I agree with Sizz. Big Ange offers very little far too much praise he is popular.
Tactically poor one of the worst in the league for me and does not know how to turn it around in games (fulham, brighton, newcastle) and on runs of form.
As an example our last 7 games we were battered by Newcastle, Arsenal, makeshift Chelsea side, Liverpool and Manchester City. We wasnt unlucky in them games we were battered. The only respite came against the two teams that had nothing to play for in Sheffield United and Burnley.
Signing the likes of Odobert means the next manager will have a chance.
Hope i am wrong and Big Ange makes me eat my words but the facts are there when you look back at the results.
There's an element of truth in Sizzle's ridiculous hyperbole tbf. Ange does need to show a bit of flexibility when plan A isn't working.
On the whole though, the club is in an unrecognisably better state overall than it was when Conte left. I like to think the building blocks of a seriously good squad are in place now.
Vicario
Porro
Romero
Van de Ven
Udogie
Sarr
Gray
Bergvall
Johnson
Solanke
Odobert
In a couple of years, with a fair wind, that could be an exciting, trophy-winning side. Yes it's frustrating that it always seems to be a case of "Maybe in two years" but it's not a quick and simple thing to turn Spurs into title challengers given the fiascos of the last several years
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comment by Christopher (U20930)
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he's a 19 year old who had 19 starts as a 17 year old in Ligue 1 and then 25 starts as a 18 year old in the Prem last season
it's a similar bet we made with Udogie Sarr and Gray in terms of going after teenagers who have played a lot of mens football
it's quite hard to assess him when he's exclusively played for teams that have gotten relegated but he's clearly very technical and a good dribbler and can play on either side
I think it's a bit underwhelming given I think we needed someone with a bit more pedigree to come on and properly displace Brennan but it's the kind of signing that has served us well recently and I think our recruitment team has earned a bit of trust
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That I understand but for every Udogie or Sarr, there's a Solomon, who this kid reminds me of.
I'm absolutely staggered at the fee because even when you play for a relegated team in the Prem, there's usually something you see on MOTD where you're like "blimey, he's a bit good" but I've never even heard of his name. Not even close. Now for 30m at 19 wouldn't you expect people to have noticed his talents already. Not one pundit has called him out for shining.
Sorry to put a dampener on things but those are the facts. There's a temptation from all fans to skew to the positive with things like this in order to make it more palatable but if you take the right marker, any average player can give you remarkable stats if you ensure your vantage point flatters them. Sky do it all the time to push the narrative pundits are outlining.
I might be proved wrong here but l can't even see a youtube clip that tells me this lad is anything other than a squad player, destined for the subs bench.
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Fridge had to google him...so that means he's no good.
Perhaps you should head up our scouting and recruiting depts.
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To be fair Dev, had you heard of him? It stands to reason that players you've heard of are more likely to give you confidence than those you haven't. The fact that this kid has played one season in the Prem and gone completely unnoticed isn't something to be concerned about? Really? I just think if he was that good, £30m good at 19, we'd have at least heard his name. I'm not saying he's going to be terrible but there's nothing to suggest we've signed a wonderkid here. I'd heard of Gray. I knew he was considered one a while back. This feels very different.
Happy to be proven completely wrong but I'd prefer us to now be signing established players alongside our youngsters now.
maybe if he had been here 2 or 3 seasons and we hadn't shown any sign of improvement sure he might have a leg to stand on
throwing his toys out the pram and wanting him gone a few months into his first season just show he's an attention seeker who should be ignored
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we did sign an expensive marquee experienced talent though
I think you have clinical depression or something fridge you seem absolutely incapable of finding the positives in any situation with spurs at the minute
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I think it's tenuous to call Solanke a marquee signing. For me a marquee signing is someone who has proven year after year their pedigree. Maddison was a marquee signing. Eze or Neto, given the number of years they've been producing, would have been marquee signings. Solanke, for all his supposed fit has had one season where he's scored 19 Prem goals. His previous best was 6. For me it still comes with some risk so I'm not as all in on that one as others might be. When Maddison signed I knew what he was going to bring. I'm unsure on Solanke because he might have just been perfect for Iraola and Bournemouth. He might be perfect but we just don't know that yet so I'd hesitate to call him a marquee signing with one good season under his belt. I'm more convinced by the ceiling's of Bergvall and Gray to be honest.
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What numbers has Neto been producing that makes him a more marquee signing than Solanke?
This one really did come out of leftfield
No one, not even Fab Romano, reported it until it happened - which some should learn from when giving credence to who the media rumour to be our targets.
Can't say i know too much about the lad, remember little bits from last season. Think he scored vs Chelsea, so he's alright by me
Reinforces the view that Deki might well get some more game time centrally, and that's probably needed as Maddison has shown he cannot expected to play all games and remain sharp. Bergvall also an option there.
If this is it in terms of attack, then we need to add a CM. I liked the links to Locatelli, some experience and technical ability playing from deep would be most welcome IMO.
Need something on the left side of defence too, even if its just a loan. Lack of decent over here will catch us out if we don't act.
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 3 minutes ago
There's an element of truth in Sizzle's ridiculous hyperbole tbf. Ange does need to show a bit of flexibility when plan A isn't working.
On the whole though, the club is in an unrecognisably better state overall than it was when Conte left. I like to think the building blocks of a seriously good squad are in place now.
Vicario
Porro
Romero
Van de Ven
Udogie
Sarr
Gray
Bergvall
Johnson
Solanke
Odobert
In a couple of years, with a fair wind, that could be an exciting, trophy-winning side. Yes it's frustrating that it always seems to be a case of "Maybe in two years" but it's not a quick and simple thing to turn Spurs into title challengers given the fiascos of the last several years
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Ange's philosophy will be "get better at plan A" and frankly I agree with him. Now if plan A is fundamentally flawed, we have an issue, but can we really call it a flawed system if he doesn't have 'his' squad to call upon? At some point we're going to have to have faith in a manager and take that leap. I'd much rather that be with an ambitious manager that has a philosophy than one that changes every game to nullify the opposition.
I just can't go through it again looking for yet another manager when we're now signing players in Ange's image. It makes no sense to twist again.
If Arsenal had twisted in those first two seasons under Arteta, they'd be nowhere at this point. At some point you have to give 100% to whoever is in charge and I'm happy for that to be Ange but we've got to see some sort of lineal positive change. Not win the first 10 and fall off a cliff. I mean gradually improve as the season builds.
Odobert has never had an injury
Dr Tottenham will see you now
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posted 15 minutes ago
throwing his toys out the pram and wanting him gone a few months into his first season just show he's an attention seeker who should be ignored
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Wanting him gone is harsh. He always needed more than just a season, but he has no credit in the bank. I wouldn't give him any for getting us in Europe cause that was pretty much the minimum he could have done in the circumstances. Form needs to picked up on end of last season's form and quickly. We've spent money, we have a good squad...there are little excuses. 3 wins from the first 5 games is what we should be looking at.
I do remember him well in our game against Burnley when we easily beat them at their place. Their best ball player. Confident lad and likes a dribble and caused us problems..
This has come out of the blue. Hopefully hits the ground running.
I think Ange is labelled with No Plan B slightly unfairly.
There are certainly tweaks for games and during games that reflect the opposition and the way a game is going. Subtle changes.
One of his key mantras is that we don't pay attention to the time or the score - this is to ensure that our approach t o a gme is consistent, that we are always looking to play our way, whatever the score and time, and that way is always front foot, positive and looking to score.
My issue with this is that this is counter intuitive and players will naturally respond to these factors, will look to hold what they have, or run down the clock or really push for an equaliser, so it is very challenging for players to operate in this void. And at times you need to respond to these factors, whether its just to get a bit of rest, manage energy levels, take the sting out of a game, see out a close game.
SO overall I am very happy with the extremely positive, front foot tactics of the team...but I would like to see a little bit more intelligent reaction to situations, not just going for it all the time. Its not a re-writing of his tactics, its minor adaptions during the course of a game.
COYS!
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throwing his toys out the pram and wanting him gone a few months into his first season just show he's an attention seeker who should be ignored
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Wanting him gone is harsh. He always needed more than just a season, but he has no credit in the bank. I wouldn't give him any for getting us in Europe cause that was pretty much the minimum he could have done in the circumstances. Form needs to picked up on end of last season's form and quickly. We've spent money, we have a good squad...there are little excuses. 3 wins from the first 5 games is what we should be looking at.
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new set piece rules should help us a bit, also signing Solanke will help on that front.
also we were very unlucky with penalties last season, a -5 differential (2 given, 7 conceded) is very uncommon for a team around the top of the table. hopefully that corrects itself and we get more like +5 like the rest of the teams around us, that's a +10 GD swing potentially
and there's also just another preseason, a young squad getting better over time, new signings coming in and improving things.
I'm feeling very positive
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throwing his toys out the pram and wanting him gone a few months into his first season just show he's an attention seeker who should be ignored
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Wanting him gone is harsh. He always needed more than just a season, but he has no credit in the bank. I wouldn't give him any for getting us in Europe cause that was pretty much the minimum he could have done in the circumstances. Form needs to picked up on end of last season's form and quickly. We've spent money, we have a good squad...there are little excuses. 3 wins from the first 5 games is what we should be looking at.
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No credit in the bank......feck me Spurs fans are a tough gig.
Fans need to just show some faith...far too much short term knee-jerking game by game.
The trajectory needs to be upwards, it was last season in almost every respect, and needs to continue this. How we do relative to others should almost be ignored, focussing on our performances and results and see where that takes us.
Interesting signing, no faaaack all about him so will reserve judgement.
French U19 and U21 player though so have to assume he isn’t complete shiete.
Burnley had a few exciting young players last season, he was probably the pick of the bunch.
19 as well so clearly going to improve. A better signing that it appears i think.
This window does signal this isn't the year for it all coming together. It's a year of development, preparing the squad for a challenge in years to come which is kind of always Spurs story.
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Burnley had a few exciting young players last season, he was probably the pick of the bunch.
19 as well so clearly going to improve. A better signing that it appears i think.
This window does signal this isn't the year for it all coming together. It's a year of development, preparing the squad for a challenge in years to come which is kind of always Spurs story.
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it's good we're actually committing to that though instead of signing short term managers and trying to appease them with older signings
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comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
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There's an element of truth in Sizzle's ridiculous hyperbole tbf. Ange does need to show a bit of flexibility when plan A isn't working.
On the whole though, the club is in an unrecognisably better state overall than it was when Conte left. I like to think the building blocks of a seriously good squad are in place now.
Vicario
Porro
Romero
Van de Ven
Udogie
Sarr
Gray
Bergvall
Johnson
Solanke
Odobert
In a couple of years, with a fair wind, that could be an exciting, trophy-winning side. Yes it's frustrating that it always seems to be a case of "Maybe in two years" but it's not a quick and simple thing to turn Spurs into title challengers given the fiascos of the last several years
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Ange's philosophy will be "get better at plan A" and frankly I agree with him. Now if plan A is fundamentally flawed, we have an issue, but can we really call it a flawed system if he doesn't have 'his' squad to call upon? At some point we're going to have to have faith in a manager and take that leap. I'd much rather that be with an ambitious manager that has a philosophy than one that changes every game to nullify the opposition.
I just can't go through it again looking for yet another manager when we're now signing players in Ange's image. It makes no sense to twist again.
If Arsenal had twisted in those first two seasons under Arteta, they'd be nowhere at this point. At some point you have to give 100% to whoever is in charge and I'm happy for that to be Ange but we've got to see some sort of lineal positive change. Not win the first 10 and fall off a cliff. I mean gradually improve as the season builds.
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I agree, calling for Ange to be sacked at this point is absurd. I remember when he was brought in loads of people were saying the squad could only work with a back 3/5. That was questionable at the time tbf, but even so it shows the scale of the rebuild that's been necessary. He needs time as he gradually builds the squad he actually wants, rather than the sheitshow Conte left him with.
And if some of these promising youngsters can develop into top players over that time, all the better
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I think Ange is labelled with No Plan B slightly unfairly.
There are certainly tweaks for games and during games that reflect the opposition and the way a game is going. Subtle changes.
One of his key mantras is that we don't pay attention to the time or the score - this is to ensure that our approach t o a gme is consistent, that we are always looking to play our way, whatever the score and time, and that way is always front foot, positive and looking to score.
My issue with this is that this is counter intuitive and players will naturally respond to these factors, will look to hold what they have, or run down the clock or really push for an equaliser, so it is very challenging for players to operate in this void. And at times you need to respond to these factors, whether its just to get a bit of rest, manage energy levels, take the sting out of a game, see out a close game.
SO overall I am very happy with the extremely positive, front foot tactics of the team...but I would like to see a little bit more intelligent reaction to situations, not just going for it all the time. Its not a re-writing of his tactics, its minor adaptions during the course of a game.
COYS!
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I don't think he's immune to conserving either. He used PEH as a sub when we were ahead in many games last year for that very reason. I think that's a good thing. It means he's not completely 'Aussie Ardiles'. Playing you attack/we attack wins you absolutely nothing in this game so he's going to need a little pragmatism to succeed and I think he's adaptable to realise this. Even Pep and Arteta have leaned on using centre halves as full backs, such is their desire to be robust. Ange will have to learn that committing both full backs to attack at the same time leaves you completely exposed. He's as new to this league as some of the youngsters are. people forget that. It's not the J or A League anymore, mate.
look at the way we set up against city with no strikers
he's clearly not completely rigid
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throwing his toys out the pram and wanting him gone a few months into his first season just show he's an attention seeker who should be ignored
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Wanting him gone is harsh. He always needed more than just a season, but he has no credit in the bank. I wouldn't give him any for getting us in Europe cause that was pretty much the minimum he could have done in the circumstances. Form needs to picked up on end of last season's form and quickly. We've spent money, we have a good squad...there are little excuses. 3 wins from the first 5 games is what we should be looking at.
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No credit in the bank......feck me Spurs fans are a tough gig.
Fans need to just show some faith...far too much short term knee-jerking game by game.
The trajectory needs to be upwards, it was last season in almost every respect, and needs to continue this. How we do relative to others should almost be ignored, focussing on our performances and results and see where that takes us.
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Hard to say the trajectory was upwards with how we finished the season with 5 losses in 7 and losing out on top 4, despite it being the only thing we had to focus on by January. It's not even like our style of play was any good then either, something we had hoped would improve as the season went on.
So yes, it needs to be put back on track this season. If that form continues early into this season then there is no hiding for Ange and he will rightly face enormous scrutiny and be under pressure.
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comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 7 minutes ago
I think Ange is labelled with No Plan B slightly unfairly.
There are certainly tweaks for games and during games that reflect the opposition and the way a game is going. Subtle changes.
One of his key mantras is that we don't pay attention to the time or the score - this is to ensure that our approach t o a gme is consistent, that we are always looking to play our way, whatever the score and time, and that way is always front foot, positive and looking to score.
My issue with this is that this is counter intuitive and players will naturally respond to these factors, will look to hold what they have, or run down the clock or really push for an equaliser, so it is very challenging for players to operate in this void. And at times you need to respond to these factors, whether its just to get a bit of rest, manage energy levels, take the sting out of a game, see out a close game.
SO overall I am very happy with the extremely positive, front foot tactics of the team...but I would like to see a little bit more intelligent reaction to situations, not just going for it all the time. Its not a re-writing of his tactics, its minor adaptions during the course of a game.
COYS!
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I don't think he's immune to conserving either. He used PEH as a sub when we were ahead in many games last year for that very reason. I think that's a good thing. It means he's not completely 'Aussie Ardiles'. Playing you attack/we attack wins you absolutely nothing in this game so he's going to need a little pragmatism to succeed and I think he's adaptable to realise this. Even Pep and Arteta have leaned on using centre halves as full backs, such is their desire to be robust. Ange will have to learn that committing both full backs to attack at the same time leaves you completely exposed. He's as new to this league as some of the youngsters are. people forget that. It's not the J or A League anymore, mate.
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The loss of PEH is a worry, we really could do with a more experienced CM to come on and see games out for us - PEH was great at that
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throwing his toys out the pram and wanting him gone a few months into his first season just show he's an attention seeker who should be ignored
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Wanting him gone is harsh. He always needed more than just a season, but he has no credit in the bank. I wouldn't give him any for getting us in Europe cause that was pretty much the minimum he could have done in the circumstances. Form needs to picked up on end of last season's form and quickly. We've spent money, we have a good squad...there are little excuses. 3 wins from the first 5 games is what we should be looking at.
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No credit in the bank......feck me Spurs fans are a tough gig.
Fans need to just show some faith...far too much short term knee-jerking game by game.
The trajectory needs to be upwards, it was last season in almost every respect, and needs to continue this. How we do relative to others should almost be ignored, focussing on our performances and results and see where that takes us.
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Hard to say the trajectory was upwards with how we finished the season with 5 losses in 7 and losing out on top 4, despite it being the only thing we had to focus on by January. It's not even like our style of play was any good then either, something we had hoped would improve as the season went on.
So yes, it needs to be put back on track this season. If that form continues early into this season then there is no hiding for Ange and he will rightly face enormous scrutiny and be under pressure.
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Tough run of games though that last lot
We’re a 5/6/7th placed club under Ange in my opinion - go for it in the cups and I have no issue with that short term
It's interesting how perceptions change. Because we've signed the likes of Bergvall and Yang for a relatively cheap sum and then Gray for a little more, everyone seems to believe this is a masterstroke of data analysis. What separates this deal from Georges Kévin N'Koudou or Gedon Fernandes? Nothing much. We might be signing a baller but to me he's a complete unknown so we can't assuming this kid is anything other than a cheap alternative to Neto. I think Levy really gets away with it at times. Particularly when it was confirmed by O'Keefe that we bid 40m + Skipp for Neto so we clearly wanted him.
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throwing his toys out the pram and wanting him gone a few months into his first season just show he's an attention seeker who should be ignored
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Wanting him gone is harsh. He always needed more than just a season, but he has no credit in the bank. I wouldn't give him any for getting us in Europe cause that was pretty much the minimum he could have done in the circumstances. Form needs to picked up on end of last season's form and quickly. We've spent money, we have a good squad...there are little excuses. 3 wins from the first 5 games is what we should be looking at.
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No credit in the bank......feck me Spurs fans are a tough gig.
Fans need to just show some faith...far too much short term knee-jerking game by game.
The trajectory needs to be upwards, it was last season in almost every respect, and needs to continue this. How we do relative to others should almost be ignored, focussing on our performances and results and see where that takes us.
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Hard to say the trajectory was upwards with how we finished the season with 5 losses in 7 and losing out on top 4, despite it being the only thing we had to focus on by January. It's not even like our style of play was any good then either, something we had hoped would improve as the season went on.
So yes, it needs to be put back on track this season. If that form continues early into this season then there is no hiding for Ange and he will rightly face enormous scrutiny and be under pressure.
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We definitely regressed as the season went on. I think that's why some fans don't have a great deal of optimism going into the new season. Many of the performances why pretty abysmal.
If the season was reversed and we finished the way we started, i'd be more confident now.
Like someone said earlier, he earned credit in the bank from the opening 10 games, which were then used up in the last 28 games.
Hopefully we can hit the ground running again and maintain that level throughout the season.
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I agree with Sizz. Big Ange offers very little far too much praise he is popular.
Tactically poor one of the worst in the league for me and does not know how to turn it around in games (fulham, brighton, newcastle) and on runs of form.
As an example our last 7 games we were battered by Newcastle, Arsenal, makeshift Chelsea side, Liverpool and Manchester City. We wasnt unlucky in them games we were battered. The only respite came against the two teams that had nothing to play for in Sheffield United and Burnley.
Signing the likes of Odobert means the next manager will have a chance.
Hope i am wrong and Big Ange makes me eat my words but the facts are there when you look back at the results.
posted on 16/8/24
There's an element of truth in Sizzle's ridiculous hyperbole tbf. Ange does need to show a bit of flexibility when plan A isn't working.
On the whole though, the club is in an unrecognisably better state overall than it was when Conte left. I like to think the building blocks of a seriously good squad are in place now.
Vicario
Porro
Romero
Van de Ven
Udogie
Sarr
Gray
Bergvall
Johnson
Solanke
Odobert
In a couple of years, with a fair wind, that could be an exciting, trophy-winning side. Yes it's frustrating that it always seems to be a case of "Maybe in two years" but it's not a quick and simple thing to turn Spurs into title challengers given the fiascos of the last several years
posted on 16/8/24
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 52 minutes ago
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 1 minute ago
he's a 19 year old who had 19 starts as a 17 year old in Ligue 1 and then 25 starts as a 18 year old in the Prem last season
it's a similar bet we made with Udogie Sarr and Gray in terms of going after teenagers who have played a lot of mens football
it's quite hard to assess him when he's exclusively played for teams that have gotten relegated but he's clearly very technical and a good dribbler and can play on either side
I think it's a bit underwhelming given I think we needed someone with a bit more pedigree to come on and properly displace Brennan but it's the kind of signing that has served us well recently and I think our recruitment team has earned a bit of trust
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That I understand but for every Udogie or Sarr, there's a Solomon, who this kid reminds me of.
I'm absolutely staggered at the fee because even when you play for a relegated team in the Prem, there's usually something you see on MOTD where you're like "blimey, he's a bit good" but I've never even heard of his name. Not even close. Now for 30m at 19 wouldn't you expect people to have noticed his talents already. Not one pundit has called him out for shining.
Sorry to put a dampener on things but those are the facts. There's a temptation from all fans to skew to the positive with things like this in order to make it more palatable but if you take the right marker, any average player can give you remarkable stats if you ensure your vantage point flatters them. Sky do it all the time to push the narrative pundits are outlining.
I might be proved wrong here but l can't even see a youtube clip that tells me this lad is anything other than a squad player, destined for the subs bench.
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Fridge had to google him...so that means he's no good.
Perhaps you should head up our scouting and recruiting depts.
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To be fair Dev, had you heard of him? It stands to reason that players you've heard of are more likely to give you confidence than those you haven't. The fact that this kid has played one season in the Prem and gone completely unnoticed isn't something to be concerned about? Really? I just think if he was that good, £30m good at 19, we'd have at least heard his name. I'm not saying he's going to be terrible but there's nothing to suggest we've signed a wonderkid here. I'd heard of Gray. I knew he was considered one a while back. This feels very different.
Happy to be proven completely wrong but I'd prefer us to now be signing established players alongside our youngsters now.
posted on 16/8/24
maybe if he had been here 2 or 3 seasons and we hadn't shown any sign of improvement sure he might have a leg to stand on
posted on 16/8/24
throwing his toys out the pram and wanting him gone a few months into his first season just show he's an attention seeker who should be ignored
posted on 16/8/24
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we did sign an expensive marquee experienced talent though
I think you have clinical depression or something fridge you seem absolutely incapable of finding the positives in any situation with spurs at the minute
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I think it's tenuous to call Solanke a marquee signing. For me a marquee signing is someone who has proven year after year their pedigree. Maddison was a marquee signing. Eze or Neto, given the number of years they've been producing, would have been marquee signings. Solanke, for all his supposed fit has had one season where he's scored 19 Prem goals. His previous best was 6. For me it still comes with some risk so I'm not as all in on that one as others might be. When Maddison signed I knew what he was going to bring. I'm unsure on Solanke because he might have just been perfect for Iraola and Bournemouth. He might be perfect but we just don't know that yet so I'd hesitate to call him a marquee signing with one good season under his belt. I'm more convinced by the ceiling's of Bergvall and Gray to be honest.
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What numbers has Neto been producing that makes him a more marquee signing than Solanke?
posted on 16/8/24
This one really did come out of leftfield
No one, not even Fab Romano, reported it until it happened - which some should learn from when giving credence to who the media rumour to be our targets.
Can't say i know too much about the lad, remember little bits from last season. Think he scored vs Chelsea, so he's alright by me
Reinforces the view that Deki might well get some more game time centrally, and that's probably needed as Maddison has shown he cannot expected to play all games and remain sharp. Bergvall also an option there.
If this is it in terms of attack, then we need to add a CM. I liked the links to Locatelli, some experience and technical ability playing from deep would be most welcome IMO.
Need something on the left side of defence too, even if its just a loan. Lack of decent over here will catch us out if we don't act.
posted on 16/8/24
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 3 minutes ago
There's an element of truth in Sizzle's ridiculous hyperbole tbf. Ange does need to show a bit of flexibility when plan A isn't working.
On the whole though, the club is in an unrecognisably better state overall than it was when Conte left. I like to think the building blocks of a seriously good squad are in place now.
Vicario
Porro
Romero
Van de Ven
Udogie
Sarr
Gray
Bergvall
Johnson
Solanke
Odobert
In a couple of years, with a fair wind, that could be an exciting, trophy-winning side. Yes it's frustrating that it always seems to be a case of "Maybe in two years" but it's not a quick and simple thing to turn Spurs into title challengers given the fiascos of the last several years
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Ange's philosophy will be "get better at plan A" and frankly I agree with him. Now if plan A is fundamentally flawed, we have an issue, but can we really call it a flawed system if he doesn't have 'his' squad to call upon? At some point we're going to have to have faith in a manager and take that leap. I'd much rather that be with an ambitious manager that has a philosophy than one that changes every game to nullify the opposition.
I just can't go through it again looking for yet another manager when we're now signing players in Ange's image. It makes no sense to twist again.
If Arsenal had twisted in those first two seasons under Arteta, they'd be nowhere at this point. At some point you have to give 100% to whoever is in charge and I'm happy for that to be Ange but we've got to see some sort of lineal positive change. Not win the first 10 and fall off a cliff. I mean gradually improve as the season builds.
posted on 16/8/24
Odobert has never had an injury
Dr Tottenham will see you now
posted on 16/8/24
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 15 minutes ago
throwing his toys out the pram and wanting him gone a few months into his first season just show he's an attention seeker who should be ignored
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Wanting him gone is harsh. He always needed more than just a season, but he has no credit in the bank. I wouldn't give him any for getting us in Europe cause that was pretty much the minimum he could have done in the circumstances. Form needs to picked up on end of last season's form and quickly. We've spent money, we have a good squad...there are little excuses. 3 wins from the first 5 games is what we should be looking at.
posted on 16/8/24
I do remember him well in our game against Burnley when we easily beat them at their place. Their best ball player. Confident lad and likes a dribble and caused us problems..
This has come out of the blue. Hopefully hits the ground running.
posted on 16/8/24
I think Ange is labelled with No Plan B slightly unfairly.
There are certainly tweaks for games and during games that reflect the opposition and the way a game is going. Subtle changes.
One of his key mantras is that we don't pay attention to the time or the score - this is to ensure that our approach t o a gme is consistent, that we are always looking to play our way, whatever the score and time, and that way is always front foot, positive and looking to score.
My issue with this is that this is counter intuitive and players will naturally respond to these factors, will look to hold what they have, or run down the clock or really push for an equaliser, so it is very challenging for players to operate in this void. And at times you need to respond to these factors, whether its just to get a bit of rest, manage energy levels, take the sting out of a game, see out a close game.
SO overall I am very happy with the extremely positive, front foot tactics of the team...but I would like to see a little bit more intelligent reaction to situations, not just going for it all the time. Its not a re-writing of his tactics, its minor adaptions during the course of a game.
COYS!
posted on 16/8/24
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 15 minutes ago
throwing his toys out the pram and wanting him gone a few months into his first season just show he's an attention seeker who should be ignored
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Wanting him gone is harsh. He always needed more than just a season, but he has no credit in the bank. I wouldn't give him any for getting us in Europe cause that was pretty much the minimum he could have done in the circumstances. Form needs to picked up on end of last season's form and quickly. We've spent money, we have a good squad...there are little excuses. 3 wins from the first 5 games is what we should be looking at.
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new set piece rules should help us a bit, also signing Solanke will help on that front.
also we were very unlucky with penalties last season, a -5 differential (2 given, 7 conceded) is very uncommon for a team around the top of the table. hopefully that corrects itself and we get more like +5 like the rest of the teams around us, that's a +10 GD swing potentially
and there's also just another preseason, a young squad getting better over time, new signings coming in and improving things.
I'm feeling very positive
posted on 16/8/24
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 15 minutes ago
throwing his toys out the pram and wanting him gone a few months into his first season just show he's an attention seeker who should be ignored
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Wanting him gone is harsh. He always needed more than just a season, but he has no credit in the bank. I wouldn't give him any for getting us in Europe cause that was pretty much the minimum he could have done in the circumstances. Form needs to picked up on end of last season's form and quickly. We've spent money, we have a good squad...there are little excuses. 3 wins from the first 5 games is what we should be looking at.
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No credit in the bank......feck me Spurs fans are a tough gig.
Fans need to just show some faith...far too much short term knee-jerking game by game.
The trajectory needs to be upwards, it was last season in almost every respect, and needs to continue this. How we do relative to others should almost be ignored, focussing on our performances and results and see where that takes us.
posted on 16/8/24
Interesting signing, no faaaack all about him so will reserve judgement.
French U19 and U21 player though so have to assume he isn’t complete shiete.
posted on 16/8/24
Burnley had a few exciting young players last season, he was probably the pick of the bunch.
19 as well so clearly going to improve. A better signing that it appears i think.
This window does signal this isn't the year for it all coming together. It's a year of development, preparing the squad for a challenge in years to come which is kind of always Spurs story.
posted on 16/8/24
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
Burnley had a few exciting young players last season, he was probably the pick of the bunch.
19 as well so clearly going to improve. A better signing that it appears i think.
This window does signal this isn't the year for it all coming together. It's a year of development, preparing the squad for a challenge in years to come which is kind of always Spurs story.
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it's good we're actually committing to that though instead of signing short term managers and trying to appease them with older signings
posted on 16/8/24
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 3 minutes ago
There's an element of truth in Sizzle's ridiculous hyperbole tbf. Ange does need to show a bit of flexibility when plan A isn't working.
On the whole though, the club is in an unrecognisably better state overall than it was when Conte left. I like to think the building blocks of a seriously good squad are in place now.
Vicario
Porro
Romero
Van de Ven
Udogie
Sarr
Gray
Bergvall
Johnson
Solanke
Odobert
In a couple of years, with a fair wind, that could be an exciting, trophy-winning side. Yes it's frustrating that it always seems to be a case of "Maybe in two years" but it's not a quick and simple thing to turn Spurs into title challengers given the fiascos of the last several years
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Ange's philosophy will be "get better at plan A" and frankly I agree with him. Now if plan A is fundamentally flawed, we have an issue, but can we really call it a flawed system if he doesn't have 'his' squad to call upon? At some point we're going to have to have faith in a manager and take that leap. I'd much rather that be with an ambitious manager that has a philosophy than one that changes every game to nullify the opposition.
I just can't go through it again looking for yet another manager when we're now signing players in Ange's image. It makes no sense to twist again.
If Arsenal had twisted in those first two seasons under Arteta, they'd be nowhere at this point. At some point you have to give 100% to whoever is in charge and I'm happy for that to be Ange but we've got to see some sort of lineal positive change. Not win the first 10 and fall off a cliff. I mean gradually improve as the season builds.
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I agree, calling for Ange to be sacked at this point is absurd. I remember when he was brought in loads of people were saying the squad could only work with a back 3/5. That was questionable at the time tbf, but even so it shows the scale of the rebuild that's been necessary. He needs time as he gradually builds the squad he actually wants, rather than the sheitshow Conte left him with.
And if some of these promising youngsters can develop into top players over that time, all the better
posted on 16/8/24
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 7 minutes ago
I think Ange is labelled with No Plan B slightly unfairly.
There are certainly tweaks for games and during games that reflect the opposition and the way a game is going. Subtle changes.
One of his key mantras is that we don't pay attention to the time or the score - this is to ensure that our approach t o a gme is consistent, that we are always looking to play our way, whatever the score and time, and that way is always front foot, positive and looking to score.
My issue with this is that this is counter intuitive and players will naturally respond to these factors, will look to hold what they have, or run down the clock or really push for an equaliser, so it is very challenging for players to operate in this void. And at times you need to respond to these factors, whether its just to get a bit of rest, manage energy levels, take the sting out of a game, see out a close game.
SO overall I am very happy with the extremely positive, front foot tactics of the team...but I would like to see a little bit more intelligent reaction to situations, not just going for it all the time. Its not a re-writing of his tactics, its minor adaptions during the course of a game.
COYS!
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I don't think he's immune to conserving either. He used PEH as a sub when we were ahead in many games last year for that very reason. I think that's a good thing. It means he's not completely 'Aussie Ardiles'. Playing you attack/we attack wins you absolutely nothing in this game so he's going to need a little pragmatism to succeed and I think he's adaptable to realise this. Even Pep and Arteta have leaned on using centre halves as full backs, such is their desire to be robust. Ange will have to learn that committing both full backs to attack at the same time leaves you completely exposed. He's as new to this league as some of the youngsters are. people forget that. It's not the J or A League anymore, mate.
posted on 16/8/24
look at the way we set up against city with no strikers
he's clearly not completely rigid
posted on 16/8/24
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 15 minutes ago
throwing his toys out the pram and wanting him gone a few months into his first season just show he's an attention seeker who should be ignored
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Wanting him gone is harsh. He always needed more than just a season, but he has no credit in the bank. I wouldn't give him any for getting us in Europe cause that was pretty much the minimum he could have done in the circumstances. Form needs to picked up on end of last season's form and quickly. We've spent money, we have a good squad...there are little excuses. 3 wins from the first 5 games is what we should be looking at.
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No credit in the bank......feck me Spurs fans are a tough gig.
Fans need to just show some faith...far too much short term knee-jerking game by game.
The trajectory needs to be upwards, it was last season in almost every respect, and needs to continue this. How we do relative to others should almost be ignored, focussing on our performances and results and see where that takes us.
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Hard to say the trajectory was upwards with how we finished the season with 5 losses in 7 and losing out on top 4, despite it being the only thing we had to focus on by January. It's not even like our style of play was any good then either, something we had hoped would improve as the season went on.
So yes, it needs to be put back on track this season. If that form continues early into this season then there is no hiding for Ange and he will rightly face enormous scrutiny and be under pressure.
posted on 16/8/24
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 7 minutes ago
I think Ange is labelled with No Plan B slightly unfairly.
There are certainly tweaks for games and during games that reflect the opposition and the way a game is going. Subtle changes.
One of his key mantras is that we don't pay attention to the time or the score - this is to ensure that our approach t o a gme is consistent, that we are always looking to play our way, whatever the score and time, and that way is always front foot, positive and looking to score.
My issue with this is that this is counter intuitive and players will naturally respond to these factors, will look to hold what they have, or run down the clock or really push for an equaliser, so it is very challenging for players to operate in this void. And at times you need to respond to these factors, whether its just to get a bit of rest, manage energy levels, take the sting out of a game, see out a close game.
SO overall I am very happy with the extremely positive, front foot tactics of the team...but I would like to see a little bit more intelligent reaction to situations, not just going for it all the time. Its not a re-writing of his tactics, its minor adaptions during the course of a game.
COYS!
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I don't think he's immune to conserving either. He used PEH as a sub when we were ahead in many games last year for that very reason. I think that's a good thing. It means he's not completely 'Aussie Ardiles'. Playing you attack/we attack wins you absolutely nothing in this game so he's going to need a little pragmatism to succeed and I think he's adaptable to realise this. Even Pep and Arteta have leaned on using centre halves as full backs, such is their desire to be robust. Ange will have to learn that committing both full backs to attack at the same time leaves you completely exposed. He's as new to this league as some of the youngsters are. people forget that. It's not the J or A League anymore, mate.
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The loss of PEH is a worry, we really could do with a more experienced CM to come on and see games out for us - PEH was great at that
posted on 16/8/24
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 15 minutes ago
throwing his toys out the pram and wanting him gone a few months into his first season just show he's an attention seeker who should be ignored
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Wanting him gone is harsh. He always needed more than just a season, but he has no credit in the bank. I wouldn't give him any for getting us in Europe cause that was pretty much the minimum he could have done in the circumstances. Form needs to picked up on end of last season's form and quickly. We've spent money, we have a good squad...there are little excuses. 3 wins from the first 5 games is what we should be looking at.
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No credit in the bank......feck me Spurs fans are a tough gig.
Fans need to just show some faith...far too much short term knee-jerking game by game.
The trajectory needs to be upwards, it was last season in almost every respect, and needs to continue this. How we do relative to others should almost be ignored, focussing on our performances and results and see where that takes us.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Hard to say the trajectory was upwards with how we finished the season with 5 losses in 7 and losing out on top 4, despite it being the only thing we had to focus on by January. It's not even like our style of play was any good then either, something we had hoped would improve as the season went on.
So yes, it needs to be put back on track this season. If that form continues early into this season then there is no hiding for Ange and he will rightly face enormous scrutiny and be under pressure.
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Tough run of games though that last lot
We’re a 5/6/7th placed club under Ange in my opinion - go for it in the cups and I have no issue with that short term
posted on 16/8/24
It's interesting how perceptions change. Because we've signed the likes of Bergvall and Yang for a relatively cheap sum and then Gray for a little more, everyone seems to believe this is a masterstroke of data analysis. What separates this deal from Georges Kévin N'Koudou or Gedon Fernandes? Nothing much. We might be signing a baller but to me he's a complete unknown so we can't assuming this kid is anything other than a cheap alternative to Neto. I think Levy really gets away with it at times. Particularly when it was confirmed by O'Keefe that we bid 40m + Skipp for Neto so we clearly wanted him.
posted on 16/8/24
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 15 minutes ago
throwing his toys out the pram and wanting him gone a few months into his first season just show he's an attention seeker who should be ignored
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Wanting him gone is harsh. He always needed more than just a season, but he has no credit in the bank. I wouldn't give him any for getting us in Europe cause that was pretty much the minimum he could have done in the circumstances. Form needs to picked up on end of last season's form and quickly. We've spent money, we have a good squad...there are little excuses. 3 wins from the first 5 games is what we should be looking at.
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No credit in the bank......feck me Spurs fans are a tough gig.
Fans need to just show some faith...far too much short term knee-jerking game by game.
The trajectory needs to be upwards, it was last season in almost every respect, and needs to continue this. How we do relative to others should almost be ignored, focussing on our performances and results and see where that takes us.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Hard to say the trajectory was upwards with how we finished the season with 5 losses in 7 and losing out on top 4, despite it being the only thing we had to focus on by January. It's not even like our style of play was any good then either, something we had hoped would improve as the season went on.
So yes, it needs to be put back on track this season. If that form continues early into this season then there is no hiding for Ange and he will rightly face enormous scrutiny and be under pressure.
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We definitely regressed as the season went on. I think that's why some fans don't have a great deal of optimism going into the new season. Many of the performances why pretty abysmal.
If the season was reversed and we finished the way we started, i'd be more confident now.
Like someone said earlier, he earned credit in the bank from the opening 10 games, which were then used up in the last 28 games.
Hopefully we can hit the ground running again and maintain that level throughout the season.
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