Have you actually read the interview I posted five or six times? Be honest now.

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Yes, your chairman stated he wanted a 'debate' on TV rights and from the previous interview, he would favour a system were clubs got more based on their support.

By the way Fred... Why quote the second bit and not debate the first bit??

Because I'm right....??

comment by Reebok Bricks (U6418)
posted 56 seconds ago
How on earth do you know what any teams overseas rights are worth?

Mr Murdoch couldn't count work it out and neither could the Prem.

It is just too arbitrary when the revenue is generated by subscriptions for Prem coverage in 220 different countries.

All clubs agreed overseas right should be distributed evenly because of this until Mr Ayres, the far Eastern Badminton media guru, opened his stupid mouth!
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I've not said I do know about which games are broadcasted more, Ayre has a better idea than any of us.

I'm saying this should be looked into, even if Liverpool end up losing out, I want success to be rewarded.

And LaughingBoy, nice to see you are keeping to subject. No, I live in Toulouse.

"And LaughingBoy, nice to see you are keeping to subject. No, I live in Toulouse."

I've asked you to discuss my quotes, but you're very selective on what you answer..

I don't think you have a business mind and are quite innocent in your thinking. That's all on topic..

Slightly off topic is the fact I'm not sure what your connection to Liverpool is!?

Answering either points would be lovely..

By the way Fred... Why quote the second bit and not debate the first bit??

Because I'm right....??

No, because I didn't bring that point up about mobile phones, and I've already said that I would like to see the issue looked into, I've gone back on me saying that it would be easy countless times, because some people on here can accept when they are wrong.

Learn from them.

So do you the money to be distributed on league position or on the amount of support.

My phone is worth £15. The phones you have are worth £20,000,000. I want £10,000,000.

Which is exactly what is happening here.

For example, Liverpool are worth £1billion a year in terms of overseas TV revenue. Bolton are worth £100m. So Bolton want £550million. Which they are now getting. Which the Premier League and the voters have voted for. However why is it wrong to look at this situation and say, hold on a minute here, I think this is unfair, my business is getting the same as others, when we are generating the most income, this should be up for discussion. Let's debate about it.

I think that is within his rights to do. Whether people vote to agree with that is up to them but it is within his rights to voice his opinion on what his company should be allowed to do with their product.

Accept it and move on. Stop blaming him for things that he didn't say and stop insulting the club and its so-called non-success over the past twenty years.

This might be debated and it might not come to fruition but he is entitled to look for the best deal for the company he is employed to make money for.

Fred

I asked you to quote/debate the stuff on my comment not the mobile phone rubbish..

comment by LaughingBoy - always happy to offer a smile and a thumbs up. God allowed me to be born a Bolton fan. Thank God. (U11262)
posted 48 seconds ago
"And LaughingBoy, nice to see you are keeping to subject. No, I live in Toulouse."

I've asked you to discuss my quotes, but you're very selective on what you answer..

I don't think you have a business mind and are quite innocent in your thinking. That's all on topic..

Slightly off topic is the fact I'm not sure what your connection to Liverpool is!?

Answering either points would be lovely..

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Ask me the selection of questions you wish to ask right now and I will answer them one by one for you.

My connection to Liverpool is my father, who was a kopite, and as a kid, I wanted to be like my Dad, as most kids do, so despite living in Birmingham at the time, I defied all my Villa supporting mates to be like my Dad. I didn't just follow the curve.

16 years later I now live in Toulouse, it's where my career has taken me, my parents now live near Bournemouth. I would love to be closer to Liverpool, but unfortunately that is not the case.

Happy?

"I've gone back on me saying that it would be easy countless times, because some people on here can accept when they are wrong."

Fred, I'm not trying to beat you, so I go warm and happy inside.. I simply believe in what I'm saying..

You may want to point score or take the moral high ground... I simply want discuss and debate my point.

I'd back down too, if I was wrong.

But I'm not.

Oh and btw Mr Commerce.

The rights to overseas Prem broadcasting are not sold collectively.

They are sold as separate contracts of varying lengths with each separate highest bidding media company from that country per subscription getting the rights.

It is so complex, that you could not possibly tell which Prem club is generating the highest revenue for Sky in each of 220 countries.

Domestic tv rights are different as, again, agreed by all 20 clubs, the make up 3 parts.

An equal division of 50% of the pot and the other 50% being made up by the award for league position & the number of games shown live on Sky.

As it stands, it means the bottom team, being shown the minimum of 10 live games gets 40 million quid.

The top team, being shown the maximum of 24 live games gets 60 million quid.

How unfair do you want it???

"Happy?"

Yes, yes I am. Thank you.

Stop being so defensive young Jedi. Much to learn you have... Ermmmmmm (said, in a yoda voice)

No I want to debate my point and I've made my point countless times, and I too believe what I'm saying.

To be honest we are all making points and no debate on the net is going to change our opinions.

comment by Reebok Bricks (U6418)

posted 39 seconds ago

Oh and btw Mr Commerce.

The rights to overseas Prem broadcasting are not sold collectively.
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That is the whole point. Ayre is arguing that it shouldn't be like that.

Some people just argue for the sake of arguing.

"Some people just argue for the sake of arguing."

And on line 1 we have Irony from Liverpool..

Give up There'sOnly.

I have. These are fans with a small club complex, they will never back down, they never do.

"To be honest we are all making points and no debate on the net is going to change our opinions."

Not true.

An hour ago I thought you were a prat. Now I think you're a stubborn fella, but a good un....

Fred, above, I have made what I asked a valid question.

At least do the good thing and answer it;

So do you the money to be distributed on league position or on the amount of support?

Bolton, Wigan, Blackburn, Norwich, Swansea etc etc...

Bend over.......

The league winners from 1990ish want more money!!!


And the kids of Dubai and Shanghai demand it!!!

So do you the money to be distributed on league position or on the amount of support?

I think that it should be split up the same way it is in the UK.

Oh and btw Mr Commerce.

The rights to overseas Prem broadcasting are not sold collectively.
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That is the whole point. Ayre is arguing that it shouldn't be like that.

Some people just argue for the sake of arguing

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Sorry but I don't think you get my point. I used the words "not sold collectively" as Mr Murdoch has to negotiate 220 different deals to sell his sole Prem broadcasting rights to those countries.

The Prem then negotiate a collective price with Mr Murdoch from the sale of those rights.

Got It yet??

comment by Moses'-SWA (U2460)

posted 1 minute ago

Fred, above, I have made what I asked a valid question.

At least do the good thing and answer it;

So do you the money to be distributed on league position or on the amount of support?
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I think it should be neither, It should be what the TV companies in other countries are willing to pay for Liverpool games, which quite possibly in most countries will be a lot more than what they will pay for Bolton games. Which is the point Ayre made. However you all seem to be talking about points which he didn't even say.

I think that it should be split up the same way it is in the UK.

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So why were you arguing before that it should be based on 'support'?

LaughingBoy, you really are a sad little man.

Despite me saying that I would be happy to receive less money than the clubs who clearly have no ambition if this new system is brought, you still make the same drab points you made at the start.

I feel for you, I really do. Losing an argument to a 20 year old.

I think you need to grow up a little.

You lose the debate and resort to mockery, good one.

comment by Reebok Bricks (U6418)

posted 1 minute ago

Oh and btw Mr Commerce.

The rights to overseas Prem broadcasting are not sold collectively.
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That is the whole point. Ayre is arguing that it shouldn't be like that.

Some people just argue for the sake of arguing

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Sorry but I don't think you get my point. I used the words "not sold collectively" as Mr Murdoch has to negotiate 220 different deals to sell his sole Prem broadcasting rights to those countries.

The Prem then negotiate a collective price with Mr Murdoch from the sale of those rights.

Got It yet??
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That is the whole point, Ayre is arguing that it shouldn't be like that.