posted 10 hours, 46 minutes ago
‘ Crocodile tears’ 🤣…the only one crying on here is you! You brought up the subject of racism and now you’ve been put in your place because the party of change and ethics are allowing racists in!
You just sit there in that caravilla of yours and blubber away quietly! Now shush! 🤫
posted 10 hours, 43 minutes ago
comment by H von H. (U16981)
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posted 8 hours, 40 minutes ago
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posted 2 hours, 15 minutes ago
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comment by RED666…Always Right! 🇬🇧 (U6562)
posted 8 minutes ago
‘ It was all over the press & media in the run up tp the election’
Ok lets do another Mr high and mighty!
What about Diane Abbot’s readmittance to the labour party after her antisemitism! Considering it was all over the press and media in the run to the election you hadn’t realised she’s one of the 6! 🤔
‘Labour leader Keir Starmer said Ms Abbott’s suspension showed “how far the Labour party has changed,” adding that the party has “zero tolerance” of antisemitism.’
Yes the party of change let her back in! How does that sit with you?
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You've picked out the woman that's experienced more racism in Parliament and the press than any other MP.
This the same Diane Abbot the Tory donor said should be shot. I'll take this as you agreeing with Hester's racist comment, after all you.voted Tory after the fact with a clear conscience.
You jumped to the defence of RW racists yesterday, the truth about Redinhisbedsit is all coming out now. What a piece of shiite.
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Well you’d think for someone who’s ‘experienced more racism in Parliament and the press than any other MP’, would know better! Don’t ya think?
Are you excusing her comments and the Labour party for allowing her back in based on that? Wow!
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So Abbot saying different races experience different types of prejudice is anti semitic but you've no problem with a Tory donor saying a black woman should be shot?
Why the different standard for Labour and not the same standard for the party you voted for you hypocrite?
You're all over the place you racist mess
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What she said was wrong was it not?
Don’t forget this is Labour the party of change!
The party of ‘Zero tolerance’ 🤣.. it’s like, ok guys you’ve been racist do a course on line and we’ll welcome you back! 🤣
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Correct, as acknowledged by Abbot herself, Starmer and the Labour party.
Frank Hester doubled down on his comments and gave your Tory party more money, which they quickly accepted.
Do you see the huge distinction in your desperate false equivalence?
If Labour is the party of zero tolerance does that make the party you voted for the party that welcomes racists, is this what persuaded you to vote for them?
You're not in a place to pontificate about racism you hypocrite, you're just too thick to realise
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Stop hiding behind you ‘false equivalence’ you pusssy!
Racism is racism whichever way you dress it up.
The zero tolerance party that allows racists back into the party! Rupa Huq another Labour MP who had to apologise over racist comment, suspended and welcomed back with open arms after completing a racism course!
Dawn Butler's sharing a racist tweet after Kemi Badenoch became Tory leader, went unpunished yeah the party of zero tolerance!
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Non of this justifies you voting for a party funded by a racist you fackin hypocrite
Funny how you voted for the party funded by a racist on July 4th and then suddenybstarted giving a shiite about racism on July 5th. Get a dictionary and look up the word disingenuous
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I'm not a tory, I'm not a racist, I'm just a middle of the road realist ,who has noticed over the years the pure hypocrisy and jealousy emanating from the Labour Party, pretending to care for the working classes ,but only caring about themselves, and the brainwashing of gullible people ,for their own political ends !
I'm not disingenuous either !
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Hypocrisy in politics isn't anything new or shocking. I don't understand what Labour are supposedly jealous of though, strange accusation.
How many of the current cabinet are from working class backgrounds?
As for talk of brainwashing, come on now. This is just emotive tabloid fodder you'd expect from the gas lighting RW press in the UK.
What irritates me is the country is the way it is down to the last 14 years. The Tories established new lows in political norms and standards of behaviour. Previously any one of the innumerate scandals would've led to resignations and consequences. The Tories did away with all that in defending sexualassault, bullying, law breaking, corruption, sleaze, racist gaslighting & othering.
The consequences of the last 14 years are going to be felt for a long time. Actions have consequences.
posted 10 hours, 42 minutes ago
comment by RED666…Always Right! 🇬🇧 (U6562)
posted 2 minutes ago
‘ Crocodile tears’ 🤣…the only one crying on here is you! You brought up the subject of racism and now you’ve been put in your place because the party of change and ethics are allowing racists in!
You just sit there in that caravilla of yours and blubber away quietly! Now shush! 🤫
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Strange way of saying 'I did'
posted 10 hours, 15 minutes ago
comment by Insufferable-Piffle (U4388)
posted 39 minutes ago
H, quick question about what you said there, no comment or disagreement just interest
"but only caring about themselves, and the brainwashing of gullible people" dont you feel that this applies to all political parties for the most past Conservative included?
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Piff, I agree entirely ,of course all political parties are looking after their own interests first, for their own ends, what I don't accept, is the hypocrisy of these Holier than thou people like fanniered, who cannot see that this Labour party is no different to any other !
OK mate
posted 9 hours, 58 minutes ago
comment by H von H. (U16981)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Insufferable-Piffle (U4388)
posted 39 minutes ago
H, quick question about what you said there, no comment or disagreement just interest
"but only caring about themselves, and the brainwashing of gullible people" dont you feel that this applies to all political parties for the most past Conservative included?
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Piff, I agree entirely ,of course all political parties are looking after their own interests first, for their own ends, what I don't accept, is the hypocrisy of these Holier than thou people like fanniered, who cannot see that this Labour party is no different to any other !
OK mate
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The old they're all the same narrative trotted out by RW tabloids as soon as they knew their client Tories were never winning the election.
Who set the current low standards we see in politics?
'Holier than thou'
Haven't you got some other people to Dox on an anonymous forum? You could find Red's bedsit and give the insecure mess a cuddle, he looks like he needs one.
posted 9 hours, 56 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 20 hours, 17 minutes ago
I seriously give up.
Get the country back on its feet after years and years of mismanagement and Brexit and you still dismiss the infrastructure investment and harp on about sweeties for business, honestly mate it's a 12 month budget, calm down.
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Please do give up Hector because you clearly lack the ability to read and understand, and you seem as blinkered as fannnie, with an equal lack of understanding and knowledge of running a business and economics in general!
posted 9 hours, 56 minutes ago
Old H is a hypocrite.
*see OP.
posted 9 hours, 46 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 20 hours, 17 minutes ago
I seriously give up.
Get the country back on its feet after years and years of mismanagement and Brexit and you still dismiss the infrastructure investment and harp on about sweeties for business, honestly mate it's a 12 month budget, calm down.
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Please do give up Hector because you clearly lack the ability to read and understand, and you seem as blinkered as fannnie, with an equal lack of understanding and knowledge of running a business and economics in general!
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Tell us the merits you could see in Truss' disastrous budget?
Why is Covid, Ukraine and Gaza used to excuse the Tories disastrous handling of the economy (not Brexit or the actual politicians) but not mentioned by you when discussing the Labour budget?
If you're an expert on business or the economy how long will the negative effects of Brexit continue and will we ever see the positives we were promised?
The same party that enacted Brexit apparently now gives a shiite about SME's and Farmers, two areas affected most by the Brexit. Yeah anyone want to buy a bridge?
posted 9 hours, 41 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 20 hours, 17 minutes ago
I seriously give up.
Get the country back on its feet after years and years of mismanagement and Brexit and you still dismiss the infrastructure investment and harp on about sweeties for business, honestly mate it's a 12 month budget, calm down.
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Please do give up Hector because you clearly lack the ability to read and understand, and you seem as blinkered as fannnie, with an equal lack of understanding and knowledge of running a business and economics in general!
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You want hand outs, I get it, business will collapse because businesses will have to add a few quid to the tax bill I get it, business doesn't owe the taxpayer for saving their businesses, I get it.
It's f***ing nonsense
posted 9 hours, 26 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 20 hours, 17 minutes ago
I seriously give up.
Get the country back on its feet after years and years of mismanagement and Brexit and you still dismiss the infrastructure investment and harp on about sweeties for business, honestly mate it's a 12 month budget, calm down.
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Please do give up Hector because you clearly lack the ability to read and understand, and you seem as blinkered as fannnie, with an equal lack of understanding and knowledge of running a business and economics in general!
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You want hand outs, I get it, business will collapse because businesses will have to add a few quid to the tax bill I get it, business doesn't owe the taxpayer for saving their businesses, I get it.
It's f***ing nonsense
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Dev's obviously happy not being able to get a doctors appt or waiting in a corridor/ambulance in A&E for hours as long as his business doesn't have to pay a bit extra in tax.
If someone steals from his business he's fine with it taking years to get to the courts, if he's lucky it gets that far.
He's happy for his employees and.himself.to drive tl work every morning on potholed roads, he can afford to get it fixed and doesn't give a shiite of his employees can.
Dev's happy for his local council to go bankrupt or for services he doesn't use, but the pensioners he supposedly cares about do, to close.
Dev is happy for there to be a two tier social care sector where you're fine if you can afford it, or have assets to rely on.
Dev's happy to prop up an ageing, decreasing population and a decreasing birth rate on a diminished workforce being expected to shoulder the increasing burden, as long as he doesn't.
Not so fun fact for Dev. When the welfare state was introduced, after the war, there were 20 workers for 1 pensioner. That rate in 2024 is 3 workers for 1 pensioner and expected to decrease to 2/1 by 2050.
posted 9 hours, 18 minutes ago
Like a child stamping his feet in tantrum because there's no sweeties for him in the latest budget and it will bring about the apocalypse....until the next budget.
Sometimes choices need to be made, debts have to be paid, the era of cheap money is over, we wasted the opportunity to borrow to invest and we cannot go on borrowing to pay for day to day.
posted 8 hours, 56 minutes ago
Not so fun fact for Dev. When the welfare state was introduced, after the war, there were 20 workers for 1 pensioner. That rate in 2024 is 3 workers for 1 pensioner and expected to decrease to 2/1 by 2050.
Just to add those two workers are facing increasing costs of living comparative to the pensioners they are paying for. Increasingly unable to get on the housing ladder, and facing higher rents, higher utility bills, higher taxes (under the Tories), higher food bills etc.
Meanwhile CEO pay has increased exponentially, so has MP's pay. The one pensioner those two workers are paying for sees their pension increase every year at the rate of inflation, due to the triple lock. But we should be outraged at taking a £300 benefit away from those who don't need it.
But what do I know I'm a lamen and not a captain of industry like Divvy Dev
posted 8 hours, 50 minutes ago
*one pensioner those three workers are paying for
posted 8 hours, 22 minutes ago
Your ignorance is staggering, evidenced by your reference to sweeties and handouts.
It is the Government duty to create a economic environment where businesses can flourish and deliver growth. 0.5% growth puts about £15bn into the economy and about 40% of that will come in as tax revenue.
It is imperative that growth is achieved otherwsie the Govts plans for spending will not be affordable, unless they tax more. Labour are relying on growth otherwise every budget will be tax rise upon tax rise.
What they have done to afford their public spending promises is tax in a way that harms business, harms growth and will ultimate cost them lost tax revenues from stalling growth. Already seen Q3 growth at 0.1%, after 0.6% and 0.7% in Q1 and 2. From an economy nervous about what the new Govt will do and their fears will have been realised in the budget. So expectations of further growth will be low. Sentiments in business and in households will be cautious, three will be belt tightening.
If you think nurturing an economy into better growth is sweeties then you're a fool. If you think hitting business big time taxes rises will help growth, you're a fool. And if you think adding cost to business so they will invest less in staff and less in pay rises is a good thing to do when growth is what is needed, then you are also a fool. These are not sweeties. this is part of the difficult balance needed affording public spending while delivering growth. The balance is all completely skewed towards spending at the expense of growth and that will hit businesses, it will hit working people and it will hit the cost of living.
posted 8 hours, 14 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 33 minutes ago
Not so fun fact for Dev. When the welfare state was introduced, after the war, there were 20 workers for 1 pensioner. That rate in 2024 is 3 workers for 1 pensioner and expected to decrease to 2/1 by 2050.
Just to add those two workers are facing increasing costs of living comparative to the pensioners they are paying for. Increasingly unable to get on the housing ladder, and facing higher rents, higher utility bills, higher taxes (under the Tories), higher food bills etc.
Meanwhile CEO pay has increased exponentially, so has MP's pay. The one pensioner those two workers are paying for sees their pension increase every year at the rate of inflation, due to the triple lock. But we should be outraged at taking a £300 benefit away from those who don't need it.
But what do I know I'm a lamen and not a captain of industry like Divvy Dev
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Labour seemed outraged at the Tory suggestion of means testing the WFP. They produced their own research showing it would cost the lives of 3000 - 4000 freezing pensioners.
I didnt know Kier's "tough decisions" included letting the bodies pile up. He seems not so different from Boris now that he's in the hot seat.
BTW....what did the budget do to hit CEOs pay? Tell me. This deplorable injustice been hit hard by Labour has it? They have the broadest shoulders, so they will have been it hard, right?
I would like you to answer this question. Don't run away and deflect...but but but the Tories . Answer it, and if the answer is "nothing", then why arent you critical of your own party?
posted 8 hours, 5 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 33 minutes ago
Not so fun fact for Dev. When the welfare state was introduced, after the war, there were 20 workers for 1 pensioner. That rate in 2024 is 3 workers for 1 pensioner and expected to decrease to 2/1 by 2050.
Just to add those two workers are facing increasing costs of living comparative to the pensioners they are paying for. Increasingly unable to get on the housing ladder, and facing higher rents, higher utility bills, higher taxes (under the Tories), higher food bills etc.
Meanwhile CEO pay has increased exponentially, so has MP's pay. The one pensioner those two workers are paying for sees their pension increase every year at the rate of inflation, due to the triple lock. But we should be outraged at taking a £300 benefit away from those who don't need it.
But what do I know I'm a lamen and not a captain of industry like Divvy Dev
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Labour seemed outraged at the Tory suggestion of means testing the WFP. They produced their own research showing it would cost the lives of 3000 - 4000 freezing pensioners.
I didnt know Kier's "tough decisions" included letting the bodies pile up. He seems not so different from Boris now that he's in the hot seat.
BTW....what did the budget do to hit CEOs pay? Tell me. This deplorable injustice been hit hard by Labour has it? They have the broadest shoulders, so they will have been it hard, right?
I would like you to answer this question. Don't run away and deflect...but but but the Tories. Answer it, and if the answer is "nothing", then why arent you critical of your own party?
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I asked you to explain the supposed benefits of Liz Truss' disastrous budget, no answer
I asked you why you cite world events as the cause of mishandling the economy for the Tories but dont factor in the same ongoing events with the Labour budget. No answer.
I asked why you don't also cite Brexit or the personal responsibility of every PM/Chancellor since Cameron? No answer.
"I would like you to answer this question. Don't run away and deflect"
Note you didn't address a single point in both of my posts re the rate of workers to pensioners and the increase costs of living placed on those workers. Instead you replied with emotive tabloid shiite and references to Boris Johnson.
posted 7 hours, 57 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 22 minutes ago
Your ignorance is staggering, evidenced by your reference to sweeties and handouts.
It is the Government duty to create a economic environment where businesses can flourish and deliver growth. 0.5% growth puts about £15bn into the economy and about 40% of that will come in as tax revenue.
It is imperative that growth is achieved otherwsie the Govts plans for spending will not be affordable, unless they tax more. Labour are relying on growth otherwise every budget will be tax rise upon tax rise.
What they have done to afford their public spending promises is tax in a way that harms business, harms growth and will ultimate cost them lost tax revenues from stalling growth. Already seen Q3 growth at 0.1%, after 0.6% and 0.7% in Q1 and 2. From an economy nervous about what the new Govt will do and their fears will have been realised in the budget. So expectations of further growth will be low. Sentiments in business and in households will be cautious, three will be belt tightening.
If you think nurturing an economy into better growth is sweeties then you're a fool. If you think hitting business big time taxes rises will help growth, you're a fool. And if you think adding cost to business so they will invest less in staff and less in pay rises is a good thing to do when growth is what is needed, then you are also a fool. These are not sweeties. this is part of the difficult balance needed affording public spending while delivering growth. The balance is all completely skewed towards spending at the expense of growth and that will hit businesses, it will hit working people and it will hit the cost of living.
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We've heard all this before though over the last 14 years. Tax cuts in the premise of jam tomorrow that never materialises leading to workers having the suffer the consequences or shoulder an increasing burden.
Fool me once.........
posted 7 hours, 21 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 22 minutes ago
Your ignorance is staggering, evidenced by your reference to sweeties and handouts.
It is the Government duty to create a economic environment where businesses can flourish and deliver growth. 0.5% growth puts about £15bn into the economy and about 40% of that will come in as tax revenue.
It is imperative that growth is achieved otherwsie the Govts plans for spending will not be affordable, unless they tax more. Labour are relying on growth otherwise every budget will be tax rise upon tax rise.
What they have done to afford their public spending promises is tax in a way that harms business, harms growth and will ultimate cost them lost tax revenues from stalling growth. Already seen Q3 growth at 0.1%, after 0.6% and 0.7% in Q1 and 2. From an economy nervous about what the new Govt will do and their fears will have been realised in the budget. So expectations of further growth will be low. Sentiments in business and in households will be cautious, three will be belt tightening.
If you think nurturing an economy into better growth is sweeties then you're a fool. If you think hitting business big time taxes rises will help growth, you're a fool. And if you think adding cost to business so they will invest less in staff and less in pay rises is a good thing to do when growth is what is needed, then you are also a fool. These are not sweeties. this is part of the difficult balance needed affording public spending while delivering growth. The balance is all completely skewed towards spending at the expense of growth and that will hit businesses, it will hit working people and it will hit the cost of living.
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We've heard all this before though over the last 14 years. Tax cuts in the premise of jam tomorrow that never materialises leading to workers having the suffer the consequences or shoulder an increasing burden.
Fool me once.........
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I'm empathic that he's losing sleep over no sweeties in the budget but roll on the eventual collapse of the economy because of a few extra pounds are added to the scrounging, destitute, hanging on by their finger nails business tax bill.
posted 7 hours, 2 minutes ago
Hec
Divvy Dev being the successful businessman probably has private healthcare so fack the NHS, and 10% of the population waiting for treatment, why should he pay a bit extra.
Its just the 'I'm alright jack' gatekeeping that's been fomented over thr last 14 years.
posted 6 hours, 39 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 hour ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 33 minutes ago
Not so fun fact for Dev. When the welfare state was introduced, after the war, there were 20 workers for 1 pensioner. That rate in 2024 is 3 workers for 1 pensioner and expected to decrease to 2/1 by 2050.
Just to add those two workers are facing increasing costs of living comparative to the pensioners they are paying for. Increasingly unable to get on the housing ladder, and facing higher rents, higher utility bills, higher taxes (under the Tories), higher food bills etc.
Meanwhile CEO pay has increased exponentially, so has MP's pay. The one pensioner those two workers are paying for sees their pension increase every year at the rate of inflation, due to the triple lock. But we should be outraged at taking a £300 benefit away from those who don't need it.
But what do I know I'm a lamen and not a captain of industry like Divvy Dev
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Labour seemed outraged at the Tory suggestion of means testing the WFP. They produced their own research showing it would cost the lives of 3000 - 4000 freezing pensioners.
I didnt know Kier's "tough decisions" included letting the bodies pile up. He seems not so different from Boris now that he's in the hot seat.
BTW....what did the budget do to hit CEOs pay? Tell me. This deplorable injustice been hit hard by Labour has it? They have the broadest shoulders, so they will have been it hard, right?
I would like you to answer this question. Don't run away and deflect...but but but the Tories. Answer it, and if the answer is "nothing", then why arent you critical of your own party?
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I asked you to explain the supposed benefits of Liz Truss' disastrous budget, no answer
I asked you why you cite world events as the cause of mishandling the economy for the Tories but dont factor in the same ongoing events with the Labour budget. No answer.
I asked why you don't also cite Brexit or the personal responsibility of every PM/Chancellor since Cameron? No answer.
"I would like you to answer this question. Don't run away and deflect"
Note you didn't address a single point in both of my posts re the rate of workers to pensioners and the increase costs of living placed on those workers. Instead you replied with emotive tabloid shiite and references to Boris Johnson.
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Fannnie. I have already commented openly on the Truss budget. Cannot be bother to trawl back through but it's right there and you have either forgotten or chosen to ignore it. To paraphrase what i said, it was an ill-considered disaster that while based in achieving growth, would never be accepted by the markets and, thus, its failure was inevitable", .
And again if you bothered to read what i have said on the other issues, I have talked about context. Growth, inflation have been impacted worldwide by global impacts. The Truss budget exacerbated that so we have felt some elements more acutely than other Countries. So if you want to call that mismanagement then fine, and there have been some poor decisions along that path which i have been critical of, but regardless of what the Govt did, a severe cost of living crisis & low growth has been felt across much of Europe and America.
You could also point to the best growth in the G8 in 2024 in the last knocking of the Tory reign, so while some things have been a mess, other decisions had helped us on to a recovery...a recovery that most other countries were also experiencing, but a better recovery.
Brexit contributed to that and while you love to make that a party political issue it isnt. More people voted for it than any number of people have voted for any Labour or Tory Government in history, so from a voters perspective it was not Party based thinking, it was a free choice. You may also remember my reference to the breaking of the red wall by Boris, Labour voters voting Tory to get Brexit done. They rejected Labour to get Brexit through so to make blame Tories for it is entirely false. AN EU ref was a Tory manifesto pledge and they were voted in. Your polarising of issues demonstrates the simplicity of your thought process, which is evident over and over in your posts.
I didnt vote for Brexit and I didnt vote for Boris, and i certainly did not vote for Corbyn's retro 1970s policies.
As for answering your points on workers and pensioners, you didnt ask any questions. You made a statement. You called it a "not so fun fact".
So don't cry if i don't answer questions you havent actually asked.
But if you want me to comment, then here you go. I accept your financial "facts" at face value. You are seemingly justifying the WFP policy.. and that's fine, it may well be a sound justification.
So why did Labour push back against it, ignore the "facts" you've shared, and cite the 4K deaths the heartless Tories would cause when in opposition but now in Govt, the deaths don't matter but the financial facts do?
I've answered you in full, again (even though i have done so already through the course of the numerous posts)....now your turn!
posted 6 hours, 20 minutes ago
Divvy Dev
Your words on Truss were a direct quote, although I omitted '. You acknowledged it was a disaster but said you could see the merits of it.
Re your second paragraph. You've used world events as an excuse for the Tories but have never mentioned the same ongoing events once re this labour budget.
Re Brexit, no not party political. Your ommitance, up until now, speaks to a lack of acknowledgment of the negative effects of Brexit because it hasn't gone the way those that advocated for it said it would. In also highlighting the rank hypocrisy of those who told farmers and SME's to vote against their interests now being the champions of famers and SME's on this budget. Mostly Tories, James Dyson and Nigel Farage you'll find.
Look up the stats re the rate of workers to pensioners,the declining birth rate (more expensive to have kids/unstable housing/child benefit cap disincentives younger generations) and the burden put on workers to cover the increasing costs. I would've thought someone with big talk about their superior acumen on business and the economy would be aware of this. After all it is your future workforce we're talking about.
posted 6 hours, 20 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 25 minutes ago
Hec
Divvy Dev being the successful businessman probably has private healthcare so fack the NHS, and 10% of the population waiting for treatment, why should he pay a bit extra.
Its just the 'I'm alright jack' gatekeeping that's been fomented over thr last 14 years.
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My wife has worked in the NHS since 1998. I have numerous friends through her work from physios, to nurses, OTs, to doctors. I know more about the health system and the issues the system and their staff face than you ever will.
Your characterisation of me just shows you up to be an unpleasant hateful person who pigeon holes people based on simple polarising of issues. Blinkered by bitterness and envy.
Just because I consider the NI rise to be too large and, alongside other policies, detrimental to growth of the whole country, does not mean i am against investing properly in the NHS and other public services. I would love my wife to come home happy with the world and getting 10% pay rises.
In principle i see an issue in taking action to address a problem (public service) in a way that significantly harms the very source of the solution (growing the economy). A tax solution alone solves one problem but creates another.
posted 6 hours, 19 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 50 seconds ago
Divvy Dev
Your words on Truss were a direct quote, although I omitted '. You acknowledged it was a disaster but said you could see the merits of it.
Re your second paragraph. You've used world events as an excuse for the Tories but have never mentioned the same ongoing events once re this labour budget.
Re Brexit, no not party political. Your ommitance, up until now, speaks to a lack of acknowledgment of the negative effects of Brexit because it hasn't gone the way those that advocated for it said it would. In also highlighting the rank hypocrisy of those who told farmers and SME's to vote against their interests now being the champions of famers and SME's on this budget. Mostly Tories, James Dyson and Nigel Farage you'll find.
Look up the stats re the rate of workers to pensioners,the declining birth rate (more expensive to have kids/unstable housing/child benefit cap disincentives younger generations) and the burden put on workers to cover the increasing costs. I would've thought someone with big talk about their superior acumen on business and the economy would be aware of this. After all it is your future workforce we're talking about.
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So no answer then?
posted 6 hours, 16 minutes ago
Divvy Dev
Are you Devon born or a Londoner that moved there pushing property prices up and displacing a local at the same time?
I only ask because you come across like the latter.
posted 6 hours, 15 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 50 seconds ago
Divvy Dev
Your words on Truss were a direct quote, although I omitted '. You acknowledged it was a disaster but said you could see the merits of it.
Re your second paragraph. You've used world events as an excuse for the Tories but have never mentioned the same ongoing events once re this labour budget.
Re Brexit, no not party political. Your ommitance, up until now, speaks to a lack of acknowledgment of the negative effects of Brexit because it hasn't gone the way those that advocated for it said it would. In also highlighting the rank hypocrisy of those who told farmers and SME's to vote against their interests now being the champions of famers and SME's on this budget. Mostly Tories, James Dyson and Nigel Farage you'll find.
Look up the stats re the rate of workers to pensioners,the declining birth rate (more expensive to have kids/unstable housing/child benefit cap disincentives younger generations) and the burden put on workers to cover the increasing costs. I would've thought someone with big talk about their superior acumen on business and the economy would be aware of this. After all it is your future workforce we're talking about.
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posted 10 hours, 46 minutes ago
‘ Crocodile tears’ 🤣…the only one crying on here is you! You brought up the subject of racism and now you’ve been put in your place because the party of change and ethics are allowing racists in!
You just sit there in that caravilla of yours and blubber away quietly! Now shush! 🤫
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‘ It was all over the press & media in the run up tp the election’
Ok lets do another Mr high and mighty!
What about Diane Abbot’s readmittance to the labour party after her antisemitism! Considering it was all over the press and media in the run to the election you hadn’t realised she’s one of the 6! 🤔
‘Labour leader Keir Starmer said Ms Abbott’s suspension showed “how far the Labour party has changed,” adding that the party has “zero tolerance” of antisemitism.’
Yes the party of change let her back in! How does that sit with you?
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You've picked out the woman that's experienced more racism in Parliament and the press than any other MP.
This the same Diane Abbot the Tory donor said should be shot. I'll take this as you agreeing with Hester's racist comment, after all you.voted Tory after the fact with a clear conscience.
You jumped to the defence of RW racists yesterday, the truth about Redinhisbedsit is all coming out now. What a piece of shiite.
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Well you’d think for someone who’s ‘experienced more racism in Parliament and the press than any other MP’, would know better! Don’t ya think?
Are you excusing her comments and the Labour party for allowing her back in based on that? Wow!
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So Abbot saying different races experience different types of prejudice is anti semitic but you've no problem with a Tory donor saying a black woman should be shot?
Why the different standard for Labour and not the same standard for the party you voted for you hypocrite?
You're all over the place you racist mess
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What she said was wrong was it not?
Don’t forget this is Labour the party of change!
The party of ‘Zero tolerance’ 🤣.. it’s like, ok guys you’ve been racist do a course on line and we’ll welcome you back! 🤣
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Correct, as acknowledged by Abbot herself, Starmer and the Labour party.
Frank Hester doubled down on his comments and gave your Tory party more money, which they quickly accepted.
Do you see the huge distinction in your desperate false equivalence?
If Labour is the party of zero tolerance does that make the party you voted for the party that welcomes racists, is this what persuaded you to vote for them?
You're not in a place to pontificate about racism you hypocrite, you're just too thick to realise
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Stop hiding behind you ‘false equivalence’ you pusssy!
Racism is racism whichever way you dress it up.
The zero tolerance party that allows racists back into the party! Rupa Huq another Labour MP who had to apologise over racist comment, suspended and welcomed back with open arms after completing a racism course!
Dawn Butler's sharing a racist tweet after Kemi Badenoch became Tory leader, went unpunished yeah the party of zero tolerance!
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Non of this justifies you voting for a party funded by a racist you fackin hypocrite
Funny how you voted for the party funded by a racist on July 4th and then suddenybstarted giving a shiite about racism on July 5th. Get a dictionary and look up the word disingenuous
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I'm not a tory, I'm not a racist, I'm just a middle of the road realist ,who has noticed over the years the pure hypocrisy and jealousy emanating from the Labour Party, pretending to care for the working classes ,but only caring about themselves, and the brainwashing of gullible people ,for their own political ends !
I'm not disingenuous either !
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Hypocrisy in politics isn't anything new or shocking. I don't understand what Labour are supposedly jealous of though, strange accusation.
How many of the current cabinet are from working class backgrounds?
As for talk of brainwashing, come on now. This is just emotive tabloid fodder you'd expect from the gas lighting RW press in the UK.
What irritates me is the country is the way it is down to the last 14 years. The Tories established new lows in political norms and standards of behaviour. Previously any one of the innumerate scandals would've led to resignations and consequences. The Tories did away with all that in defending sexualassault, bullying, law breaking, corruption, sleaze, racist gaslighting & othering.
The consequences of the last 14 years are going to be felt for a long time. Actions have consequences.
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comment by RED666…Always Right! 🇬🇧 (U6562)
posted 2 minutes ago
‘ Crocodile tears’ 🤣…the only one crying on here is you! You brought up the subject of racism and now you’ve been put in your place because the party of change and ethics are allowing racists in!
You just sit there in that caravilla of yours and blubber away quietly! Now shush! 🤫
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Strange way of saying 'I did'
posted 10 hours, 15 minutes ago
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posted 39 minutes ago
H, quick question about what you said there, no comment or disagreement just interest
"but only caring about themselves, and the brainwashing of gullible people" dont you feel that this applies to all political parties for the most past Conservative included?
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Piff, I agree entirely ,of course all political parties are looking after their own interests first, for their own ends, what I don't accept, is the hypocrisy of these Holier than thou people like fanniered, who cannot see that this Labour party is no different to any other !
OK mate
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H, quick question about what you said there, no comment or disagreement just interest
"but only caring about themselves, and the brainwashing of gullible people" dont you feel that this applies to all political parties for the most past Conservative included?
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Piff, I agree entirely ,of course all political parties are looking after their own interests first, for their own ends, what I don't accept, is the hypocrisy of these Holier than thou people like fanniered, who cannot see that this Labour party is no different to any other !
OK mate
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The old they're all the same narrative trotted out by RW tabloids as soon as they knew their client Tories were never winning the election.
Who set the current low standards we see in politics?
'Holier than thou'
Haven't you got some other people to Dox on an anonymous forum? You could find Red's bedsit and give the insecure mess a cuddle, he looks like he needs one.
posted 9 hours, 56 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 20 hours, 17 minutes ago
I seriously give up.
Get the country back on its feet after years and years of mismanagement and Brexit and you still dismiss the infrastructure investment and harp on about sweeties for business, honestly mate it's a 12 month budget, calm down.
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Please do give up Hector because you clearly lack the ability to read and understand, and you seem as blinkered as fannnie, with an equal lack of understanding and knowledge of running a business and economics in general!
posted 9 hours, 56 minutes ago
Old H is a hypocrite.
*see OP.
posted 9 hours, 46 minutes ago
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posted 20 hours, 17 minutes ago
I seriously give up.
Get the country back on its feet after years and years of mismanagement and Brexit and you still dismiss the infrastructure investment and harp on about sweeties for business, honestly mate it's a 12 month budget, calm down.
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Please do give up Hector because you clearly lack the ability to read and understand, and you seem as blinkered as fannnie, with an equal lack of understanding and knowledge of running a business and economics in general!
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Tell us the merits you could see in Truss' disastrous budget?
Why is Covid, Ukraine and Gaza used to excuse the Tories disastrous handling of the economy (not Brexit or the actual politicians) but not mentioned by you when discussing the Labour budget?
If you're an expert on business or the economy how long will the negative effects of Brexit continue and will we ever see the positives we were promised?
The same party that enacted Brexit apparently now gives a shiite about SME's and Farmers, two areas affected most by the Brexit. Yeah anyone want to buy a bridge?
posted 9 hours, 41 minutes ago
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posted 35 seconds ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 20 hours, 17 minutes ago
I seriously give up.
Get the country back on its feet after years and years of mismanagement and Brexit and you still dismiss the infrastructure investment and harp on about sweeties for business, honestly mate it's a 12 month budget, calm down.
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Please do give up Hector because you clearly lack the ability to read and understand, and you seem as blinkered as fannnie, with an equal lack of understanding and knowledge of running a business and economics in general!
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You want hand outs, I get it, business will collapse because businesses will have to add a few quid to the tax bill I get it, business doesn't owe the taxpayer for saving their businesses, I get it.
It's f***ing nonsense
posted 9 hours, 26 minutes ago
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posted 37 seconds ago
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posted 35 seconds ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 20 hours, 17 minutes ago
I seriously give up.
Get the country back on its feet after years and years of mismanagement and Brexit and you still dismiss the infrastructure investment and harp on about sweeties for business, honestly mate it's a 12 month budget, calm down.
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Please do give up Hector because you clearly lack the ability to read and understand, and you seem as blinkered as fannnie, with an equal lack of understanding and knowledge of running a business and economics in general!
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You want hand outs, I get it, business will collapse because businesses will have to add a few quid to the tax bill I get it, business doesn't owe the taxpayer for saving their businesses, I get it.
It's f***ing nonsense
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Dev's obviously happy not being able to get a doctors appt or waiting in a corridor/ambulance in A&E for hours as long as his business doesn't have to pay a bit extra in tax.
If someone steals from his business he's fine with it taking years to get to the courts, if he's lucky it gets that far.
He's happy for his employees and.himself.to drive tl work every morning on potholed roads, he can afford to get it fixed and doesn't give a shiite of his employees can.
Dev's happy for his local council to go bankrupt or for services he doesn't use, but the pensioners he supposedly cares about do, to close.
Dev is happy for there to be a two tier social care sector where you're fine if you can afford it, or have assets to rely on.
Dev's happy to prop up an ageing, decreasing population and a decreasing birth rate on a diminished workforce being expected to shoulder the increasing burden, as long as he doesn't.
Not so fun fact for Dev. When the welfare state was introduced, after the war, there were 20 workers for 1 pensioner. That rate in 2024 is 3 workers for 1 pensioner and expected to decrease to 2/1 by 2050.
posted 9 hours, 18 minutes ago
Like a child stamping his feet in tantrum because there's no sweeties for him in the latest budget and it will bring about the apocalypse....until the next budget.
Sometimes choices need to be made, debts have to be paid, the era of cheap money is over, we wasted the opportunity to borrow to invest and we cannot go on borrowing to pay for day to day.
posted 8 hours, 56 minutes ago
Not so fun fact for Dev. When the welfare state was introduced, after the war, there were 20 workers for 1 pensioner. That rate in 2024 is 3 workers for 1 pensioner and expected to decrease to 2/1 by 2050.
Just to add those two workers are facing increasing costs of living comparative to the pensioners they are paying for. Increasingly unable to get on the housing ladder, and facing higher rents, higher utility bills, higher taxes (under the Tories), higher food bills etc.
Meanwhile CEO pay has increased exponentially, so has MP's pay. The one pensioner those two workers are paying for sees their pension increase every year at the rate of inflation, due to the triple lock. But we should be outraged at taking a £300 benefit away from those who don't need it.
But what do I know I'm a lamen and not a captain of industry like Divvy Dev
posted 8 hours, 50 minutes ago
*one pensioner those three workers are paying for
posted 8 hours, 22 minutes ago
Your ignorance is staggering, evidenced by your reference to sweeties and handouts.
It is the Government duty to create a economic environment where businesses can flourish and deliver growth. 0.5% growth puts about £15bn into the economy and about 40% of that will come in as tax revenue.
It is imperative that growth is achieved otherwsie the Govts plans for spending will not be affordable, unless they tax more. Labour are relying on growth otherwise every budget will be tax rise upon tax rise.
What they have done to afford their public spending promises is tax in a way that harms business, harms growth and will ultimate cost them lost tax revenues from stalling growth. Already seen Q3 growth at 0.1%, after 0.6% and 0.7% in Q1 and 2. From an economy nervous about what the new Govt will do and their fears will have been realised in the budget. So expectations of further growth will be low. Sentiments in business and in households will be cautious, three will be belt tightening.
If you think nurturing an economy into better growth is sweeties then you're a fool. If you think hitting business big time taxes rises will help growth, you're a fool. And if you think adding cost to business so they will invest less in staff and less in pay rises is a good thing to do when growth is what is needed, then you are also a fool. These are not sweeties. this is part of the difficult balance needed affording public spending while delivering growth. The balance is all completely skewed towards spending at the expense of growth and that will hit businesses, it will hit working people and it will hit the cost of living.
posted 8 hours, 14 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 33 minutes ago
Not so fun fact for Dev. When the welfare state was introduced, after the war, there were 20 workers for 1 pensioner. That rate in 2024 is 3 workers for 1 pensioner and expected to decrease to 2/1 by 2050.
Just to add those two workers are facing increasing costs of living comparative to the pensioners they are paying for. Increasingly unable to get on the housing ladder, and facing higher rents, higher utility bills, higher taxes (under the Tories), higher food bills etc.
Meanwhile CEO pay has increased exponentially, so has MP's pay. The one pensioner those two workers are paying for sees their pension increase every year at the rate of inflation, due to the triple lock. But we should be outraged at taking a £300 benefit away from those who don't need it.
But what do I know I'm a lamen and not a captain of industry like Divvy Dev
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Labour seemed outraged at the Tory suggestion of means testing the WFP. They produced their own research showing it would cost the lives of 3000 - 4000 freezing pensioners.
I didnt know Kier's "tough decisions" included letting the bodies pile up. He seems not so different from Boris now that he's in the hot seat.
BTW....what did the budget do to hit CEOs pay? Tell me. This deplorable injustice been hit hard by Labour has it? They have the broadest shoulders, so they will have been it hard, right?
I would like you to answer this question. Don't run away and deflect...but but but the Tories . Answer it, and if the answer is "nothing", then why arent you critical of your own party?
posted 8 hours, 5 minutes ago
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posted 29 seconds ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 33 minutes ago
Not so fun fact for Dev. When the welfare state was introduced, after the war, there were 20 workers for 1 pensioner. That rate in 2024 is 3 workers for 1 pensioner and expected to decrease to 2/1 by 2050.
Just to add those two workers are facing increasing costs of living comparative to the pensioners they are paying for. Increasingly unable to get on the housing ladder, and facing higher rents, higher utility bills, higher taxes (under the Tories), higher food bills etc.
Meanwhile CEO pay has increased exponentially, so has MP's pay. The one pensioner those two workers are paying for sees their pension increase every year at the rate of inflation, due to the triple lock. But we should be outraged at taking a £300 benefit away from those who don't need it.
But what do I know I'm a lamen and not a captain of industry like Divvy Dev
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Labour seemed outraged at the Tory suggestion of means testing the WFP. They produced their own research showing it would cost the lives of 3000 - 4000 freezing pensioners.
I didnt know Kier's "tough decisions" included letting the bodies pile up. He seems not so different from Boris now that he's in the hot seat.
BTW....what did the budget do to hit CEOs pay? Tell me. This deplorable injustice been hit hard by Labour has it? They have the broadest shoulders, so they will have been it hard, right?
I would like you to answer this question. Don't run away and deflect...but but but the Tories. Answer it, and if the answer is "nothing", then why arent you critical of your own party?
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I asked you to explain the supposed benefits of Liz Truss' disastrous budget, no answer
I asked you why you cite world events as the cause of mishandling the economy for the Tories but dont factor in the same ongoing events with the Labour budget. No answer.
I asked why you don't also cite Brexit or the personal responsibility of every PM/Chancellor since Cameron? No answer.
"I would like you to answer this question. Don't run away and deflect"
Note you didn't address a single point in both of my posts re the rate of workers to pensioners and the increase costs of living placed on those workers. Instead you replied with emotive tabloid shiite and references to Boris Johnson.
posted 7 hours, 57 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 22 minutes ago
Your ignorance is staggering, evidenced by your reference to sweeties and handouts.
It is the Government duty to create a economic environment where businesses can flourish and deliver growth. 0.5% growth puts about £15bn into the economy and about 40% of that will come in as tax revenue.
It is imperative that growth is achieved otherwsie the Govts plans for spending will not be affordable, unless they tax more. Labour are relying on growth otherwise every budget will be tax rise upon tax rise.
What they have done to afford their public spending promises is tax in a way that harms business, harms growth and will ultimate cost them lost tax revenues from stalling growth. Already seen Q3 growth at 0.1%, after 0.6% and 0.7% in Q1 and 2. From an economy nervous about what the new Govt will do and their fears will have been realised in the budget. So expectations of further growth will be low. Sentiments in business and in households will be cautious, three will be belt tightening.
If you think nurturing an economy into better growth is sweeties then you're a fool. If you think hitting business big time taxes rises will help growth, you're a fool. And if you think adding cost to business so they will invest less in staff and less in pay rises is a good thing to do when growth is what is needed, then you are also a fool. These are not sweeties. this is part of the difficult balance needed affording public spending while delivering growth. The balance is all completely skewed towards spending at the expense of growth and that will hit businesses, it will hit working people and it will hit the cost of living.
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We've heard all this before though over the last 14 years. Tax cuts in the premise of jam tomorrow that never materialises leading to workers having the suffer the consequences or shoulder an increasing burden.
Fool me once.........
posted 7 hours, 21 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 22 minutes ago
Your ignorance is staggering, evidenced by your reference to sweeties and handouts.
It is the Government duty to create a economic environment where businesses can flourish and deliver growth. 0.5% growth puts about £15bn into the economy and about 40% of that will come in as tax revenue.
It is imperative that growth is achieved otherwsie the Govts plans for spending will not be affordable, unless they tax more. Labour are relying on growth otherwise every budget will be tax rise upon tax rise.
What they have done to afford their public spending promises is tax in a way that harms business, harms growth and will ultimate cost them lost tax revenues from stalling growth. Already seen Q3 growth at 0.1%, after 0.6% and 0.7% in Q1 and 2. From an economy nervous about what the new Govt will do and their fears will have been realised in the budget. So expectations of further growth will be low. Sentiments in business and in households will be cautious, three will be belt tightening.
If you think nurturing an economy into better growth is sweeties then you're a fool. If you think hitting business big time taxes rises will help growth, you're a fool. And if you think adding cost to business so they will invest less in staff and less in pay rises is a good thing to do when growth is what is needed, then you are also a fool. These are not sweeties. this is part of the difficult balance needed affording public spending while delivering growth. The balance is all completely skewed towards spending at the expense of growth and that will hit businesses, it will hit working people and it will hit the cost of living.
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We've heard all this before though over the last 14 years. Tax cuts in the premise of jam tomorrow that never materialises leading to workers having the suffer the consequences or shoulder an increasing burden.
Fool me once.........
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I'm empathic that he's losing sleep over no sweeties in the budget but roll on the eventual collapse of the economy because of a few extra pounds are added to the scrounging, destitute, hanging on by their finger nails business tax bill.
posted 7 hours, 2 minutes ago
Hec
Divvy Dev being the successful businessman probably has private healthcare so fack the NHS, and 10% of the population waiting for treatment, why should he pay a bit extra.
Its just the 'I'm alright jack' gatekeeping that's been fomented over thr last 14 years.
posted 6 hours, 39 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 hour ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 33 minutes ago
Not so fun fact for Dev. When the welfare state was introduced, after the war, there were 20 workers for 1 pensioner. That rate in 2024 is 3 workers for 1 pensioner and expected to decrease to 2/1 by 2050.
Just to add those two workers are facing increasing costs of living comparative to the pensioners they are paying for. Increasingly unable to get on the housing ladder, and facing higher rents, higher utility bills, higher taxes (under the Tories), higher food bills etc.
Meanwhile CEO pay has increased exponentially, so has MP's pay. The one pensioner those two workers are paying for sees their pension increase every year at the rate of inflation, due to the triple lock. But we should be outraged at taking a £300 benefit away from those who don't need it.
But what do I know I'm a lamen and not a captain of industry like Divvy Dev
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Labour seemed outraged at the Tory suggestion of means testing the WFP. They produced their own research showing it would cost the lives of 3000 - 4000 freezing pensioners.
I didnt know Kier's "tough decisions" included letting the bodies pile up. He seems not so different from Boris now that he's in the hot seat.
BTW....what did the budget do to hit CEOs pay? Tell me. This deplorable injustice been hit hard by Labour has it? They have the broadest shoulders, so they will have been it hard, right?
I would like you to answer this question. Don't run away and deflect...but but but the Tories. Answer it, and if the answer is "nothing", then why arent you critical of your own party?
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I asked you to explain the supposed benefits of Liz Truss' disastrous budget, no answer
I asked you why you cite world events as the cause of mishandling the economy for the Tories but dont factor in the same ongoing events with the Labour budget. No answer.
I asked why you don't also cite Brexit or the personal responsibility of every PM/Chancellor since Cameron? No answer.
"I would like you to answer this question. Don't run away and deflect"
Note you didn't address a single point in both of my posts re the rate of workers to pensioners and the increase costs of living placed on those workers. Instead you replied with emotive tabloid shiite and references to Boris Johnson.
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Fannnie. I have already commented openly on the Truss budget. Cannot be bother to trawl back through but it's right there and you have either forgotten or chosen to ignore it. To paraphrase what i said, it was an ill-considered disaster that while based in achieving growth, would never be accepted by the markets and, thus, its failure was inevitable", .
And again if you bothered to read what i have said on the other issues, I have talked about context. Growth, inflation have been impacted worldwide by global impacts. The Truss budget exacerbated that so we have felt some elements more acutely than other Countries. So if you want to call that mismanagement then fine, and there have been some poor decisions along that path which i have been critical of, but regardless of what the Govt did, a severe cost of living crisis & low growth has been felt across much of Europe and America.
You could also point to the best growth in the G8 in 2024 in the last knocking of the Tory reign, so while some things have been a mess, other decisions had helped us on to a recovery...a recovery that most other countries were also experiencing, but a better recovery.
Brexit contributed to that and while you love to make that a party political issue it isnt. More people voted for it than any number of people have voted for any Labour or Tory Government in history, so from a voters perspective it was not Party based thinking, it was a free choice. You may also remember my reference to the breaking of the red wall by Boris, Labour voters voting Tory to get Brexit done. They rejected Labour to get Brexit through so to make blame Tories for it is entirely false. AN EU ref was a Tory manifesto pledge and they were voted in. Your polarising of issues demonstrates the simplicity of your thought process, which is evident over and over in your posts.
I didnt vote for Brexit and I didnt vote for Boris, and i certainly did not vote for Corbyn's retro 1970s policies.
As for answering your points on workers and pensioners, you didnt ask any questions. You made a statement. You called it a "not so fun fact".
So don't cry if i don't answer questions you havent actually asked.
But if you want me to comment, then here you go. I accept your financial "facts" at face value. You are seemingly justifying the WFP policy.. and that's fine, it may well be a sound justification.
So why did Labour push back against it, ignore the "facts" you've shared, and cite the 4K deaths the heartless Tories would cause when in opposition but now in Govt, the deaths don't matter but the financial facts do?
I've answered you in full, again (even though i have done so already through the course of the numerous posts)....now your turn!
posted 6 hours, 20 minutes ago
Divvy Dev
Your words on Truss were a direct quote, although I omitted '. You acknowledged it was a disaster but said you could see the merits of it.
Re your second paragraph. You've used world events as an excuse for the Tories but have never mentioned the same ongoing events once re this labour budget.
Re Brexit, no not party political. Your ommitance, up until now, speaks to a lack of acknowledgment of the negative effects of Brexit because it hasn't gone the way those that advocated for it said it would. In also highlighting the rank hypocrisy of those who told farmers and SME's to vote against their interests now being the champions of famers and SME's on this budget. Mostly Tories, James Dyson and Nigel Farage you'll find.
Look up the stats re the rate of workers to pensioners,the declining birth rate (more expensive to have kids/unstable housing/child benefit cap disincentives younger generations) and the burden put on workers to cover the increasing costs. I would've thought someone with big talk about their superior acumen on business and the economy would be aware of this. After all it is your future workforce we're talking about.
posted 6 hours, 20 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 25 minutes ago
Hec
Divvy Dev being the successful businessman probably has private healthcare so fack the NHS, and 10% of the population waiting for treatment, why should he pay a bit extra.
Its just the 'I'm alright jack' gatekeeping that's been fomented over thr last 14 years.
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My wife has worked in the NHS since 1998. I have numerous friends through her work from physios, to nurses, OTs, to doctors. I know more about the health system and the issues the system and their staff face than you ever will.
Your characterisation of me just shows you up to be an unpleasant hateful person who pigeon holes people based on simple polarising of issues. Blinkered by bitterness and envy.
Just because I consider the NI rise to be too large and, alongside other policies, detrimental to growth of the whole country, does not mean i am against investing properly in the NHS and other public services. I would love my wife to come home happy with the world and getting 10% pay rises.
In principle i see an issue in taking action to address a problem (public service) in a way that significantly harms the very source of the solution (growing the economy). A tax solution alone solves one problem but creates another.
posted 6 hours, 19 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 50 seconds ago
Divvy Dev
Your words on Truss were a direct quote, although I omitted '. You acknowledged it was a disaster but said you could see the merits of it.
Re your second paragraph. You've used world events as an excuse for the Tories but have never mentioned the same ongoing events once re this labour budget.
Re Brexit, no not party political. Your ommitance, up until now, speaks to a lack of acknowledgment of the negative effects of Brexit because it hasn't gone the way those that advocated for it said it would. In also highlighting the rank hypocrisy of those who told farmers and SME's to vote against their interests now being the champions of famers and SME's on this budget. Mostly Tories, James Dyson and Nigel Farage you'll find.
Look up the stats re the rate of workers to pensioners,the declining birth rate (more expensive to have kids/unstable housing/child benefit cap disincentives younger generations) and the burden put on workers to cover the increasing costs. I would've thought someone with big talk about their superior acumen on business and the economy would be aware of this. After all it is your future workforce we're talking about.
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So no answer then?
posted 6 hours, 16 minutes ago
Divvy Dev
Are you Devon born or a Londoner that moved there pushing property prices up and displacing a local at the same time?
I only ask because you come across like the latter.
posted 6 hours, 15 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
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comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 50 seconds ago
Divvy Dev
Your words on Truss were a direct quote, although I omitted '. You acknowledged it was a disaster but said you could see the merits of it.
Re your second paragraph. You've used world events as an excuse for the Tories but have never mentioned the same ongoing events once re this labour budget.
Re Brexit, no not party political. Your ommitance, up until now, speaks to a lack of acknowledgment of the negative effects of Brexit because it hasn't gone the way those that advocated for it said it would. In also highlighting the rank hypocrisy of those who told farmers and SME's to vote against their interests now being the champions of famers and SME's on this budget. Mostly Tories, James Dyson and Nigel Farage you'll find.
Look up the stats re the rate of workers to pensioners,the declining birth rate (more expensive to have kids/unstable housing/child benefit cap disincentives younger generations) and the burden put on workers to cover the increasing costs. I would've thought someone with big talk about their superior acumen on business and the economy would be aware of this. After all it is your future workforce we're talking about.
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