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posted on 15/10/11

What Ayres forgets is that there wouldn't be a worldwide audience if there weren't 20 Prem teams.

They would soon get bored watching the top 4 playing each other 16 times a season.

Also, the Premier League don't give a rats sphincter about EUFA competitions and whether Prem teams are disadvantaged or not.

Who would Ayres "tax" to allow L'pool to pay 50mil for Carroll instead of 35mil?

Would he like to take away the parachute payments to relegated sides and watch half the football league go into administration or get wound up?

It will never happen as only he supports the idea and the guy is just an attention seeker like the Venkys or Gold & Sullivan.

The guy should keep his big trap shut rather than try and re-write 128 years of history when his "beloved" club didn't even exist back then.

Pr!ck

He should keep his big

posted on 15/10/11

Liverpool are on TV this weekend, next weekend and the weekend after. What about Bolton?

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Foreign TV? or domestic?

If its foreign then I honestly don't care, Domestic, you seem to be getting confused as Ayres has been on about international TV.

posted on 15/10/11

We're on foreign TV every week, as well as the other 19 clubs.

I think all TV payments should be split equally (domestic and international), maybe except for some prize money based on league finish.

I don't care if anyone disagrees with me

posted on 15/10/11

I was in Malta for the last Prem game of the season when all games kicked off simultaneously.

There is a massive sports bar called Huggies Bar with about 10/12 large screen teles.

Every Prem game was shown on one of the teles and believe me. there were as many watching the Bolton tele as any other.

posted on 15/10/11

comment by Reebok Bricks (U6418)

posted 37 minutes ago

I was in Malta for the last Prem game of the season when all games kicked off simultaneously.

There is a massive sports bar called Huggies Bar with about 10/12 large screen teles.

Every Prem game was shown on one of the teles and believe me. there were as many watching the Bolton tele as any other.
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They were watching Man City.

posted on 15/10/11

They were watching Man City.

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And you know that for a fact do you? pathetic generalisation like your MD !!!!

posted on 15/10/11

They were watching Man City.

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It was all Bolton tops watching as Bolton have a decent Maltese following.

The Sun in Splendour bar in Spinola Bay owned by a Maltese guy called Donald Bonati is a total shrine to all things BWFC.

posted on 15/10/11

Why is davies taking pens?

posted on 15/10/11

To put simply, Bolton are not a club who are internationally supported around the world.
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This is where I stopped reading. I hope the rest of the thread doesn't contain such ignorant and stupid comments.

posted on 15/10/11

What do you expect from a skally? The're up their own arris.

I wonder what he woiuld be saying if he was born and bred in Bolton.

posted on 15/10/11

Campo - he had to put it simply because he's not capable of more advanced discussion..

posted on 15/10/11

BWFC allowed Liverpool to join us in the professional league..

Liverpool it's argued aren't the best supported club in their own city... Let's slow down a bit.. 20 years success, 20 years ago isn't entitlement to run the place.

posted on 15/10/11

The only clarification I want to hear from Liverpool FC is an apology for needlessly denigrating our club.

posted on 15/10/11

Totally agree Mr LargeHat.

posted on 16/10/11

Did all the Bolton fans have to work this saturday? Wigan had a better attendance against Spurs.

posted on 16/10/11

20 years ago success? We have won Champions Leagues, Uefa Cups, Super Cups, FA Cups, League Cups all in the last twenty years. I'm not gonna get involved in a my club is better than yours argument as this is not what my comment was about.

I am not saying that Bolton don't have fans internationally and perhaps I should have corrected what i said earlier. What I meant was that they are not internationally supported all over the world like Liverpool are. If you think they are, then you would have no problems with Ayre's proposals, as you could negotiate your own deal and make more than what you do now.

I'll ask you again, why should a team like Bolton get the same proceeds as a team like Liverpool when Bolton are bringing less fans and have less fans paying to watch them on foreign TV? This isn't fair. If you think it is, then that's your opinion but don't attack the club and its success because of it.

posted on 16/10/11

Did all the Bolton fans have to work this saturday? Wigan had a better attendance against Spurs.
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If you can't knock the result, knock the attendance. Right?

These Scousers should think long and hard before asking for the Ayre proposal to be confirmed. Big clubs like Man Utd and Chelsea would be earning far more money than you, and would make it much more difficult to compete. I also don't think fickle fans in far away lands should affect your income stream from tv rights. It's an English league, and I will lay out one scenario:

If a fairly decent player from India is discovered, he would be valued much higher than a very good English player. Because of the potential for extra income through viewing figures, English players would take a back seat to players from other countries. Our national team would be even more of a joke. And it would make the shady world of child recruitment even worse.

But hey, let's all continue to rape the dying corpse that is English football.

posted on 16/10/11

My big problem with the proposal is that by drawing a line in the sand and saying that your club is more popular overseas and this you should have a bigger share of overseas TV revenue is that you're drawing a line in the sand based on short term factors. You even suggest Bolton should receive more money than Arsenal or Chelsea from South Korea because we have a South Korean player. Over here it is accepted by fans that Liverpool did a good bit of business by selling Torres for £50m and replacing him with Suarez; however in the far east this was considered a bad move because Torres has superstar status.

The Premier League is a TV product. All teams play 38 games a season. Liverpool can't produce 38 games without playing the other 19 teams. The fact that Liverpool are one of the clubs is great and it's fair to say that globally there are more people likely to tune in to watch Liverpool v Bolton rather than Wigan v Bolton but at the same time more people watch Coronation Street when there's a wedding on. I am pretty sure when a character gets married they don't expect a pay rise for that episode. It's part of the product and a popular part but it can't exist in isolation.

There's also the wider point that your MD is a football outsider motivated by greed and selfishness but that's already been covered and he had NO RIGHT denigrating our club and should have the decency and common sense to apologise publicly.

posted on 16/10/11

FOR THE UMPTEENTH TIME HE DID NOT MAKE THAT PROPOSAL.

Right, you absolute morons READ.

In the UK, 50% of the TV rights money is split up evenly, 25% judged on league position and 25% judged on how many times you are on TV.

Worldwide TV rights are simply divided by 20. And Ian Ayre proposed that this should be thought about, maybe introducing the same system as in the UK.

READ THE INTERVIEW. For those who seem unable to read, WATCH THE INTERVIEW.

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/ayre-explains-tv-comments

Completely pathetic on behalf of all people just reading what they see on the papers, watch the interview with the man himself, we all know how much the papers twist stories.

And if you seriously think that Bolton have a fanbase the size of Liverpool's abroad then you are seriously deluded.

I like your club, and you have great fans in the UK, but only three clubs have a fan base the size of Liverpool's and those are United, Madrid and Barca.

comment by JAH (U1627)

posted on 16/10/11

I would like to see some hard facts on how you lot measure your overseas fan base. Is it overseas shirt sales? Viewing figures? How do you calculate it? Please can you put a weblink down with stats proving your the 3rd largest overseas market puller so I'm happy that you stats are based on current figures and not on figures from the past. Thanks

posted on 16/10/11

I'll get the stats for Liverpool if you can do the same for Bolton and then we can compare.

Thanks.

posted on 16/10/11

http://www.sportingintelligence.com/2010/08/31/revealed-the-worlds-best-selling-club-football-shirts-310802/

Arsenal are also up there in terms of shirt sales.

Bolton nowhere to be seen.

posted on 16/10/11

http://www.comscore.com/Press_Events/Press_Releases/2007/05/European_Football_Clubs

Website views shows 57% of people logging on are from abroad. Take the language situation into consideration here.

posted on 16/10/11

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posted on 16/10/11

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEYquzIBoX8&feature=related

This was a TRAINING session!!! With 37000 fans at the stadium on the other side of the world.

Your go.

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