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comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum are not mine but a fictionalised version loosely based on someone similar to me (U14864)
posted less than a minute ago
One thing that is absolutely clear though is that the handball rule is a joke that nobody really understands and when you add rubbish refs to the mix you just have a kind of penalty bingo system
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👍 The dusty, crusty old farts in Football Associations are to blame. They set the rules and they are clearly not working. In a similar vein, if players were booked for crowding round the ref then it would stop overnight. It works in Rugby - only the captain can question the ref. Likewise, in clear cases of simulation, give a red card and it would stop overnight. Too much sensible logic for the blazers to act upon.
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I definitely think they should start booking any player but the captain for approaching the ref. Seems such an easy decision to make.
I thought the idea of sun bins for that was worth looking at but like everything they have added other stuff to that idea and over complicated it.
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I’ve always generally been in favour of VAR in principle, but it’s the way the lawmakers have tried to add more and more to the initial brief that’s fooked it IMO. The initial concept was pretty much to get offsides right (black and white) and correct any obvious howlers, wasn’t it? If they’d stuck to that (in addition to the excellent goal line technology already in place) the game would be in far better place. If we can’t go back to something like that, I’d probably bin it entirely now. That first half yesterday was basically the Beaton show. That’s not why VAR was introduced in the first place.
John Beaton didnt make a single error during the Hearts game. He didnt award any fouls , penalties or red cards durig that game.
What decision Is Rodgers going on about that Beaton was wrong on.
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posted 8 minutes ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum are not mine but a fictionalised version loosely based on someone similar to me (U14864)
posted 1 minute ago
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posted 2 minutes ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum are not mine but a fictionalised version loosely based on someone similar to me (U14864)
posted less than a minute ago
One thing that is absolutely clear though is that the handball rule is a joke that nobody really understands and when you add rubbish refs to the mix you just have a kind of penalty bingo system
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👍 The dusty, crusty old farts in Football Associations are to blame. They set the rules and they are clearly not working. In a similar vein, if players were booked for crowding round the ref then it would stop overnight. It works in Rugby - only the captain can question the ref. Likewise, in clear cases of simulation, give a red card and it would stop overnight. Too much sensible logic for the blazers to act upon.
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I definitely think they should start booking any player but the captain for approaching the ref. Seems such an easy decision to make.
I thought the idea of sun bins for that was worth looking at but like everything they have added other stuff to that idea and over complicated it.
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I’ve always generally been in favour of VAR in principle, but it’s the way the lawmakers have tried to add more and more to the initial brief that’s fooked it IMO. The initial concept was pretty much to get offsides right (black and white) and correct any obvious howlers, wasn’t it? If they’d stuck to that (in addition to the excellent goal line technology already in place) the game would be in far better place. If we can’t go back to something like that, I’d probably bin it entirely now. That first half yesterday was basically the Beaton show. That’s not why VAR was introduced in the first place.
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Yeah totally agree with that. I was all for var and to some extent still am but they have massively overcomplicated it.
The offside and handball rules have become ridiculous.
I'd love to see them start again with it.
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 8 minutes ago
John Beaton didnt make a single error during the Hearts game. He didnt award any fouls , penalties or red cards durig that game.
What decision Is Rodgers going on about that Beaton was wrong on.
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Are you being deliberately obtuse for the fwckabootery or don’t you genuinely understand that VAR decided to get involved in every single contentious decision. In doing that they heavily intimated the referee got them wrong and provided whatever lines, stills or the likes to support it.
Add in a lily livered referee who now has an easy scapegoat and the end result is 99% the same.
VAR has gone way beyond its brief now and is in reality damaging the game as a spectacle.
It was a simple process. If there’s a very clear and obvious mistake then get involved. If not, let the referee do his job. What’s happening now is that practically every penalty box incident is scrutinised to “try” and find something wrong.
It’s awful. For every team that is.
comment by Magnum (3 in a row easy) (U22391)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 54 minutes ago
"The issue is that 2 very similar incidents at Fir Park last week were judged very differently. All 4 went against Celtic. That's not good."
What's not good?.....the fact that similar incidents were judged differently....or that everything went against Celtic?
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It's not good that everything went against Celtic. Ffs why is that difficult for you?.
4 massive decisions that were at least 50/50 or clearly should have gone to Celtic went the other way.
That's not good from my point of view. Probably great from yours.
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I'm asking these questions because you are implying that the refs have cheated, which is embarrassing
Your earlier post basically said that because VAR has time to look at incidents, they can make a better judgement call than a referee can in a split second...so if that decision is wrong, it's more likely that said VAR is actually cheating bastirts, rather than just making an error or interpreting the rules pretty poorly
These kind of statements really are utterly ridiculous
So I asked the question above, because the fact things have went against Celtic seem to be all you care about
The issue is that similar incidents are being judged differently...that is the only issue
Goin by what you are saying, if the similar incidents had been judged differently, and none of them went against Celtic, you'd be perfectly fcking happy with that
Drop the bias $hite mate
Your team have had more penalties given to them than any other team in the league this season
Only one penalty has been given against you this season...the very soft call that went against you at Tynecastle yesterday
The minute that happens....our comes the bias bollox again...it's pathetic mate, so I'll say it again, fcking rein it in
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comment by Dave The Jackal (U22179)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum are not mine but a fictionalised version loosely based on someone similar to me (U14864)
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posted 2 minutes ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum are not mine but a fictionalised version loosely based on someone similar to me (U14864)
posted less than a minute ago
One thing that is absolutely clear though is that the handball rule is a joke that nobody really understands and when you add rubbish refs to the mix you just have a kind of penalty bingo system
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👍 The dusty, crusty old farts in Football Associations are to blame. They set the rules and they are clearly not working. In a similar vein, if players were booked for crowding round the ref then it would stop overnight. It works in Rugby - only the captain can question the ref. Likewise, in clear cases of simulation, give a red card and it would stop overnight. Too much sensible logic for the blazers to act upon.
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I definitely think they should start booking any player but the captain for approaching the ref. Seems such an easy decision to make.
I thought the idea of sun bins for that was worth looking at but like everything they have added other stuff to that idea and over complicated it.
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I’ve always generally been in favour of VAR in principle, but it’s the way the lawmakers have tried to add more and more to the initial brief that’s fooked it IMO. The initial concept was pretty much to get offsides right (black and white) and correct any obvious howlers, wasn’t it? If they’d stuck to that (in addition to the excellent goal line technology already in place) the game would be in far better place. If we can’t go back to something like that, I’d probably bin it entirely now. That first half yesterday was basically the Beaton show. That’s not why VAR was introduced in the first place.
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Yeah totally agree with that. I was all for var and to some extent still am but they have massively overcomplicated it.
The offside and handball rules have become ridiculous.
I'd love to see them start again with it.
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Learning from the process might help but they seem incapable of doing that.
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posted 14 minutes ago
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posted 2 minutes ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum are not mine but a fictionalised version loosely based on someone similar to me (U14864)
posted less than a minute ago
One thing that is absolutely clear though is that the handball rule is a joke that nobody really understands and when you add rubbish refs to the mix you just have a kind of penalty bingo system
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👍 The dusty, crusty old farts in Football Associations are to blame. They set the rules and they are clearly not working. In a similar vein, if players were booked for crowding round the ref then it would stop overnight. It works in Rugby - only the captain can question the ref. Likewise, in clear cases of simulation, give a red card and it would stop overnight. Too much sensible logic for the blazers to act upon.
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I definitely think they should start booking any player but the captain for approaching the ref. Seems such an easy decision to make.
I thought the idea of sun bins for that was worth looking at but like everything they have added other stuff to that idea and over complicated it.
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I’ve always generally been in favour of VAR in principle, but it’s the way the lawmakers have tried to add more and more to the initial brief that’s fooked it IMO. The initial concept was pretty much to get offsides right (black and white) and correct any obvious howlers, wasn’t it? If they’d stuck to that (in addition to the excellent goal line technology already in place) the game would be in far better place. If we can’t go back to something like that, I’d probably bin it entirely now. That first half yesterday was basically the Beaton show. That’s not why VAR was introduced in the first place.
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Largely agree with that - except the Beaton part. He’s done same as we’ve seen over last year.
Issue is its only a problem now because it’s gone against Celtic, in a game that mattered for Celtic.
We were told to suck it up earlier when there was the rule you’d have seen a foul for before VAR going against Dessers in the old firm game
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 8 minutes ago
John Beaton didnt make a single error during the Hearts game. He didnt award any fouls , penalties or red cards durig that game.
What decision Is Rodgers going on about that Beaton was wrong on.
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Are you being deliberately obtuse for the fwckabootery or don’t you genuinely understand that VAR decided to get involved in every single contentious decision. In doing that they heavily intimated the referee got them wrong and provided whatever lines, stills or the likes to support it.
Add in a lily livered referee who now has an easy scapegoat and the end result is 99% the same.
VAR has gone way beyond its brief now and is in reality damaging the game as a spectacle.
It was a simple process. If there’s a very clear and obvious mistake then get involved. If not, let the referee do his job. What’s happening now is that practically every penalty box incident is scrutinised to “try” and find something wrong.
It’s awful. For every team that is.
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John Beaton didnt make any decision that influenced the game.
You have no idea what discussions took place between the ref and Beaton or any other VAR room.
The ref can request to review something after conversation with VAR it doesnt have to be the refs in the room.
If the ref is in discussion and there is a difference in perspective the ref can request to see the video. its not just the VAR room.
Rodgers said that Beaton and VAR cost you the game, all decisions were made by the ref. Im asking for clarification on how he cost you the points like he claims.
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posted about a minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 8 minutes ago
John Beaton didnt make a single error during the Hearts game. He didnt award any fouls , penalties or red cards durig that game.
What decision Is Rodgers going on about that Beaton was wrong on.
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Are you being deliberately obtuse for the fwckabootery or don’t you genuinely understand that VAR decided to get involved in every single contentious decision. In doing that they heavily intimated the referee got them wrong and provided whatever lines, stills or the likes to support it.
Add in a lily livered referee who now has an easy scapegoat and the end result is 99% the same.
VAR has gone way beyond its brief now and is in reality damaging the game as a spectacle.
It was a simple process. If there’s a very clear and obvious mistake then get involved. If not, let the referee do his job. What’s happening now is that practically every penalty box incident is scrutinised to “try” and find something wrong.
It’s awful. For every team that is.
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John Beaton didnt make any decision that influenced the game.
You have no idea what discussions took place between the ref and Beaton or any other VAR room.
The ref can request to review something after conversation with VAR it doesnt have to be the refs in the room.
If the ref is in discussion and there is a difference in perspective the ref can request to see the video. its not just the VAR room.
Rodgers said that Beaton and VAR cost you the game, all decisions were made by the ref. Im asking for clarification on how he cost you the points like he claims.
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You gebuinny didn’t get what I wrote?
Okay. I’ll leave it there
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum are not mine but a fictionalised version loosely based on someone similar to me (U14864)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Dave The Jackal (U22179)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum are not mine but a fictionalised version loosely based on someone similar to me (U14864)
posted 1 minute ago
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posted 2 minutes ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum are not mine but a fictionalised version loosely based on someone similar to me (U14864)
posted less than a minute ago
One thing that is absolutely clear though is that the handball rule is a joke that nobody really understands and when you add rubbish refs to the mix you just have a kind of penalty bingo system
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👍 The dusty, crusty old farts in Football Associations are to blame. They set the rules and they are clearly not working. In a similar vein, if players were booked for crowding round the ref then it would stop overnight. It works in Rugby - only the captain can question the ref. Likewise, in clear cases of simulation, give a red card and it would stop overnight. Too much sensible logic for the blazers to act upon.
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I definitely think they should start booking any player but the captain for approaching the ref. Seems such an easy decision to make.
I thought the idea of sun bins for that was worth looking at but like everything they have added other stuff to that idea and over complicated it.
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I’ve always generally been in favour of VAR in principle, but it’s the way the lawmakers have tried to add more and more to the initial brief that’s fooked it IMO. The initial concept was pretty much to get offsides right (black and white) and correct any obvious howlers, wasn’t it? If they’d stuck to that (in addition to the excellent goal line technology already in place) the game would be in far better place. If we can’t go back to something like that, I’d probably bin it entirely now. That first half yesterday was basically the Beaton show. That’s not why VAR was introduced in the first place.
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Yeah totally agree with that. I was all for var and to some extent still am but they have massively overcomplicated it.
The offside and handball rules have become ridiculous.
I'd love to see them start again with it.
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BTW my thoughts aren’t a reaction to yesterday, altho I’m still raging about that! I’ve been thinking the same about VAR all season, mainly from watching games in the Prem. The level of resources and professionalism of officiating down South are WAY higher than up here, yet they’re still making an inconsistent dog’s dinner of VAR, by trying to micro-manage or re-referee far too many aspects of the game … and still making a coont of it, while sucking the life out of crowd atmosphere at the games. If they can’t get it remotely right there then we’ve no chance … unless we go back to basics with VAR. Simplify it or bin it.
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posted 4 minutes ago
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Yeah totally agree with that. I was all for var and to some extent still am but they have massively overcomplicated it.
The offside and handball rules have become ridiculous.
I'd love to see them start again with it.
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They really need to go back to first principles with these laws - why were they actually introduced in the first place.
The purpose of the handball rule was to stop players gaining an unfair advantage by the illegal use of their hands/arms.
Its since become - can we trawl through footage and find any way to justify a penalty where the ball inadvertently comes into contact with a hand/arm even though it had absolutely no impact on the passage of play.
Offside was to maintain the structure of the game, prevent goal hanging etc. Its now become - can we apply computer technology to find the slightest part of a forwards body that has edged in front of the defender by a split second in order to disallow a goal?
For me with offside in particular - if it is so close that it takes more than 60 seconds to come to a decision then award in favour of the attacker.
These two rules in particular are killing the game.
For offside I'm a fan of the Wenger proposal. Fed up hearing stuff like his armpit is offside, etc. Would clear things up massively. Would also lead to more goals.
As for I also think they should broadcast the audio live where they can and release it after where they can't. You would at least know why the made the call.
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posted 3 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted about a minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 8 minutes ago
John Beaton didnt make a single error during the Hearts game. He didnt award any fouls , penalties or red cards durig that game.
What decision Is Rodgers going on about that Beaton was wrong on.
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Are you being deliberately obtuse for the fwckabootery or don’t you genuinely understand that VAR decided to get involved in every single contentious decision. In doing that they heavily intimated the referee got them wrong and provided whatever lines, stills or the likes to support it.
Add in a lily livered referee who now has an easy scapegoat and the end result is 99% the same.
VAR has gone way beyond its brief now and is in reality damaging the game as a spectacle.
It was a simple process. If there’s a very clear and obvious mistake then get involved. If not, let the referee do his job. What’s happening now is that practically every penalty box incident is scrutinised to “try” and find something wrong.
It’s awful. For every team that is.
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John Beaton didnt make any decision that influenced the game.
You have no idea what discussions took place between the ref and Beaton or any other VAR room.
The ref can request to review something after conversation with VAR it doesnt have to be the refs in the room.
If the ref is in discussion and there is a difference in perspective the ref can request to see the video. its not just the VAR room.
Rodgers said that Beaton and VAR cost you the game, all decisions were made by the ref. Im asking for clarification on how he cost you the points like he claims.
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You gebuinny didn’t get what I wrote?
Okay. I’ll leave it there
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I did you have no idea if the ref called for a VAR replay or the VAR room instructed him to go look at incidents.
for eg, the high boot, VAR room: "that was a high boot head level you are happy that not a red." Ref: "I couldnt see it properly tbh, there was a player in the way, let me see it again"
thats a perfectly plausible sequence of events, but we will go with the narrative that Beaton made the call, he is trying to influence the ref.
you played $hit , got pumped and deserved what you got, Rodgers played the VAR card to deflect and your all falling hook line and sinker for it.
100% in favour of the audio discussions between the ref and VAR being broadcast, would help to understand how a decision has been arrived at.
Like the Scotland vs France rugby the other week, think we can all agree that it was clearly a try, TMO basically said "there is the grounding" at one point then decided to review again and came out with this "it's still inconclusive" crap....but it at least gave you an idea of what they were thinking, the try was only disallowed because there was not a clear angle of the ball actually making contact with the ground, as $hite as that is, that's the rules
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posted 3 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted about a minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 8 minutes ago
John Beaton didnt make a single error during the Hearts game. He didnt award any fouls , penalties or red cards durig that game.
What decision Is Rodgers going on about that Beaton was wrong on.
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Are you being deliberately obtuse for the fwckabootery or don’t you genuinely understand that VAR decided to get involved in every single contentious decision. In doing that they heavily intimated the referee got them wrong and provided whatever lines, stills or the likes to support it.
Add in a lily livered referee who now has an easy scapegoat and the end result is 99% the same.
VAR has gone way beyond its brief now and is in reality damaging the game as a spectacle.
It was a simple process. If there’s a very clear and obvious mistake then get involved. If not, let the referee do his job. What’s happening now is that practically every penalty box incident is scrutinised to “try” and find something wrong.
It’s awful. For every team that is.
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John Beaton didnt make any decision that influenced the game.
You have no idea what discussions took place between the ref and Beaton or any other VAR room.
The ref can request to review something after conversation with VAR it doesnt have to be the refs in the room.
If the ref is in discussion and there is a difference in perspective the ref can request to see the video. its not just the VAR room.
Rodgers said that Beaton and VAR cost you the game, all decisions were made by the ref. Im asking for clarification on how he cost you the points like he claims.
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You gebuinny didn’t get what I wrote?
Okay. I’ll leave it there
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I did you have no idea if the ref called for a VAR replay or the VAR room instructed him to go look at incidents.
for eg, the high boot, VAR room: "that was a high boot head level you are happy that not a red." Ref: "I couldnt see it properly tbh, there was a player in the way, let me see it again"
thats a perfectly plausible sequence of events, but we will go with the narrative that Beaton made the call, he is trying to influence the ref.
you played $hit , got pumped and deserved what you got, Rodgers played the VAR card to deflect and your all falling hook line and sinker for it.
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Rodgers played the cheating Beaton hoon card without the special sauce.
Because he knew Celtic fans would lap it up.
Celtic blew the chance to go top of the league and all the chat is about John Beaton. Not just VAR - but John Beaton on VAR.
Despite losing 2-0 to Hearts Celtic fans seem united and on the same page as the Manager.
Top class management by Brendan.
Also haven’t seen much said about the Johnston challenge on Tait that could easily have been a red.
Wouldn’t be surprised to see a red given to Johnston there.
making the audios available upon review and real time would be a benefit.
We asked that to be the case, seem to remember us getting slaughtered for it.
the biggest problem with VAR is the ignorance the fans have. Not only with the rules but also the discussions. The managers are worse however cos they are aware of the possibilities and how it runs yet will bring up subjects and points they know are flawed in regards to VAR to cover their own backs or to deflect.
Why call out Beaton? Because he has ‘form” drinking with his Rangers pals in the pub. A few seasons ago he ignored 3 bookable offences committed by Morelos in a Rangers game against Celtic. Aye bit etc……
Funny how when that infamous Goldson handball wasn't given at Ibrox, it was referee "Brother John Beaton" that copped the whack for not giving it......Willie Collum in the VAR room largely got off scot free despite the fact he didn't even feel the need to call Beaton over to the monitor
Yet at Tynecastle yesterday, Robertson is the ref, Beaton is the VAR....Beaton calls Robertson over to the monitor, Robertson having seen the VAR footage decides its a penalty....but who cops the whack for it?.....you guessed it, "Brother John Beaton"
BR has been a disaster so far at Celtic so I will not defend him for that. We deserve better. His comments re Beaton are valid though.
comment by MaHeed'sNippin aka I’m the competent Wullie Collum (U3633)
posted 1 minute ago
Why call out Beaton? Because he has ‘form” drinking with his Rangers pals in the pub. A few seasons ago he ignored 3 bookable offences committed by Morelos in a Rangers game against Celtic. Aye bit etc……
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there you have it , the main problem....
Celtic Da's have no interest in the actual facts or procedures.
"He's a hvn bassa, get him called oot" not actually anything of any fact based on the actual game you got pumped in.
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 1 hour, 44 minutes ago
Even the Shankland goal ruled out, looks perfectly onside so must have been a baw hair off.
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If your baw hairs are 2ft wide you must need another jacket just for your tackle?
Mental that Beaton is still getting the blame.
No mention of the fact VAR didn't intervene with the Celtic penalty and it wasn't VAR that went on to miss the Celtic penalty. It was VAR that disallowed the Shankland goal.
VAR highlighted 2 incidents that Rodgers has been clever in calling out because he knows the reaction it would get the minute Beaton's name is mentioned.
But the reality is both decisions - whilst harsh - are consistent with previous games and outcomes. Its not a conspiracy when Celtic are treated the same way as everyone else and don't seem to be able to handle it.
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 3 minutes ago
Funny how when that infamous Goldson handball wasn't given at Ibrox, it was referee "Brother John Beaton" that copped the whack for not giving it......Willie Collum in the VAR room largely got off scot free despite the fact he didn't even feel the need to call Beaton over to the monitor
Yet at Tynecastle yesterday, Robertson is the ref, Beaton is the VAR....Beaton calls Robertson over to the monitor, Robertson having seen the VAR footage decides its a penalty....but who cops the whack for it?.....you guessed it, "Brother John Beaton"
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again, no one knows who made the request to go view the monitor. the ref can make the request to see it just as much as the VAR room can suggest he looks at it.
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comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum are not mine but a fictionalised version loosely based on someone similar to me (U14864)
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One thing that is absolutely clear though is that the handball rule is a joke that nobody really understands and when you add rubbish refs to the mix you just have a kind of penalty bingo system
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👍 The dusty, crusty old farts in Football Associations are to blame. They set the rules and they are clearly not working. In a similar vein, if players were booked for crowding round the ref then it would stop overnight. It works in Rugby - only the captain can question the ref. Likewise, in clear cases of simulation, give a red card and it would stop overnight. Too much sensible logic for the blazers to act upon.
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I definitely think they should start booking any player but the captain for approaching the ref. Seems such an easy decision to make.
I thought the idea of sun bins for that was worth looking at but like everything they have added other stuff to that idea and over complicated it.
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I’ve always generally been in favour of VAR in principle, but it’s the way the lawmakers have tried to add more and more to the initial brief that’s fooked it IMO. The initial concept was pretty much to get offsides right (black and white) and correct any obvious howlers, wasn’t it? If they’d stuck to that (in addition to the excellent goal line technology already in place) the game would be in far better place. If we can’t go back to something like that, I’d probably bin it entirely now. That first half yesterday was basically the Beaton show. That’s not why VAR was introduced in the first place.
posted on 4/3/24
John Beaton didnt make a single error during the Hearts game. He didnt award any fouls , penalties or red cards durig that game.
What decision Is Rodgers going on about that Beaton was wrong on.
posted on 4/3/24
comment by Dave The Jackal (U22179)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum are not mine but a fictionalised version loosely based on someone similar to me (U14864)
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posted 2 minutes ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum are not mine but a fictionalised version loosely based on someone similar to me (U14864)
posted less than a minute ago
One thing that is absolutely clear though is that the handball rule is a joke that nobody really understands and when you add rubbish refs to the mix you just have a kind of penalty bingo system
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👍 The dusty, crusty old farts in Football Associations are to blame. They set the rules and they are clearly not working. In a similar vein, if players were booked for crowding round the ref then it would stop overnight. It works in Rugby - only the captain can question the ref. Likewise, in clear cases of simulation, give a red card and it would stop overnight. Too much sensible logic for the blazers to act upon.
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I definitely think they should start booking any player but the captain for approaching the ref. Seems such an easy decision to make.
I thought the idea of sun bins for that was worth looking at but like everything they have added other stuff to that idea and over complicated it.
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I’ve always generally been in favour of VAR in principle, but it’s the way the lawmakers have tried to add more and more to the initial brief that’s fooked it IMO. The initial concept was pretty much to get offsides right (black and white) and correct any obvious howlers, wasn’t it? If they’d stuck to that (in addition to the excellent goal line technology already in place) the game would be in far better place. If we can’t go back to something like that, I’d probably bin it entirely now. That first half yesterday was basically the Beaton show. That’s not why VAR was introduced in the first place.
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Yeah totally agree with that. I was all for var and to some extent still am but they have massively overcomplicated it.
The offside and handball rules have become ridiculous.
I'd love to see them start again with it.
posted on 4/3/24
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 8 minutes ago
John Beaton didnt make a single error during the Hearts game. He didnt award any fouls , penalties or red cards durig that game.
What decision Is Rodgers going on about that Beaton was wrong on.
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Are you being deliberately obtuse for the fwckabootery or don’t you genuinely understand that VAR decided to get involved in every single contentious decision. In doing that they heavily intimated the referee got them wrong and provided whatever lines, stills or the likes to support it.
Add in a lily livered referee who now has an easy scapegoat and the end result is 99% the same.
VAR has gone way beyond its brief now and is in reality damaging the game as a spectacle.
It was a simple process. If there’s a very clear and obvious mistake then get involved. If not, let the referee do his job. What’s happening now is that practically every penalty box incident is scrutinised to “try” and find something wrong.
It’s awful. For every team that is.
posted on 4/3/24
comment by Magnum (3 in a row easy) (U22391)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 54 minutes ago
"The issue is that 2 very similar incidents at Fir Park last week were judged very differently. All 4 went against Celtic. That's not good."
What's not good?.....the fact that similar incidents were judged differently....or that everything went against Celtic?
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It's not good that everything went against Celtic. Ffs why is that difficult for you?.
4 massive decisions that were at least 50/50 or clearly should have gone to Celtic went the other way.
That's not good from my point of view. Probably great from yours.
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I'm asking these questions because you are implying that the refs have cheated, which is embarrassing
Your earlier post basically said that because VAR has time to look at incidents, they can make a better judgement call than a referee can in a split second...so if that decision is wrong, it's more likely that said VAR is actually cheating bastirts, rather than just making an error or interpreting the rules pretty poorly
These kind of statements really are utterly ridiculous
So I asked the question above, because the fact things have went against Celtic seem to be all you care about
The issue is that similar incidents are being judged differently...that is the only issue
Goin by what you are saying, if the similar incidents had been judged differently, and none of them went against Celtic, you'd be perfectly fcking happy with that
Drop the bias $hite mate
Your team have had more penalties given to them than any other team in the league this season
Only one penalty has been given against you this season...the very soft call that went against you at Tynecastle yesterday
The minute that happens....our comes the bias bollox again...it's pathetic mate, so I'll say it again, fcking rein it in
posted on 4/3/24
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum... (U14864)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Dave The Jackal (U22179)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum are not mine but a fictionalised version loosely based on someone similar to me (U14864)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by MaHeed'sNippin aka I’m the competen... (U3633)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum are not mine but a fictionalised version loosely based on someone similar to me (U14864)
posted less than a minute ago
One thing that is absolutely clear though is that the handball rule is a joke that nobody really understands and when you add rubbish refs to the mix you just have a kind of penalty bingo system
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👍 The dusty, crusty old farts in Football Associations are to blame. They set the rules and they are clearly not working. In a similar vein, if players were booked for crowding round the ref then it would stop overnight. It works in Rugby - only the captain can question the ref. Likewise, in clear cases of simulation, give a red card and it would stop overnight. Too much sensible logic for the blazers to act upon.
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I definitely think they should start booking any player but the captain for approaching the ref. Seems such an easy decision to make.
I thought the idea of sun bins for that was worth looking at but like everything they have added other stuff to that idea and over complicated it.
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I’ve always generally been in favour of VAR in principle, but it’s the way the lawmakers have tried to add more and more to the initial brief that’s fooked it IMO. The initial concept was pretty much to get offsides right (black and white) and correct any obvious howlers, wasn’t it? If they’d stuck to that (in addition to the excellent goal line technology already in place) the game would be in far better place. If we can’t go back to something like that, I’d probably bin it entirely now. That first half yesterday was basically the Beaton show. That’s not why VAR was introduced in the first place.
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Yeah totally agree with that. I was all for var and to some extent still am but they have massively overcomplicated it.
The offside and handball rules have become ridiculous.
I'd love to see them start again with it.
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Learning from the process might help but they seem incapable of doing that.
posted on 4/3/24
comment by Dave The Jackal (U22179)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum are not mine but a fictionalised version loosely based on someone similar to me (U14864)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by MaHeed'sNippin aka I’m the competen... (U3633)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum are not mine but a fictionalised version loosely based on someone similar to me (U14864)
posted less than a minute ago
One thing that is absolutely clear though is that the handball rule is a joke that nobody really understands and when you add rubbish refs to the mix you just have a kind of penalty bingo system
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👍 The dusty, crusty old farts in Football Associations are to blame. They set the rules and they are clearly not working. In a similar vein, if players were booked for crowding round the ref then it would stop overnight. It works in Rugby - only the captain can question the ref. Likewise, in clear cases of simulation, give a red card and it would stop overnight. Too much sensible logic for the blazers to act upon.
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I definitely think they should start booking any player but the captain for approaching the ref. Seems such an easy decision to make.
I thought the idea of sun bins for that was worth looking at but like everything they have added other stuff to that idea and over complicated it.
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I’ve always generally been in favour of VAR in principle, but it’s the way the lawmakers have tried to add more and more to the initial brief that’s fooked it IMO. The initial concept was pretty much to get offsides right (black and white) and correct any obvious howlers, wasn’t it? If they’d stuck to that (in addition to the excellent goal line technology already in place) the game would be in far better place. If we can’t go back to something like that, I’d probably bin it entirely now. That first half yesterday was basically the Beaton show. That’s not why VAR was introduced in the first place.
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Largely agree with that - except the Beaton part. He’s done same as we’ve seen over last year.
Issue is its only a problem now because it’s gone against Celtic, in a game that mattered for Celtic.
We were told to suck it up earlier when there was the rule you’d have seen a foul for before VAR going against Dessers in the old firm game
posted on 4/3/24
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 8 minutes ago
John Beaton didnt make a single error during the Hearts game. He didnt award any fouls , penalties or red cards durig that game.
What decision Is Rodgers going on about that Beaton was wrong on.
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Are you being deliberately obtuse for the fwckabootery or don’t you genuinely understand that VAR decided to get involved in every single contentious decision. In doing that they heavily intimated the referee got them wrong and provided whatever lines, stills or the likes to support it.
Add in a lily livered referee who now has an easy scapegoat and the end result is 99% the same.
VAR has gone way beyond its brief now and is in reality damaging the game as a spectacle.
It was a simple process. If there’s a very clear and obvious mistake then get involved. If not, let the referee do his job. What’s happening now is that practically every penalty box incident is scrutinised to “try” and find something wrong.
It’s awful. For every team that is.
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John Beaton didnt make any decision that influenced the game.
You have no idea what discussions took place between the ref and Beaton or any other VAR room.
The ref can request to review something after conversation with VAR it doesnt have to be the refs in the room.
If the ref is in discussion and there is a difference in perspective the ref can request to see the video. its not just the VAR room.
Rodgers said that Beaton and VAR cost you the game, all decisions were made by the ref. Im asking for clarification on how he cost you the points like he claims.
posted on 4/3/24
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted about a minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 8 minutes ago
John Beaton didnt make a single error during the Hearts game. He didnt award any fouls , penalties or red cards durig that game.
What decision Is Rodgers going on about that Beaton was wrong on.
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Are you being deliberately obtuse for the fwckabootery or don’t you genuinely understand that VAR decided to get involved in every single contentious decision. In doing that they heavily intimated the referee got them wrong and provided whatever lines, stills or the likes to support it.
Add in a lily livered referee who now has an easy scapegoat and the end result is 99% the same.
VAR has gone way beyond its brief now and is in reality damaging the game as a spectacle.
It was a simple process. If there’s a very clear and obvious mistake then get involved. If not, let the referee do his job. What’s happening now is that practically every penalty box incident is scrutinised to “try” and find something wrong.
It’s awful. For every team that is.
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John Beaton didnt make any decision that influenced the game.
You have no idea what discussions took place between the ref and Beaton or any other VAR room.
The ref can request to review something after conversation with VAR it doesnt have to be the refs in the room.
If the ref is in discussion and there is a difference in perspective the ref can request to see the video. its not just the VAR room.
Rodgers said that Beaton and VAR cost you the game, all decisions were made by the ref. Im asking for clarification on how he cost you the points like he claims.
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You gebuinny didn’t get what I wrote?
Okay. I’ll leave it there
posted on 4/3/24
genuinely ffs
posted on 4/3/24
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum are not mine but a fictionalised version loosely based on someone similar to me (U14864)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Dave The Jackal (U22179)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum are not mine but a fictionalised version loosely based on someone similar to me (U14864)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by MaHeed'sNippin aka I’m the competen... (U3633)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum are not mine but a fictionalised version loosely based on someone similar to me (U14864)
posted less than a minute ago
One thing that is absolutely clear though is that the handball rule is a joke that nobody really understands and when you add rubbish refs to the mix you just have a kind of penalty bingo system
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👍 The dusty, crusty old farts in Football Associations are to blame. They set the rules and they are clearly not working. In a similar vein, if players were booked for crowding round the ref then it would stop overnight. It works in Rugby - only the captain can question the ref. Likewise, in clear cases of simulation, give a red card and it would stop overnight. Too much sensible logic for the blazers to act upon.
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I definitely think they should start booking any player but the captain for approaching the ref. Seems such an easy decision to make.
I thought the idea of sun bins for that was worth looking at but like everything they have added other stuff to that idea and over complicated it.
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I’ve always generally been in favour of VAR in principle, but it’s the way the lawmakers have tried to add more and more to the initial brief that’s fooked it IMO. The initial concept was pretty much to get offsides right (black and white) and correct any obvious howlers, wasn’t it? If they’d stuck to that (in addition to the excellent goal line technology already in place) the game would be in far better place. If we can’t go back to something like that, I’d probably bin it entirely now. That first half yesterday was basically the Beaton show. That’s not why VAR was introduced in the first place.
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Yeah totally agree with that. I was all for var and to some extent still am but they have massively overcomplicated it.
The offside and handball rules have become ridiculous.
I'd love to see them start again with it.
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BTW my thoughts aren’t a reaction to yesterday, altho I’m still raging about that! I’ve been thinking the same about VAR all season, mainly from watching games in the Prem. The level of resources and professionalism of officiating down South are WAY higher than up here, yet they’re still making an inconsistent dog’s dinner of VAR, by trying to micro-manage or re-referee far too many aspects of the game … and still making a coont of it, while sucking the life out of crowd atmosphere at the games. If they can’t get it remotely right there then we’ve no chance … unless we go back to basics with VAR. Simplify it or bin it.
posted on 4/3/24
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum are not mine but a fictionalised version loosely based on someone similar to me (U14864)
posted 4 minutes ago
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Yeah totally agree with that. I was all for var and to some extent still am but they have massively overcomplicated it.
The offside and handball rules have become ridiculous.
I'd love to see them start again with it.
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They really need to go back to first principles with these laws - why were they actually introduced in the first place.
The purpose of the handball rule was to stop players gaining an unfair advantage by the illegal use of their hands/arms.
Its since become - can we trawl through footage and find any way to justify a penalty where the ball inadvertently comes into contact with a hand/arm even though it had absolutely no impact on the passage of play.
Offside was to maintain the structure of the game, prevent goal hanging etc. Its now become - can we apply computer technology to find the slightest part of a forwards body that has edged in front of the defender by a split second in order to disallow a goal?
For me with offside in particular - if it is so close that it takes more than 60 seconds to come to a decision then award in favour of the attacker.
These two rules in particular are killing the game.
posted on 4/3/24
For offside I'm a fan of the Wenger proposal. Fed up hearing stuff like his armpit is offside, etc. Would clear things up massively. Would also lead to more goals.
As for I also think they should broadcast the audio live where they can and release it after where they can't. You would at least know why the made the call.
posted on 4/3/24
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted about a minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 8 minutes ago
John Beaton didnt make a single error during the Hearts game. He didnt award any fouls , penalties or red cards durig that game.
What decision Is Rodgers going on about that Beaton was wrong on.
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Are you being deliberately obtuse for the fwckabootery or don’t you genuinely understand that VAR decided to get involved in every single contentious decision. In doing that they heavily intimated the referee got them wrong and provided whatever lines, stills or the likes to support it.
Add in a lily livered referee who now has an easy scapegoat and the end result is 99% the same.
VAR has gone way beyond its brief now and is in reality damaging the game as a spectacle.
It was a simple process. If there’s a very clear and obvious mistake then get involved. If not, let the referee do his job. What’s happening now is that practically every penalty box incident is scrutinised to “try” and find something wrong.
It’s awful. For every team that is.
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John Beaton didnt make any decision that influenced the game.
You have no idea what discussions took place between the ref and Beaton or any other VAR room.
The ref can request to review something after conversation with VAR it doesnt have to be the refs in the room.
If the ref is in discussion and there is a difference in perspective the ref can request to see the video. its not just the VAR room.
Rodgers said that Beaton and VAR cost you the game, all decisions were made by the ref. Im asking for clarification on how he cost you the points like he claims.
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You gebuinny didn’t get what I wrote?
Okay. I’ll leave it there
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I did you have no idea if the ref called for a VAR replay or the VAR room instructed him to go look at incidents.
for eg, the high boot, VAR room: "that was a high boot head level you are happy that not a red." Ref: "I couldnt see it properly tbh, there was a player in the way, let me see it again"
thats a perfectly plausible sequence of events, but we will go with the narrative that Beaton made the call, he is trying to influence the ref.
you played $hit , got pumped and deserved what you got, Rodgers played the VAR card to deflect and your all falling hook line and sinker for it.
posted on 4/3/24
100% in favour of the audio discussions between the ref and VAR being broadcast, would help to understand how a decision has been arrived at.
Like the Scotland vs France rugby the other week, think we can all agree that it was clearly a try, TMO basically said "there is the grounding" at one point then decided to review again and came out with this "it's still inconclusive" crap....but it at least gave you an idea of what they were thinking, the try was only disallowed because there was not a clear angle of the ball actually making contact with the ground, as $hite as that is, that's the rules
posted on 4/3/24
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted about a minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 8 minutes ago
John Beaton didnt make a single error during the Hearts game. He didnt award any fouls , penalties or red cards durig that game.
What decision Is Rodgers going on about that Beaton was wrong on.
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Are you being deliberately obtuse for the fwckabootery or don’t you genuinely understand that VAR decided to get involved in every single contentious decision. In doing that they heavily intimated the referee got them wrong and provided whatever lines, stills or the likes to support it.
Add in a lily livered referee who now has an easy scapegoat and the end result is 99% the same.
VAR has gone way beyond its brief now and is in reality damaging the game as a spectacle.
It was a simple process. If there’s a very clear and obvious mistake then get involved. If not, let the referee do his job. What’s happening now is that practically every penalty box incident is scrutinised to “try” and find something wrong.
It’s awful. For every team that is.
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John Beaton didnt make any decision that influenced the game.
You have no idea what discussions took place between the ref and Beaton or any other VAR room.
The ref can request to review something after conversation with VAR it doesnt have to be the refs in the room.
If the ref is in discussion and there is a difference in perspective the ref can request to see the video. its not just the VAR room.
Rodgers said that Beaton and VAR cost you the game, all decisions were made by the ref. Im asking for clarification on how he cost you the points like he claims.
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You gebuinny didn’t get what I wrote?
Okay. I’ll leave it there
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I did you have no idea if the ref called for a VAR replay or the VAR room instructed him to go look at incidents.
for eg, the high boot, VAR room: "that was a high boot head level you are happy that not a red." Ref: "I couldnt see it properly tbh, there was a player in the way, let me see it again"
thats a perfectly plausible sequence of events, but we will go with the narrative that Beaton made the call, he is trying to influence the ref.
you played $hit , got pumped and deserved what you got, Rodgers played the VAR card to deflect and your all falling hook line and sinker for it.
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Rodgers played the cheating Beaton hoon card without the special sauce.
Because he knew Celtic fans would lap it up.
Celtic blew the chance to go top of the league and all the chat is about John Beaton. Not just VAR - but John Beaton on VAR.
Despite losing 2-0 to Hearts Celtic fans seem united and on the same page as the Manager.
Top class management by Brendan.
posted on 4/3/24
Also haven’t seen much said about the Johnston challenge on Tait that could easily have been a red.
Wouldn’t be surprised to see a red given to Johnston there.
posted on 4/3/24
making the audios available upon review and real time would be a benefit.
We asked that to be the case, seem to remember us getting slaughtered for it.
the biggest problem with VAR is the ignorance the fans have. Not only with the rules but also the discussions. The managers are worse however cos they are aware of the possibilities and how it runs yet will bring up subjects and points they know are flawed in regards to VAR to cover their own backs or to deflect.
posted on 4/3/24
Why call out Beaton? Because he has ‘form” drinking with his Rangers pals in the pub. A few seasons ago he ignored 3 bookable offences committed by Morelos in a Rangers game against Celtic. Aye bit etc……
posted on 4/3/24
Funny how when that infamous Goldson handball wasn't given at Ibrox, it was referee "Brother John Beaton" that copped the whack for not giving it......Willie Collum in the VAR room largely got off scot free despite the fact he didn't even feel the need to call Beaton over to the monitor
Yet at Tynecastle yesterday, Robertson is the ref, Beaton is the VAR....Beaton calls Robertson over to the monitor, Robertson having seen the VAR footage decides its a penalty....but who cops the whack for it?.....you guessed it, "Brother John Beaton"
posted on 4/3/24
BR has been a disaster so far at Celtic so I will not defend him for that. We deserve better. His comments re Beaton are valid though.
posted on 4/3/24
comment by MaHeed'sNippin aka I’m the competent Wullie Collum (U3633)
posted 1 minute ago
Why call out Beaton? Because he has ‘form” drinking with his Rangers pals in the pub. A few seasons ago he ignored 3 bookable offences committed by Morelos in a Rangers game against Celtic. Aye bit etc……
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there you have it , the main problem....
Celtic Da's have no interest in the actual facts or procedures.
"He's a hvn bassa, get him called oot" not actually anything of any fact based on the actual game you got pumped in.
posted on 4/3/24
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 1 hour, 44 minutes ago
Even the Shankland goal ruled out, looks perfectly onside so must have been a baw hair off.
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If your baw hairs are 2ft wide you must need another jacket just for your tackle?
posted on 4/3/24
Mental that Beaton is still getting the blame.
No mention of the fact VAR didn't intervene with the Celtic penalty and it wasn't VAR that went on to miss the Celtic penalty. It was VAR that disallowed the Shankland goal.
VAR highlighted 2 incidents that Rodgers has been clever in calling out because he knows the reaction it would get the minute Beaton's name is mentioned.
But the reality is both decisions - whilst harsh - are consistent with previous games and outcomes. Its not a conspiracy when Celtic are treated the same way as everyone else and don't seem to be able to handle it.
posted on 4/3/24
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 3 minutes ago
Funny how when that infamous Goldson handball wasn't given at Ibrox, it was referee "Brother John Beaton" that copped the whack for not giving it......Willie Collum in the VAR room largely got off scot free despite the fact he didn't even feel the need to call Beaton over to the monitor
Yet at Tynecastle yesterday, Robertson is the ref, Beaton is the VAR....Beaton calls Robertson over to the monitor, Robertson having seen the VAR footage decides its a penalty....but who cops the whack for it?.....you guessed it, "Brother John Beaton"
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again, no one knows who made the request to go view the monitor. the ref can make the request to see it just as much as the VAR room can suggest he looks at it.
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