comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Dushane Hill (U11781)
posted 1 minute ago
Defense Minister Yoav Gallant: "I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed. We are fighting human animals and we act accordingly."
This is what what we’re dealing with lads.
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Israel being able to do this to Palestinians indicates a huge problem.
Again you wonder what were the Palestinians thinking would happen?
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It happens all over the world. Nobody cares about the mass genocide in Sri Lanka for example, because it isn’t strategically valuable to the west.
America need to be careful b cause there could be a scenario where theres war on three continents and they are indirectly involved.
This attack was probably orchestrated by Iran, who themselves are a massively oppressive state.
Unfortunately there’s only one winner in this conflict, that’s the state with massive finically investment in their military, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Isreal offer evacuation for Palestinian citizens and Gaza be totally obliterated.
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Bullets, equipment and bombs in storage were nearing their expiry dates. Need a war to use them in, so it's not a complete waste.
The solution is USA and GB should stop pandering to Israel. If you suppress three million people for so long, like Israel has done to Palestine for decades, then eventually they will rise up and fight back. That's exactly what they did at the weekend. Unfortunately lots of innocent people have been killed. But this is Israel's doing in the main for treating their neighbors like trash for so long.
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGJ3hubhx/
The truth of it all
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 46 seconds ago
The solution is USA and GB should stop pandering to Israel. If you suppress three million people for so long, like Israel has done to Palestine for decades, then eventually they will rise up and fight back. That's exactly what they did at the weekend. Unfortunately lots of innocent people have been killed. But this is Israel's doing in the main for treating their neighbors like trash for so long.
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comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 hour, 28 minutes ago
comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 30 minutes ago
or ditch religion, solve more than just israel/palestine problems.
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Isnt this particular conflict about land, not religion.
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its religion that divides them, its land that they are fighting over.
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You made it seem like removing religion would solve the issue which is complete bollox IMO
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Dushane Hill (U11781)
posted 1 minute ago
Defense Minister Yoav Gallant: "I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed. We are fighting human animals and we act accordingly."
This is what what we’re dealing with lads.
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Israel being able to do this to Palestinians indicates a huge problem.
Again you wonder what were the Palestinians thinking would happen?
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It happens all over the world. Nobody cares about the mass genocide in Sri Lanka for example, because it isn’t strategically valuable to the west.
America need to be careful b cause there could be a scenario where theres war on three continents and they are indirectly involved.
This attack was probably orchestrated by Iran, who themselves are a massively oppressive state.
Unfortunately there’s only one winner in this conflict, that’s the state with massive finically investment in their military, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Isreal offer evacuation for Palestinian citizens and Gaza be totally obliterated.
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Bullets, equipment and bombs in storage were nearing their expiry dates. Need a war to use them in, so it's not a complete waste.
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If they aren’t careful we will be wishing we kept that expiring ammunition.
Defending Ukraine may have heeded a warning to China, but they’ve got their fingers in a lot of rotten pies right now.
My guess is the world leaves Isreal to it and we can only hope that innocent people are given refuge, but I won’t put my house on it.
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 1 hour, 24 minutes ago
It used to be Palestinian land. You can gleam that from maps and historian narrative pre-1948 when the UK gave this land to Israel, taking it away from Palestinians.
Easy, give it back to Palestinians and give Israel Wales !
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Who were these Palestinians that you mentioned?
The name "Jerusalem" is Jewish.
In ancient history, we read about the countries and people who lived in that region. Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Persia etc. These people were mentioned in the religious books of the Jews, Muslims and Christians. Not once would you read about a people called Palestinians.
Palestine was just a name given to the region by a Roman general.
Egypt once ruled over Gaza. I would suggest that the UN give Gaza back to Egypt and let them decide what to do with it.
Hamas has failed their people. They can smuggle tonnes of weapons but cry about the blockade and lack of medicine.
I spoke with a Palestinian colleague and asked what their preferred solution is. Her response was that Israel should leave Palestine entirely.
I thought about this and realized that it seems they don't want any resolution and are happy with the constant conflict until Israel is defeated.
Sad.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 6 minutes ago
What annoys me is that it seems that any criticism (even if it's legitimate) of the Israeli state is shouted down as antisemitism.
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This is the issue with positive discrimination.
Look at what has happened to Corbyn.
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I don't see any connection between this and positive discrimination.
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Like Diafol says, any criticism of a minority diverse culture, or people oppressed in previous centuries, are racist.
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That's not positive discrimination. Positive discrimination is when you provide opportunities for people in underprivileged groups. What you're talking about is opposition to racism. You're saying that stigmatisation of racism is problematic, because sometimes accusations of racism are made in bad faith. But I'd argue that the bad faith accusations are the issue, not the fact that lots of people hate racism. And in fact, most people can tell the difference, and don't accept that criticising Israel isn't inherently anti-Semitic.
(With Corbyn there were definitely some pro-Israel voices and some anti-Corbyn ones that used the anti-Semitism accusation in bad faith for heinous political reasons. There were also quite a lot of people who used anti-Semitic rhetoric when supporting Corbyn. That made the whole thing rather thorny, and I think Corbyn had a blind spot about it because he was so used to bad faith criticism that he assumed all of it fell into that category.)
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Fair enough, I’ve taken that out of context, but I don’t agree with positive discrimination, from personal experience it only encourages the claims in “bad faith” and discourages equality of opportunity.
It's long ago that I read the history of Israel.
But I had it in my head that the UK didn't want a separate state. It was the US that agreed to it, under Truman?
I'm probably wrong but I don't remember it being our fault, for once.
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 2 minutes ago
The solution is USA and GB should stop pandering to Israel. If you suppress three million people for so long, like Israel has done to Palestine for decades, then eventually they will rise up and fight back. That's exactly what they did at the weekend. Unfortunately lots of innocent people have been killed. But this is Israel's doing in the main for treating their neighbors like trash for so long.
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Israel should definitely stop oppressing the Palestinian, and the US and UK should apply all the pressure we can.
Just one thing though: the Hamas terrorist attacks isn't the Palestinian people rising up as a whole. It's a paramilitary group which maintains control of Palestinian territory with recourse to coercion, and which is said to be funded by Iran, which in turn has its own self-interested geopolitical objectives in the region (not least, wanting to put a halt to improving Israeli relations with Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states).
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 minutes ago
It's long ago that I read the history of Israel.
But I had it in my head that the UK didn't want a separate state. It was the US that agreed to it, under Truman?
I'm probably wrong but I don't remember it being our fault, for once.
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The UK promised the land to not only Palestine and Israel, but also to divide the land between France and ourselves.
That was over 100 years ago. Israel have slowly taken the land with the benefit of Americas aid.
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 minute ago
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGJ3hubhx/
The truth of it all
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This says it all
Jihadists thinking murdering Jews is OK has been going on for years. It happened in Baghdad in 1941 (in front of my father). It happened in Hebron in 1922. Their preachers fuel the hatred. The Hamas charter praises it.
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 51 seconds ago
Fair enough, I’ve taken that out of context, but I don’t agree with positive discrimination, from personal experience it only encourages the claims in “bad faith” and discourages equality of opportunity.
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Equality of opportunity = institutions are dominated by people from privileged backgrounds. We hear all about the positive discrimination in elite US universities, but not about how many mediocre students get in due to family connections and money. If you want true equality of opportunity, you need to ensure a baseline of equality in the quality of primary and secondary education. Otherwise you get a country where being run by the "best of the best" turns out to mean giving the wheel to buffoons who have been taught they're better than everyone else and how to project absolute confidence while bluffing.
Anyway, we digress.
“. If you want true equality of opportunity, you need to ensure a baseline of equality in the quality of primary and secondary education.”
I totally agree.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 31 seconds ago
It's long ago that I read the history of Israel.
But I had it in my head that the UK didn't want a separate state. It was the US that agreed to it, under Truman?
I'm probably wrong but I don't remember it being our fault, for once.
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The league of nations suggested two separate states drawn along the lines of religion just like India and Pakistan. The Jews accepted but the Arabs kicked against it. This led to the first Arab-Israeli war of 1948.
Then the Nakba happened when Arabs encouraged other Arabs living in Israel to leave so they don't get caught up in the cross fire of another planned offensive. Again, the Jews won the war. The Arabs who left unfortunately could not return anymore.
If any anyone comes across a Palestinian, ask them about their preferred solution. Majority will tell you they want the extermination of the Jews.
If you assume the Jews don't belong in Palestine and hence, should leave the land entirely, then we should apply the same principle to Arabs occupying North African lands, Caucasians in Australia, New Zealand etc.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 51 seconds ago
Fair enough, I’ve taken that out of context, but I don’t agree with positive discrimination, from personal experience it only encourages the claims in “bad faith” and discourages equality of opportunity.
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Equality of opportunity = institutions are dominated by people from privileged backgrounds. We hear all about the positive discrimination in elite US universities, but not about how many mediocre students get in due to family connections and money. If you want true equality of opportunity, you need to ensure a baseline of equality in the quality of primary and secondary education. Otherwise you get a country where being run by the "best of the best" turns out to mean giving the wheel to buffoons who have been taught they're better than everyone else and how to project absolute confidence while bluffing.
Anyway, we digress.
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I'm sorry but I can't get past Boris Johnson as an example of what you posit RR
The answer - or at least a good portion of it - is the one that very nearly came to pass at Taba back in 2000, before (as usual) Israel called it off.
The US & Israel have, at every step, blocked all meaningful and serious efforts for some kind of negotiated settlement. That this isn’t common knowledge is a perfect illustration of the inadequacy of our media landscape.
For as long as all prospects of a settlement of some kind are firmly off the table and, indeed, actively opposed, blocked & undermined, the risks of violent reprisals (“the accumulated evil of whole&rdquo such as what’s happening currently are sharply & predictably exaggerated.
comment by H von H. (U16981)
posted 1 second ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 minute ago
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGJ3hubhx/
The truth of it all
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This says it all
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Summed up.
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 1 hour, 24 minutes ago
It used to be Palestinian land. You can gleam that from maps and historian narrative pre-1948 when the UK gave this land to Israel, taking it away from Palestinians.
Easy, give it back to Palestinians and give Israel Wales !
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Who were these Palestinians that you mentioned?
The name "Jerusalem" is Jewish.
In ancient history, we read about the countries and people who lived in that region. Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Persia etc. These people were mentioned in the religious books of the Jews, Muslims and Christians. Not once would you read about a people called Palestinians.
Palestine was just a name given to the region by a Roman general.
Egypt once ruled over Gaza. I would suggest that the UN give Gaza back to Egypt and let them decide what to do with it.
Hamas has failed their people. They can smuggle tonnes of weapons but cry about the blockade and lack of medicine.
I spoke with a Palestinian colleague and asked what their preferred solution is. Her response was that Israel should leave Palestine entirely.
I thought about this and realized that it seems they don't want any resolution and are happy with the constant conflict until Israel is defeated.
Sad.
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It was not known as Palestine - but at various stages, derivatives of this, including Philistia namely by Greeks and further back as Philistines and this is mentioned in the Bible - so as far back as that! Bible I Samuel.
These Palestinians are some of the descendants of Philistines as mentioned in the Bible.
Jewish emigration to historic Palestine grew over the first decades of the 20th century, especially during the 1930s - it is a recent event,
whats the oldest date we can go back to?
On a separate note we have our own Brexit vote here in Australia this weekend to decide if we’re gonna be a very racist country of a mildly racist country.
The Voice vote to give indigenous people a permanent voice in parliament. Sadly the racists look like they may win and ‘No’ will be the outcome.
Rupert Murdoch and his misinformation network has worked a treat sadly.
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 2 minutes ago
The answer - or at least a good portion of it - is the one that very nearly came to pass at Taba back in 2000, before (as usual) Israel called it off.
The US & Israel have, at every step, blocked all meaningful and serious efforts for some kind of negotiated settlement. That this isn’t common knowledge is a perfect illustration of the inadequacy of our media landscape.
For as long as all prospects of a settlement of some kind are firmly off the table and, indeed, actively opposed, blocked & undermined, the risks of violent reprisals (“the accumulated evil of whole&rdquosuch as what’s happening currently are sharply & predictably exaggerated.
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Israel accepted the two state solution. Hamas does not want that. It's stated clearly in their chatter.
It is surprising how some people would ignore what is clearly stated by Hamas and move on to blame Israel for every provocation. It benefits Hamas every time there is a conflict in the region.
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 1 hour, 24 minutes ago
It used to be Palestinian land. You can gleam that from maps and historian narrative pre-1948 when the UK gave this land to Israel, taking it away from Palestinians.
Easy, give it back to Palestinians and give Israel Wales !
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Who were these Palestinians that you mentioned?
The name "Jerusalem" is Jewish.
In ancient history, we read about the countries and people who lived in that region. Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Persia etc. These people were mentioned in the religious books of the Jews, Muslims and Christians. Not once would you read about a people called Palestinians.
Palestine was just a name given to the region by a Roman general.
Egypt once ruled over Gaza. I would suggest that the UN give Gaza back to Egypt and let them decide what to do with it.
Hamas has failed their people. They can smuggle tonnes of weapons but cry about the blockade and lack of medicine.
I spoke with a Palestinian colleague and asked what their preferred solution is. Her response was that Israel should leave Palestine entirely.
I thought about this and realized that it seems they don't want any resolution and are happy with the constant conflict until Israel is defeated.
Sad.
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It was not known as Palestine - but at various stages, derivatives of this, including Philistia namely by Greeks and further back as Philistines and this is mentioned in the Bible - so as far back as that! Bible I Samuel.
These Palestinians are some of the descendants of Philistines as mentioned in the Bible.
Jewish emigration to historic Palestine grew over the first decades of the 20th century, especially during the 1930s - it is a recent event,
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The Jews were expelled from that land by the Romans. A remnant of them were left after the expulsion.
The return to their ancestral homeland was borne out of the persecution they suffered in Europe.
Today's Palestinians are Arabs and have nothing in common with the Philistines mentioned in the bible.
However, I am in support of a two state solution. Let Hamas focus on the welfare of their people rather than the destruction of Israel and there would be peace.
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 1 hour, 55 minutes ago
Not going to get into who is right or wrong, but again Britain played a part in this on-going war. How people in this country have the audacity to attack others is bewildering to me.
On this matter, what has happened recently, attacking young people at a festival, showering bullets at them is nothing short of an absolute disgrace it does not matter who you support in this fight. Innocent civilians just going by their day, mainly young and their whole lives ahead of them. Horrible scenes!
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Not taking sides as that is pointless but the deaths 2008-2021 were claimed to be :
Palestinians 5600
Israelis 250
Source: Statista May 2021
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posted on 9/10/23
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Dushane Hill (U11781)
posted 1 minute ago
Defense Minister Yoav Gallant: "I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed. We are fighting human animals and we act accordingly."
This is what what we’re dealing with lads.
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Israel being able to do this to Palestinians indicates a huge problem.
Again you wonder what were the Palestinians thinking would happen?
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It happens all over the world. Nobody cares about the mass genocide in Sri Lanka for example, because it isn’t strategically valuable to the west.
America need to be careful b cause there could be a scenario where theres war on three continents and they are indirectly involved.
This attack was probably orchestrated by Iran, who themselves are a massively oppressive state.
Unfortunately there’s only one winner in this conflict, that’s the state with massive finically investment in their military, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Isreal offer evacuation for Palestinian citizens and Gaza be totally obliterated.
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Bullets, equipment and bombs in storage were nearing their expiry dates. Need a war to use them in, so it's not a complete waste.
posted on 9/10/23
The solution is USA and GB should stop pandering to Israel. If you suppress three million people for so long, like Israel has done to Palestine for decades, then eventually they will rise up and fight back. That's exactly what they did at the weekend. Unfortunately lots of innocent people have been killed. But this is Israel's doing in the main for treating their neighbors like trash for so long.
posted on 9/10/23
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGJ3hubhx/
The truth of it all
posted on 9/10/23
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 46 seconds ago
The solution is USA and GB should stop pandering to Israel. If you suppress three million people for so long, like Israel has done to Palestine for decades, then eventually they will rise up and fight back. That's exactly what they did at the weekend. Unfortunately lots of innocent people have been killed. But this is Israel's doing in the main for treating their neighbors like trash for so long.
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posted on 9/10/23
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 hour, 28 minutes ago
comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 30 minutes ago
or ditch religion, solve more than just israel/palestine problems.
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Isnt this particular conflict about land, not religion.
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its religion that divides them, its land that they are fighting over.
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You made it seem like removing religion would solve the issue which is complete bollox IMO
posted on 9/10/23
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Dushane Hill (U11781)
posted 1 minute ago
Defense Minister Yoav Gallant: "I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed. We are fighting human animals and we act accordingly."
This is what what we’re dealing with lads.
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Israel being able to do this to Palestinians indicates a huge problem.
Again you wonder what were the Palestinians thinking would happen?
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It happens all over the world. Nobody cares about the mass genocide in Sri Lanka for example, because it isn’t strategically valuable to the west.
America need to be careful b cause there could be a scenario where theres war on three continents and they are indirectly involved.
This attack was probably orchestrated by Iran, who themselves are a massively oppressive state.
Unfortunately there’s only one winner in this conflict, that’s the state with massive finically investment in their military, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Isreal offer evacuation for Palestinian citizens and Gaza be totally obliterated.
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Bullets, equipment and bombs in storage were nearing their expiry dates. Need a war to use them in, so it's not a complete waste.
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If they aren’t careful we will be wishing we kept that expiring ammunition.
Defending Ukraine may have heeded a warning to China, but they’ve got their fingers in a lot of rotten pies right now.
My guess is the world leaves Isreal to it and we can only hope that innocent people are given refuge, but I won’t put my house on it.
posted on 9/10/23
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 1 hour, 24 minutes ago
It used to be Palestinian land. You can gleam that from maps and historian narrative pre-1948 when the UK gave this land to Israel, taking it away from Palestinians.
Easy, give it back to Palestinians and give Israel Wales !
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Who were these Palestinians that you mentioned?
The name "Jerusalem" is Jewish.
In ancient history, we read about the countries and people who lived in that region. Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Persia etc. These people were mentioned in the religious books of the Jews, Muslims and Christians. Not once would you read about a people called Palestinians.
Palestine was just a name given to the region by a Roman general.
Egypt once ruled over Gaza. I would suggest that the UN give Gaza back to Egypt and let them decide what to do with it.
Hamas has failed their people. They can smuggle tonnes of weapons but cry about the blockade and lack of medicine.
I spoke with a Palestinian colleague and asked what their preferred solution is. Her response was that Israel should leave Palestine entirely.
I thought about this and realized that it seems they don't want any resolution and are happy with the constant conflict until Israel is defeated.
Sad.
posted on 9/10/23
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 6 minutes ago
What annoys me is that it seems that any criticism (even if it's legitimate) of the Israeli state is shouted down as antisemitism.
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This is the issue with positive discrimination.
Look at what has happened to Corbyn.
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I don't see any connection between this and positive discrimination.
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Like Diafol says, any criticism of a minority diverse culture, or people oppressed in previous centuries, are racist.
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That's not positive discrimination. Positive discrimination is when you provide opportunities for people in underprivileged groups. What you're talking about is opposition to racism. You're saying that stigmatisation of racism is problematic, because sometimes accusations of racism are made in bad faith. But I'd argue that the bad faith accusations are the issue, not the fact that lots of people hate racism. And in fact, most people can tell the difference, and don't accept that criticising Israel isn't inherently anti-Semitic.
(With Corbyn there were definitely some pro-Israel voices and some anti-Corbyn ones that used the anti-Semitism accusation in bad faith for heinous political reasons. There were also quite a lot of people who used anti-Semitic rhetoric when supporting Corbyn. That made the whole thing rather thorny, and I think Corbyn had a blind spot about it because he was so used to bad faith criticism that he assumed all of it fell into that category.)
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Fair enough, I’ve taken that out of context, but I don’t agree with positive discrimination, from personal experience it only encourages the claims in “bad faith” and discourages equality of opportunity.
posted on 9/10/23
It's long ago that I read the history of Israel.
But I had it in my head that the UK didn't want a separate state. It was the US that agreed to it, under Truman?
I'm probably wrong but I don't remember it being our fault, for once.
posted on 9/10/23
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 2 minutes ago
The solution is USA and GB should stop pandering to Israel. If you suppress three million people for so long, like Israel has done to Palestine for decades, then eventually they will rise up and fight back. That's exactly what they did at the weekend. Unfortunately lots of innocent people have been killed. But this is Israel's doing in the main for treating their neighbors like trash for so long.
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Israel should definitely stop oppressing the Palestinian, and the US and UK should apply all the pressure we can.
Just one thing though: the Hamas terrorist attacks isn't the Palestinian people rising up as a whole. It's a paramilitary group which maintains control of Palestinian territory with recourse to coercion, and which is said to be funded by Iran, which in turn has its own self-interested geopolitical objectives in the region (not least, wanting to put a halt to improving Israeli relations with Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states).
posted on 9/10/23
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 minutes ago
It's long ago that I read the history of Israel.
But I had it in my head that the UK didn't want a separate state. It was the US that agreed to it, under Truman?
I'm probably wrong but I don't remember it being our fault, for once.
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The UK promised the land to not only Palestine and Israel, but also to divide the land between France and ourselves.
That was over 100 years ago. Israel have slowly taken the land with the benefit of Americas aid.
posted on 9/10/23
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 minute ago
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGJ3hubhx/
The truth of it all
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This says it all
posted on 9/10/23
Jihadists thinking murdering Jews is OK has been going on for years. It happened in Baghdad in 1941 (in front of my father). It happened in Hebron in 1922. Their preachers fuel the hatred. The Hamas charter praises it.
posted on 9/10/23
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 51 seconds ago
Fair enough, I’ve taken that out of context, but I don’t agree with positive discrimination, from personal experience it only encourages the claims in “bad faith” and discourages equality of opportunity.
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Equality of opportunity = institutions are dominated by people from privileged backgrounds. We hear all about the positive discrimination in elite US universities, but not about how many mediocre students get in due to family connections and money. If you want true equality of opportunity, you need to ensure a baseline of equality in the quality of primary and secondary education. Otherwise you get a country where being run by the "best of the best" turns out to mean giving the wheel to buffoons who have been taught they're better than everyone else and how to project absolute confidence while bluffing.
Anyway, we digress.
posted on 9/10/23
“. If you want true equality of opportunity, you need to ensure a baseline of equality in the quality of primary and secondary education.”
I totally agree.
posted on 9/10/23
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 31 seconds ago
It's long ago that I read the history of Israel.
But I had it in my head that the UK didn't want a separate state. It was the US that agreed to it, under Truman?
I'm probably wrong but I don't remember it being our fault, for once.
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The league of nations suggested two separate states drawn along the lines of religion just like India and Pakistan. The Jews accepted but the Arabs kicked against it. This led to the first Arab-Israeli war of 1948.
Then the Nakba happened when Arabs encouraged other Arabs living in Israel to leave so they don't get caught up in the cross fire of another planned offensive. Again, the Jews won the war. The Arabs who left unfortunately could not return anymore.
If any anyone comes across a Palestinian, ask them about their preferred solution. Majority will tell you they want the extermination of the Jews.
If you assume the Jews don't belong in Palestine and hence, should leave the land entirely, then we should apply the same principle to Arabs occupying North African lands, Caucasians in Australia, New Zealand etc.
posted on 9/10/23
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 51 seconds ago
Fair enough, I’ve taken that out of context, but I don’t agree with positive discrimination, from personal experience it only encourages the claims in “bad faith” and discourages equality of opportunity.
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Equality of opportunity = institutions are dominated by people from privileged backgrounds. We hear all about the positive discrimination in elite US universities, but not about how many mediocre students get in due to family connections and money. If you want true equality of opportunity, you need to ensure a baseline of equality in the quality of primary and secondary education. Otherwise you get a country where being run by the "best of the best" turns out to mean giving the wheel to buffoons who have been taught they're better than everyone else and how to project absolute confidence while bluffing.
Anyway, we digress.
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I'm sorry but I can't get past Boris Johnson as an example of what you posit RR
posted on 9/10/23
The answer - or at least a good portion of it - is the one that very nearly came to pass at Taba back in 2000, before (as usual) Israel called it off.
The US & Israel have, at every step, blocked all meaningful and serious efforts for some kind of negotiated settlement. That this isn’t common knowledge is a perfect illustration of the inadequacy of our media landscape.
For as long as all prospects of a settlement of some kind are firmly off the table and, indeed, actively opposed, blocked & undermined, the risks of violent reprisals (“the accumulated evil of whole&rdquo such as what’s happening currently are sharply & predictably exaggerated.
posted on 9/10/23
comment by H von H. (U16981)
posted 1 second ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 minute ago
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGJ3hubhx/
The truth of it all
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This says it all
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Summed up.
posted on 9/10/23
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 1 hour, 24 minutes ago
It used to be Palestinian land. You can gleam that from maps and historian narrative pre-1948 when the UK gave this land to Israel, taking it away from Palestinians.
Easy, give it back to Palestinians and give Israel Wales !
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Who were these Palestinians that you mentioned?
The name "Jerusalem" is Jewish.
In ancient history, we read about the countries and people who lived in that region. Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Persia etc. These people were mentioned in the religious books of the Jews, Muslims and Christians. Not once would you read about a people called Palestinians.
Palestine was just a name given to the region by a Roman general.
Egypt once ruled over Gaza. I would suggest that the UN give Gaza back to Egypt and let them decide what to do with it.
Hamas has failed their people. They can smuggle tonnes of weapons but cry about the blockade and lack of medicine.
I spoke with a Palestinian colleague and asked what their preferred solution is. Her response was that Israel should leave Palestine entirely.
I thought about this and realized that it seems they don't want any resolution and are happy with the constant conflict until Israel is defeated.
Sad.
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It was not known as Palestine - but at various stages, derivatives of this, including Philistia namely by Greeks and further back as Philistines and this is mentioned in the Bible - so as far back as that! Bible I Samuel.
These Palestinians are some of the descendants of Philistines as mentioned in the Bible.
Jewish emigration to historic Palestine grew over the first decades of the 20th century, especially during the 1930s - it is a recent event,
posted on 9/10/23
whats the oldest date we can go back to?
posted on 9/10/23
On a separate note we have our own Brexit vote here in Australia this weekend to decide if we’re gonna be a very racist country of a mildly racist country.
The Voice vote to give indigenous people a permanent voice in parliament. Sadly the racists look like they may win and ‘No’ will be the outcome.
Rupert Murdoch and his misinformation network has worked a treat sadly.
posted on 9/10/23
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 2 minutes ago
The answer - or at least a good portion of it - is the one that very nearly came to pass at Taba back in 2000, before (as usual) Israel called it off.
The US & Israel have, at every step, blocked all meaningful and serious efforts for some kind of negotiated settlement. That this isn’t common knowledge is a perfect illustration of the inadequacy of our media landscape.
For as long as all prospects of a settlement of some kind are firmly off the table and, indeed, actively opposed, blocked & undermined, the risks of violent reprisals (“the accumulated evil of whole&rdquosuch as what’s happening currently are sharply & predictably exaggerated.
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Israel accepted the two state solution. Hamas does not want that. It's stated clearly in their chatter.
It is surprising how some people would ignore what is clearly stated by Hamas and move on to blame Israel for every provocation. It benefits Hamas every time there is a conflict in the region.
posted on 9/10/23
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 1 hour, 24 minutes ago
It used to be Palestinian land. You can gleam that from maps and historian narrative pre-1948 when the UK gave this land to Israel, taking it away from Palestinians.
Easy, give it back to Palestinians and give Israel Wales !
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Who were these Palestinians that you mentioned?
The name "Jerusalem" is Jewish.
In ancient history, we read about the countries and people who lived in that region. Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Persia etc. These people were mentioned in the religious books of the Jews, Muslims and Christians. Not once would you read about a people called Palestinians.
Palestine was just a name given to the region by a Roman general.
Egypt once ruled over Gaza. I would suggest that the UN give Gaza back to Egypt and let them decide what to do with it.
Hamas has failed their people. They can smuggle tonnes of weapons but cry about the blockade and lack of medicine.
I spoke with a Palestinian colleague and asked what their preferred solution is. Her response was that Israel should leave Palestine entirely.
I thought about this and realized that it seems they don't want any resolution and are happy with the constant conflict until Israel is defeated.
Sad.
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It was not known as Palestine - but at various stages, derivatives of this, including Philistia namely by Greeks and further back as Philistines and this is mentioned in the Bible - so as far back as that! Bible I Samuel.
These Palestinians are some of the descendants of Philistines as mentioned in the Bible.
Jewish emigration to historic Palestine grew over the first decades of the 20th century, especially during the 1930s - it is a recent event,
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The Jews were expelled from that land by the Romans. A remnant of them were left after the expulsion.
The return to their ancestral homeland was borne out of the persecution they suffered in Europe.
Today's Palestinians are Arabs and have nothing in common with the Philistines mentioned in the bible.
However, I am in support of a two state solution. Let Hamas focus on the welfare of their people rather than the destruction of Israel and there would be peace.
posted on 9/10/23
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 1 hour, 55 minutes ago
Not going to get into who is right or wrong, but again Britain played a part in this on-going war. How people in this country have the audacity to attack others is bewildering to me.
On this matter, what has happened recently, attacking young people at a festival, showering bullets at them is nothing short of an absolute disgrace it does not matter who you support in this fight. Innocent civilians just going by their day, mainly young and their whole lives ahead of them. Horrible scenes!
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Not taking sides as that is pointless but the deaths 2008-2021 were claimed to be :
Palestinians 5600
Israelis 250
Source: Statista May 2021
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