comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 1 day, 3 hours ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 11 hours, 8 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 hours, 2 minutes ago
Economic lectures from a conservative fan that gave us the growth monsters of Brexit and Liz Truss. Sit down.
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Fanny clearly has no idea how it works. I was enlightening him.
That is not to say I agree with every Tory economic policy, so stop harping back to what the last lot did. It's what this lot are doing the matters now.
I simply don't understand how they preach growth and offer nothing to achieve it. In fact the opposite
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I don't understand how we've not had any notable growth in over a decade, how the national debt has hit levels not seen since the post war era and we've cut ties and isolated ourselves from our closest trading partners, the country as a whole has not had a pay rise in just under a decade and you expect immediate results from one budget, it's absolute bonkers to me.
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You have to look at the global position. No major economy has achieved any notable growth other than a few who really have started from a very low base.
Labour will find the same problem. Talking about growth is one thing, to actually deliver it is another when globally things remain very suppressed.
I can see they have a long term vision based around investment in UK infrastructure and that is a positive, but this is years off. There is nothing to stimulate growth in much of the economy, to help businesses thrive, just more cost.
I think we'll have to get used to confident politicians who see a bigger picture rather than the fear filled populism of recent administrations.
I'd love to see the UK soar ahead, start racking up GDP figures like they did under new.Labour but it isn't gonna happen overnight. I know tories don't like looking back a few years but it's the actions of the Tory party that have forced the hand of this administration and their playing with the cards they were dealt, they're getting the unpopular stuff out of the way at the start of their tenure in the hope to get gravy at the end of it.
It mightbwork, it might nor, but I personally have more trust and faith in this lot economically than the last lot over anything. Time will tell, I'm not blindly tying.myself to their masts but I think I'm more patient than some.
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 22 seconds ago
I think we'll have to get used to confident politicians who see a bigger picture rather than the fear filled populism of recent administrations.
I'd love to see the UK soar ahead, start racking up GDP figures like they did under new.Labour but it isn't gonna happen overnight. I know tories don't like looking back a few years but it's the actions of the Tory party that have forced the hand of this administration and their playing with the cards they were dealt, they're getting the unpopular stuff out of the way at the start of their tenure in the hope to get gravy at the end of it.
It mightbwork, it might nor, but I personally have more trust and faith in this lot economically than the last lot over anything. Time will tell, I'm not blindly tying.myself to their masts but I think I'm more patient than some.
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I totally agree with you on the 'green economy' and we may well have missed the boat (although i Trump cancels a lot of their green investment then maybe there's a gap to fill).
My cynical side says that they are being hard now in the hope their long term plans come good by the next election.
The danger is they will lose a lot of people along the way because they have done what Labour do, and this has not been popular with only one Labour Government in the last 45 years and even they were barely traditional labour.
“Well at least you're enjoying your pretend holiday”
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Who mentioned anything about a ‘holiday’?
Yet more narrow mindedness from the thick cvnt that is FannyAnnie! 🤣🤣
More, from some of the Countries biggest retailers.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp816jrnynyo
There is a real risk that come the Spring budget RR will be reporting on slowed growth (0.1% the last quarter) rising inflation, rising unemployment and interest rates remaining high.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 57 minutes ago
More, from some of the Countries biggest retailers.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp816jrnynyo
There is a real risk that come the Spring budget RR will be reporting on slowed growth (0.1% the last quarter) rising inflation, rising unemployment and interest rates remaining high.
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Amazon have got a cheek including themselves on this FFS, what Bezos has in wealth he lacks in self awareness
Dev, ask yourself, could you get by on a flat 40 hour week on minimum wage at any one of these places? That's before considering zero hours contracts.
The reason companies who contribute to packaging waste shouldn't pay for its disposal and recycling instead of us through council tax?
We'll see. Talk is cheap.
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 57 minutes ago
More, from some of the Countries biggest retailers.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp816jrnynyo
There is a real risk that come the Spring budget RR will be reporting on slowed growth (0.1% the last quarter) rising inflation, rising unemployment and interest rates remaining high.
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Amazon have got a cheek including themselves on this FFS, what Bezos has in wealth he lacks in self awareness
Dev, ask yourself, could you get by on a flat 40 hour week on minimum wage at any one of these places? That's before considering zero hours contracts.
The reason companies who contribute to packaging waste shouldn't pay for its disposal and recycling instead of us through council tax?
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You come at it from the wrong angle.
Running a business is not primarily about making well paying jobs for all your staff. It is about turning a profit because without out that the business ceases and NO ONE has a job, let alone be paid minimal wage.
What we are talking about here is a wide range of retailers. What you are hearing is from the leaders in the field stating that something will have to give.
But you're happy to dismiss these business concerns because Bezos is a billionaire.
You're gripe seems to be with the system, with capitalism. Profit is essential to make a business worth running, but also to be able to grow. If you have no profit, you will not attract investment, you will not secure lending, to can not long term plan or short term manage, or ride out bumps in the road.
There is a reason why the high streets of this country are dying and its not because their profits are too big, its because they operate close to the margins and it does not take too much to push them over.
No one will speak against raising minimum wage/living wage as these are priorities that will benefit the country as a while long term.
BUT when you add a NI raise, alongside a halving of the NI threshold, you are putting additional cost on to additional costs.
This makes it even less likely that these businesses will be able to pay their staff at a higher rate. You could argue that some never would, and that may be true BUT the Government must understand that the tripple whammy of raised costs of employment will have negative consequences. It really is very simple economics.
What i have been critical of is not raising taxes, its not lowering thresholds, or raising min/living living, its not raising more money to drop in to the NHS etc....its the fact that these hits come at once and how this is absolutely damaging to the economy, not stabilising it as their key manifesto promise, but actually creating uncertainty....families will have uncertainty about their jobs and wages, businesses will have uncertainty about the economic future, coupled with the negative messaging, the inevitable result will be a slow down as families and businesses show caution in how they spend and invest money.
You want a better world to live in where the lowest paid amongst us get more, where the NHS, schools, etc are properly funded, then it all comes from a strong, growing economy. Growth has been very difficult to come by for any major economy in the last 10-15 years. They have long term plans in place but what this budget has done in the mean time is anti-growth, and that is why I am dismayed at the layering of these measures
On the matter of recycling.....I agree the producers need to take responsibility and the cost for this and where they do not they are being taxed more.
But what's happening to this money? Is it going to Local Council's to fulfil the waste and recycling operations. No! Council's are getting no extra money.
This is just another money raising exercise under the guise of being green.
When businesses that employ minimum wage staff are as vocal against taxpayer funded in-work benefits as they are about the tax that will effect their bottom line, I'll listen to them, until then the hypocrites can pipe.down.
Dev
So no answer, just a patronising lecture, cool
The point about Amazon was a side issue I raised and not the crux of my general point. Still a valid one though.
High streets are dying because every town and city with the exception of a few, looks exactly the same. The same big brands and supermarkets flooding the market pushing out local retailers. All founded on cheap labour and crap working T&C's. Retailers telling us we need more Tesco's, for example, is a joke when there are already too many.
It's niave to think the money raised and profits made by these big retailers in the BBC article is reinvested into the local economy. As shown at them baulking at taking responsibility for packaging waste and expecting local councils, via you and I, to pick up the bill.
What does a pro business alternative look like out of curiosity?
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 8 minutes ago
On the matter of recycling.....I agree the producers need to take responsibility and the cost for this and where they do not they are being taxed more.
But what's happening to this money? Is it going to Local Council's to fulfil the waste and recycling operations. No! Council's are getting no extra money.
This is just another money raising exercise under the guise of being green.
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Who spent 14 years stripping local councils of funding, to the point of bankruptcy for some?
But 4 months in to the new government and it's Labour's fault
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
When businesses that employ minimum wage staff are as vocal against taxpayer funded in-work benefits as they are about the tax that will effect their bottom line, I'll listen to them, until then the hypocrites can pipe.down.
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so what employers are those...which on the list pay minimun wage and are all their staff on minimum wage or only the entry level ones?
Youre another one getting caught up in some political BS when actually the bottom line is what matters in a business.
You understand this, right, that a business that doesnt hit its bottom line will die. jobs n'all.
I see Superdry are one on the list. Another high street brand teetering on the edge of collapse
You are blinkered and have no ideas about the realities of business and just another one who thinks businesses are just greedy exploiters of staff. No clue !
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comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 1 minute ago
StoP REfeREnciNg tHE LasT goVErnmENt
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My bad, it's 'harping on about the past' (5 months ago)
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 8 minutes ago
On the matter of recycling.....I agree the producers need to take responsibility and the cost for this and where they do not they are being taxed more.
But what's happening to this money? Is it going to Local Council's to fulfil the waste and recycling operations. No! Council's are getting no extra money.
This is just another money raising exercise under the guise of being green.
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Who spent 14 years stripping local councils of funding, to the point of bankruptcy for some?
But 4 months in to the new government and it's Labour's fault
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Never said that whatsoever
I actually agreed with you on the need to tax polluters and the Govt have upped this tax.
You the one that said that the burden to tidy up these polluters was on Councils....My point is that this raised tax isnt going towards that!
Surely anyone who actually cares should be asking "where is this polluters tax going if its not to the Councils who bare the cost of pollution?"
But again, my overall point - wage rises, NI rises, thresholds lowered + packaging tax rises. It's a quad whammy. All worthy but how does doing this in one bang help the economy? the economy which has to pay for everything we want to do as a country?
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
When businesses that employ minimum wage staff are as vocal against taxpayer funded in-work benefits as they are about the tax that will effect their bottom line, I'll listen to them, until then the hypocrites can pipe.down.
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so what employers are those...which on the list pay minimun wage and are all their staff on minimum wage or only the entry level ones?
Youre another one getting caught up in some political BS when actually the bottom line is what matters in a business.
You understand this, right, that a business that doesnt hit its bottom line will die. jobs n'all.
I see Superdry are one on the list. Another high street brand teetering on the edge of collapse
You are blinkered and have no ideas about the realities of business and just another one who thinks businesses are just greedy exploiters of staff. No clue !
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Histrionics aside, you ignore the point.
How would the bottom line be impacted if employees did not receive taxpayer funded in-work benefits? How many businesses would survive without them?
Blinkered ideological bollox if you genuinely believe politics and business exist in separate vacuums.
"I see Superdry are one on the list. Another high street brand teetering on the edge of collapse"
And?
Whose responsibility is this? The people in charge of the company.
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
When businesses that employ minimum wage staff are as vocal against taxpayer funded in-work benefits as they are about the tax that will effect their bottom line, I'll listen to them, until then the hypocrites can pipe.down.
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so what employers are those...which on the list pay minimun wage and are all their staff on minimum wage or only the entry level ones?
Youre another one getting caught up in some political BS when actually the bottom line is what matters in a business.
You understand this, right, that a business that doesnt hit its bottom line will die. jobs n'all.
I see Superdry are one on the list. Another high street brand teetering on the edge of collapse
You are blinkered and have no ideas about the realities of business and just another one who thinks businesses are just greedy exploiters of staff. No clue !
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Histrionics aside, you ignore the point.
How would the bottom line be impacted if employees did not receive taxpayer funded in-work benefits? How many businesses would survive without them?
Blinkered ideological bollox if you genuinely believe politics and business exist in separate vacuums.
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What taxpayer funded in-work benefits are you referring to?
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
"I see Superdry are one on the list. Another high street brand teetering on the edge of collapse"
And?
Whose responsibility is this? The people in charge of the company.
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I know you are not on these shores but if you walked down a high street you will see a lot of vacant shops. A lot of recognisable names gone, and that's just the big ones. Small independents have it even tougher.
This isnt a crisis of retailers doing a shiiit job, its a function of the very difficult trading conditions where where the internet and cheap imports, the vagaries of fashion and many other factors like inflation and interest rates have made it a very difficult environment to succeed in.
And it just goes to show that running a business is not a money printing exercise. It is often a very difficult and finely balanced exercise where hitting the bottom line is hard earned and rarely certain.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 8 minutes ago
On the matter of recycling.....I agree the producers need to take responsibility and the cost for this and where they do not they are being taxed more.
But what's happening to this money? Is it going to Local Council's to fulfil the waste and recycling operations. No! Council's are getting no extra money.
This is just another money raising exercise under the guise of being green.
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Who spent 14 years stripping local councils of funding, to the point of bankruptcy for some?
But 4 months in to the new government and it's Labour's fault
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Never said that whatsoever
I actually agreed with you on the need to tax polluters and the Govt have upped this tax.
You the one that said that the burden to tidy up these polluters was on Councils....My point is that this raised tax isnt going towards that!
Surely anyone who actually cares should be asking "where is this polluters tax going if its not to the Councils who bare the cost of pollution?"
But again, my overall point - wage rises, NI rises, thresholds lowered + packaging tax rises. It's a quad whammy. All worthy but how does doing this in one bang help the economy? the economy which has to pay for everything we want to do as a country?
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The point of the tax is to incentivise business to produce and use less plastic packaging and to recycle their own plastic waste not keep producing more. This will reduce the recycling costs on local councils.
As for employer NI. Business could measure the growth of not having 1/10th of the population/customer base/employee pool on an NHS waiting list or living in poverty (18%).
You didn't think there would be a reckoning after 14 years of public service cuts wealth inequality, Brexit and the impact of Liz Truss' short tenure?
Schools and public buildings need repairing, 7m NHS waiting list, backlogs in the justice system that undermine it, re funding local councils after years of cuts, over crowded prisons etc etc.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
When businesses that employ minimum wage staff are as vocal against taxpayer funded in-work benefits as they are about the tax that will effect their bottom line, I'll listen to them, until then the hypocrites can pipe.down.
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so what employers are those...which on the list pay minimun wage and are all their staff on minimum wage or only the entry level ones?
Youre another one getting caught up in some political BS when actually the bottom line is what matters in a business.
You understand this, right, that a business that doesnt hit its bottom line will die. jobs n'all.
I see Superdry are one on the list. Another high street brand teetering on the edge of collapse
You are blinkered and have no ideas about the realities of business and just another one who thinks businesses are just greedy exploiters of staff. No clue !
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Histrionics aside, you ignore the point.
How would the bottom line be impacted if employees did not receive taxpayer funded in-work benefits? How many businesses would survive without them?
Blinkered ideological bollox if you genuinely believe politics and business exist in separate vacuums.
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What taxpayer funded in-work benefits are you referring to?
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UC
How much growth could've been injected into the economy with the monies wasted or defrauded in schemes like Rwanda or the PPE scandal?
Does cause and effect not extend to economics?
It's a one way street don't you know.
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 7 minutes ago
It's a one way street don't you know.
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With Tesco Express, charity shop, betting shop, empty shop, Sainsburys local, empty shop, Spoons.
Rinse and repeat in every high street is the winning formula for growth apparently.
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posted on 18/11/24
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 1 day, 3 hours ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 11 hours, 8 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 hours, 2 minutes ago
Economic lectures from a conservative fan that gave us the growth monsters of Brexit and Liz Truss. Sit down.
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Fanny clearly has no idea how it works. I was enlightening him.
That is not to say I agree with every Tory economic policy, so stop harping back to what the last lot did. It's what this lot are doing the matters now.
I simply don't understand how they preach growth and offer nothing to achieve it. In fact the opposite
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I don't understand how we've not had any notable growth in over a decade, how the national debt has hit levels not seen since the post war era and we've cut ties and isolated ourselves from our closest trading partners, the country as a whole has not had a pay rise in just under a decade and you expect immediate results from one budget, it's absolute bonkers to me.
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You have to look at the global position. No major economy has achieved any notable growth other than a few who really have started from a very low base.
Labour will find the same problem. Talking about growth is one thing, to actually deliver it is another when globally things remain very suppressed.
I can see they have a long term vision based around investment in UK infrastructure and that is a positive, but this is years off. There is nothing to stimulate growth in much of the economy, to help businesses thrive, just more cost.
posted on 18/11/24
I think we'll have to get used to confident politicians who see a bigger picture rather than the fear filled populism of recent administrations.
I'd love to see the UK soar ahead, start racking up GDP figures like they did under new.Labour but it isn't gonna happen overnight. I know tories don't like looking back a few years but it's the actions of the Tory party that have forced the hand of this administration and their playing with the cards they were dealt, they're getting the unpopular stuff out of the way at the start of their tenure in the hope to get gravy at the end of it.
It mightbwork, it might nor, but I personally have more trust and faith in this lot economically than the last lot over anything. Time will tell, I'm not blindly tying.myself to their masts but I think I'm more patient than some.
posted on 18/11/24
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 22 seconds ago
I think we'll have to get used to confident politicians who see a bigger picture rather than the fear filled populism of recent administrations.
I'd love to see the UK soar ahead, start racking up GDP figures like they did under new.Labour but it isn't gonna happen overnight. I know tories don't like looking back a few years but it's the actions of the Tory party that have forced the hand of this administration and their playing with the cards they were dealt, they're getting the unpopular stuff out of the way at the start of their tenure in the hope to get gravy at the end of it.
It mightbwork, it might nor, but I personally have more trust and faith in this lot economically than the last lot over anything. Time will tell, I'm not blindly tying.myself to their masts but I think I'm more patient than some.
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I totally agree with you on the 'green economy' and we may well have missed the boat (although i Trump cancels a lot of their green investment then maybe there's a gap to fill).
My cynical side says that they are being hard now in the hope their long term plans come good by the next election.
The danger is they will lose a lot of people along the way because they have done what Labour do, and this has not been popular with only one Labour Government in the last 45 years and even they were barely traditional labour.
posted on 18/11/24
“Well at least you're enjoying your pretend holiday”
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Who mentioned anything about a ‘holiday’?
Yet more narrow mindedness from the thick cvnt that is FannyAnnie! 🤣🤣
posted on 19/11/24
More, from some of the Countries biggest retailers.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp816jrnynyo
There is a real risk that come the Spring budget RR will be reporting on slowed growth (0.1% the last quarter) rising inflation, rising unemployment and interest rates remaining high.
posted on 19/11/24
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 57 minutes ago
More, from some of the Countries biggest retailers.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp816jrnynyo
There is a real risk that come the Spring budget RR will be reporting on slowed growth (0.1% the last quarter) rising inflation, rising unemployment and interest rates remaining high.
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Amazon have got a cheek including themselves on this FFS, what Bezos has in wealth he lacks in self awareness
Dev, ask yourself, could you get by on a flat 40 hour week on minimum wage at any one of these places? That's before considering zero hours contracts.
The reason companies who contribute to packaging waste shouldn't pay for its disposal and recycling instead of us through council tax?
posted on 19/11/24
We'll see. Talk is cheap.
posted on 19/11/24
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 57 minutes ago
More, from some of the Countries biggest retailers.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp816jrnynyo
There is a real risk that come the Spring budget RR will be reporting on slowed growth (0.1% the last quarter) rising inflation, rising unemployment and interest rates remaining high.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Amazon have got a cheek including themselves on this FFS, what Bezos has in wealth he lacks in self awareness
Dev, ask yourself, could you get by on a flat 40 hour week on minimum wage at any one of these places? That's before considering zero hours contracts.
The reason companies who contribute to packaging waste shouldn't pay for its disposal and recycling instead of us through council tax?
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You come at it from the wrong angle.
Running a business is not primarily about making well paying jobs for all your staff. It is about turning a profit because without out that the business ceases and NO ONE has a job, let alone be paid minimal wage.
What we are talking about here is a wide range of retailers. What you are hearing is from the leaders in the field stating that something will have to give.
But you're happy to dismiss these business concerns because Bezos is a billionaire.
You're gripe seems to be with the system, with capitalism. Profit is essential to make a business worth running, but also to be able to grow. If you have no profit, you will not attract investment, you will not secure lending, to can not long term plan or short term manage, or ride out bumps in the road.
There is a reason why the high streets of this country are dying and its not because their profits are too big, its because they operate close to the margins and it does not take too much to push them over.
No one will speak against raising minimum wage/living wage as these are priorities that will benefit the country as a while long term.
BUT when you add a NI raise, alongside a halving of the NI threshold, you are putting additional cost on to additional costs.
This makes it even less likely that these businesses will be able to pay their staff at a higher rate. You could argue that some never would, and that may be true BUT the Government must understand that the tripple whammy of raised costs of employment will have negative consequences. It really is very simple economics.
What i have been critical of is not raising taxes, its not lowering thresholds, or raising min/living living, its not raising more money to drop in to the NHS etc....its the fact that these hits come at once and how this is absolutely damaging to the economy, not stabilising it as their key manifesto promise, but actually creating uncertainty....families will have uncertainty about their jobs and wages, businesses will have uncertainty about the economic future, coupled with the negative messaging, the inevitable result will be a slow down as families and businesses show caution in how they spend and invest money.
You want a better world to live in where the lowest paid amongst us get more, where the NHS, schools, etc are properly funded, then it all comes from a strong, growing economy. Growth has been very difficult to come by for any major economy in the last 10-15 years. They have long term plans in place but what this budget has done in the mean time is anti-growth, and that is why I am dismayed at the layering of these measures
posted on 19/11/24
On the matter of recycling.....I agree the producers need to take responsibility and the cost for this and where they do not they are being taxed more.
But what's happening to this money? Is it going to Local Council's to fulfil the waste and recycling operations. No! Council's are getting no extra money.
This is just another money raising exercise under the guise of being green.
posted on 19/11/24
When businesses that employ minimum wage staff are as vocal against taxpayer funded in-work benefits as they are about the tax that will effect their bottom line, I'll listen to them, until then the hypocrites can pipe.down.
posted on 19/11/24
Dev
So no answer, just a patronising lecture, cool
The point about Amazon was a side issue I raised and not the crux of my general point. Still a valid one though.
High streets are dying because every town and city with the exception of a few, looks exactly the same. The same big brands and supermarkets flooding the market pushing out local retailers. All founded on cheap labour and crap working T&C's. Retailers telling us we need more Tesco's, for example, is a joke when there are already too many.
It's niave to think the money raised and profits made by these big retailers in the BBC article is reinvested into the local economy. As shown at them baulking at taking responsibility for packaging waste and expecting local councils, via you and I, to pick up the bill.
What does a pro business alternative look like out of curiosity?
posted on 19/11/24
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 8 minutes ago
On the matter of recycling.....I agree the producers need to take responsibility and the cost for this and where they do not they are being taxed more.
But what's happening to this money? Is it going to Local Council's to fulfil the waste and recycling operations. No! Council's are getting no extra money.
This is just another money raising exercise under the guise of being green.
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Who spent 14 years stripping local councils of funding, to the point of bankruptcy for some?
But 4 months in to the new government and it's Labour's fault
posted on 19/11/24
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
When businesses that employ minimum wage staff are as vocal against taxpayer funded in-work benefits as they are about the tax that will effect their bottom line, I'll listen to them, until then the hypocrites can pipe.down.
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so what employers are those...which on the list pay minimun wage and are all their staff on minimum wage or only the entry level ones?
Youre another one getting caught up in some political BS when actually the bottom line is what matters in a business.
You understand this, right, that a business that doesnt hit its bottom line will die. jobs n'all.
I see Superdry are one on the list. Another high street brand teetering on the edge of collapse
You are blinkered and have no ideas about the realities of business and just another one who thinks businesses are just greedy exploiters of staff. No clue !
posted on 19/11/24
StoP REfeREnciNg tHE LasT goVErnmENt
posted on 19/11/24
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 1 minute ago
StoP REfeREnciNg tHE LasT goVErnmENt
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My bad, it's 'harping on about the past' (5 months ago)
posted on 19/11/24
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 8 minutes ago
On the matter of recycling.....I agree the producers need to take responsibility and the cost for this and where they do not they are being taxed more.
But what's happening to this money? Is it going to Local Council's to fulfil the waste and recycling operations. No! Council's are getting no extra money.
This is just another money raising exercise under the guise of being green.
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Who spent 14 years stripping local councils of funding, to the point of bankruptcy for some?
But 4 months in to the new government and it's Labour's fault
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Never said that whatsoever
I actually agreed with you on the need to tax polluters and the Govt have upped this tax.
You the one that said that the burden to tidy up these polluters was on Councils....My point is that this raised tax isnt going towards that!
Surely anyone who actually cares should be asking "where is this polluters tax going if its not to the Councils who bare the cost of pollution?"
But again, my overall point - wage rises, NI rises, thresholds lowered + packaging tax rises. It's a quad whammy. All worthy but how does doing this in one bang help the economy? the economy which has to pay for everything we want to do as a country?
posted on 19/11/24
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
When businesses that employ minimum wage staff are as vocal against taxpayer funded in-work benefits as they are about the tax that will effect their bottom line, I'll listen to them, until then the hypocrites can pipe.down.
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so what employers are those...which on the list pay minimun wage and are all their staff on minimum wage or only the entry level ones?
Youre another one getting caught up in some political BS when actually the bottom line is what matters in a business.
You understand this, right, that a business that doesnt hit its bottom line will die. jobs n'all.
I see Superdry are one on the list. Another high street brand teetering on the edge of collapse
You are blinkered and have no ideas about the realities of business and just another one who thinks businesses are just greedy exploiters of staff. No clue !
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Histrionics aside, you ignore the point.
How would the bottom line be impacted if employees did not receive taxpayer funded in-work benefits? How many businesses would survive without them?
Blinkered ideological bollox if you genuinely believe politics and business exist in separate vacuums.
posted on 19/11/24
"I see Superdry are one on the list. Another high street brand teetering on the edge of collapse"
And?
Whose responsibility is this? The people in charge of the company.
posted on 19/11/24
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
When businesses that employ minimum wage staff are as vocal against taxpayer funded in-work benefits as they are about the tax that will effect their bottom line, I'll listen to them, until then the hypocrites can pipe.down.
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so what employers are those...which on the list pay minimun wage and are all their staff on minimum wage or only the entry level ones?
Youre another one getting caught up in some political BS when actually the bottom line is what matters in a business.
You understand this, right, that a business that doesnt hit its bottom line will die. jobs n'all.
I see Superdry are one on the list. Another high street brand teetering on the edge of collapse
You are blinkered and have no ideas about the realities of business and just another one who thinks businesses are just greedy exploiters of staff. No clue !
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Histrionics aside, you ignore the point.
How would the bottom line be impacted if employees did not receive taxpayer funded in-work benefits? How many businesses would survive without them?
Blinkered ideological bollox if you genuinely believe politics and business exist in separate vacuums.
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What taxpayer funded in-work benefits are you referring to?
posted on 19/11/24
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
"I see Superdry are one on the list. Another high street brand teetering on the edge of collapse"
And?
Whose responsibility is this? The people in charge of the company.
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I know you are not on these shores but if you walked down a high street you will see a lot of vacant shops. A lot of recognisable names gone, and that's just the big ones. Small independents have it even tougher.
This isnt a crisis of retailers doing a shiiit job, its a function of the very difficult trading conditions where where the internet and cheap imports, the vagaries of fashion and many other factors like inflation and interest rates have made it a very difficult environment to succeed in.
And it just goes to show that running a business is not a money printing exercise. It is often a very difficult and finely balanced exercise where hitting the bottom line is hard earned and rarely certain.
posted on 19/11/24
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 8 minutes ago
On the matter of recycling.....I agree the producers need to take responsibility and the cost for this and where they do not they are being taxed more.
But what's happening to this money? Is it going to Local Council's to fulfil the waste and recycling operations. No! Council's are getting no extra money.
This is just another money raising exercise under the guise of being green.
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Who spent 14 years stripping local councils of funding, to the point of bankruptcy for some?
But 4 months in to the new government and it's Labour's fault
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Never said that whatsoever
I actually agreed with you on the need to tax polluters and the Govt have upped this tax.
You the one that said that the burden to tidy up these polluters was on Councils....My point is that this raised tax isnt going towards that!
Surely anyone who actually cares should be asking "where is this polluters tax going if its not to the Councils who bare the cost of pollution?"
But again, my overall point - wage rises, NI rises, thresholds lowered + packaging tax rises. It's a quad whammy. All worthy but how does doing this in one bang help the economy? the economy which has to pay for everything we want to do as a country?
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The point of the tax is to incentivise business to produce and use less plastic packaging and to recycle their own plastic waste not keep producing more. This will reduce the recycling costs on local councils.
As for employer NI. Business could measure the growth of not having 1/10th of the population/customer base/employee pool on an NHS waiting list or living in poverty (18%).
You didn't think there would be a reckoning after 14 years of public service cuts wealth inequality, Brexit and the impact of Liz Truss' short tenure?
Schools and public buildings need repairing, 7m NHS waiting list, backlogs in the justice system that undermine it, re funding local councils after years of cuts, over crowded prisons etc etc.
posted on 19/11/24
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
When businesses that employ minimum wage staff are as vocal against taxpayer funded in-work benefits as they are about the tax that will effect their bottom line, I'll listen to them, until then the hypocrites can pipe.down.
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so what employers are those...which on the list pay minimun wage and are all their staff on minimum wage or only the entry level ones?
Youre another one getting caught up in some political BS when actually the bottom line is what matters in a business.
You understand this, right, that a business that doesnt hit its bottom line will die. jobs n'all.
I see Superdry are one on the list. Another high street brand teetering on the edge of collapse
You are blinkered and have no ideas about the realities of business and just another one who thinks businesses are just greedy exploiters of staff. No clue !
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Histrionics aside, you ignore the point.
How would the bottom line be impacted if employees did not receive taxpayer funded in-work benefits? How many businesses would survive without them?
Blinkered ideological bollox if you genuinely believe politics and business exist in separate vacuums.
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What taxpayer funded in-work benefits are you referring to?
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UC
posted on 19/11/24
How much growth could've been injected into the economy with the monies wasted or defrauded in schemes like Rwanda or the PPE scandal?
Does cause and effect not extend to economics?
posted on 19/11/24
It's a one way street don't you know.
posted on 19/11/24
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 7 minutes ago
It's a one way street don't you know.
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With Tesco Express, charity shop, betting shop, empty shop, Sainsburys local, empty shop, Spoons.
Rinse and repeat in every high street is the winning formula for growth apparently.
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