Q1: If you burgle my house, are you a burglar?
YES
Q2: If you burgle my house, but Evra says you are not a burglar, are you still a burglar?
YES
I have no idea of the relevance of the above questions, but there you go!
Now answer mine - simple
red_man23 ,
"Don't be so flippant" is neither yes or no.
If you have a multiple choice exam, A, B, C or D, you wouldn't get any marks for answering:
"Don't be so flippant"
Would you?
And it was me who was being told i was dodging questions - thats the funny part in all this.
If you burgle you are a burglar
If you racially discriminate you are a racist
If you use racist language to offend - you are racially offensive
If you use racist language because you racially discriminate you are a racist
If you use racist language to rile someone because of the team they play for and you know it will annoy them you are annoying, offensive and use racist language but ARE NOT RACIST!!
CutMeAndIBleedRed,
Q2: If you burgle my house, but Evra says you are not a burglar, are you still a burglar?
YES
==========================
Exactly, so why is Evra's opinion being taken into account on another subject, that he has not set any legal or moral boundaries for? He has an opinion, just like the millions of other people.
That aside, he did say Suarez was a racist.
And it was me who was being told i was dodging questions - thats the funny part in all this.
As you still are - why are you laughing about that? And you wonder why people disregard your comments? I was prepared to give you a chance and have a debate with you, but you are obviously just as TOOR described - or are you FINALLY going to answer MY question?
Chicken
I just gave the answer the question deserved. This isn't an exam it's a football forum. I've given my explanations of the definition of racism, more than once. You've ignored it and failed to give a sensible counter argument.
If you ask a silly question you get a silly answer.
Now could you have a bash at answering my question?
Chicken (on a Basketball) ©™ (U1043)
And it was me who was being told i was dodging questions - thats the funny part in all this.
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Show me the answer to his question then Chicken, all you have done is keep repeating yourself over and bloody over again!
toor has already told you the answer to both was yes.
That aside, he did say Suarez was a racist.
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He said he was not a rascist actually.
Your questions are moot and totally irrelevant not to mention an extremely lame attempt to draw a parallel to reinforce an already weak argument.
CutMeAndIBleedRed
I was prepared to give you a chance and have a debate with you
=================
Prepared to GIVE ME a chance? ...not arrogant.
Much.
jenners,
I can see they were both YES.
Point proven - as i knew they would be. We got there in the end though.
'Exactly, so why is Evra's opinion being taken into account on another subject, that he has not set any legal or moral boundaries for? He has an opinion, just like the millions of other people.'
Because burglary is a physical thing - you DO something. Racism is a state of mind you THINK something - the two cannot be compared. It like questioning if someone has a broken leg or if someone has depression - one is physical (you can't argue a leg is broken - xray will prove it), the other is mental (you could argue the person isn't depressed they just feel sorry for themselves).
'That aside, he did say Suarez was a racist.'
You can say that all you want, but he didn't!
Evra said he loves Suarez and made it all up to get his attention - see I can do that too - doesn't prove anything!
To think he has spent all afternoon arguing about something, even when he knows it isn't true just to annoy people is somewhat concerning about his mental state.
You could say I am worse as I knew what he is like but whilst others gave him a chance, he has once again proved how mentally unstable he is. Sad, so sad.
CutMeAndIBleedRed
Because burglary is a physical thing - you DO something. Racism is a state of mind you THINK something
================
So Suarez said it without opening his mouth?
CLEVER.
Prepared to GIVE ME a chance? ...not arrogant. Much.
No - not arrogant. You have a reputation, you are living up to it. I was prepared to give you a chance and make up my ownh mind - if you think that is arrogant then i feel sorry for you!
Still no answer to my question then? If you hit a women are you sexist?
So Suarez said it without opening his mouth?
CLEVER.
EXACTLY!!!!!! racism is how you FEEL and THINK about another race! Racist language is WORDS. He used racist WORDS - it does not mean he THINKS certain races are inferior! Or do you now think that if you don't say racist things you are NOT a racist?!!!
comment by CutMeAndIBleedRed (U7593)
posted 1 minute ago
So Suarez said it without opening his mouth?
CLEVER.
EXACTLY!!!!!! racism is how you FEEL and THINK about another race! Racist language is WORDS. He used racist WORDS - it does not mean he THINKS certain races are inferior! Or do you now think that if you don't say racist things you are NOT a racist?!!!
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I think that's when we say; game, set and match!
CutMeAndIBleedRed
If you hit a women are you sexist?
======================
No, i would be a violent thug, unless i shouted "You silly woman idiot, i hate all woman, here have that because i hate women" whilst slapping her.
Anyway, i'm off down the pub.....enjoy.
comment by Chicken (on a Basketball) ©™ (U1043)
posted 1 minute ago
CutMeAndIBleedRed
If you hit a women are you sexist?
======================
No, i would be a violent thug, unless i shouted "You silly woman idiot, i hate all woman, here have that because i hate women" whilst slapping her.
Anyway, i'm off down the pub.....enjoy.
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You would have abused a woman.
You would not be sexist.
Suarez was judged to have abused a black man.
Suarez is not racist.
Easy.
We could have saved all the trouble if you'd answered the simple questions.
'No, i would be a violent thug, unless i shouted "You silly woman idiot, i hate all woman, here have that because i hate women" whilst slapping her.'
WOOOOOO HOOOOOO finally!
Simple:
If you hit a woman you are violent not a sexist
If you hit a black man you are violent not racist.
If you hit a woman BECAUSE you don't like women you are sexist.
If you hit a black man BECAUSE of his colour you are racist.
If you call a woman a sl*g for spilling your drink you are offensive and using sexist language - you are NOT sexist.
If you call a black man a n***** for spilling your drink you are offensive and using racist language but NOT a racist!
If you call a woman a sl*g because you don't like women you are offensive, using sexist language and you ARE sexist.
If you call a black man a n*****because you don't like black people you are offensive, using racist language and ARE a racist!
Simple isn't it?! No burglars required! You surely understand this simple principle and have no (logical, coherent) counter argument?
There'sOnlyOneRedsYou would have abused a woman.
You would not be sexist.
Suarez was judged to have abused a black man.
Suarez is not racist.
=====================
But thats the whole point, Suarez didnt just abuse a black man, he didnt abuse him for wearing odd socks, he abused him in a racial manner - which makes it racist.
How can you not see that?
Oh...and happy Paddy's Day, for anyone who is Irish.
Have a ..on me.
Oh & once could be called "in the heat of the moment", ten times is blatant racist. You might want to consider how your morals are coming across on here before protecting a person just because they wear a Liverpool badge on their chest. And for how long?
Players come & go, your morals should be more important.
Chicken
So you've changed tack now. You were arguing whether saying something once makes you 'a racist'.
Where did the magic 10 times come from?
red_man23
So you've changed tack now. You were arguing whether saying something once makes you 'a racist'.
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No i wasn't, i was just further backing up my point, thats all.
Chicken
How?
I'll ask again, where did the 10 times come from?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/dec/20/luis-suarez-patrice-evra-racism
The allegations centred around an incident during a Premier League fixture between Liverpool and Manchester United at Anfield on 15 October, during which Evra claimed Suárez racially abused him "at least 10 times".
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posted on 16/3/12
Q1: If you burgle my house, are you a burglar?
YES
Q2: If you burgle my house, but Evra says you are not a burglar, are you still a burglar?
YES
I have no idea of the relevance of the above questions, but there you go!
Now answer mine - simple
posted on 16/3/12
red_man23 ,
"Don't be so flippant" is neither yes or no.
If you have a multiple choice exam, A, B, C or D, you wouldn't get any marks for answering:
"Don't be so flippant"
Would you?
And it was me who was being told i was dodging questions - thats the funny part in all this.
posted on 16/3/12
If you burgle you are a burglar
If you racially discriminate you are a racist
If you use racist language to offend - you are racially offensive
If you use racist language because you racially discriminate you are a racist
If you use racist language to rile someone because of the team they play for and you know it will annoy them you are annoying, offensive and use racist language but ARE NOT RACIST!!
posted on 16/3/12
CutMeAndIBleedRed,
Q2: If you burgle my house, but Evra says you are not a burglar, are you still a burglar?
YES
==========================
Exactly, so why is Evra's opinion being taken into account on another subject, that he has not set any legal or moral boundaries for? He has an opinion, just like the millions of other people.
That aside, he did say Suarez was a racist.
posted on 16/3/12
And it was me who was being told i was dodging questions - thats the funny part in all this.
As you still are - why are you laughing about that? And you wonder why people disregard your comments? I was prepared to give you a chance and have a debate with you, but you are obviously just as TOOR described - or are you FINALLY going to answer MY question?
posted on 16/3/12
Chicken
I just gave the answer the question deserved. This isn't an exam it's a football forum. I've given my explanations of the definition of racism, more than once. You've ignored it and failed to give a sensible counter argument.
If you ask a silly question you get a silly answer.
Now could you have a bash at answering my question?
posted on 16/3/12
Chicken (on a Basketball) ©™ (U1043)
And it was me who was being told i was dodging questions - thats the funny part in all this.
---------------------------------
Show me the answer to his question then Chicken, all you have done is keep repeating yourself over and bloody over again!
toor has already told you the answer to both was yes.
posted on 16/3/12
That aside, he did say Suarez was a racist.
-----------
He said he was not a rascist actually.
Your questions are moot and totally irrelevant not to mention an extremely lame attempt to draw a parallel to reinforce an already weak argument.
posted on 16/3/12
CutMeAndIBleedRed
I was prepared to give you a chance and have a debate with you
=================
Prepared to GIVE ME a chance? ...not arrogant.
Much.
posted on 16/3/12
jenners,
I can see they were both YES.
Point proven - as i knew they would be. We got there in the end though.
posted on 16/3/12
'Exactly, so why is Evra's opinion being taken into account on another subject, that he has not set any legal or moral boundaries for? He has an opinion, just like the millions of other people.'
Because burglary is a physical thing - you DO something. Racism is a state of mind you THINK something - the two cannot be compared. It like questioning if someone has a broken leg or if someone has depression - one is physical (you can't argue a leg is broken - xray will prove it), the other is mental (you could argue the person isn't depressed they just feel sorry for themselves).
'That aside, he did say Suarez was a racist.'
You can say that all you want, but he didn't!
Evra said he loves Suarez and made it all up to get his attention - see I can do that too - doesn't prove anything!
posted on 16/3/12
To think he has spent all afternoon arguing about something, even when he knows it isn't true just to annoy people is somewhat concerning about his mental state.
You could say I am worse as I knew what he is like but whilst others gave him a chance, he has once again proved how mentally unstable he is. Sad, so sad.
posted on 16/3/12
CutMeAndIBleedRed
Because burglary is a physical thing - you DO something. Racism is a state of mind you THINK something
================
So Suarez said it without opening his mouth?
CLEVER.
posted on 16/3/12
Prepared to GIVE ME a chance? ...not arrogant. Much.
No - not arrogant. You have a reputation, you are living up to it. I was prepared to give you a chance and make up my ownh mind - if you think that is arrogant then i feel sorry for you!
Still no answer to my question then? If you hit a women are you sexist?
posted on 16/3/12
So Suarez said it without opening his mouth?
CLEVER.
EXACTLY!!!!!! racism is how you FEEL and THINK about another race! Racist language is WORDS. He used racist WORDS - it does not mean he THINKS certain races are inferior! Or do you now think that if you don't say racist things you are NOT a racist?!!!
posted on 16/3/12
comment by CutMeAndIBleedRed (U7593)
posted 1 minute ago
So Suarez said it without opening his mouth?
CLEVER.
EXACTLY!!!!!! racism is how you FEEL and THINK about another race! Racist language is WORDS. He used racist WORDS - it does not mean he THINKS certain races are inferior! Or do you now think that if you don't say racist things you are NOT a racist?!!!
-----------------------------------------------
I think that's when we say; game, set and match!
posted on 16/3/12
CutMeAndIBleedRed
If you hit a women are you sexist?
======================
No, i would be a violent thug, unless i shouted "You silly woman idiot, i hate all woman, here have that because i hate women" whilst slapping her.
Anyway, i'm off down the pub.....enjoy.
posted on 16/3/12
comment by Chicken (on a Basketball) ©™ (U1043)
posted 1 minute ago
CutMeAndIBleedRed
If you hit a women are you sexist?
======================
No, i would be a violent thug, unless i shouted "You silly woman idiot, i hate all woman, here have that because i hate women" whilst slapping her.
Anyway, i'm off down the pub.....enjoy.
--------------------------------------
You would have abused a woman.
You would not be sexist.
Suarez was judged to have abused a black man.
Suarez is not racist.
Easy.
We could have saved all the trouble if you'd answered the simple questions.
posted on 16/3/12
'No, i would be a violent thug, unless i shouted "You silly woman idiot, i hate all woman, here have that because i hate women" whilst slapping her.'
WOOOOOO HOOOOOO finally!
Simple:
If you hit a woman you are violent not a sexist
If you hit a black man you are violent not racist.
If you hit a woman BECAUSE you don't like women you are sexist.
If you hit a black man BECAUSE of his colour you are racist.
If you call a woman a sl*g for spilling your drink you are offensive and using sexist language - you are NOT sexist.
If you call a black man a n***** for spilling your drink you are offensive and using racist language but NOT a racist!
If you call a woman a sl*g because you don't like women you are offensive, using sexist language and you ARE sexist.
If you call a black man a n*****because you don't like black people you are offensive, using racist language and ARE a racist!
Simple isn't it?! No burglars required! You surely understand this simple principle and have no (logical, coherent) counter argument?
posted on 17/3/12
There'sOnlyOneRedsYou would have abused a woman.
You would not be sexist.
Suarez was judged to have abused a black man.
Suarez is not racist.
=====================
But thats the whole point, Suarez didnt just abuse a black man, he didnt abuse him for wearing odd socks, he abused him in a racial manner - which makes it racist.
How can you not see that?
Oh...and happy Paddy's Day, for anyone who is Irish.
Have a ..on me.
posted on 17/3/12
Oh & once could be called "in the heat of the moment", ten times is blatant racist. You might want to consider how your morals are coming across on here before protecting a person just because they wear a Liverpool badge on their chest. And for how long?
Players come & go, your morals should be more important.
posted on 17/3/12
Chicken
So you've changed tack now. You were arguing whether saying something once makes you 'a racist'.
Where did the magic 10 times come from?
posted on 17/3/12
red_man23
So you've changed tack now. You were arguing whether saying something once makes you 'a racist'.
===================
No i wasn't, i was just further backing up my point, thats all.
posted on 17/3/12
Chicken
How?
I'll ask again, where did the 10 times come from?
posted on 17/3/12
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/dec/20/luis-suarez-patrice-evra-racism
The allegations centred around an incident during a Premier League fixture between Liverpool and Manchester United at Anfield on 15 October, during which Evra claimed Suárez racially abused him "at least 10 times".
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