over this. They dropped Kanye West and made HUGE losses as a result, whilst Kanye West's trainers still sell for silly money.
Adidas didn't walk from Bayern Munich when Ribery was accused of 5ex with an underage girl. Neither did they insist Ribery be sacked.
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it doesnt have to be the club own fans but there will defo be an element within against it. It will be every other persons opinion and Man Utd are a brand, and the deals involved in sponsorship will heavily rely on the public general perception from fans and non fans.
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Sponsors are primarily paying to have their brand exposed to the viewing public. Not necessarily United fans.
Would many of us really not buy a pair of Adidas trainers or a Chevrolet car just because Greenwood stayed at United?
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Brands don't tend to like social media backlash and campaigns against them. What do you think might happen if Greenwood starts playing for us again?
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I don't think the backlash would be anywhere near enough to bother the sponsors.
If he played again, Iv no doubt he'd be booed and jeered for maybe the first season back, but football forgets pretty quickly.
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then I think your niave
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I think you are over estimating the impact.
What specifically do you think would happen if he played again for United?
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How can I possibly answer that... I dont know the intricate clauses and terms and conditions of the deals Man Utd has with all their partners ?!
I would say that there is a good chance some of them will react the same way other brands have reacted to similar public social media outcry.
it might be a bull$hit world we live in now but its the way it is.
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comment by Dave the Save (U22987)
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Elvis in this country you have to prove guilt not innocence. Being innocent isn't a charge
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Youre talking about a court of law. That's irrelevant now.
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So where else is there?
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Court of opinion. It is going to be hard for United to bring Mason back into the team unless the public opinion of him changes massively.
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Court of opinion. AKA vigilante. I'm sure he might get what's coming, one day
Anyway, as I said. I'm sure United will be very aware of this when they decide his future.
It all getting very silly now
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No I'm not talking about him getting battered by someone. What I am saying is that the general opinion of the public is that Mason is very bad person. And that makes it very difficult for United to bring him back into the first team, even without considering the potential financial implications. Unless Mason can do something to sway the publics opinion on him, I don't think he plays for United again.
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Most people don't give a toss either way.
Most United fans will accept
He is young and immature.
Their are things we don't know about what happened.
It was dropped following an investigation.
They are back together and expecting.
Nobody on here is willing to commit to not following United again should he return, so why do you think it would destroy the club?
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I didn't say that it will destroy the club. You've got me mistaken with someone else.
And I don't know a single United fan in real life that wants Mason back as things stand. To say that no-one gives a toss is the complete opposite of my experience. Some would be happy/ok with him coming back from these boards. Aside from that, the only people that want him back tend to be from Africa and post their opinions on social media.
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Elvis in this country you have to prove guilt not innocence. Being innocent isn't a charge
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Youre talking about a court of law. That's irrelevant now.
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So where else is there?
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Court of opinion. It is going to be hard for United to bring Mason back into the team unless the public opinion of him changes massively.
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Court of opinion. AKA vigilante. I'm sure he might get what's coming, one day
Anyway, as I said. I'm sure United will be very aware of this when they decide his future.
It all getting very silly now
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No I'm not talking about him getting battered by someone. What I am saying is that the general opinion of the public is that Mason is very bad person. And that makes it very difficult for United to bring him back into the first team, even without considering the potential financial implications. Unless Mason can do something to sway the publics opinion on him, I don't think he plays for United again.
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Exactly what I said Elvis.
Maybe he does a TV interview.
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TV interview does feck all for him unless he puts forward some evidence that it was a s3x game. In which case Hariet could be in trouble for initially giving a statement against him/wasting police time/perverting the course of justice.
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Maybe.
Like I say I think that United will probably let him go rather than do a PR job in keeping him at the club.
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Me too. The risk is too great.
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What, specifically, is the great risk to United?
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public backlash, sponsorship legal action
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Public backlash. We arent about to see an exodus of fans if he plays again. Will you commit now to no longer following United if he plays again?
Sponsorship legal action - I'm sure this would be considered, but the shirt sponsorship has been cancelled early by us, already, suggesting we are confident of replacing them with a bigger / better deal.
Adidas aren't about to cut ties with United over this. They dropped Kanye West and made HUGE losses as a result, whilst Kanye West's trainers still sell for silly money.
Adidas didn't walk from Bayern Munich when Ribery was accused of 5ex with an underage girl. Neither did they insist Ribery be sacked.
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it doesnt have to be the club own fans but there will defo be an element within against it. It will be every other persons opinion and Man Utd are a brand, and the deals involved in sponsorship will heavily rely on the public general perception from fans and non fans.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sponsors are primarily paying to have their brand exposed to the viewing public. Not necessarily United fans.
Would many of us really not buy a pair of Adidas trainers or a Chevrolet car just because Greenwood stayed at United?
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I think in this day social media shows there defo would be a group in particular that specifically would avoid the brand yeah.
Cancel culture is fecking rife
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Which brands have suffered hugely as a result of individual representatives?
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but it still happened. I dont know about the repercussions of it and how true it is. Thats immaterial.
Were saying there could be backlash on it on the basis that its happened elsewhere
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You know it happened, but can't give examples?
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Elvis in this country you have to prove guilt not innocence. Being innocent isn't a charge
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Youre talking about a court of law. That's irrelevant now.
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So where else is there?
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Court of opinion. It is going to be hard for United to bring Mason back into the team unless the public opinion of him changes massively.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Court of opinion. AKA vigilante. I'm sure he might get what's coming, one day
Anyway, as I said. I'm sure United will be very aware of this when they decide his future.
It all getting very silly now
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No I'm not talking about him getting battered by someone. What I am saying is that the general opinion of the public is that Mason is very bad person. And that makes it very difficult for United to bring him back into the first team, even without considering the potential financial implications. Unless Mason can do something to sway the publics opinion on him, I don't think he plays for United again.
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Exactly what I said Elvis.
Maybe he does a TV interview.
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TV interview does feck all for him unless he puts forward some evidence that it was a s3x game. In which case Hariet could be in trouble for initially giving a statement against him/wasting police time/perverting the course of justice.
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Maybe.
Like I say I think that United will probably let him go rather than do a PR job in keeping him at the club.
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Me too. The risk is too great.
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What, specifically, is the great risk to United?
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public backlash, sponsorship legal action
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Public backlash. We arent about to see an exodus of fans if he plays again. Will you commit now to no longer following United if he plays again?
Sponsorship legal action - I'm sure this would be considered, but the shirt sponsorship has been cancelled early by us, already, suggesting we are confident of replacing them with a bigger / better deal.
Adidas aren't about to cut ties with United over this. They dropped Kanye West and made HUGE losses as a result, whilst Kanye West's trainers still sell for silly money.
Adidas didn't walk from Bayern Munich when Ribery was accused of 5ex with an underage girl. Neither did they insist Ribery be sacked.
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it doesnt have to be the club own fans but there will defo be an element within against it. It will be every other persons opinion and Man Utd are a brand, and the deals involved in sponsorship will heavily rely on the public general perception from fans and non fans.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sponsors are primarily paying to have their brand exposed to the viewing public. Not necessarily United fans.
Would many of us really not buy a pair of Adidas trainers or a Chevrolet car just because Greenwood stayed at United?
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I think in this day social media shows there defo would be a group in particular that specifically would avoid the brand yeah.
Cancel culture is fecking rife
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Which brands have suffered hugely as a result of individual representatives?
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but it still happened. I dont know about the repercussions of it and how true it is. Thats immaterial.
Were saying there could be backlash on it on the basis that its happened elsewhere
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You know it happened, but can't give examples?
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I gave one ... adidas
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Elvis in this country you have to prove guilt not innocence. Being innocent isn't a charge
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Youre talking about a court of law. That's irrelevant now.
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So where else is there?
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Court of opinion. It is going to be hard for United to bring Mason back into the team unless the public opinion of him changes massively.
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Court of opinion. AKA vigilante. I'm sure he might get what's coming, one day
Anyway, as I said. I'm sure United will be very aware of this when they decide his future.
It all getting very silly now
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No I'm not talking about him getting battered by someone. What I am saying is that the general opinion of the public is that Mason is very bad person. And that makes it very difficult for United to bring him back into the first team, even without considering the potential financial implications. Unless Mason can do something to sway the publics opinion on him, I don't think he plays for United again.
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Exactly what I said Elvis.
Maybe he does a TV interview.
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TV interview does feck all for him unless he puts forward some evidence that it was a s3x game. In which case Hariet could be in trouble for initially giving a statement against him/wasting police time/perverting the course of justice.
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Maybe.
Like I say I think that United will probably let him go rather than do a PR job in keeping him at the club.
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Me too. The risk is too great.
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What, specifically, is the great risk to United?
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public backlash, sponsorship legal action
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Public backlash. We arent about to see an exodus of fans if he plays again. Will you commit now to no longer following United if he plays again?
Sponsorship legal action - I'm sure this would be considered, but the shirt sponsorship has been cancelled early by us, already, suggesting we are confident of replacing them with a bigger / better deal.
Adidas aren't about to cut ties with United over this. They dropped Kanye West and made HUGE losses as a result, whilst Kanye West's trainers still sell for silly money.
Adidas didn't walk from Bayern Munich when Ribery was accused of 5ex with an underage girl. Neither did they insist Ribery be sacked.
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it doesnt have to be the club own fans but there will defo be an element within against it. It will be every other persons opinion and Man Utd are a brand, and the deals involved in sponsorship will heavily rely on the public general perception from fans and non fans.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sponsors are primarily paying to have their brand exposed to the viewing public. Not necessarily United fans.
Would many of us really not buy a pair of Adidas trainers or a Chevrolet car just because Greenwood stayed at United?
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Brands don't tend to like social media backlash and campaigns against them. What do you think might happen if Greenwood starts playing for us again?
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I don't think the backlash would be anywhere near enough to bother the sponsors.
If he played again, Iv no doubt he'd be booed and jeered for maybe the first season back, but football forgets pretty quickly.
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then I think your niave
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I think you are over estimating the impact.
What specifically do you think would happen if he played again for United?
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How can I possibly answer that... I dont know the intricate clauses and terms and conditions of the deals Man Utd has with all their partners ?!
I would say that there is a good chance some of them will react the same way other brands have reacted to similar public social media outcry.
it might be a bull$hit world we live in now but its the way it is.
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I asked what you thought would happen. You must have an idea seeing as you insist it would be a terrible decision to let him back.
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comment by Dave the Save (U22987)
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Elvis in this country you have to prove guilt not innocence. Being innocent isn't a charge
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Youre talking about a court of law. That's irrelevant now.
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So where else is there?
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Court of opinion. It is going to be hard for United to bring Mason back into the team unless the public opinion of him changes massively.
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Court of opinion. AKA vigilante. I'm sure he might get what's coming, one day
Anyway, as I said. I'm sure United will be very aware of this when they decide his future.
It all getting very silly now
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No I'm not talking about him getting battered by someone. What I am saying is that the general opinion of the public is that Mason is very bad person. And that makes it very difficult for United to bring him back into the first team, even without considering the potential financial implications. Unless Mason can do something to sway the publics opinion on him, I don't think he plays for United again.
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Exactly what I said Elvis.
Maybe he does a TV interview.
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TV interview does feck all for him unless he puts forward some evidence that it was a s3x game. In which case Hariet could be in trouble for initially giving a statement against him/wasting police time/perverting the course of justice.
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He doesnt have to provide evidence to placate some people who are outraged on behalf of the girl who wasn't prepared to give evidence against him and is back with him and having his child.
Yes, some abuse victims stay with their abusers, but that doesn't mean she is with him for the wrong reasons.
And the police are not about to pursue a pregnant young girl on such charges,.especially if you believe she is being co erred/ manipulated.
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I am not saying he has to do anything. It is his life and his choice. I just don't believe that the club will bring him back unless public opinion on him changes massively. And I can't see that happening unless he/they make some kind of statement or have some kind of interview.
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Elvis in this country you have to prove guilt not innocence. Being innocent isn't a charge
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Youre talking about a court of law. That's irrelevant now.
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So where else is there?
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Court of opinion. It is going to be hard for United to bring Mason back into the team unless the public opinion of him changes massively.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Court of opinion. AKA vigilante. I'm sure he might get what's coming, one day
Anyway, as I said. I'm sure United will be very aware of this when they decide his future.
It all getting very silly now
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No I'm not talking about him getting battered by someone. What I am saying is that the general opinion of the public is that Mason is very bad person. And that makes it very difficult for United to bring him back into the first team, even without considering the potential financial implications. Unless Mason can do something to sway the publics opinion on him, I don't think he plays for United again.
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Exactly what I said Elvis.
Maybe he does a TV interview.
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TV interview does feck all for him unless he puts forward some evidence that it was a s3x game. In which case Hariet could be in trouble for initially giving a statement against him/wasting police time/perverting the course of justice.
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Maybe.
Like I say I think that United will probably let him go rather than do a PR job in keeping him at the club.
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Me too. The risk is too great.
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What, specifically, is the great risk to United?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
public backlash, sponsorship legal action
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Public backlash. We arent about to see an exodus of fans if he plays again. Will you commit now to no longer following United if he plays again?
Sponsorship legal action - I'm sure this would be considered, but the shirt sponsorship has been cancelled early by us, already, suggesting we are confident of replacing them with a bigger / better deal.
Adidas aren't about to cut ties with United over this. They dropped Kanye West and made HUGE losses as a result, whilst Kanye West's trainers still sell for silly money.
Adidas didn't walk from Bayern Munich when Ribery was accused of 5ex with an underage girl. Neither did they insist Ribery be sacked.
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it doesnt have to be the club own fans but there will defo be an element within against it. It will be every other persons opinion and Man Utd are a brand, and the deals involved in sponsorship will heavily rely on the public general perception from fans and non fans.
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Sponsors are primarily paying to have their brand exposed to the viewing public. Not necessarily United fans.
Would many of us really not buy a pair of Adidas trainers or a Chevrolet car just because Greenwood stayed at United?
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I think in this day social media shows there defo would be a group in particular that specifically would avoid the brand yeah.
Cancel culture is fecking rife
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Which brands have suffered hugely as a result of individual representatives?
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but it still happened. I dont know about the repercussions of it and how true it is. Thats immaterial.
Were saying there could be backlash on it on the basis that its happened elsewhere
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You know it happened, but can't give examples?
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I gave one ... adidas
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And I pointed out that it resulted In huge losses, whilst the product and individual remain popular.
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comment by Dave the Save (U22987)
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comment by Irishred (U2539)
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Young and immature is a hilarious excuse to use for potential domestic abuse
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I was talking more as an explanation for getting into such a stupid situation (girlfriend recording you, it being leaked)
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Very stupid to let yourself get taped when raping.
Ah, the young and foolish scamp.
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Elvis in this country you have to prove guilt not innocence. Being innocent isn't a charge
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Youre talking about a court of law. That's irrelevant now.
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So where else is there?
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Court of opinion. It is going to be hard for United to bring Mason back into the team unless the public opinion of him changes massively.
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Court of opinion. AKA vigilante. I'm sure he might get what's coming, one day
Anyway, as I said. I'm sure United will be very aware of this when they decide his future.
It all getting very silly now
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No I'm not talking about him getting battered by someone. What I am saying is that the general opinion of the public is that Mason is very bad person. And that makes it very difficult for United to bring him back into the first team, even without considering the potential financial implications. Unless Mason can do something to sway the publics opinion on him, I don't think he plays for United again.
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Exactly what I said Elvis.
Maybe he does a TV interview.
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TV interview does feck all for him unless he puts forward some evidence that it was a s3x game. In which case Hariet could be in trouble for initially giving a statement against him/wasting police time/perverting the course of justice.
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Maybe.
Like I say I think that United will probably let him go rather than do a PR job in keeping him at the club.
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Me too. The risk is too great.
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What, specifically, is the great risk to United?
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Money. Reputation. Its not rocket science.
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comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 3 minutes ago
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Elvis in this country you have to prove guilt not innocence. Being innocent isn't a charge
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Youre talking about a court of law. That's irrelevant now.
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So where else is there?
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Court of opinion. It is going to be hard for United to bring Mason back into the team unless the public opinion of him changes massively.
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Court of opinion. AKA vigilante. I'm sure he might get what's coming, one day
Anyway, as I said. I'm sure United will be very aware of this when they decide his future.
It all getting very silly now
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No I'm not talking about him getting battered by someone. What I am saying is that the general opinion of the public is that Mason is very bad person. And that makes it very difficult for United to bring him back into the first team, even without considering the potential financial implications. Unless Mason can do something to sway the publics opinion on him, I don't think he plays for United again.
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Most people don't give a toss either way.
Most United fans will accept
He is young and immature.
Their are things we don't know about what happened.
It was dropped following an investigation.
They are back together and expecting.
Nobody on here is willing to commit to not following United again should he return, so why do you think it would destroy the club?
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I didn't say that it will destroy the club. You've got me mistaken with someone else.
And I don't know a single United fan in real life that wants Mason back as things stand. To say that no-one gives a toss is the complete opposite of my experience. Some would be happy/ok with him coming back from these boards. Aside from that, the only people that want him back tend to be from Africa and post their opinions on social media.
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Some on here would be fine with it. That's the only measure we have.
How many fans do you know who have said they would boycott the club if he played again?
You have been very outspoken on this topic. Would you give up United if he played again?
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Elvis in this country you have to prove guilt not innocence. Being innocent isn't a charge
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Youre talking about a court of law. That's irrelevant now.
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So where else is there?
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Court of opinion. It is going to be hard for United to bring Mason back into the team unless the public opinion of him changes massively.
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Court of opinion. AKA vigilante. I'm sure he might get what's coming, one day
Anyway, as I said. I'm sure United will be very aware of this when they decide his future.
It all getting very silly now
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No I'm not talking about him getting battered by someone. What I am saying is that the general opinion of the public is that Mason is very bad person. And that makes it very difficult for United to bring him back into the first team, even without considering the potential financial implications. Unless Mason can do something to sway the publics opinion on him, I don't think he plays for United again.
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Exactly what I said Elvis.
Maybe he does a TV interview.
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TV interview does feck all for him unless he puts forward some evidence that it was a s3x game. In which case Hariet could be in trouble for initially giving a statement against him/wasting police time/perverting the course of justice.
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Maybe.
Like I say I think that United will probably let him go rather than do a PR job in keeping him at the club.
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Me too. The risk is too great.
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What, specifically, is the great risk to United?
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public backlash, sponsorship legal action
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Public backlash. We arent about to see an exodus of fans if he plays again. Will you commit now to no longer following United if he plays again?
Sponsorship legal action - I'm sure this would be considered, but the shirt sponsorship has been cancelled early by us, already, suggesting we are confident of replacing them with a bigger / better deal.
Adidas aren't about to cut ties with United over this. They dropped Kanye West and made HUGE losses as a result, whilst Kanye West's trainers still sell for silly money.
Adidas didn't walk from Bayern Munich when Ribery was accused of 5ex with an underage girl. Neither did they insist Ribery be sacked.
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it doesnt have to be the club own fans but there will defo be an element within against it. It will be every other persons opinion and Man Utd are a brand, and the deals involved in sponsorship will heavily rely on the public general perception from fans and non fans.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sponsors are primarily paying to have their brand exposed to the viewing public. Not necessarily United fans.
Would many of us really not buy a pair of Adidas trainers or a Chevrolet car just because Greenwood stayed at United?
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I think in this day social media shows there defo would be a group in particular that specifically would avoid the brand yeah.
Cancel culture is fecking rife
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Which brands have suffered hugely as a result of individual representatives?
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but it still happened. I dont know about the repercussions of it and how true it is. Thats immaterial.
Were saying there could be backlash on it on the basis that its happened elsewhere
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You know it happened, but can't give examples?
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I gave one ... adidas
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And I pointed out that it resulted In huge losses, whilst the product and individual remain popular.
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Did they? I assume Kanye also lost out.... doesnt matter tho, you asked me to give an example of a sponsor pulling out.
I gave you a massive one. One of the biggest names in the world and one of the biggest brands in the world.
Were not debating whether or not it was good financial sense for them to do it at the time or if it will benefit them in the future. Were debating whether or not any sponsors might push back. You asked for an example I gave you one.
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Elvis in this country you have to prove guilt not innocence. Being innocent isn't a charge
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Youre talking about a court of law. That's irrelevant now.
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So where else is there?
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Court of opinion. It is going to be hard for United to bring Mason back into the team unless the public opinion of him changes massively.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Court of opinion. AKA vigilante. I'm sure he might get what's coming, one day
Anyway, as I said. I'm sure United will be very aware of this when they decide his future.
It all getting very silly now
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No I'm not talking about him getting battered by someone. What I am saying is that the general opinion of the public is that Mason is very bad person. And that makes it very difficult for United to bring him back into the first team, even without considering the potential financial implications. Unless Mason can do something to sway the publics opinion on him, I don't think he plays for United again.
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Most people don't give a toss either way.
Most United fans will accept
He is young and immature.
Their are things we don't know about what happened.
It was dropped following an investigation.
They are back together and expecting.
Nobody on here is willing to commit to not following United again should he return, so why do you think it would destroy the club?
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I didn't say that it will destroy the club. You've got me mistaken with someone else.
And I don't know a single United fan in real life that wants Mason back as things stand. To say that no-one gives a toss is the complete opposite of my experience. Some would be happy/ok with him coming back from these boards. Aside from that, the only people that want him back tend to be from Africa and post their opinions on social media.
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Some on here would be fine with it. That's the only measure we have.
How many fans do you know who have said they would boycott the club if he played again?
You have been very outspoken on this topic. Would you give up United if he played again?
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you do now that there are other ways it can affect them rather than just boycotting the club!
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comment by Elvis (U7425)
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posted 21 minutes ago
Elvis in this country you have to prove guilt not innocence. Being innocent isn't a charge
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Youre talking about a court of law. That's irrelevant now.
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So where else is there?
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Court of opinion. It is going to be hard for United to bring Mason back into the team unless the public opinion of him changes massively.
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Court of opinion. AKA vigilante. I'm sure he might get what's coming, one day
Anyway, as I said. I'm sure United will be very aware of this when they decide his future.
It all getting very silly now
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No I'm not talking about him getting battered by someone. What I am saying is that the general opinion of the public is that Mason is very bad person. And that makes it very difficult for United to bring him back into the first team, even without considering the potential financial implications. Unless Mason can do something to sway the publics opinion on him, I don't think he plays for United again.
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Exactly what I said Elvis.
Maybe he does a TV interview.
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TV interview does feck all for him unless he puts forward some evidence that it was a s3x game. In which case Hariet could be in trouble for initially giving a statement against him/wasting police time/perverting the course of justice.
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Maybe.
Like I say I think that United will probably let him go rather than do a PR job in keeping him at the club.
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Me too. The risk is too great.
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What, specifically, is the great risk to United?
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Money. Reputation. Its not rocket science.
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Money how?
Reputation damaged with who? Not our own match going fans. Not those that pay to watch on TV. Unlikely to be those that use sponsor brands because of their affiliation with United.
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Elvis in this country you have to prove guilt not innocence. Being innocent isn't a charge
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Youre talking about a court of law. That's irrelevant now.
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So where else is there?
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Court of opinion. It is going to be hard for United to bring Mason back into the team unless the public opinion of him changes massively.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Court of opinion. AKA vigilante. I'm sure he might get what's coming, one day
Anyway, as I said. I'm sure United will be very aware of this when they decide his future.
It all getting very silly now
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No I'm not talking about him getting battered by someone. What I am saying is that the general opinion of the public is that Mason is very bad person. And that makes it very difficult for United to bring him back into the first team, even without considering the potential financial implications. Unless Mason can do something to sway the publics opinion on him, I don't think he plays for United again.
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Exactly what I said Elvis.
Maybe he does a TV interview.
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TV interview does feck all for him unless he puts forward some evidence that it was a s3x game. In which case Hariet could be in trouble for initially giving a statement against him/wasting police time/perverting the course of justice.
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Maybe.
Like I say I think that United will probably let him go rather than do a PR job in keeping him at the club.
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Me too. The risk is too great.
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What, specifically, is the great risk to United?
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public backlash, sponsorship legal action
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Public backlash. We arent about to see an exodus of fans if he plays again. Will you commit now to no longer following United if he plays again?
Sponsorship legal action - I'm sure this would be considered, but the shirt sponsorship has been cancelled early by us, already, suggesting we are confident of replacing them with a bigger / better deal.
Adidas aren't about to cut ties with United over this. They dropped Kanye West and made HUGE losses as a result, whilst Kanye West's trainers still sell for silly money.
Adidas didn't walk from Bayern Munich when Ribery was accused of 5ex with an underage girl. Neither did they insist Ribery be sacked.
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it doesnt have to be the club own fans but there will defo be an element within against it. It will be every other persons opinion and Man Utd are a brand, and the deals involved in sponsorship will heavily rely on the public general perception from fans and non fans.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sponsors are primarily paying to have their brand exposed to the viewing public. Not necessarily United fans.
Would many of us really not buy a pair of Adidas trainers or a Chevrolet car just because Greenwood stayed at United?
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I think in this day social media shows there defo would be a group in particular that specifically would avoid the brand yeah.
Cancel culture is fecking rife
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Which brands have suffered hugely as a result of individual representatives?
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but it still happened. I dont know about the repercussions of it and how true it is. Thats immaterial.
Were saying there could be backlash on it on the basis that its happened elsewhere
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You know it happened, but can't give examples?
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I gave one ... adidas
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And I pointed out that it resulted In huge losses, whilst the product and individual remain popular.
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Did they? I assume Kanye also lost out.... doesnt matter tho, you asked me to give an example of a sponsor pulling out.
I gave you a massive one. One of the biggest names in the world and one of the biggest brands in the world.
Were not debating whether or not it was good financial sense for them to do it at the time or if it will benefit them in the future. Were debating whether or not any sponsors might push back. You asked for an example I gave you one.
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I used Adidas as a example first.
They didn't get rid of Ribery at Bayern, which is a far closer comparison.
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Elvis in this country you have to prove guilt not innocence. Being innocent isn't a charge
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Youre talking about a court of law. That's irrelevant now.
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So where else is there?
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Court of opinion. It is going to be hard for United to bring Mason back into the team unless the public opinion of him changes massively.
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Court of opinion. AKA vigilante. I'm sure he might get what's coming, one day
Anyway, as I said. I'm sure United will be very aware of this when they decide his future.
It all getting very silly now
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No I'm not talking about him getting battered by someone. What I am saying is that the general opinion of the public is that Mason is very bad person. And that makes it very difficult for United to bring him back into the first team, even without considering the potential financial implications. Unless Mason can do something to sway the publics opinion on him, I don't think he plays for United again.
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Exactly what I said Elvis.
Maybe he does a TV interview.
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TV interview does feck all for him unless he puts forward some evidence that it was a s3x game. In which case Hariet could be in trouble for initially giving a statement against him/wasting police time/perverting the course of justice.
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Maybe.
Like I say I think that United will probably let him go rather than do a PR job in keeping him at the club.
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Me too. The risk is too great.
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What, specifically, is the great risk to United?
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public backlash, sponsorship legal action
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Public backlash. We arent about to see an exodus of fans if he plays again. Will you commit now to no longer following United if he plays again?
Sponsorship legal action - I'm sure this would be considered, but the shirt sponsorship has been cancelled early by us, already, suggesting we are confident of replacing them with a bigger / better deal.
Adidas aren't about to cut ties with United over this. They dropped Kanye West and made HUGE losses as a result, whilst Kanye West's trainers still sell for silly money.
Adidas didn't walk from Bayern Munich when Ribery was accused of 5ex with an underage girl. Neither did they insist Ribery be sacked.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
it doesnt have to be the club own fans but there will defo be an element within against it. It will be every other persons opinion and Man Utd are a brand, and the deals involved in sponsorship will heavily rely on the public general perception from fans and non fans.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sponsors are primarily paying to have their brand exposed to the viewing public. Not necessarily United fans.
Would many of us really not buy a pair of Adidas trainers or a Chevrolet car just because Greenwood stayed at United?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think in this day social media shows there defo would be a group in particular that specifically would avoid the brand yeah.
Cancel culture is fecking rife
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Which brands have suffered hugely as a result of individual representatives?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
but it still happened. I dont know about the repercussions of it and how true it is. Thats immaterial.
Were saying there could be backlash on it on the basis that its happened elsewhere
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You know it happened, but can't give examples?
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I gave one ... adidas
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And I pointed out that it resulted In huge losses, whilst the product and individual remain popular.
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Did they? I assume Kanye also lost out.... doesnt matter tho, you asked me to give an example of a sponsor pulling out.
I gave you a massive one. One of the biggest names in the world and one of the biggest brands in the world.
Were not debating whether or not it was good financial sense for them to do it at the time or if it will benefit them in the future. Were debating whether or not any sponsors might push back. You asked for an example I gave you one.
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I used Adidas as a example first.
They didn't get rid of Ribery at Bayern, which is a far closer comparison.
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cos they have shares in the club!
again it doesnt matter, you asked for an example of a sponsor pulling out.
You got one.
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Elvis in this country you have to prove guilt not innocence. Being innocent isn't a charge
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Youre talking about a court of law. That's irrelevant now.
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So where else is there?
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Court of opinion. It is going to be hard for United to bring Mason back into the team unless the public opinion of him changes massively.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Court of opinion. AKA vigilante. I'm sure he might get what's coming, one day
Anyway, as I said. I'm sure United will be very aware of this when they decide his future.
It all getting very silly now
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No I'm not talking about him getting battered by someone. What I am saying is that the general opinion of the public is that Mason is very bad person. And that makes it very difficult for United to bring him back into the first team, even without considering the potential financial implications. Unless Mason can do something to sway the publics opinion on him, I don't think he plays for United again.
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Exactly what I said Elvis.
Maybe he does a TV interview.
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TV interview does feck all for him unless he puts forward some evidence that it was a s3x game. In which case Hariet could be in trouble for initially giving a statement against him/wasting police time/perverting the course of justice.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Maybe.
Like I say I think that United will probably let him go rather than do a PR job in keeping him at the club.
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Me too. The risk is too great.
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What, specifically, is the great risk to United?
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public backlash, sponsorship legal action
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Public backlash. We arent about to see an exodus of fans if he plays again. Will you commit now to no longer following United if he plays again?
Sponsorship legal action - I'm sure this would be considered, but the shirt sponsorship has been cancelled early by us, already, suggesting we are confident of replacing them with a bigger / better deal.
Adidas aren't about to cut ties with United over this. They dropped Kanye West and made HUGE losses as a result, whilst Kanye West's trainers still sell for silly money.
Adidas didn't walk from Bayern Munich when Ribery was accused of 5ex with an underage girl. Neither did they insist Ribery be sacked.
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it doesnt have to be the club own fans but there will defo be an element within against it. It will be every other persons opinion and Man Utd are a brand, and the deals involved in sponsorship will heavily rely on the public general perception from fans and non fans.
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Sponsors are primarily paying to have their brand exposed to the viewing public. Not necessarily United fans.
Would many of us really not buy a pair of Adidas trainers or a Chevrolet car just because Greenwood stayed at United?
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I think in this day social media shows there defo would be a group in particular that specifically would avoid the brand yeah.
Cancel culture is fecking rife
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Which brands have suffered hugely as a result of individual representatives?
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but it still happened. I dont know about the repercussions of it and how true it is. Thats immaterial.
Were saying there could be backlash on it on the basis that its happened elsewhere
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You know it happened, but can't give examples?
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I gave one ... adidas
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And I pointed out that it resulted In huge losses, whilst the product and individual remain popular.
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Did they? I assume Kanye also lost out.... doesnt matter tho, you asked me to give an example of a sponsor pulling out.
I gave you a massive one. One of the biggest names in the world and one of the biggest brands in the world.
Were not debating whether or not it was good financial sense for them to do it at the time or if it will benefit them in the future. Were debating whether or not any sponsors might push back. You asked for an example I gave you one.
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What other reason, ultimately, oher than financial, would a sponsor 'push back' 😁
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A TV interview sounds like the worst idea i've ever heard.
Remember Prince Andrew well it would be every bit as bad, Greenwood appears to be even less intelligent so it would be complete car crash TV.
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Greenwood's would have to be more of an apology and an explanation the effects of counselling are having with a huge dose of humility for it to be even half worth doing, I think it'd be how sincere he looked that might make it work (not sure even then).
Prince Andrew going on TV to announce he wasn't as noncey as we all thought actually was never going to work.
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He would have to explain the audio, why she then posted it? why the police got involved? how it took so long? how they got back together when he was banned from contacting her?
An absolute mine field for even an intelligent and articulate person to form and provide a cohesive story that leaves him in a good light or even just a more understanding light.
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You're absoutely correct. It'd have to be framed the right way and be a massive mea culpa, which I can't see happening anyway. He's finished with United, and the only people that seem to want him back are the overseas mob on twitter
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Elvis in this country you have to prove guilt not innocence. Being innocent isn't a charge
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Youre talking about a court of law. That's irrelevant now.
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So where else is there?
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Court of opinion. It is going to be hard for United to bring Mason back into the team unless the public opinion of him changes massively.
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Court of opinion. AKA vigilante. I'm sure he might get what's coming, one day
Anyway, as I said. I'm sure United will be very aware of this when they decide his future.
It all getting very silly now
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No I'm not talking about him getting battered by someone. What I am saying is that the general opinion of the public is that Mason is very bad person. And that makes it very difficult for United to bring him back into the first team, even without considering the potential financial implications. Unless Mason can do something to sway the publics opinion on him, I don't think he plays for United again.
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Exactly what I said Elvis.
Maybe he does a TV interview.
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TV interview does feck all for him unless he puts forward some evidence that it was a s3x game. In which case Hariet could be in trouble for initially giving a statement against him/wasting police time/perverting the course of justice.
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Maybe.
Like I say I think that United will probably let him go rather than do a PR job in keeping him at the club.
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Me too. The risk is too great.
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What, specifically, is the great risk to United?
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public backlash, sponsorship legal action
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Public backlash. We arent about to see an exodus of fans if he plays again. Will you commit now to no longer following United if he plays again?
Sponsorship legal action - I'm sure this would be considered, but the shirt sponsorship has been cancelled early by us, already, suggesting we are confident of replacing them with a bigger / better deal.
Adidas aren't about to cut ties with United over this. They dropped Kanye West and made HUGE losses as a result, whilst Kanye West's trainers still sell for silly money.
Adidas didn't walk from Bayern Munich when Ribery was accused of 5ex with an underage girl. Neither did they insist Ribery be sacked.
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it doesnt have to be the club own fans but there will defo be an element within against it. It will be every other persons opinion and Man Utd are a brand, and the deals involved in sponsorship will heavily rely on the public general perception from fans and non fans.
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Sponsors are primarily paying to have their brand exposed to the viewing public. Not necessarily United fans.
Would many of us really not buy a pair of Adidas trainers or a Chevrolet car just because Greenwood stayed at United?
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I think in this day social media shows there defo would be a group in particular that specifically would avoid the brand yeah.
Cancel culture is fecking rife
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Which brands have suffered hugely as a result of individual representatives?
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but it still happened. I dont know about the repercussions of it and how true it is. Thats immaterial.
Were saying there could be backlash on it on the basis that its happened elsewhere
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You know it happened, but can't give examples?
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I gave one ... adidas
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And I pointed out that it resulted In huge losses, whilst the product and individual remain popular.
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Did they? I assume Kanye also lost out.... doesnt matter tho, you asked me to give an example of a sponsor pulling out.
I gave you a massive one. One of the biggest names in the world and one of the biggest brands in the world.
Were not debating whether or not it was good financial sense for them to do it at the time or if it will benefit them in the future. Were debating whether or not any sponsors might push back. You asked for an example I gave you one.
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I used Adidas as a example first.
They didn't get rid of Ribery at Bayern, which is a far closer comparison.
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cos they have shares in the club!
again it doesnt matter, you asked for an example of a sponsor pulling out.
You got one.
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So had far more potential to be harmed by their employees actions, and far more power to have him sacked/ sold.
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Elvis in this country you have to prove guilt not innocence. Being innocent isn't a charge
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Youre talking about a court of law. That's irrelevant now.
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So where else is there?
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Court of opinion. It is going to be hard for United to bring Mason back into the team unless the public opinion of him changes massively.
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Court of opinion. AKA vigilante. I'm sure he might get what's coming, one day
Anyway, as I said. I'm sure United will be very aware of this when they decide his future.
It all getting very silly now
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No I'm not talking about him getting battered by someone. What I am saying is that the general opinion of the public is that Mason is very bad person. And that makes it very difficult for United to bring him back into the first team, even without considering the potential financial implications. Unless Mason can do something to sway the publics opinion on him, I don't think he plays for United again.
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Exactly what I said Elvis.
Maybe he does a TV interview.
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TV interview does feck all for him unless he puts forward some evidence that it was a s3x game. In which case Hariet could be in trouble for initially giving a statement against him/wasting police time/perverting the course of justice.
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Maybe.
Like I say I think that United will probably let him go rather than do a PR job in keeping him at the club.
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Me too. The risk is too great.
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What, specifically, is the great risk to United?
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public backlash, sponsorship legal action
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Public backlash. We arent about to see an exodus of fans if he plays again. Will you commit now to no longer following United if he plays again?
Sponsorship legal action - I'm sure this would be considered, but the shirt sponsorship has been cancelled early by us, already, suggesting we are confident of replacing them with a bigger / better deal.
Adidas aren't about to cut ties with United over this. They dropped Kanye West and made HUGE losses as a result, whilst Kanye West's trainers still sell for silly money.
Adidas didn't walk from Bayern Munich when Ribery was accused of 5ex with an underage girl. Neither did they insist Ribery be sacked.
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it doesnt have to be the club own fans but there will defo be an element within against it. It will be every other persons opinion and Man Utd are a brand, and the deals involved in sponsorship will heavily rely on the public general perception from fans and non fans.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sponsors are primarily paying to have their brand exposed to the viewing public. Not necessarily United fans.
Would many of us really not buy a pair of Adidas trainers or a Chevrolet car just because Greenwood stayed at United?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think in this day social media shows there defo would be a group in particular that specifically would avoid the brand yeah.
Cancel culture is fecking rife
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Which brands have suffered hugely as a result of individual representatives?
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but it still happened. I dont know about the repercussions of it and how true it is. Thats immaterial.
Were saying there could be backlash on it on the basis that its happened elsewhere
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You know it happened, but can't give examples?
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I gave one ... adidas
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And I pointed out that it resulted In huge losses, whilst the product and individual remain popular.
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Did they? I assume Kanye also lost out.... doesnt matter tho, you asked me to give an example of a sponsor pulling out.
I gave you a massive one. One of the biggest names in the world and one of the biggest brands in the world.
Were not debating whether or not it was good financial sense for them to do it at the time or if it will benefit them in the future. Were debating whether or not any sponsors might push back. You asked for an example I gave you one.
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I used Adidas as a example first.
They didn't get rid of Ribery at Bayern, which is a far closer comparison.
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cos they have shares in the club!
again it doesnt matter, you asked for an example of a sponsor pulling out.
You got one.
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So had far more potential to be harmed by their employees actions, and far more power to have him sacked/ sold.
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doest matter, you asked for an example , you got one.
anything else mr alt?
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A TV interview sounds like the worst idea i've ever heard.
Remember Prince Andrew well it would be every bit as bad, Greenwood appears to be even less intelligent so it would be complete car crash TV.
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Greenwood's would have to be more of an apology and an explanation the effects of counselling are having with a huge dose of humility for it to be even half worth doing, I think it'd be how sincere he looked that might make it work (not sure even then).
Prince Andrew going on TV to announce he wasn't as noncey as we all thought actually was never going to work.
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He would have to explain the audio, why she then posted it? why the police got involved? how it took so long? how they got back together when he was banned from contacting her?
An absolute mine field for even an intelligent and articulate person to form and provide a cohesive story that leaves him in a good light or even just a more understanding light.
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You're absoutely correct. It'd have to be framed the right way and be a massive mea culpa, which I can't see happening anyway. He's finished with United, and the only people that seem to want him back are the overseas mob on twitter
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How would United know if the interview had worked or not?
How would they insist he don't unless he was to be reinstated?
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Elvis in this country you have to prove guilt not innocence. Being innocent isn't a charge
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Youre talking about a court of law. That's irrelevant now.
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So where else is there?
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Court of opinion. It is going to be hard for United to bring Mason back into the team unless the public opinion of him changes massively.
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Court of opinion. AKA vigilante. I'm sure he might get what's coming, one day
Anyway, as I said. I'm sure United will be very aware of this when they decide his future.
It all getting very silly now
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No I'm not talking about him getting battered by someone. What I am saying is that the general opinion of the public is that Mason is very bad person. And that makes it very difficult for United to bring him back into the first team, even without considering the potential financial implications. Unless Mason can do something to sway the publics opinion on him, I don't think he plays for United again.
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Most people don't give a toss either way.
Most United fans will accept
He is young and immature.
Their are things we don't know about what happened.
It was dropped following an investigation.
They are back together and expecting.
Nobody on here is willing to commit to not following United again should he return, so why do you think it would destroy the club?
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I didn't say that it will destroy the club. You've got me mistaken with someone else.
And I don't know a single United fan in real life that wants Mason back as things stand. To say that no-one gives a toss is the complete opposite of my experience. Some would be happy/ok with him coming back from these boards. Aside from that, the only people that want him back tend to be from Africa and post their opinions on social media.
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Some on here would be fine with it. That's the only measure we have.
How many fans do you know who have said they would boycott the club if he played again?
You have been very outspoken on this topic. Would you give up United if he played again?
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I don't think that the loss of fans is the main financial issue. Sponsorship and damage to reputation would be the biggest issue. Plenty of sponsors have dropped Mason. And we have had United sponsors stating that they are monitoring the situation. If Mason comes back there is going to be uproar from various women's domestic abuse groups and I'd expect the United women's team too. You seem to think that sponsors can just be replaced like that. But if they are replaced, it will be at a lower rate than the sponsor that they are replacing. The United commercial team has worked very hard and done a good job at finding those sponsorship deals and getting the best deals. A damaged reputation gives them less leverage when it comes to negotiating new deals with potential new sponsors.
There is a decision to be made as to whether the potential financial loss is worth more than Mason is. And that is without considering the club's reputation and moral standing.
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