So you know I'm right, hence you are changing the subject.
So you know I'm right, hence you are changing the subject.
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No, I am just stating facts.
Bricks is right above, doing this will be extremely difficult, not every country speaks English, break downs in communications, there are too many things to go wrong ....
Did you not read what I said about the company I work for?
The company I work for is Airbus, we have suppliers all over Europe, the US and China, all very different jurisdictions and we need to know the exact spend for accountancy purposes.
None of us know the answer to this question, I can see your point (whereas Moses made no decent points) but I just think it would be ridiculous to have no clue what games are shown where. And the only reason we got to this debate is because Moses knew he was wrong on the previous points.
Fred
Take your wife for a Carvery pal...
Break time..
comment by Reebok Bricks (U641
If you think it would be easy for the Prem to monitor 200 different media groups coverage of these games in countries all with different legal juristdictions, you are on another planet fella.
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Speaking of planets we monitor thousands of them millions of miles away but you think it would be difficult for us to monitor 200 different media groups.
I've never seen such a rubbish argument as this from you and moses.
I find it hard to believe that you are really so stupid as not to know that every single detail of who broadcasts what, when and where is recorded, scrutinsed and analysed so I can only assume you are just deliberately talking rubbish to antagonise.
I can't I live in France .
Plus I'm 20, why the hell would I have a wife?!?! Not that stupid .
Bob
Of course he's on the WUM, but it's always nice to show the idiots where they're wrong.
None of us know the answer to this question, I can see your point (whereas Moses made no decent points) but I just think it would be ridiculous to have no clue what games are shown where. And the only reason we got to this debate is because Moses knew he was wrong on the previous points.
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I'm not saying we will have no clue, we might have some idea but we need to know the full picture before giving out payments.
Your idea will require a lot of extra staff, add extra resources, I'd rather just leave it as it is ....
Absolute nonsense.
In the words of the dragons
'Quite clearly you know nothing about business, and for that reason I'm out!'
Fred
I have worked in import & export in the IT industry.
They are physical products with proper import/export documents like Bills if Laden and manifest lists, so are much simpler than expoeting a vitual product like media.
Murdoch is far more interested in putting his available resources into breach of copyright than looking at the statistics of viewing of a product he has already received the money for.
Fred, one very big organization dealing with 200 very big organizations in deals that to some companies aren't the biggest deals they will deal with.
The potential (I'm not saying it will happen) is huge.
Its just another reason why we shouldn't change the deal, the current deal works well and if it isn't broke, don't fix it ...
I like your club, and you have great fans in the UK, but only three clubs have a fan base the size of Liverpool's and those are United, Madrid and Barca.
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You used short sales and website visits to back this point up?
Yeah I based my point on shorts . The football club with the biggest shorts wins.
So where are Bolton fans basing their "worldwide" fan base on? I look forward to your answer.
And 40000 fans at a training session doesn't do it for you then?
And 40000 fans at a training session doesn't do it for you then?
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Most people in Bolton and it's surrounding areas work!!
Fred wrote:
"I lose count of the amount of times I've seen how Liverpool want to "break away" when that is simply not true."
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At the moment PL clubs have a collective bargaining agreement for overseas TV rights. In what sense is it incorrect to describe Ayers position as not wanting to break away from this?
The man wants to have his cake and eat it. He wants clubs like Bolton to turn up at Anfield to play your self important club in the Premier League and to receive an unequal share of the TV revenue. I say if he wants to stiff people like this, he should form his own break away league.
largehat
Perhaps Ian Ayre saying, "the debate is not Liverpool breaking away and selling our own rights."
Here, see the proof: http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/ayre-explains-tv-comments.
Also that training session was in Malaysia, so I don't know what your jibe about people in Bolton working was all about, care to explain?
Are you saying that nobody in Malaysia works? Little unfair, and probably a subject you know very little about.
If it was a jibe on Liverpool, shows your inability to read.
Perhaps Ian Ayre saying, "the debate is not Liverpool breaking away and selling our own rights."
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No he just has issue with the way the rights are distributed, we aren't going to back down as it will cost us.
His second comments were nonsense and PR speak 'just wanting a debate' means that his comments weren't as popular as he thought.
Fred, I haven't said anything about a training session in Malaysia, people in Bolton working, or people in Malaysia not working.
Shows your inability to read.
No it means his words were twisted, as is commonplace with today's media.
Just accept when you're wrong!
The massive problem with England is the inability to reward success, work hard, get a decent job, earn a decent salary and the government just take more from it.
And you are an example of this, success should be rewarded, and with this current deal, it is not.
Oh 40k for a training session in Malaysia. That must generate a lot of income for the Prem. Not. Totally irrelavent comment.
You didn't answer my point about the logistics and statistics of selling a physical as opposed to a virtual product live over satellite which is not subject to border controls.
You also make yourself out to be some sort of commerce guru by claiming to work for Airbus, about 40% of the EADS group, ranked 241st in the Forbes biggest global companies list 2011. Turnover 60.7bil, profit 733mil.
I work for Cisco Systems, Forbes ranked 87th 2011. Turnover 42.1bil, profit 7.6bil.
We import/export both hardware and virtual products like software and cloud resources, so I do know an awful lot about the dynamics of dealing with virtual products.
Reading Ayres link you provide sounds like something in between a u-turn and an apology to save face.
No it means his words were twisted, as is commonplace with today's media.
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How were they twisted? did he call my team, did he not say he wanted Liverpool to have more money at the expense of my club?
He has claimed that the comments were misinterpreted as a sign of a breakaway but he still wants more money to go to the rich clubs.
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And you are an example of this, success should be rewarded, and with this current deal, it is not.
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The Premier league as a whole is a success we are part of that and you would be absolutely stupid to think that we don't deserve the money.
No need for the Premier League to know who is showing what as each individual club would be selling their own rights to the foreign TV companies, so believe me, they would know. Your comments are all ridiculous and you are making points on a topic which Ayre didn't even talk about. You feel that you would be disadvantaged and are complaining about it yet you are complaining about Liverpool fans who think they would be advantaged.
You feel that you would be disadvantaged and are complaining about it yet you are complaining about Liverpool fans who think they would be advantaged.
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We are arguing because it would put the league in danger just because of your MD's greed.
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posted on 16/10/11
So you know I'm right, hence you are changing the subject.
posted on 16/10/11
So you know I'm right, hence you are changing the subject.
--
No, I am just stating facts.
Bricks is right above, doing this will be extremely difficult, not every country speaks English, break downs in communications, there are too many things to go wrong ....
posted on 16/10/11
Did you not read what I said about the company I work for?
The company I work for is Airbus, we have suppliers all over Europe, the US and China, all very different jurisdictions and we need to know the exact spend for accountancy purposes.
None of us know the answer to this question, I can see your point (whereas Moses made no decent points) but I just think it would be ridiculous to have no clue what games are shown where. And the only reason we got to this debate is because Moses knew he was wrong on the previous points.
posted on 16/10/11
Fred
Take your wife for a Carvery pal...
Break time..
posted on 16/10/11
comment by Reebok Bricks (U641
If you think it would be easy for the Prem to monitor 200 different media groups coverage of these games in countries all with different legal juristdictions, you are on another planet fella.
----------------------------------
Speaking of planets we monitor thousands of them millions of miles away but you think it would be difficult for us to monitor 200 different media groups.
I've never seen such a rubbish argument as this from you and moses.
I find it hard to believe that you are really so stupid as not to know that every single detail of who broadcasts what, when and where is recorded, scrutinsed and analysed so I can only assume you are just deliberately talking rubbish to antagonise.
posted on 16/10/11
I can't I live in France .
Plus I'm 20, why the hell would I have a wife?!?! Not that stupid .
posted on 16/10/11
Bob
Of course he's on the WUM, but it's always nice to show the idiots where they're wrong.
posted on 16/10/11
None of us know the answer to this question, I can see your point (whereas Moses made no decent points) but I just think it would be ridiculous to have no clue what games are shown where. And the only reason we got to this debate is because Moses knew he was wrong on the previous points.
--
I'm not saying we will have no clue, we might have some idea but we need to know the full picture before giving out payments.
Your idea will require a lot of extra staff, add extra resources, I'd rather just leave it as it is ....
posted on 16/10/11
Absolute nonsense.
In the words of the dragons
'Quite clearly you know nothing about business, and for that reason I'm out!'
posted on 16/10/11
Fred
I have worked in import & export in the IT industry.
They are physical products with proper import/export documents like Bills if Laden and manifest lists, so are much simpler than expoeting a vitual product like media.
Murdoch is far more interested in putting his available resources into breach of copyright than looking at the statistics of viewing of a product he has already received the money for.
posted on 16/10/11
Fred, one very big organization dealing with 200 very big organizations in deals that to some companies aren't the biggest deals they will deal with.
The potential (I'm not saying it will happen) is huge.
Its just another reason why we shouldn't change the deal, the current deal works well and if it isn't broke, don't fix it ...
posted on 16/10/11
I like your club, and you have great fans in the UK, but only three clubs have a fan base the size of Liverpool's and those are United, Madrid and Barca.
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You used short sales and website visits to back this point up?
posted on 16/10/11
*shirt.
posted on 16/10/11
Yeah I based my point on shorts . The football club with the biggest shorts wins.
So where are Bolton fans basing their "worldwide" fan base on? I look forward to your answer.
posted on 16/10/11
And 40000 fans at a training session doesn't do it for you then?
posted on 16/10/11
And 40000 fans at a training session doesn't do it for you then?
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Most people in Bolton and it's surrounding areas work!!
posted on 16/10/11
Fred wrote:
"I lose count of the amount of times I've seen how Liverpool want to "break away" when that is simply not true."
---
At the moment PL clubs have a collective bargaining agreement for overseas TV rights. In what sense is it incorrect to describe Ayers position as not wanting to break away from this?
The man wants to have his cake and eat it. He wants clubs like Bolton to turn up at Anfield to play your self important club in the Premier League and to receive an unequal share of the TV revenue. I say if he wants to stiff people like this, he should form his own break away league.
posted on 16/10/11
largehat
Perhaps Ian Ayre saying, "the debate is not Liverpool breaking away and selling our own rights."
Here, see the proof: http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/ayre-explains-tv-comments.
Also that training session was in Malaysia, so I don't know what your jibe about people in Bolton working was all about, care to explain?
Are you saying that nobody in Malaysia works? Little unfair, and probably a subject you know very little about.
If it was a jibe on Liverpool, shows your inability to read.
posted on 16/10/11
Perhaps Ian Ayre saying, "the debate is not Liverpool breaking away and selling our own rights."
---
No he just has issue with the way the rights are distributed, we aren't going to back down as it will cost us.
His second comments were nonsense and PR speak 'just wanting a debate' means that his comments weren't as popular as he thought.
posted on 16/10/11
Fred, I haven't said anything about a training session in Malaysia, people in Bolton working, or people in Malaysia not working.
Shows your inability to read.
posted on 16/10/11
No it means his words were twisted, as is commonplace with today's media.
Just accept when you're wrong!
The massive problem with England is the inability to reward success, work hard, get a decent job, earn a decent salary and the government just take more from it.
And you are an example of this, success should be rewarded, and with this current deal, it is not.
posted on 16/10/11
Oh 40k for a training session in Malaysia. That must generate a lot of income for the Prem. Not. Totally irrelavent comment.
You didn't answer my point about the logistics and statistics of selling a physical as opposed to a virtual product live over satellite which is not subject to border controls.
You also make yourself out to be some sort of commerce guru by claiming to work for Airbus, about 40% of the EADS group, ranked 241st in the Forbes biggest global companies list 2011. Turnover 60.7bil, profit 733mil.
I work for Cisco Systems, Forbes ranked 87th 2011. Turnover 42.1bil, profit 7.6bil.
We import/export both hardware and virtual products like software and cloud resources, so I do know an awful lot about the dynamics of dealing with virtual products.
Reading Ayres link you provide sounds like something in between a u-turn and an apology to save face.
posted on 16/10/11
No it means his words were twisted, as is commonplace with today's media.
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How were they twisted? did he call my team, did he not say he wanted Liverpool to have more money at the expense of my club?
He has claimed that the comments were misinterpreted as a sign of a breakaway but he still wants more money to go to the rich clubs.
---
And you are an example of this, success should be rewarded, and with this current deal, it is not.
--
The Premier league as a whole is a success we are part of that and you would be absolutely stupid to think that we don't deserve the money.
posted on 16/10/11
No need for the Premier League to know who is showing what as each individual club would be selling their own rights to the foreign TV companies, so believe me, they would know. Your comments are all ridiculous and you are making points on a topic which Ayre didn't even talk about. You feel that you would be disadvantaged and are complaining about it yet you are complaining about Liverpool fans who think they would be advantaged.
posted on 16/10/11
You feel that you would be disadvantaged and are complaining about it yet you are complaining about Liverpool fans who think they would be advantaged.
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We are arguing because it would put the league in danger just because of your MD's greed.
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