comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 36 minutes ago
Just rewatched the Celtic penalty decision, I initially didn’t think the ball deflected off Johnston, but it does, there is a slight deflection
What I have noticed however….is that it is Johnstons arm that it deflects off
So the ball is dropping from height, it hits one Celtic players arm, deflects from there and then hits another Celtic players arm
I still think it’s soft yes, but it hit two Celtic players arms on the way down…….so calling it a ridiculous decision when that’s what has happened is a bit strong
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I'll be honest, I'd rather discuss football incidents with the wife .
Dunno what your problem is with that comment mate to be honest
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 44 minutes ago
Dunno what your problem is with that comment mate to be honest
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He wants to pump you
Ha, you lot are $hiter than us !!
Wee Hairy Brenda losing the plot, unravelling under the pressure with his post match comments.
Were the fans in agreement with him that they were happy with the performance and the effort from the players?
He blames Beaton for making the wrong decisions when he didnt make any, said he is incompetent and not capable whilst acknowledging that by the rules it was correct and the rule needs to be addressed.
We on the other hand thought the game kicked off on Sunday with the amount of time it took us to get started. Kelly will have a golden FIFA card after this weekend. Our Strikers couldnt finish their sentences.
We blew a great chance to stretch the lead.
comment by CelticTornado (U4316)
posted 12 hours, 6 minutes ago
It was all about the ref today
That's what's sad .....it actually looked to be heading to a great game today but from the Yang pen it was ruined
The Yang sending off ...is high boot now a sending off ??
Not as far as I knew...although I kind of see why it was given
And the penalty..nothing other than a complete fck up on the officiating, a disgrace of a decision
Complete ineptitude
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Agree apart from the ineptitude bit.
When refs have to make split second decisions based only on what they see (or hear), they can get things wrong. Sometimes they just have to make the best call they can and sometimes it's ineptitude.
But when they can watch an incident from multiple angles, use slo-mo, stills,discuss with colleagues and take as long as they like to come to a decision, it's likely to be something other than ineptitude.
Well colour me surprised.
Blinkers on full both sides of the fence captain 😂
comment by Magnum (3 in a row easy) (U22391)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by CelticTornado (U4316)
posted 12 hours, 6 minutes ago
It was all about the ref today
That's what's sad .....it actually looked to be heading to a great game today but from the Yang pen it was ruined
The Yang sending off ...is high boot now a sending off ??
Not as far as I knew...although I kind of see why it was given
And the penalty..nothing other than a complete fck up on the officiating, a disgrace of a decision
Complete ineptitude
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Agree apart from the ineptitude bit.
When refs have to make split second decisions based only on what they see (or hear), they can get things wrong. Sometimes they just have to make the best call they can and sometimes it's ineptitude.
But when they can watch an incident from multiple angles, use slo-mo, stills,discuss with colleagues and take as long as they like to come to a decision, it's likely to be something other than ineptitude.
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That's embarrassing
The Hearts penalty is the only decision that seems a bad one to me.
The Yang pen and red card are both soft, but expect the pen and red for those now. Plenty examples of reds and pens given for those. Better refs wouldn’t make any difference there. There’s also a quote doing the rounds from what Rodgers said for a boot to the face being a red a couple months ago, so strange if he’s now changing his mind on that one.
Even the Shankland goal ruled out, looks perfectly onside so must have been a baw hair off.
To be honest, I can see why the red and the pen were both given although I don't agree with either.
The issue is that 2 very similar incidents at Fir Park last week were judged very differently. All 4 went against Celtic. That's not good.
The Celtic pen yesterday was a clear pen. Not even a question about it.
"The issue is that 2 very similar incidents at Fir Park last week were judged very differently. All 4 went against Celtic. That's not good."
What's not good?.....the fact that similar incidents were judged differently....or that everything went against Celtic?
Yet you can go further back and see incidents judged the same way. That is a red card more often than not these days.
The hand ball rule has been a mess for a while, and no consistency there. But it’s the first pen that Celtic have conceded in the league all season - strange to suggest the decisions are going against Celtic.
at least wee hairy Brendas comments worked.
Cos we are all talking about the refs decisions rather than how Celtic were outplayed by Hearts and were rotten.
Did Beaton cost yeez the points or is it poor ruling? Brenda blamed both which when talking about the same incident doesnt make much sense at all
I don't get the issue with the ref
Celtic penalty - soft? Yes. It went to VAR. Can VAR provide anything substantial to say it wasn't a penalty? No because there was a trip so there is no way to re-interpret the rule to overturn the onfield decision
Celtic red card - soft? Yes. The referee seen it and awarded a yellow card for high foot. VAR then interpreted the rule to make the ref look again and found a freeze frame to suit a line in the rule by ignoring everything else around the incident.
Hearts penalty - soft? Yes. The referee rightly seen that the ball had bounced about and players were bumping in to each other. VAR then interpreted the rule to make the ref look again and found a freeze frame to suit a line in the rule by ignoring everything else around the incident.
Hearts offside - the lines proved it was off so shut up phannie
My point is that VAR ran this game. The referee was fine. Like many have said the VAR interpretation of the rules is not implemented for the same incidents every game. Two similar incidents by Motherwell v Celtic were not acted upon
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posted 3 hours, 43 minutes ago
comment by Dave The Jackal (U22179)
posted 8 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by Humble Hamish (U21959)
posted 40 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
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comment by Humble Hamish (U21959)
posted 25 minutes ago
I have never seen Brendan have the Celtic fans giving him so much backing as they seem to be today. And that is after a 2-0 defeat in which they were given the cheapest of cheap penalties as a head start.
The mans a genius😂😂😂
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Clearly you’re the only one that thinks that.
Fair play 👍
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There doesn’t seem to be too much chat about the actual game beyond the pens/sending off or Celtics failings today.
Brendan has made it all about Beaton despite the fact he never actually made any on field decisions today.
And plenty of folks seem to be happy to focus on that.
Brendan certainly knows the Celtic fan base well enough.
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What’s this mental narrative trying to suggest Beaton wasn’t really involved in today’s controversial incidents?!! 99 times out of 100 if VAR ask the ref to re-visit a decision it gets changed … which he did 3 times in half an hour in the first half. To suggest VAR officials aren’t massively influential on games like today is just barking.
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Of course Beaton was involved in the process.
At the end of the day it was the refs decision though. We have seen refs stand by their on field decisions lately. It’s entirely up to them.
Rodgers specifically highlighted Beaton because he knew it would have the Celtic fans backing him that they were cheated and take any focus away from the teams failings.
Refs are awful in Scotland. We all know that. Rangers shouldn’t have singled out Collum the way they did. Rodgers could easily have talked about ‘VAR’ in impersonal terms yesterday. He didn’t and we all know why.
It’s certainly seems to have worked in uniting the Celtic fans behind Brendan like no other time this season.
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I very much used to think the same , if they go to the monitor they always change the decision.
This season though there have been quite a few occasions in rangers games where that hasn't been the case. Some of them very surprising and I'm sure one was Don Robertson.
comment by Call Sign (U3627)
posted 4 minutes ago
I don't get the issue with the ref
Celtic penalty - soft? Yes. It went to VAR. Can VAR provide anything substantial to say it wasn't a penalty? No because there was a trip so there is no way to re-interpret the rule to overturn the onfield decision
Celtic red card - soft? Yes. The referee seen it and awarded a yellow card for high foot. VAR then interpreted the rule to make the ref look again and found a freeze frame to suit a line in the rule by ignoring everything else around the incident.
Hearts penalty - soft? Yes. The referee rightly seen that the ball had bounced about and players were bumping in to each other. VAR then interpreted the rule to make the ref look again and found a freeze frame to suit a line in the rule by ignoring everything else around the incident.
Hearts offside - the lines proved it was off so shut up phannie
My point is that VAR ran this game. The referee was fine. Like many have said the VAR interpretation of the rules is not implemented for the same incidents every game. Two similar incidents by Motherwell v Celtic were not acted upon
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comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 32 minutes ago
The Hearts penalty is the only decision that seems a bad one to me.
The Yang pen and red card are both soft, but expect the pen and red for those now. Plenty examples of reds and pens given for those. Better refs wouldn’t make any difference there. There’s also a quote doing the rounds from what Rodgers said for a boot to the face being a red a couple months ago, so strange if he’s now changing his mind on that one.
Even the Shankland goal ruled out, looks perfectly onside so must have been a baw hair off.
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Fwck me 😂
Stunned I am
"My point is that VAR ran this game. The referee was fine. Like many have said the VAR interpretation of the rules is not implemented for the same incidents every game. Two similar incidents by Motherwell v Celtic were not acted upon."
Dujon Sterling was sent off at Ibrox by Don Robertson, Greg Aitken was the VAR
Having given the red initially, Aitken felt the incident should be reviewed, Robertson was sent to the monitor, he reviewed it and stuck with his decision
Yesterday, Robertson was sent to the monitor for both the red card and the Hearts penalty.
You cannot sit and say that VAR reffed this game, the referee is well within his rights to stick with his original decision and disagree with his fellow official.....the same referee yesterday already has previous of doing so within the last month
VAR has an influence, as it should......but it doesn't take the decision out of the referees hands
One thing that is absolutely clear though is that the handball rule is a joke that nobody really understands and when you add rubbish refs to the mix you just have a kind of penalty bingo system
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum are not mine but a fictionalised version loosely based on someone similar to me (U14864)
posted less than a minute ago
One thing that is absolutely clear though is that the handball rule is a joke that nobody really understands and when you add rubbish refs to the mix you just have a kind of penalty bingo system
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👍 The dusty, crusty old farts in Football Associations are to blame. They set the rules and they are clearly not working. In a similar vein, if players were booked for crowding round the ref then it would stop overnight. It works in Rugby - only the captain can question the ref. Likewise, in clear cases of simulation, give a red card and it would stop overnight. Too much sensible logic for the blazers to act upon.
comment by Call Sign (U3627)
posted 25 minutes ago
I don't get the issue with the ref
Celtic penalty - soft? Yes. It went to VAR. Can VAR provide anything substantial to say it wasn't a penalty? No because there was a trip so there is no way to re-interpret the rule to overturn the onfield decision
Celtic red card - soft? Yes. The referee seen it and awarded a yellow card for high foot. VAR then interpreted the rule to make the ref look again and found a freeze frame to suit a line in the rule by ignoring everything else around the incident.
Hearts penalty - soft? Yes. The referee rightly seen that the ball had bounced about and players were bumping in to each other. VAR then interpreted the rule to make the ref look again and found a freeze frame to suit a line in the rule by ignoring everything else around the incident.
Hearts offside - the lines proved it was off so shut up phannie
My point is that VAR ran this game. The referee was fine. Like many have said the VAR interpretation of the rules is not implemented for the same incidents every game. Two similar incidents by Motherwell v Celtic were not acted upon
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Fwck me 😂
Stunned I am
comment by MaHeed'sNippin aka I’m the competen... (U3633)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum are not mine but a fictionalised version loosely based on someone similar to me (U14864)
posted less than a minute ago
One thing that is absolutely clear though is that the handball rule is a joke that nobody really understands and when you add rubbish refs to the mix you just have a kind of penalty bingo system
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👍 The dusty, crusty old farts in Football Associations are to blame. They set the rules and they are clearly not working. In a similar vein, if players were booked for crowding round the ref then it would stop overnight. It works in Rugby - only the captain can question the ref. Likewise, in clear cases of simulation, give a red card and it would stop overnight. Too much sensible logic for the blazers to act upon.
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I definitely think they should start booking any player but the captain for approaching the ref. Seems such an easy decision to make.
I thought the idea of sun bins for that was worth looking at but like everything they have added other stuff to that idea and over complicated it.
I think we all agree that some of the rules (the offside rule and the handball rule in particular) are pash, that VAR is pash and that our refs are pash.
But lets forget any suggestions its anything other than rank pashness.
Celtic got hard done to yesterday with the soft as feck Hearts pen.
Hearts got hard done to with the soft as feck Celtic pen. Its not John Beatons fault Celtic couldnt capitalise on the penalty they were gifted.
Hibs had a shocker of a pen given against them during the week. There have been several examples recently.
Surely the fact that Rangers had a non penalty given against them which ended up with us going a goal behind, playing arguably one of the trickiest fixtures of the season away at Killie during the week, counters any suggestion refs might be on our side.
Look at the tackle on McCausland at the weekend. The boy makes sure he gets a bit of the ball but makes sure he has a good crack at the Rangers player - who ends up having to leave the ground on crutches. Nothing given.
Even our penalty - again its in the soft category but Silva flicks it over the Motherwell players and the two of them are daft enough to continue their challenges. Aye it was a foul but it took about 5 minutes to give it.
No body in black is doing us favours right now.
But as soon as Brendan shouts look - John Beaton is a cheating hoon - that becomes the established narrative from yesterday. Brendan knows his audience thats for sure.
comment by Dave The Jackal (U22179)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Call Sign (U3627)
posted 4 minutes ago
I don't get the issue with the ref
Celtic penalty - soft? Yes. It went to VAR. Can VAR provide anything substantial to say it wasn't a penalty? No because there was a trip so there is no way to re-interpret the rule to overturn the onfield decision
Celtic red card - soft? Yes. The referee seen it and awarded a yellow card for high foot. VAR then interpreted the rule to make the ref look again and found a freeze frame to suit a line in the rule by ignoring everything else around the incident.
Hearts penalty - soft? Yes. The referee rightly seen that the ball had bounced about and players were bumping in to each other. VAR then interpreted the rule to make the ref look again and found a freeze frame to suit a line in the rule by ignoring everything else around the incident.
Hearts offside - the lines proved it was off so shut up phannie
My point is that VAR ran this game. The referee was fine. Like many have said the VAR interpretation of the rules is not implemented for the same incidents every game. Two similar incidents by Motherwell v Celtic were not acted upon
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So it’s only the VAR incidents that went in Hearts favour have a problem with
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by Dave The Jackal (U22179)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Call Sign (U3627)
posted 4 minutes ago
I don't get the issue with the ref
Celtic penalty - soft? Yes. It went to VAR. Can VAR provide anything substantial to say it wasn't a penalty? No because there was a trip so there is no way to re-interpret the rule to overturn the onfield decision
Celtic red card - soft? Yes. The referee seen it and awarded a yellow card for high foot. VAR then interpreted the rule to make the ref look again and found a freeze frame to suit a line in the rule by ignoring everything else around the incident.
Hearts penalty - soft? Yes. The referee rightly seen that the ball had bounced about and players were bumping in to each other. VAR then interpreted the rule to make the ref look again and found a freeze frame to suit a line in the rule by ignoring everything else around the incident.
Hearts offside - the lines proved it was off so shut up phannie
My point is that VAR ran this game. The referee was fine. Like many have said the VAR interpretation of the rules is not implemented for the same incidents every game. Two similar incidents by Motherwell v Celtic were not acted upon
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So it’s only the VAR incidents that went in Hearts favour have a problem with
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I heard Brendan on Radio Scotland.
Banging on about incompetency for every decision that went in Hearts favour.
'Brendan - the penalty awarded to Celtic - does that come in to the questionable category?'
'Aye it could have gone either way, but back to John Beaton'
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 54 minutes ago
"The issue is that 2 very similar incidents at Fir Park last week were judged very differently. All 4 went against Celtic. That's not good."
What's not good?.....the fact that similar incidents were judged differently....or that everything went against Celtic?
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It's not good that everything went against Celtic. Ffs why is that difficult for you?.
4 massive decisions that were at least 50/50 or clearly should have gone to Celtic went the other way.
That's not good from my point of view. Probably great from yours.
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posted on 4/3/24
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 36 minutes ago
Just rewatched the Celtic penalty decision, I initially didn’t think the ball deflected off Johnston, but it does, there is a slight deflection
What I have noticed however….is that it is Johnstons arm that it deflects off
So the ball is dropping from height, it hits one Celtic players arm, deflects from there and then hits another Celtic players arm
I still think it’s soft yes, but it hit two Celtic players arms on the way down…….so calling it a ridiculous decision when that’s what has happened is a bit strong
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I'll be honest, I'd rather discuss football incidents with the wife .
posted on 4/3/24
Dunno what your problem is with that comment mate to be honest
posted on 4/3/24
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 44 minutes ago
Dunno what your problem is with that comment mate to be honest
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He wants to pump you
posted on 4/3/24
Ha, you lot are $hiter than us !!
Wee Hairy Brenda losing the plot, unravelling under the pressure with his post match comments.
Were the fans in agreement with him that they were happy with the performance and the effort from the players?
He blames Beaton for making the wrong decisions when he didnt make any, said he is incompetent and not capable whilst acknowledging that by the rules it was correct and the rule needs to be addressed.
We on the other hand thought the game kicked off on Sunday with the amount of time it took us to get started. Kelly will have a golden FIFA card after this weekend. Our Strikers couldnt finish their sentences.
We blew a great chance to stretch the lead.
posted on 4/3/24
comment by CelticTornado (U4316)
posted 12 hours, 6 minutes ago
It was all about the ref today
That's what's sad .....it actually looked to be heading to a great game today but from the Yang pen it was ruined
The Yang sending off ...is high boot now a sending off ??
Not as far as I knew...although I kind of see why it was given
And the penalty..nothing other than a complete fck up on the officiating, a disgrace of a decision
Complete ineptitude
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Agree apart from the ineptitude bit.
When refs have to make split second decisions based only on what they see (or hear), they can get things wrong. Sometimes they just have to make the best call they can and sometimes it's ineptitude.
But when they can watch an incident from multiple angles, use slo-mo, stills,discuss with colleagues and take as long as they like to come to a decision, it's likely to be something other than ineptitude.
posted on 4/3/24
Well colour me surprised.
Blinkers on full both sides of the fence captain 😂
posted on 4/3/24
comment by Magnum (3 in a row easy) (U22391)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by CelticTornado (U4316)
posted 12 hours, 6 minutes ago
It was all about the ref today
That's what's sad .....it actually looked to be heading to a great game today but from the Yang pen it was ruined
The Yang sending off ...is high boot now a sending off ??
Not as far as I knew...although I kind of see why it was given
And the penalty..nothing other than a complete fck up on the officiating, a disgrace of a decision
Complete ineptitude
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Agree apart from the ineptitude bit.
When refs have to make split second decisions based only on what they see (or hear), they can get things wrong. Sometimes they just have to make the best call they can and sometimes it's ineptitude.
But when they can watch an incident from multiple angles, use slo-mo, stills,discuss with colleagues and take as long as they like to come to a decision, it's likely to be something other than ineptitude.
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That's embarrassing
posted on 4/3/24
The Hearts penalty is the only decision that seems a bad one to me.
The Yang pen and red card are both soft, but expect the pen and red for those now. Plenty examples of reds and pens given for those. Better refs wouldn’t make any difference there. There’s also a quote doing the rounds from what Rodgers said for a boot to the face being a red a couple months ago, so strange if he’s now changing his mind on that one.
Even the Shankland goal ruled out, looks perfectly onside so must have been a baw hair off.
posted on 4/3/24
To be honest, I can see why the red and the pen were both given although I don't agree with either.
The issue is that 2 very similar incidents at Fir Park last week were judged very differently. All 4 went against Celtic. That's not good.
The Celtic pen yesterday was a clear pen. Not even a question about it.
posted on 4/3/24
"The issue is that 2 very similar incidents at Fir Park last week were judged very differently. All 4 went against Celtic. That's not good."
What's not good?.....the fact that similar incidents were judged differently....or that everything went against Celtic?
posted on 4/3/24
Yet you can go further back and see incidents judged the same way. That is a red card more often than not these days.
The hand ball rule has been a mess for a while, and no consistency there. But it’s the first pen that Celtic have conceded in the league all season - strange to suggest the decisions are going against Celtic.
posted on 4/3/24
at least wee hairy Brendas comments worked.
Cos we are all talking about the refs decisions rather than how Celtic were outplayed by Hearts and were rotten.
Did Beaton cost yeez the points or is it poor ruling? Brenda blamed both which when talking about the same incident doesnt make much sense at all
posted on 4/3/24
I don't get the issue with the ref
Celtic penalty - soft? Yes. It went to VAR. Can VAR provide anything substantial to say it wasn't a penalty? No because there was a trip so there is no way to re-interpret the rule to overturn the onfield decision
Celtic red card - soft? Yes. The referee seen it and awarded a yellow card for high foot. VAR then interpreted the rule to make the ref look again and found a freeze frame to suit a line in the rule by ignoring everything else around the incident.
Hearts penalty - soft? Yes. The referee rightly seen that the ball had bounced about and players were bumping in to each other. VAR then interpreted the rule to make the ref look again and found a freeze frame to suit a line in the rule by ignoring everything else around the incident.
Hearts offside - the lines proved it was off so shut up phannie
My point is that VAR ran this game. The referee was fine. Like many have said the VAR interpretation of the rules is not implemented for the same incidents every game. Two similar incidents by Motherwell v Celtic were not acted upon
posted on 4/3/24
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posted 3 hours, 43 minutes ago
comment by Dave The Jackal (U22179)
posted 8 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by Humble Hamish (U21959)
posted 40 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Humble Hamish (U21959)
posted 25 minutes ago
I have never seen Brendan have the Celtic fans giving him so much backing as they seem to be today. And that is after a 2-0 defeat in which they were given the cheapest of cheap penalties as a head start.
The mans a genius😂😂😂
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Clearly you’re the only one that thinks that.
Fair play 👍
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There doesn’t seem to be too much chat about the actual game beyond the pens/sending off or Celtics failings today.
Brendan has made it all about Beaton despite the fact he never actually made any on field decisions today.
And plenty of folks seem to be happy to focus on that.
Brendan certainly knows the Celtic fan base well enough.
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What’s this mental narrative trying to suggest Beaton wasn’t really involved in today’s controversial incidents?!! 99 times out of 100 if VAR ask the ref to re-visit a decision it gets changed … which he did 3 times in half an hour in the first half. To suggest VAR officials aren’t massively influential on games like today is just barking.
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Of course Beaton was involved in the process.
At the end of the day it was the refs decision though. We have seen refs stand by their on field decisions lately. It’s entirely up to them.
Rodgers specifically highlighted Beaton because he knew it would have the Celtic fans backing him that they were cheated and take any focus away from the teams failings.
Refs are awful in Scotland. We all know that. Rangers shouldn’t have singled out Collum the way they did. Rodgers could easily have talked about ‘VAR’ in impersonal terms yesterday. He didn’t and we all know why.
It’s certainly seems to have worked in uniting the Celtic fans behind Brendan like no other time this season.
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I very much used to think the same , if they go to the monitor they always change the decision.
This season though there have been quite a few occasions in rangers games where that hasn't been the case. Some of them very surprising and I'm sure one was Don Robertson.
posted on 4/3/24
comment by Call Sign (U3627)
posted 4 minutes ago
I don't get the issue with the ref
Celtic penalty - soft? Yes. It went to VAR. Can VAR provide anything substantial to say it wasn't a penalty? No because there was a trip so there is no way to re-interpret the rule to overturn the onfield decision
Celtic red card - soft? Yes. The referee seen it and awarded a yellow card for high foot. VAR then interpreted the rule to make the ref look again and found a freeze frame to suit a line in the rule by ignoring everything else around the incident.
Hearts penalty - soft? Yes. The referee rightly seen that the ball had bounced about and players were bumping in to each other. VAR then interpreted the rule to make the ref look again and found a freeze frame to suit a line in the rule by ignoring everything else around the incident.
Hearts offside - the lines proved it was off so shut up phannie
My point is that VAR ran this game. The referee was fine. Like many have said the VAR interpretation of the rules is not implemented for the same incidents every game. Two similar incidents by Motherwell v Celtic were not acted upon
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posted on 4/3/24
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 32 minutes ago
The Hearts penalty is the only decision that seems a bad one to me.
The Yang pen and red card are both soft, but expect the pen and red for those now. Plenty examples of reds and pens given for those. Better refs wouldn’t make any difference there. There’s also a quote doing the rounds from what Rodgers said for a boot to the face being a red a couple months ago, so strange if he’s now changing his mind on that one.
Even the Shankland goal ruled out, looks perfectly onside so must have been a baw hair off.
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Fwck me 😂
Stunned I am
posted on 4/3/24
"My point is that VAR ran this game. The referee was fine. Like many have said the VAR interpretation of the rules is not implemented for the same incidents every game. Two similar incidents by Motherwell v Celtic were not acted upon."
Dujon Sterling was sent off at Ibrox by Don Robertson, Greg Aitken was the VAR
Having given the red initially, Aitken felt the incident should be reviewed, Robertson was sent to the monitor, he reviewed it and stuck with his decision
Yesterday, Robertson was sent to the monitor for both the red card and the Hearts penalty.
You cannot sit and say that VAR reffed this game, the referee is well within his rights to stick with his original decision and disagree with his fellow official.....the same referee yesterday already has previous of doing so within the last month
VAR has an influence, as it should......but it doesn't take the decision out of the referees hands
posted on 4/3/24
One thing that is absolutely clear though is that the handball rule is a joke that nobody really understands and when you add rubbish refs to the mix you just have a kind of penalty bingo system
posted on 4/3/24
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum are not mine but a fictionalised version loosely based on someone similar to me (U14864)
posted less than a minute ago
One thing that is absolutely clear though is that the handball rule is a joke that nobody really understands and when you add rubbish refs to the mix you just have a kind of penalty bingo system
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👍 The dusty, crusty old farts in Football Associations are to blame. They set the rules and they are clearly not working. In a similar vein, if players were booked for crowding round the ref then it would stop overnight. It works in Rugby - only the captain can question the ref. Likewise, in clear cases of simulation, give a red card and it would stop overnight. Too much sensible logic for the blazers to act upon.
posted on 4/3/24
comment by Call Sign (U3627)
posted 25 minutes ago
I don't get the issue with the ref
Celtic penalty - soft? Yes. It went to VAR. Can VAR provide anything substantial to say it wasn't a penalty? No because there was a trip so there is no way to re-interpret the rule to overturn the onfield decision
Celtic red card - soft? Yes. The referee seen it and awarded a yellow card for high foot. VAR then interpreted the rule to make the ref look again and found a freeze frame to suit a line in the rule by ignoring everything else around the incident.
Hearts penalty - soft? Yes. The referee rightly seen that the ball had bounced about and players were bumping in to each other. VAR then interpreted the rule to make the ref look again and found a freeze frame to suit a line in the rule by ignoring everything else around the incident.
Hearts offside - the lines proved it was off so shut up phannie
My point is that VAR ran this game. The referee was fine. Like many have said the VAR interpretation of the rules is not implemented for the same incidents every game. Two similar incidents by Motherwell v Celtic were not acted upon
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Fwck me 😂
Stunned I am
posted on 4/3/24
comment by MaHeed'sNippin aka I’m the competen... (U3633)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum are not mine but a fictionalised version loosely based on someone similar to me (U14864)
posted less than a minute ago
One thing that is absolutely clear though is that the handball rule is a joke that nobody really understands and when you add rubbish refs to the mix you just have a kind of penalty bingo system
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👍 The dusty, crusty old farts in Football Associations are to blame. They set the rules and they are clearly not working. In a similar vein, if players were booked for crowding round the ref then it would stop overnight. It works in Rugby - only the captain can question the ref. Likewise, in clear cases of simulation, give a red card and it would stop overnight. Too much sensible logic for the blazers to act upon.
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I definitely think they should start booking any player but the captain for approaching the ref. Seems such an easy decision to make.
I thought the idea of sun bins for that was worth looking at but like everything they have added other stuff to that idea and over complicated it.
posted on 4/3/24
I think we all agree that some of the rules (the offside rule and the handball rule in particular) are pash, that VAR is pash and that our refs are pash.
But lets forget any suggestions its anything other than rank pashness.
Celtic got hard done to yesterday with the soft as feck Hearts pen.
Hearts got hard done to with the soft as feck Celtic pen. Its not John Beatons fault Celtic couldnt capitalise on the penalty they were gifted.
Hibs had a shocker of a pen given against them during the week. There have been several examples recently.
Surely the fact that Rangers had a non penalty given against them which ended up with us going a goal behind, playing arguably one of the trickiest fixtures of the season away at Killie during the week, counters any suggestion refs might be on our side.
Look at the tackle on McCausland at the weekend. The boy makes sure he gets a bit of the ball but makes sure he has a good crack at the Rangers player - who ends up having to leave the ground on crutches. Nothing given.
Even our penalty - again its in the soft category but Silva flicks it over the Motherwell players and the two of them are daft enough to continue their challenges. Aye it was a foul but it took about 5 minutes to give it.
No body in black is doing us favours right now.
But as soon as Brendan shouts look - John Beaton is a cheating hoon - that becomes the established narrative from yesterday. Brendan knows his audience thats for sure.
posted on 4/3/24
comment by Dave The Jackal (U22179)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Call Sign (U3627)
posted 4 minutes ago
I don't get the issue with the ref
Celtic penalty - soft? Yes. It went to VAR. Can VAR provide anything substantial to say it wasn't a penalty? No because there was a trip so there is no way to re-interpret the rule to overturn the onfield decision
Celtic red card - soft? Yes. The referee seen it and awarded a yellow card for high foot. VAR then interpreted the rule to make the ref look again and found a freeze frame to suit a line in the rule by ignoring everything else around the incident.
Hearts penalty - soft? Yes. The referee rightly seen that the ball had bounced about and players were bumping in to each other. VAR then interpreted the rule to make the ref look again and found a freeze frame to suit a line in the rule by ignoring everything else around the incident.
Hearts offside - the lines proved it was off so shut up phannie
My point is that VAR ran this game. The referee was fine. Like many have said the VAR interpretation of the rules is not implemented for the same incidents every game. Two similar incidents by Motherwell v Celtic were not acted upon
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So it’s only the VAR incidents that went in Hearts favour have a problem with
posted on 4/3/24
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by Dave The Jackal (U22179)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Call Sign (U3627)
posted 4 minutes ago
I don't get the issue with the ref
Celtic penalty - soft? Yes. It went to VAR. Can VAR provide anything substantial to say it wasn't a penalty? No because there was a trip so there is no way to re-interpret the rule to overturn the onfield decision
Celtic red card - soft? Yes. The referee seen it and awarded a yellow card for high foot. VAR then interpreted the rule to make the ref look again and found a freeze frame to suit a line in the rule by ignoring everything else around the incident.
Hearts penalty - soft? Yes. The referee rightly seen that the ball had bounced about and players were bumping in to each other. VAR then interpreted the rule to make the ref look again and found a freeze frame to suit a line in the rule by ignoring everything else around the incident.
Hearts offside - the lines proved it was off so shut up phannie
My point is that VAR ran this game. The referee was fine. Like many have said the VAR interpretation of the rules is not implemented for the same incidents every game. Two similar incidents by Motherwell v Celtic were not acted upon
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So it’s only the VAR incidents that went in Hearts favour have a problem with
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I heard Brendan on Radio Scotland.
Banging on about incompetency for every decision that went in Hearts favour.
'Brendan - the penalty awarded to Celtic - does that come in to the questionable category?'
'Aye it could have gone either way, but back to John Beaton'
posted on 4/3/24
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 54 minutes ago
"The issue is that 2 very similar incidents at Fir Park last week were judged very differently. All 4 went against Celtic. That's not good."
What's not good?.....the fact that similar incidents were judged differently....or that everything went against Celtic?
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It's not good that everything went against Celtic. Ffs why is that difficult for you?.
4 massive decisions that were at least 50/50 or clearly should have gone to Celtic went the other way.
That's not good from my point of view. Probably great from yours.
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