I was the one who made that point first, but I'm talking about the far greater cake that is the overseas money.

So, answer the question, rather that dodging it.

Right, so what you are saying is Bolton have a fan base as big as Liverpool's overseas?

And that Bolton have more games shown abroad?

And Bolton deserve as much money as Liverpool despite finishing lower than them during every season for as long as I can remember?

If that's what you're saying then I'll just leave the debate, because that's just being stubborn.

Mr Fred Commerce.

Mr Murdoch cannot charge tv licencing fees like the BBC.

His charges for his sole Prem broadcasting rights are based on subscription revenue in those countries, which is inextricably linked to the advertising revenue that those countries can generate during the showing of Prem games.

That IS how it works and until someone can negotioate a better way of doing it than Mr Murdoch, that is how things will remain.

Simples.

"So, answer the question, rather that dodging it."

Have you asked one?

Try again, and I'll do my best..

Yet again, I see absolutely no proof behind your ramblings.

Show me proof and I will concede and say I was wrong about being able to work out the games that are shown. If you can't then it's your word against mine.

And that's only a tiny bit of the debate, I also believe that income tax should be the same nationwide, meaning that if you earn more money you earn more money and you aren't punished for it.

In this debate, if Man United are shown more than anybody else, and win the league then they deserve a bigger slice of the cake than anybody else.

Why are you so against rewarding success? Yet to see a decent answer to this question.

See those question mark things - they look like this "?".

Minus the quotation marks for the thick skulls here.

Those are the points I would like to see your responses too, despite the fact that they are not grammatically a question, stop being pedantic just because you've lost a debate.

If you want to go into an English language discussion you've picked the wrong person, as I am a linguist.

And Bolton deserve as much money as Liverpool despite finishing lower than them during every season for as long as I can remember?

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Each Premier league team gets one vote, you need at least fourteen to get something passed.

ATM only no other club thinks like yours therefore we are not having a debate on it, thats how a democracy works.

And that's only a tiny bit of the debate, I also believe that income tax should be the same nationwide, meaning that if you earn more money you earn more money and you aren't punished for it.

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You are being rewarded, 50% of £150,000 is a lot more than 60% of £30,000.

I am not against rewarding success ....

Moses

Answer the question, do Bolton deserve as much money as Liverpool despite finishing below them?

Yes or no. It's a closed question.

as I am a linguist.


From Liverpool? Or Bristol? Or Bournemouth? Or France?

You massive Liverpool fans confuse me sometimes..

I'm assuming you think Knotty Ash is a kind of Tree??

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And that's only a tiny bit of the debate, I also believe that income tax should be the same nationwide, meaning that if you earn more money you earn more money and you aren't punished for it.

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You are being rewarded, 50% of £150,000 is a lot more than 60% of £30,000.

I am not against rewarding success ....
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You aren't against rewarding success but you say the successful clubs in the PL should not be rewarded?

Right, losing my patience.

Sorry Mr Commerce, but I thought it was common knowledge how Mr Murdoch generates income from selling overseas Prem tv rights.

If you can't be bothered doing a bit of simple internet research to prove I am right, I certainly aint going to do it for you.

You could have verified that I am right in the time it in less time than writing one of your pathetic ramblings!

Answer the question, do Bolton deserve as much money as Liverpool despite finishing below them?

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Yes.

This is how the league works, Liverpool agreed to this.

We are the supporting network, we add to what makes the league so great ....

You aren't against rewarding success but you say the successful clubs in the PL should not be rewarded?

Right, losing my patience.

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You do get rewarded, prize money from cups and TV rights .......

They like to move the goalposts though..


Remember the backdoor entry to the champions league..

Part won the thing by playing weak teams in the league.. Finish 5th, then cry...

Back in...

My phone is worth £15. The phones you have are worth £20,000,000. I want £10,000,000.

Which is exactly what is happening here.

For example, Liverpool are worth £1billion a year in terms of overseas TV revenue. Bolton are worth £100m. So Bolton want £550million. Which they are now getting. Which the Premier League and the voters have voted for. However why is it wrong to look at this situation and say, hold on a minute here, I think this is unfair, my business is getting the same as others, when we are generating the most income, this should be up for discussion. Let's debate about it.

I think that is within his rights to do. Whether people vote to agree with that is up to them but it is within his rights to voice his opinion on what his company should be allowed to do with their product.

Accept it and move on. Stop blaming him for things that he didn't say and stop insulting the club and its so-called non-success over the past twenty years.

This might be debated and it might not come to fruition but he is entitled to look for the best deal for the company he is employed to make money for.

"Right, losing my patience."


It's an Internet debate.. Calm down Son..

LaughingBoy - always happy to offer a smile and a thumbs up. God allowed me to be born a Bolton fan. Thank God. (U11262)

Are you saying the champions shouldn't defend their trophy?

You do get rewarded, prize money from cups and TV rights .......

So why are international TV rights different to those in the UK?

Laughingboy that has nothing to do with the matter at all, so why bring it up?

The deal is here, you guys are settling for an equal piece of the cake, despite the fact that a larger one would be open to anybody including yourselves.

So what you are saying is that you are not a good enough club to capitalise on the opportunity of getting more revenue from international TV rights.

If Liverpool finish 12th and you finish 8th then you deserve more money than us, fair enough.

"My phone is worth £15. The phones you have are worth £20,000,000. I want £10,000,000.

Which is exactly what is happening here."

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It's nothing to do with the price of the individual phones, it's the price of the company selling them.

The Premiership is the selling product, not the Premiership featuring Liverpool and some others...


Ps; wouldn't actually winning the Premiership give you more licence to ask for more money? You've won it the same number of times as us?!

So what you are saying is that you are not a good enough club to capitalise on the opportunity of getting more revenue from international TV rights.

If Liverpool finish 12th and you finish 8th then you deserve more money than us, fair enough.

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So you have gone from defending your chairman who was saying that TV deals should be based on support to saying that it should be rewarded on success?

Trying to fill your pockets?

I would rather see the smaller clubs survive than us taking their support away .....

LaughingBoy

Not a point I brought up.

Ps; wouldn't actually winning the Premiership give you more licence to ask for more money? You've won it the same number of times as us?!

And that is a ridiculous thing to say, anybody is entitled to want to change the current system, not just the PL winners.

Moses

Have you actually read the interview I posted five or six times? Be honest now.

How on earth do you know what any teams overseas rights are worth?

Mr Murdoch couldn't count work it out and neither could the Prem.

It is just too arbitrary when the revenue is generated by subscriptions for Prem coverage in 220 different countries.

All clubs agreed overseas right should be distributed evenly because of this until Mr Ayres, the far Eastern Badminton media guru, opened his stupid mouth!

Fred


You've made a monopoly of ridiculous comments, it's not just limited to fans of big clubs you know...

So.... Knotty Ash... You been??