comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unl... (U17054)
posted 6 minutes ago
The problems are an awful lot deeper than people see.
We’ve built an economy which incentivises the financialization of businesses across sectors; which incentivises finance to re-invest in FIRE, rather than constructive, productive industries; which taxes productive work much more heavily than capital gains; which has left government tinkering rather than shaping, and toothless when disasters strike; which has given banks free rein to mix business (retail) and pleasure (commercial) knowing that there’s a tacit agreement that the taxpayer will bail it out when it gambles and loses; that sees businesses across sectors leveraging extreme debt to artificially inflate share prices, and after buybacks, spend dwindling profits on dividends rather than useful investment; that relies on slim public coffers both to finance almost all basic R&D *and* clean up the mess left by industrial output; that continues to allow historic wage stagnation whilst the top 10% hoard a greater and greater share of what becomes wholly unproductive wealth…
The list goes on and on and on and on and on, and until we address the underlying structural issues in the economy and the government’s role in it (from emaciated, part-time sticking plaster supplier to market shaper and active participant), I fear we’ll see very limited improvement.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I do not think we are alone in the way our economy is structured and the self-serving way large businesses are setup and structured...Can moving away from that be achieved without almost the whole world changing how it operates?
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unl... (U17054)
posted 6 minutes ago
The problems are an awful lot deeper than people see.
We’ve built an economy which incentivises the financialization of businesses across sectors; which incentivises finance to re-invest in FIRE, rather than constructive, productive industries; which taxes productive work much more heavily than capital gains; which has left government tinkering rather than shaping, and toothless when disasters strike; which has given banks free rein to mix business (retail) and pleasure (commercial) knowing that there’s a tacit agreement that the taxpayer will bail it out when it gambles and loses; that sees businesses across sectors leveraging extreme debt to artificially inflate share prices, and after buybacks, spend dwindling profits on dividends rather than useful investment; that relies on slim public coffers both to finance almost all basic R&D *and* clean up the mess left by industrial output; that continues to allow historic wage stagnation whilst the top 10% hoard a greater and greater share of what becomes wholly unproductive wealth…
The list goes on and on and on and on and on, and until we address the underlying structural issues in the economy and the government’s role in it (from emaciated, part-time sticking plaster supplier to market shaper and active participant), I fear we’ll see very limited improvement.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I do not think we are alone in the way our economy is structured and the self-serving way large businesses are setup and structured...Can moving away from that be achieved without almost the whole world changing how it operates?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Absolutely not.
By “we” I could be talking about the UK, or Portugal, or Europe as a whole. And the same applies to some extent (and even greater in the US, for example) in most of the world’s developed economies. We’re talking about a destructive race-to-the-bottom rooted in horribly outdated, empirically completely undermined economic theory, and perpetuated by those who have profited heavily from the same, largely over the last half century.
There is *some* early positive movement internationally in, for example, the UN programme (I forget its name but can look it up if you’re interested), overwhelmingly supported by the UN GA (and voted against by the US and UK although they obviously have no veto in the GA), looking at the implementation of international law covering the taxation of large multinationals and super high wealth individuals, and also setting minimum levels for corporation tax (effectively banning tax haven tax policy).
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
Dev
The paragraph long explanation wasn't needed thanks
Employing tabloidese emotive phrases like 'bent over to ASLEF', exaggerating pay (£100k takehome) and conflating with totally different professions only serves to make you look like an unhinged Daily Mail columnist.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You say explanations are not needed but here you are again, missing the point like Nunez in front of goal....whooosh, straight over the keeper, over the top tier and into the car park which is as big and empty as your head.
It's about 1 pot of money and how its spent when fiscally times are tough. That's it!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Like during a pandemic there being plenty to take from that one pot, or there being plenty to give to the Rwandan government in exchange for nothing, also plenty of money from the pot to waste on HS2 and other waste of time vanity projects. Google how much Chris Grayling wasted on his own.
Funny how it's one pot for workers but it can be thrown around and wasted elsewhere.
Fiscal lectures from a Tory voter
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
Dev
The paragraph long explanation wasn't needed thanks
Employing tabloidese emotive phrases like 'bent over to ASLEF', exaggerating pay (£100k takehome) and conflating with totally different professions only serves to make you look like an unhinged Daily Mail columnist.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You say explanations are not needed but here you are again, missing the point like Nunez in front of goal....whooosh, straight over the keeper, over the top tier and into the car park which is as big and empty as your head.
It's about 1 pot of money and how its spent when fiscally times are tough. That's it!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Like during a pandemic there being plenty to take from that one pot, or there being plenty to give to the Rwandan government in exchange for nothing, also plenty of money from the pot to waste on HS2 and other waste of time vanity projects. Google how much Chris Grayling wasted on his own.
Funny how it's one pot for workers but it can be thrown around and wasted elsewhere.
Fiscal lectures from a Tory voter
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Im not making this Tory vs Labour, you are! and such petty point scoring just demonstrates your entrenched blinkered out look taints your every opinion.
You are simply incapable of objectivity, making it an us vs them argument when actually what i am trying to do is objectively assess decisions made by this Government . I have not said they were wrong to agree to the Jnr doctors pay dispute. Th e NHS is the top priority. I have not criticised their WFP cut although its application has been clumsy. I am also not against the private school VAT change, although again, the means of its implementation goes beyond clumsy, its grossly unfai.
As stated my background is private sector so my outlook is grounded in the financial realities of medium to small businesses, which are the life bloody of this economy.
You want harp that the Tories did this and they did that and use it as a stick to beat me with. It's pathetic, petty point scoring and entirely irrelevant to what I have been saying throughout.
But I can see you only deal in simple partisan narratives. One can admire loyalty but there is a fine line between it and stupidity. You'd argue black was white if that was the party line.
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unl... (U17054)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unl... (U17054)
posted 6 minutes ago
The problems are an awful lot deeper than people see.
We’ve built an economy which incentivises the financialization of businesses across sectors; which incentivises finance to re-invest in FIRE, rather than constructive, productive industries; which taxes productive work much more heavily than capital gains; which has left government tinkering rather than shaping, and toothless when disasters strike; which has given banks free rein to mix business (retail) and pleasure (commercial) knowing that there’s a tacit agreement that the taxpayer will bail it out when it gambles and loses; that sees businesses across sectors leveraging extreme debt to artificially inflate share prices, and after buybacks, spend dwindling profits on dividends rather than useful investment; that relies on slim public coffers both to finance almost all basic R&D *and* clean up the mess left by industrial output; that continues to allow historic wage stagnation whilst the top 10% hoard a greater and greater share of what becomes wholly unproductive wealth…
The list goes on and on and on and on and on, and until we address the underlying structural issues in the economy and the government’s role in it (from emaciated, part-time sticking plaster supplier to market shaper and active participant), I fear we’ll see very limited improvement.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I do not think we are alone in the way our economy is structured and the self-serving way large businesses are setup and structured...Can moving away from that be achieved without almost the whole world changing how it operates?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Absolutely not.
By “we” I could be talking about the UK, or Portugal, or Europe as a whole. And the same applies to some extent (and even greater in the US, for example) in most of the world’s developed economies. We’re talking about a destructive race-to-the-bottom rooted in horribly outdated, empirically completely undermined economic theory, and perpetuated by those who have profited heavily from the same, largely over the last half century.
There is *some* early positive movement internationally in, for example, the UN programme (I forget its name but can look it up if you’re interested), overwhelmingly supported by the UN GA (and voted against by the US and UKalthough they obviously have no veto in the GA), looking at the implementation of international law covering the taxation of large multinationals and super high wealth individuals, and also setting minimum levels for corporation tax (effectively banning tax haven tax policy).
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Turkeys and Christmas come to mind !
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
Dev
The paragraph long explanation wasn't needed thanks
Employing tabloidese emotive phrases like 'bent over to ASLEF', exaggerating pay (£100k takehome) and conflating with totally different professions only serves to make you look like an unhinged Daily Mail columnist.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You say explanations are not needed but here you are again, missing the point like Nunez in front of goal....whooosh, straight over the keeper, over the top tier and into the car park which is as big and empty as your head.
It's about 1 pot of money and how its spent when fiscally times are tough. That's it!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Like during a pandemic there being plenty to take from that one pot, or there being plenty to give to the Rwandan government in exchange for nothing, also plenty of money from the pot to waste on HS2 and other waste of time vanity projects. Google how much Chris Grayling wasted on his own.
Funny how it's one pot for workers but it can be thrown around and wasted elsewhere.
Fiscal lectures from a Tory voter
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Im not making this Tory vs Labour, you are! and such petty point scoring just demonstrates your entrenched blinkered out look taints your every opinion.
You are simply incapable of objectivity, making it an us vs them argument when actually what i am trying to do is objectively assess decisions made by this Government . I have not said they were wrong to agree to the Jnr doctors pay dispute. Th e NHS is the top priority. I have not criticised their WFP cut although its application has been clumsy. I am also not against the private school VAT change, although again, the means of its implementation goes beyond clumsy, its grossly unfai.
As stated my background is private sector so my outlook is grounded in the financial realities of medium to small businesses, which are the life bloody of this economy.
You want harp that the Tories did this and they did that and use it as a stick to beat me with. It's pathetic, petty point scoring and entirely irrelevant to what I have been saying throughout.
But I can see you only deal in simple partisan narratives. One can admire loyalty but there is a fine line between it and stupidity. You'd argue black was white if that was the party line.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You're whole argument is prefaced on "Labour bent over to ASLEF"
Transport is another top priority given how many commute nowadays. Its a huge contributor to the economy.
Reduce the last 14 years to 'Tory this and Tory that' all you want. You have to acknowledge the reason workers are asking for payrises is because of their actions, how much did Liz Truss' short tenure cost the average worker for example?. We see huge multinational businesses and high NET worth individuals doing everything they can to avoid paying their fair share, then using the threat to pull money, investment, R&D, employment etc as a bargaining chip. All while declaring record profits and paying put bonuses and dividends. Its the same with non doms and tax avoiders. Can they be blamed when the example set by the government of the day was to use a pandemic for profit and partying. But its working class train drivers acting out of greed or avarice apparently.
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
Dev
The paragraph long explanation wasn't needed thanks
Employing tabloidese emotive phrases like 'bent over to ASLEF', exaggerating pay (£100k takehome) and conflating with totally different professions only serves to make you look like an unhinged Daily Mail columnist.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You say explanations are not needed but here you are again, missing the point like Nunez in front of goal....whooosh, straight over the keeper, over the top tier and into the car park which is as big and empty as your head.
It's about 1 pot of money and how its spent when fiscally times are tough. That's it!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Like during a pandemic there being plenty to take from that one pot, or there being plenty to give to the Rwandan government in exchange for nothing, also plenty of money from the pot to waste on HS2 and other waste of time vanity projects. Google how much Chris Grayling wasted on his own.
Funny how it's one pot for workers but it can be thrown around and wasted elsewhere.
Fiscal lectures from a Tory voter
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Im not making this Tory vs Labour, you are! and such petty point scoring just demonstrates your entrenched blinkered out look taints your every opinion.
You are simply incapable of objectivity, making it an us vs them argument when actually what i am trying to do is objectively assess decisions made by this Government . I have not said they were wrong to agree to the Jnr doctors pay dispute. Th e NHS is the top priority. I have not criticised their WFP cut although its application has been clumsy. I am also not against the private school VAT change, although again, the means of its implementation goes beyond clumsy, its grossly unfai.
As stated my background is private sector so my outlook is grounded in the financial realities of medium to small businesses, which are the life bloody of this economy.
You want harp that the Tories did this and they did that and use it as a stick to beat me with. It's pathetic, petty point scoring and entirely irrelevant to what I have been saying throughout.
But I can see you only deal in simple partisan narratives. One can admire loyalty but there is a fine line between it and stupidity. You'd argue black was white if that was the party line.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You're whole argument is prefaced on "Labour bent over to ASLEF"
Transport is another top priority given how many commute nowadays. Its a huge contributor to the economy.
Reduce the last 14 years to 'Tory this and Tory that' all you want. You have to acknowledge the reason workers are asking for payrises is because of their actions, how much did Liz Truss' short tenure cost the average worker for example?. We see huge multinational businesses and high NET worth individuals doing everything they can to avoid paying their fair share, then using the threat to pull money, investment, R&D, employment etc as a bargaining chip. All while declaring record profits and paying put bonuses and dividends. Its the same with non doms and tax avoiders. Can they be blamed when the example set by the government of the day was to use a pandemic for profit and partying. But its working class train drivers acting out of greed or avarice apparently.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Your logic - I cannot criticise some decisions made by this Government because the Tories did worse?
I havent reduced the things the last lot got wrong to anything, because I am commenting on decisions made by this Government. What the last lot did is irrelevant.
It would be like a Man Utd supporter saying, well you cannot criticise ETH for the feckups he's made because Ole was worse
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
Dev
The paragraph long explanation wasn't needed thanks
Employing tabloidese emotive phrases like 'bent over to ASLEF', exaggerating pay (£100k takehome) and conflating with totally different professions only serves to make you look like an unhinged Daily Mail columnist.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You say explanations are not needed but here you are again, missing the point like Nunez in front of goal....whooosh, straight over the keeper, over the top tier and into the car park which is as big and empty as your head.
It's about 1 pot of money and how its spent when fiscally times are tough. That's it!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Like during a pandemic there being plenty to take from that one pot, or there being plenty to give to the Rwandan government in exchange for nothing, also plenty of money from the pot to waste on HS2 and other waste of time vanity projects. Google how much Chris Grayling wasted on his own.
Funny how it's one pot for workers but it can be thrown around and wasted elsewhere.
Fiscal lectures from a Tory voter
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Im not making this Tory vs Labour, you are! and such petty point scoring just demonstrates your entrenched blinkered out look taints your every opinion.
You are simply incapable of objectivity, making it an us vs them argument when actually what i am trying to do is objectively assess decisions made by this Government . I have not said they were wrong to agree to the Jnr doctors pay dispute. Th e NHS is the top priority. I have not criticised their WFP cut although its application has been clumsy. I am also not against the private school VAT change, although again, the means of its implementation goes beyond clumsy, its grossly unfai.
As stated my background is private sector so my outlook is grounded in the financial realities of medium to small businesses, which are the life bloody of this economy.
You want harp that the Tories did this and they did that and use it as a stick to beat me with. It's pathetic, petty point scoring and entirely irrelevant to what I have been saying throughout.
But I can see you only deal in simple partisan narratives. One can admire loyalty but there is a fine line between it and stupidity. You'd argue black was white if that was the party line.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You're whole argument is prefaced on "Labour bent over to ASLEF"
Transport is another top priority given how many commute nowadays. Its a huge contributor to the economy.
Reduce the last 14 years to 'Tory this and Tory that' all you want. You have to acknowledge the reason workers are asking for payrises is because of their actions, how much did Liz Truss' short tenure cost the average worker for example?. We see huge multinational businesses and high NET worth individuals doing everything they can to avoid paying their fair share, then using the threat to pull money, investment, R&D, employment etc as a bargaining chip. All while declaring record profits and paying put bonuses and dividends. Its the same with non doms and tax avoiders. Can they be blamed when the example set by the government of the day was to use a pandemic for profit and partying. But its working class train drivers acting out of greed or avarice apparently.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Your logic - I cannot criticise some decisions made by this Government because the Tories did worse?
I havent reduced the things the last lot got wrong to anything, because I am commenting on decisions made by this Government. What the last lot did is irrelevant.
It would be like a Man Utd supporter saying, well you cannot criticise ETH for the feckups he's made because Ole was worse
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Criticise all you want, don't get upset when your criticism is laughed at.
What the last lot did is irrelevant
What the last lot did is why were all in this position you dope
Now you're moaning about Labour undoing what the last lot did.
I mean it's comparable if you wanted Ole still in the job as recently as July on a new 5 year deal. Your criticism of ETH would then come across as daft and disingenuous and wouldn't be taken seriously.
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
Dev
The paragraph long explanation wasn't needed thanks
Employing tabloidese emotive phrases like 'bent over to ASLEF', exaggerating pay (£100k takehome) and conflating with totally different professions only serves to make you look like an unhinged Daily Mail columnist.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You say explanations are not needed but here you are again, missing the point like Nunez in front of goal....whooosh, straight over the keeper, over the top tier and into the car park which is as big and empty as your head.
It's about 1 pot of money and how its spent when fiscally times are tough. That's it!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Like during a pandemic there being plenty to take from that one pot, or there being plenty to give to the Rwandan government in exchange for nothing, also plenty of money from the pot to waste on HS2 and other waste of time vanity projects. Google how much Chris Grayling wasted on his own.
Funny how it's one pot for workers but it can be thrown around and wasted elsewhere.
Fiscal lectures from a Tory voter
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Im not making this Tory vs Labour, you are! and such petty point scoring just demonstrates your entrenched blinkered out look taints your every opinion.
You are simply incapable of objectivity, making it an us vs them argument when actually what i am trying to do is objectively assess decisions made by this Government . I have not said they were wrong to agree to the Jnr doctors pay dispute. Th e NHS is the top priority. I have not criticised their WFP cut although its application has been clumsy. I am also not against the private school VAT change, although again, the means of its implementation goes beyond clumsy, its grossly unfai.
As stated my background is private sector so my outlook is grounded in the financial realities of medium to small businesses, which are the life bloody of this economy.
You want harp that the Tories did this and they did that and use it as a stick to beat me with. It's pathetic, petty point scoring and entirely irrelevant to what I have been saying throughout.
But I can see you only deal in simple partisan narratives. One can admire loyalty but there is a fine line between it and stupidity. You'd argue black was white if that was the party line.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You're whole argument is prefaced on "Labour bent over to ASLEF"
Transport is another top priority given how many commute nowadays. Its a huge contributor to the economy.
Reduce the last 14 years to 'Tory this and Tory that' all you want. You have to acknowledge the reason workers are asking for payrises is because of their actions, how much did Liz Truss' short tenure cost the average worker for example?. We see huge multinational businesses and high NET worth individuals doing everything they can to avoid paying their fair share, then using the threat to pull money, investment, R&D, employment etc as a bargaining chip. All while declaring record profits and paying put bonuses and dividends. Its the same with non doms and tax avoiders. Can they be blamed when the example set by the government of the day was to use a pandemic for profit and partying. But its working class train drivers acting out of greed or avarice apparently.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Your logic - I cannot criticise some decisions made by this Government because the Tories did worse?
I havent reduced the things the last lot got wrong to anything, because I am commenting on decisions made by this Government. What the last lot did is irrelevant.
It would be like a Man Utd supporter saying, well you cannot criticise ETH for the feckups he's made because Ole was worse
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Criticise all you want, don't get upset when your criticism is laughed at.
What the last lot did is irrelevant
What the last lot did is why were all in this position you dope
Now you're moaning about Labour undoing what the last lot did.
I mean it's comparable if you wanted Ole still in the job as recently as July on a new 5 year deal. Your criticism of ETH would then come across as daft and disingenuous and wouldn't be taken seriously.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Point missed. Yet again.
Of course Labour are playing with the hand dealt to them, but if that's a shiiitty hand then why hand out generous no strings pay awards to well paid train drivers and then moan about the fiscal black hole.
Apparently its the well paid, those with the broadest shoulders who will have to carry the burden...oh unless your Unionised train drivers, then we'll bend over for your. Its the other well paid broad shoulders that will have to do the heavy lifting.
Don't care if you dont agree with, your more blinkered than Blinky McBlinkerson. But this sort of disparity of treatment will irk many.
and to compound this situation, the reports are employer NI will go up. Not only is that anti growth but it will harm businesses ability to invest in their staff and new staff.
SO with the one hand they're handing drivers their gift wrapped pay awards.
On the other they're making it more expensive, and therefore less likely, for businesses to pay their staff what they deserve.
I'll leave you with this, because im banging my head against a brick wall with you.
What Labour are planning to do for the NHS, their manifesto commitments, amounts to less additional spending than George Osbourne put into the NHS in the austerity years. Not a tabloid headline, but taken from Radio 4's today programme.
I can fully understand why, because as the exiting chief secretary to the Treasury said when Labour last left Government, "I'm afraid there's no money". Hard times, hard decisions to be made. Good luck to this Government i hope they smash it out of the park but to do so they will need more than 5 years and to achieve that they will need to be seen to be acting fairly across all sectors and being very strong with the public finances otherwise the old narratives about their ability to run an economy and manage the size of the state will resurface.
They've got 4.5 years to change the narrative for those getting upset by what is honestly very little.
The hard yards have to be done and it's logical to do the hard things now, at the beginning, then watch the good times roll in over the course of their premiership....
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 1 hour, 24 minutes ago
They've got 4.5 years to change the narrative for those getting upset by what is honestly very little.
The hard yards have to be done and it's logical to do the hard things now, at the beginning, then watch the good times roll in over the course of their premiership....
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sounds great but few major economies are achieving decent growth, USA aside.
As a Spurs fans i am well versed in pain today, jam tomorrow, but other than some very small commitments to the NHS and education, they have revealed very little substance behind behind this key priority to mend this country and drive growth.
I watch with interest to see how they plan to deliver their vision. SO far they have been really rather negative, managing expectations. Bit like a new manager coming in and saying "well the squad's shiiiit so there gonna be a lot to change and its going to be painful and take ages." Visions are sold with positivity, not doom and gloom.
Devon,I admire your cussed fortitude .
Fannie, please try and enter into the real world.
Hector, you are the supreme optimist.
posted 3 weeks, 6 days ago
comment by H von H. (U16981)
posted 3 days, 16 hours ago
Devon,I admire your cussed fortitude .
Annie, please try and enter into the real world.
Hector, you are the supreme optimist.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
“Annie, please try and enter into the real world. ”
That will never happen HVH as long as he can find stuff on google! Which is quite laughable really, if anyone posts stuff knocking Labour he’s like the other Lefties that bleat on about “Right wing rags”!
Anyhow I’ve just returned to good old Blighty this weekend to find that the Taylor Swift episode hasn’t gone away, it really was poor show for Labour to pressurise the Met to give her a police escort but I guess free tickets help matters plus Keir getting to meet her!
Then we’ve got the rumours (at present) over the budget Labour NI increase for employers, reducing the tax free lump sum for pensions to 100k!!!!!
Keeping the tax thresholds beyond 2028 and then claim it’s not against their manifesto!
posted 3 weeks, 6 days ago
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/oct/21/james-cleverly-spent-655-a-head-on-in-flight-catering-for-one-day-trip-to-rwanda
Hands up who voted for 5 more years of this sort of shiite?
Meanwhile in the 'real world' we should be up in arms about Taylor Swift or something
posted 3 weeks, 6 days ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 days, 17 hours ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 1 hour, 24 minutes ago
They've got 4.5 years to change the narrative for those getting upset by what is honestly very little.
The hard yards have to be done and it's logical to do the hard things now, at the beginning, then watch the good times roll in over the course of their premiership....
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sounds great but few major economies are achieving decent growth, USA aside.
As a Spurs fans i am well versed in pain today, jam tomorrow, but other than some very small commitments to the NHS and education, they have revealed very little substance behind behind this key priority to mend this country and drive growth.
I watch with interest to see how they plan to deliver their vision. SO far they have been really rather negative, managing expectations. Bit like a new manager coming in and saying "well the squad's shiiiit so there gonna be a lot to change and its going to be painful and take ages." Visions are sold with positivity, not doom and gloom.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Hardly surprising we haven't achieved growth though, the last lot seperatedbus from our biggest trade partners, couldn't complete a railway line 120 miles and near crashed the economy, not great carrots for possible investments.
We ain't digging our way out of the tory dug 5hithole overnight, those who benefit the most from our economy should bear the biggest burden as we try to right the ship, when things improve (like football it's cyclical) that burden can be removed
If you thought it was gonna be sunshine and unicorns the day after the corrupt Tories were sent packing I have a bridge I can sell you.
posted 3 weeks, 6 days ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 37 minutes ago
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/oct/21/james-cleverly-spent-655-a-head-on-in-flight-catering-for-one-day-trip-to-rwanda
Hands up who voted for 5 more years of this sort of shiite?
Meanwhile in the 'real world' we should be up in arms about Taylor Swift or something
----------------------------------------------------------------------
At £655 a head I would expect Taylor Swift to be doing the cooking
posted 3 weeks, 6 days ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 8 hours, 12 minutes ago
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/oct/21/james-cleverly-spent-655-a-head-on-in-flight-catering-for-one-day-trip-to-rwanda
Hands up who voted for 5 more years of this sort of shiite?
Meanwhile in the 'real world' we should be up in arms about Taylor Swift or something
----------------------------------------------------------------------
🤣… Typical Annie! Yeah but the Tories did this!
I agree it was over the top, but I dare say it’s happened time and time again by both parties over the years whilst doing ministerial duties!
However the Taylor Swift VVIP police escorts for free tickets wouldn’t come cheap! How much would you say it cost?
To think Labour billed themselves as the party for “Change”! 🤣
Now we await to see whether they ruin peoples retirement plans with the £100k tax free limit!
Not to mention possibly breaking their manifesto with keeping the “stealth tax” yes the “stealth tax” for a further 2 years!
Yeah Labour the party of lying freeloaders!
No doubt this will have Annie stamping his feet followed by the child like comments about you can’t criticise Labour because you voted Tory in July!
posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago
Well old Two Tier really did himself proud with his definition of working class!
And then later a spokesperson had to come out and clarify exactly what he meant!
Talk of NI going onto private pension contributions but they are going to continue to protect 'gold-plated' public sector pensions, plus salary sacrifice on pension contributions could be at risk!
Prepare for the worst people!
posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago
ooooh fearmongering...
Suck it up buttercup.
posted 3 weeks, 1 day ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 22 hours, 6 minutes ago
ooooh fearmongering...
Suck it up buttercup.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
‘fearmongering’ 🤣
I’ve no need to do any ‘fearmongering’, Starmer, Reeves and the Labour party are doing a great job it themselves!!
posted 3 weeks, 1 day ago
Don't forget RED,you are speaking to another strong union member ,who no doubt lives in a safe and securely pensioned Shangri La !
posted 2 weeks, 6 days ago
Well it seems the Labour MP Mr Amesbury has been to John Prescotts school of politics!
At least Prescott only throw the one punch unlike the thug Amesbury who continued to rain punches down on the guy whilst he was on the floor!
But this seems to be Labour’s thing kicking people whilst they’re down!! (Not kicking but you get the gist of it)
posted 2 weeks, 6 days ago
comment by RED666…Doing the Right thing! 🇬🇧 (U6562)
posted 1 day, 20 hours ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 22 hours, 6 minutes ago
ooooh fearmongering...
Suck it up buttercup.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
‘fearmongering’ 🤣
I’ve no need to do any ‘fearmongering’, Starmer, Reeves and the Labour party are doing a great job it themselves!!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Hahaha competence scares you because your hardwired into thinking corruption and ineptitude is the norm.
Jeremy Hunt is another one that's as scared as you.
posted 2 weeks, 4 days ago
Well there we have it!
The first Labour budget failed to deliver their manifesto and they’re not ruling out more tax rises!
posted 2 weeks, 4 days ago
Well I never ,what on earth will Hector say to that ,and Fieldsofannie as well of course?
Sign in if you want to comment
Sir Keir Starmer !
Page 17 of 23
18 | 19 | 20 | 21 | 22
posted on 17/10/24
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unl... (U17054)
posted 6 minutes ago
The problems are an awful lot deeper than people see.
We’ve built an economy which incentivises the financialization of businesses across sectors; which incentivises finance to re-invest in FIRE, rather than constructive, productive industries; which taxes productive work much more heavily than capital gains; which has left government tinkering rather than shaping, and toothless when disasters strike; which has given banks free rein to mix business (retail) and pleasure (commercial) knowing that there’s a tacit agreement that the taxpayer will bail it out when it gambles and loses; that sees businesses across sectors leveraging extreme debt to artificially inflate share prices, and after buybacks, spend dwindling profits on dividends rather than useful investment; that relies on slim public coffers both to finance almost all basic R&D *and* clean up the mess left by industrial output; that continues to allow historic wage stagnation whilst the top 10% hoard a greater and greater share of what becomes wholly unproductive wealth…
The list goes on and on and on and on and on, and until we address the underlying structural issues in the economy and the government’s role in it (from emaciated, part-time sticking plaster supplier to market shaper and active participant), I fear we’ll see very limited improvement.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I do not think we are alone in the way our economy is structured and the self-serving way large businesses are setup and structured...Can moving away from that be achieved without almost the whole world changing how it operates?
posted on 17/10/24
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unl... (U17054)
posted 6 minutes ago
The problems are an awful lot deeper than people see.
We’ve built an economy which incentivises the financialization of businesses across sectors; which incentivises finance to re-invest in FIRE, rather than constructive, productive industries; which taxes productive work much more heavily than capital gains; which has left government tinkering rather than shaping, and toothless when disasters strike; which has given banks free rein to mix business (retail) and pleasure (commercial) knowing that there’s a tacit agreement that the taxpayer will bail it out when it gambles and loses; that sees businesses across sectors leveraging extreme debt to artificially inflate share prices, and after buybacks, spend dwindling profits on dividends rather than useful investment; that relies on slim public coffers both to finance almost all basic R&D *and* clean up the mess left by industrial output; that continues to allow historic wage stagnation whilst the top 10% hoard a greater and greater share of what becomes wholly unproductive wealth…
The list goes on and on and on and on and on, and until we address the underlying structural issues in the economy and the government’s role in it (from emaciated, part-time sticking plaster supplier to market shaper and active participant), I fear we’ll see very limited improvement.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I do not think we are alone in the way our economy is structured and the self-serving way large businesses are setup and structured...Can moving away from that be achieved without almost the whole world changing how it operates?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Absolutely not.
By “we” I could be talking about the UK, or Portugal, or Europe as a whole. And the same applies to some extent (and even greater in the US, for example) in most of the world’s developed economies. We’re talking about a destructive race-to-the-bottom rooted in horribly outdated, empirically completely undermined economic theory, and perpetuated by those who have profited heavily from the same, largely over the last half century.
There is *some* early positive movement internationally in, for example, the UN programme (I forget its name but can look it up if you’re interested), overwhelmingly supported by the UN GA (and voted against by the US and UK although they obviously have no veto in the GA), looking at the implementation of international law covering the taxation of large multinationals and super high wealth individuals, and also setting minimum levels for corporation tax (effectively banning tax haven tax policy).
posted on 17/10/24
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
Dev
The paragraph long explanation wasn't needed thanks
Employing tabloidese emotive phrases like 'bent over to ASLEF', exaggerating pay (£100k takehome) and conflating with totally different professions only serves to make you look like an unhinged Daily Mail columnist.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You say explanations are not needed but here you are again, missing the point like Nunez in front of goal....whooosh, straight over the keeper, over the top tier and into the car park which is as big and empty as your head.
It's about 1 pot of money and how its spent when fiscally times are tough. That's it!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Like during a pandemic there being plenty to take from that one pot, or there being plenty to give to the Rwandan government in exchange for nothing, also plenty of money from the pot to waste on HS2 and other waste of time vanity projects. Google how much Chris Grayling wasted on his own.
Funny how it's one pot for workers but it can be thrown around and wasted elsewhere.
Fiscal lectures from a Tory voter
posted on 17/10/24
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
Dev
The paragraph long explanation wasn't needed thanks
Employing tabloidese emotive phrases like 'bent over to ASLEF', exaggerating pay (£100k takehome) and conflating with totally different professions only serves to make you look like an unhinged Daily Mail columnist.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You say explanations are not needed but here you are again, missing the point like Nunez in front of goal....whooosh, straight over the keeper, over the top tier and into the car park which is as big and empty as your head.
It's about 1 pot of money and how its spent when fiscally times are tough. That's it!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Like during a pandemic there being plenty to take from that one pot, or there being plenty to give to the Rwandan government in exchange for nothing, also plenty of money from the pot to waste on HS2 and other waste of time vanity projects. Google how much Chris Grayling wasted on his own.
Funny how it's one pot for workers but it can be thrown around and wasted elsewhere.
Fiscal lectures from a Tory voter
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Im not making this Tory vs Labour, you are! and such petty point scoring just demonstrates your entrenched blinkered out look taints your every opinion.
You are simply incapable of objectivity, making it an us vs them argument when actually what i am trying to do is objectively assess decisions made by this Government . I have not said they were wrong to agree to the Jnr doctors pay dispute. Th e NHS is the top priority. I have not criticised their WFP cut although its application has been clumsy. I am also not against the private school VAT change, although again, the means of its implementation goes beyond clumsy, its grossly unfai.
As stated my background is private sector so my outlook is grounded in the financial realities of medium to small businesses, which are the life bloody of this economy.
You want harp that the Tories did this and they did that and use it as a stick to beat me with. It's pathetic, petty point scoring and entirely irrelevant to what I have been saying throughout.
But I can see you only deal in simple partisan narratives. One can admire loyalty but there is a fine line between it and stupidity. You'd argue black was white if that was the party line.
posted on 17/10/24
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unl... (U17054)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unl... (U17054)
posted 6 minutes ago
The problems are an awful lot deeper than people see.
We’ve built an economy which incentivises the financialization of businesses across sectors; which incentivises finance to re-invest in FIRE, rather than constructive, productive industries; which taxes productive work much more heavily than capital gains; which has left government tinkering rather than shaping, and toothless when disasters strike; which has given banks free rein to mix business (retail) and pleasure (commercial) knowing that there’s a tacit agreement that the taxpayer will bail it out when it gambles and loses; that sees businesses across sectors leveraging extreme debt to artificially inflate share prices, and after buybacks, spend dwindling profits on dividends rather than useful investment; that relies on slim public coffers both to finance almost all basic R&D *and* clean up the mess left by industrial output; that continues to allow historic wage stagnation whilst the top 10% hoard a greater and greater share of what becomes wholly unproductive wealth…
The list goes on and on and on and on and on, and until we address the underlying structural issues in the economy and the government’s role in it (from emaciated, part-time sticking plaster supplier to market shaper and active participant), I fear we’ll see very limited improvement.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I do not think we are alone in the way our economy is structured and the self-serving way large businesses are setup and structured...Can moving away from that be achieved without almost the whole world changing how it operates?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Absolutely not.
By “we” I could be talking about the UK, or Portugal, or Europe as a whole. And the same applies to some extent (and even greater in the US, for example) in most of the world’s developed economies. We’re talking about a destructive race-to-the-bottom rooted in horribly outdated, empirically completely undermined economic theory, and perpetuated by those who have profited heavily from the same, largely over the last half century.
There is *some* early positive movement internationally in, for example, the UN programme (I forget its name but can look it up if you’re interested), overwhelmingly supported by the UN GA (and voted against by the US and UKalthough they obviously have no veto in the GA), looking at the implementation of international law covering the taxation of large multinationals and super high wealth individuals, and also setting minimum levels for corporation tax (effectively banning tax haven tax policy).
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Turkeys and Christmas come to mind !
posted on 17/10/24
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
Dev
The paragraph long explanation wasn't needed thanks
Employing tabloidese emotive phrases like 'bent over to ASLEF', exaggerating pay (£100k takehome) and conflating with totally different professions only serves to make you look like an unhinged Daily Mail columnist.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You say explanations are not needed but here you are again, missing the point like Nunez in front of goal....whooosh, straight over the keeper, over the top tier and into the car park which is as big and empty as your head.
It's about 1 pot of money and how its spent when fiscally times are tough. That's it!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Like during a pandemic there being plenty to take from that one pot, or there being plenty to give to the Rwandan government in exchange for nothing, also plenty of money from the pot to waste on HS2 and other waste of time vanity projects. Google how much Chris Grayling wasted on his own.
Funny how it's one pot for workers but it can be thrown around and wasted elsewhere.
Fiscal lectures from a Tory voter
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Im not making this Tory vs Labour, you are! and such petty point scoring just demonstrates your entrenched blinkered out look taints your every opinion.
You are simply incapable of objectivity, making it an us vs them argument when actually what i am trying to do is objectively assess decisions made by this Government . I have not said they were wrong to agree to the Jnr doctors pay dispute. Th e NHS is the top priority. I have not criticised their WFP cut although its application has been clumsy. I am also not against the private school VAT change, although again, the means of its implementation goes beyond clumsy, its grossly unfai.
As stated my background is private sector so my outlook is grounded in the financial realities of medium to small businesses, which are the life bloody of this economy.
You want harp that the Tories did this and they did that and use it as a stick to beat me with. It's pathetic, petty point scoring and entirely irrelevant to what I have been saying throughout.
But I can see you only deal in simple partisan narratives. One can admire loyalty but there is a fine line between it and stupidity. You'd argue black was white if that was the party line.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You're whole argument is prefaced on "Labour bent over to ASLEF"
Transport is another top priority given how many commute nowadays. Its a huge contributor to the economy.
Reduce the last 14 years to 'Tory this and Tory that' all you want. You have to acknowledge the reason workers are asking for payrises is because of their actions, how much did Liz Truss' short tenure cost the average worker for example?. We see huge multinational businesses and high NET worth individuals doing everything they can to avoid paying their fair share, then using the threat to pull money, investment, R&D, employment etc as a bargaining chip. All while declaring record profits and paying put bonuses and dividends. Its the same with non doms and tax avoiders. Can they be blamed when the example set by the government of the day was to use a pandemic for profit and partying. But its working class train drivers acting out of greed or avarice apparently.
posted on 17/10/24
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
Dev
The paragraph long explanation wasn't needed thanks
Employing tabloidese emotive phrases like 'bent over to ASLEF', exaggerating pay (£100k takehome) and conflating with totally different professions only serves to make you look like an unhinged Daily Mail columnist.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You say explanations are not needed but here you are again, missing the point like Nunez in front of goal....whooosh, straight over the keeper, over the top tier and into the car park which is as big and empty as your head.
It's about 1 pot of money and how its spent when fiscally times are tough. That's it!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Like during a pandemic there being plenty to take from that one pot, or there being plenty to give to the Rwandan government in exchange for nothing, also plenty of money from the pot to waste on HS2 and other waste of time vanity projects. Google how much Chris Grayling wasted on his own.
Funny how it's one pot for workers but it can be thrown around and wasted elsewhere.
Fiscal lectures from a Tory voter
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Im not making this Tory vs Labour, you are! and such petty point scoring just demonstrates your entrenched blinkered out look taints your every opinion.
You are simply incapable of objectivity, making it an us vs them argument when actually what i am trying to do is objectively assess decisions made by this Government . I have not said they were wrong to agree to the Jnr doctors pay dispute. Th e NHS is the top priority. I have not criticised their WFP cut although its application has been clumsy. I am also not against the private school VAT change, although again, the means of its implementation goes beyond clumsy, its grossly unfai.
As stated my background is private sector so my outlook is grounded in the financial realities of medium to small businesses, which are the life bloody of this economy.
You want harp that the Tories did this and they did that and use it as a stick to beat me with. It's pathetic, petty point scoring and entirely irrelevant to what I have been saying throughout.
But I can see you only deal in simple partisan narratives. One can admire loyalty but there is a fine line between it and stupidity. You'd argue black was white if that was the party line.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You're whole argument is prefaced on "Labour bent over to ASLEF"
Transport is another top priority given how many commute nowadays. Its a huge contributor to the economy.
Reduce the last 14 years to 'Tory this and Tory that' all you want. You have to acknowledge the reason workers are asking for payrises is because of their actions, how much did Liz Truss' short tenure cost the average worker for example?. We see huge multinational businesses and high NET worth individuals doing everything they can to avoid paying their fair share, then using the threat to pull money, investment, R&D, employment etc as a bargaining chip. All while declaring record profits and paying put bonuses and dividends. Its the same with non doms and tax avoiders. Can they be blamed when the example set by the government of the day was to use a pandemic for profit and partying. But its working class train drivers acting out of greed or avarice apparently.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Your logic - I cannot criticise some decisions made by this Government because the Tories did worse?
I havent reduced the things the last lot got wrong to anything, because I am commenting on decisions made by this Government. What the last lot did is irrelevant.
It would be like a Man Utd supporter saying, well you cannot criticise ETH for the feckups he's made because Ole was worse
posted on 17/10/24
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
Dev
The paragraph long explanation wasn't needed thanks
Employing tabloidese emotive phrases like 'bent over to ASLEF', exaggerating pay (£100k takehome) and conflating with totally different professions only serves to make you look like an unhinged Daily Mail columnist.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You say explanations are not needed but here you are again, missing the point like Nunez in front of goal....whooosh, straight over the keeper, over the top tier and into the car park which is as big and empty as your head.
It's about 1 pot of money and how its spent when fiscally times are tough. That's it!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Like during a pandemic there being plenty to take from that one pot, or there being plenty to give to the Rwandan government in exchange for nothing, also plenty of money from the pot to waste on HS2 and other waste of time vanity projects. Google how much Chris Grayling wasted on his own.
Funny how it's one pot for workers but it can be thrown around and wasted elsewhere.
Fiscal lectures from a Tory voter
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Im not making this Tory vs Labour, you are! and such petty point scoring just demonstrates your entrenched blinkered out look taints your every opinion.
You are simply incapable of objectivity, making it an us vs them argument when actually what i am trying to do is objectively assess decisions made by this Government . I have not said they were wrong to agree to the Jnr doctors pay dispute. Th e NHS is the top priority. I have not criticised their WFP cut although its application has been clumsy. I am also not against the private school VAT change, although again, the means of its implementation goes beyond clumsy, its grossly unfai.
As stated my background is private sector so my outlook is grounded in the financial realities of medium to small businesses, which are the life bloody of this economy.
You want harp that the Tories did this and they did that and use it as a stick to beat me with. It's pathetic, petty point scoring and entirely irrelevant to what I have been saying throughout.
But I can see you only deal in simple partisan narratives. One can admire loyalty but there is a fine line between it and stupidity. You'd argue black was white if that was the party line.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You're whole argument is prefaced on "Labour bent over to ASLEF"
Transport is another top priority given how many commute nowadays. Its a huge contributor to the economy.
Reduce the last 14 years to 'Tory this and Tory that' all you want. You have to acknowledge the reason workers are asking for payrises is because of their actions, how much did Liz Truss' short tenure cost the average worker for example?. We see huge multinational businesses and high NET worth individuals doing everything they can to avoid paying their fair share, then using the threat to pull money, investment, R&D, employment etc as a bargaining chip. All while declaring record profits and paying put bonuses and dividends. Its the same with non doms and tax avoiders. Can they be blamed when the example set by the government of the day was to use a pandemic for profit and partying. But its working class train drivers acting out of greed or avarice apparently.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Your logic - I cannot criticise some decisions made by this Government because the Tories did worse?
I havent reduced the things the last lot got wrong to anything, because I am commenting on decisions made by this Government. What the last lot did is irrelevant.
It would be like a Man Utd supporter saying, well you cannot criticise ETH for the feckups he's made because Ole was worse
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Criticise all you want, don't get upset when your criticism is laughed at.
What the last lot did is irrelevant
What the last lot did is why were all in this position you dope
Now you're moaning about Labour undoing what the last lot did.
I mean it's comparable if you wanted Ole still in the job as recently as July on a new 5 year deal. Your criticism of ETH would then come across as daft and disingenuous and wouldn't be taken seriously.
posted on 17/10/24
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
Dev
The paragraph long explanation wasn't needed thanks
Employing tabloidese emotive phrases like 'bent over to ASLEF', exaggerating pay (£100k takehome) and conflating with totally different professions only serves to make you look like an unhinged Daily Mail columnist.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You say explanations are not needed but here you are again, missing the point like Nunez in front of goal....whooosh, straight over the keeper, over the top tier and into the car park which is as big and empty as your head.
It's about 1 pot of money and how its spent when fiscally times are tough. That's it!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Like during a pandemic there being plenty to take from that one pot, or there being plenty to give to the Rwandan government in exchange for nothing, also plenty of money from the pot to waste on HS2 and other waste of time vanity projects. Google how much Chris Grayling wasted on his own.
Funny how it's one pot for workers but it can be thrown around and wasted elsewhere.
Fiscal lectures from a Tory voter
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Im not making this Tory vs Labour, you are! and such petty point scoring just demonstrates your entrenched blinkered out look taints your every opinion.
You are simply incapable of objectivity, making it an us vs them argument when actually what i am trying to do is objectively assess decisions made by this Government . I have not said they were wrong to agree to the Jnr doctors pay dispute. Th e NHS is the top priority. I have not criticised their WFP cut although its application has been clumsy. I am also not against the private school VAT change, although again, the means of its implementation goes beyond clumsy, its grossly unfai.
As stated my background is private sector so my outlook is grounded in the financial realities of medium to small businesses, which are the life bloody of this economy.
You want harp that the Tories did this and they did that and use it as a stick to beat me with. It's pathetic, petty point scoring and entirely irrelevant to what I have been saying throughout.
But I can see you only deal in simple partisan narratives. One can admire loyalty but there is a fine line between it and stupidity. You'd argue black was white if that was the party line.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You're whole argument is prefaced on "Labour bent over to ASLEF"
Transport is another top priority given how many commute nowadays. Its a huge contributor to the economy.
Reduce the last 14 years to 'Tory this and Tory that' all you want. You have to acknowledge the reason workers are asking for payrises is because of their actions, how much did Liz Truss' short tenure cost the average worker for example?. We see huge multinational businesses and high NET worth individuals doing everything they can to avoid paying their fair share, then using the threat to pull money, investment, R&D, employment etc as a bargaining chip. All while declaring record profits and paying put bonuses and dividends. Its the same with non doms and tax avoiders. Can they be blamed when the example set by the government of the day was to use a pandemic for profit and partying. But its working class train drivers acting out of greed or avarice apparently.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Your logic - I cannot criticise some decisions made by this Government because the Tories did worse?
I havent reduced the things the last lot got wrong to anything, because I am commenting on decisions made by this Government. What the last lot did is irrelevant.
It would be like a Man Utd supporter saying, well you cannot criticise ETH for the feckups he's made because Ole was worse
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Criticise all you want, don't get upset when your criticism is laughed at.
What the last lot did is irrelevant
What the last lot did is why were all in this position you dope
Now you're moaning about Labour undoing what the last lot did.
I mean it's comparable if you wanted Ole still in the job as recently as July on a new 5 year deal. Your criticism of ETH would then come across as daft and disingenuous and wouldn't be taken seriously.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Point missed. Yet again.
Of course Labour are playing with the hand dealt to them, but if that's a shiiitty hand then why hand out generous no strings pay awards to well paid train drivers and then moan about the fiscal black hole.
Apparently its the well paid, those with the broadest shoulders who will have to carry the burden...oh unless your Unionised train drivers, then we'll bend over for your. Its the other well paid broad shoulders that will have to do the heavy lifting.
Don't care if you dont agree with, your more blinkered than Blinky McBlinkerson. But this sort of disparity of treatment will irk many.
and to compound this situation, the reports are employer NI will go up. Not only is that anti growth but it will harm businesses ability to invest in their staff and new staff.
SO with the one hand they're handing drivers their gift wrapped pay awards.
On the other they're making it more expensive, and therefore less likely, for businesses to pay their staff what they deserve.
I'll leave you with this, because im banging my head against a brick wall with you.
What Labour are planning to do for the NHS, their manifesto commitments, amounts to less additional spending than George Osbourne put into the NHS in the austerity years. Not a tabloid headline, but taken from Radio 4's today programme.
I can fully understand why, because as the exiting chief secretary to the Treasury said when Labour last left Government, "I'm afraid there's no money". Hard times, hard decisions to be made. Good luck to this Government i hope they smash it out of the park but to do so they will need more than 5 years and to achieve that they will need to be seen to be acting fairly across all sectors and being very strong with the public finances otherwise the old narratives about their ability to run an economy and manage the size of the state will resurface.
posted on 17/10/24
They've got 4.5 years to change the narrative for those getting upset by what is honestly very little.
The hard yards have to be done and it's logical to do the hard things now, at the beginning, then watch the good times roll in over the course of their premiership....
posted on 17/10/24
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 1 hour, 24 minutes ago
They've got 4.5 years to change the narrative for those getting upset by what is honestly very little.
The hard yards have to be done and it's logical to do the hard things now, at the beginning, then watch the good times roll in over the course of their premiership....
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sounds great but few major economies are achieving decent growth, USA aside.
As a Spurs fans i am well versed in pain today, jam tomorrow, but other than some very small commitments to the NHS and education, they have revealed very little substance behind behind this key priority to mend this country and drive growth.
I watch with interest to see how they plan to deliver their vision. SO far they have been really rather negative, managing expectations. Bit like a new manager coming in and saying "well the squad's shiiiit so there gonna be a lot to change and its going to be painful and take ages." Visions are sold with positivity, not doom and gloom.
posted on 17/10/24
Devon,I admire your cussed fortitude .
Fannie, please try and enter into the real world.
Hector, you are the supreme optimist.
posted 3 weeks, 6 days ago
comment by H von H. (U16981)
posted 3 days, 16 hours ago
Devon,I admire your cussed fortitude .
Annie, please try and enter into the real world.
Hector, you are the supreme optimist.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
“Annie, please try and enter into the real world. ”
That will never happen HVH as long as he can find stuff on google! Which is quite laughable really, if anyone posts stuff knocking Labour he’s like the other Lefties that bleat on about “Right wing rags”!
Anyhow I’ve just returned to good old Blighty this weekend to find that the Taylor Swift episode hasn’t gone away, it really was poor show for Labour to pressurise the Met to give her a police escort but I guess free tickets help matters plus Keir getting to meet her!
Then we’ve got the rumours (at present) over the budget Labour NI increase for employers, reducing the tax free lump sum for pensions to 100k!!!!!
Keeping the tax thresholds beyond 2028 and then claim it’s not against their manifesto!
posted 3 weeks, 6 days ago
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/oct/21/james-cleverly-spent-655-a-head-on-in-flight-catering-for-one-day-trip-to-rwanda
Hands up who voted for 5 more years of this sort of shiite?
Meanwhile in the 'real world' we should be up in arms about Taylor Swift or something
posted 3 weeks, 6 days ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 days, 17 hours ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 1 hour, 24 minutes ago
They've got 4.5 years to change the narrative for those getting upset by what is honestly very little.
The hard yards have to be done and it's logical to do the hard things now, at the beginning, then watch the good times roll in over the course of their premiership....
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sounds great but few major economies are achieving decent growth, USA aside.
As a Spurs fans i am well versed in pain today, jam tomorrow, but other than some very small commitments to the NHS and education, they have revealed very little substance behind behind this key priority to mend this country and drive growth.
I watch with interest to see how they plan to deliver their vision. SO far they have been really rather negative, managing expectations. Bit like a new manager coming in and saying "well the squad's shiiiit so there gonna be a lot to change and its going to be painful and take ages." Visions are sold with positivity, not doom and gloom.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Hardly surprising we haven't achieved growth though, the last lot seperatedbus from our biggest trade partners, couldn't complete a railway line 120 miles and near crashed the economy, not great carrots for possible investments.
We ain't digging our way out of the tory dug 5hithole overnight, those who benefit the most from our economy should bear the biggest burden as we try to right the ship, when things improve (like football it's cyclical) that burden can be removed
If you thought it was gonna be sunshine and unicorns the day after the corrupt Tories were sent packing I have a bridge I can sell you.
posted 3 weeks, 6 days ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 37 minutes ago
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/oct/21/james-cleverly-spent-655-a-head-on-in-flight-catering-for-one-day-trip-to-rwanda
Hands up who voted for 5 more years of this sort of shiite?
Meanwhile in the 'real world' we should be up in arms about Taylor Swift or something
----------------------------------------------------------------------
At £655 a head I would expect Taylor Swift to be doing the cooking
posted 3 weeks, 6 days ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 8 hours, 12 minutes ago
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/oct/21/james-cleverly-spent-655-a-head-on-in-flight-catering-for-one-day-trip-to-rwanda
Hands up who voted for 5 more years of this sort of shiite?
Meanwhile in the 'real world' we should be up in arms about Taylor Swift or something
----------------------------------------------------------------------
🤣… Typical Annie! Yeah but the Tories did this!
I agree it was over the top, but I dare say it’s happened time and time again by both parties over the years whilst doing ministerial duties!
However the Taylor Swift VVIP police escorts for free tickets wouldn’t come cheap! How much would you say it cost?
To think Labour billed themselves as the party for “Change”! 🤣
Now we await to see whether they ruin peoples retirement plans with the £100k tax free limit!
Not to mention possibly breaking their manifesto with keeping the “stealth tax” yes the “stealth tax” for a further 2 years!
Yeah Labour the party of lying freeloaders!
No doubt this will have Annie stamping his feet followed by the child like comments about you can’t criticise Labour because you voted Tory in July!
posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago
Well old Two Tier really did himself proud with his definition of working class!
And then later a spokesperson had to come out and clarify exactly what he meant!
Talk of NI going onto private pension contributions but they are going to continue to protect 'gold-plated' public sector pensions, plus salary sacrifice on pension contributions could be at risk!
Prepare for the worst people!
posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago
ooooh fearmongering...
Suck it up buttercup.
posted 3 weeks, 1 day ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 22 hours, 6 minutes ago
ooooh fearmongering...
Suck it up buttercup.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
‘fearmongering’ 🤣
I’ve no need to do any ‘fearmongering’, Starmer, Reeves and the Labour party are doing a great job it themselves!!
posted 3 weeks, 1 day ago
Don't forget RED,you are speaking to another strong union member ,who no doubt lives in a safe and securely pensioned Shangri La !
posted 2 weeks, 6 days ago
Well it seems the Labour MP Mr Amesbury has been to John Prescotts school of politics!
At least Prescott only throw the one punch unlike the thug Amesbury who continued to rain punches down on the guy whilst he was on the floor!
But this seems to be Labour’s thing kicking people whilst they’re down!! (Not kicking but you get the gist of it)
posted 2 weeks, 6 days ago
comment by RED666…Doing the Right thing! 🇬🇧 (U6562)
posted 1 day, 20 hours ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 22 hours, 6 minutes ago
ooooh fearmongering...
Suck it up buttercup.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
‘fearmongering’ 🤣
I’ve no need to do any ‘fearmongering’, Starmer, Reeves and the Labour party are doing a great job it themselves!!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Hahaha competence scares you because your hardwired into thinking corruption and ineptitude is the norm.
Jeremy Hunt is another one that's as scared as you.
posted 2 weeks, 4 days ago
Well there we have it!
The first Labour budget failed to deliver their manifesto and they’re not ruling out more tax rises!
posted 2 weeks, 4 days ago
Well I never ,what on earth will Hector say to that ,and Fieldsofannie as well of course?
Page 17 of 23
18 | 19 | 20 | 21 | 22