Well, using Palmer as an example, he obviously poses a huge threat with his running, passing and ball striking. But it was Palmer who also gave the ball away on the halfway line for Yamals big chance at around 80ish minutes. Southgate knows he has that in him, which is why I think he prefers him as a sub.

That's not a dig at Palmer, he's still a young lad with just the one season under his belt, it's natural.

However, I personally wouldn't have minded if Palmer came in for Foden as he just wasn't doing anything for the majority of the tournament. He wasn't giving it away in bad areas, but he also wasn't contributing much the other end.

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Tu Meke I remember the other day you were calling for Southgate to start the same team in the Final and just keep the likes of Palmer and Watkins as super subs to stick on late in the game if needed. Do you still believe that was the right call ?
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I said I could see a case for Palmer starting ahead of foden. But I doubt it would have made much of a difference. Palmer did well as a sub, as expected.
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We were crap in the final so I assume you're saying we'd have been crap no matter who started. Despite the fact that we had some fantastic and fresh attacking players ready to start instead of the knackered, out of form players Southgate insisted on starting.
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Well yeah, Netherlands first half aside, we didn't play well at all. Don't think it was a matter of freshness (I was calling for kane to be dropped). The way Southgate plays just doesn't suit attacking play, so naturally the attackers will look inhibited.

He's clearly wedded to players he trusts. He was never going to change the lineup for a final.
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Palmer didn't look too inhibited. We scored 5 goals in the 135 minutes Palmer played this tournament compared to only 3 goals in the 500+ minutes he didn't play.

Southgate could and should have used Palmer, Watkins and Gordon far more than he did. We'd have struggled a lot less than we did to scrape to the Final on the easy side of the draw and the players may well have been much fresher than they were for the Final. Kane, Bellingham and Foden mostly looked cooked by the Final and none of them had any impact on the game at all.

comment by Oscar #TeamFury. #Trump2024 #BringBackMourinho... (U12980)
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If it was a £10m purchase instead of a £100m purchase he’d have already been sacked
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I don't want him at the club anymore tbh. This isn't going to get forgotten anytime soon and rightly so. We have loads of black players in the squad. How are they going to feel about working with him everyday ? It's going to be a toxic atmosphere.

The damage isn’t irreparable but a lot of work needs to be done to fix things

Lol Palmer is actually really good defensively. Puts in a proper shift. Rice gave the ball away against Switzerland and they scored. He probably shouldn’t be in the team as well.

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Tu Meke I remember the other day you were calling for Southgate to start the same team in the Final and just keep the likes of Palmer and Watkins as super subs to stick on late in the game if needed. Do you still believe that was the right call ?
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I said I could see a case for Palmer starting ahead of foden. But I doubt it would have made much of a difference. Palmer did well as a sub, as expected.
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We were crap in the final so I assume you're saying we'd have been crap no matter who started. Despite the fact that we had some fantastic and fresh attacking players ready to start instead of the knackered, out of form players Southgate insisted on starting.
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Well yeah, Netherlands first half aside, we didn't play well at all. Don't think it was a matter of freshness (I was calling for kane to be dropped). The way Southgate plays just doesn't suit attacking play, so naturally the attackers will look inhibited.

He's clearly wedded to players he trusts. He was never going to change the lineup for a final.
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Palmer didn't look too inhibited. We scored 5 goals in the 135 minutes Palmer played this tournament compared to only 3 goals in the 500+ minutes he didn't play.

Southgate could and should have used Palmer, Watkins and Gordon far more than he did. We'd have struggled a lot less than we did to scrape to the Final on the easy side of the draw and the players may well have been much fresher than they were for the Final. Kane, Bellingham and Foden mostly looked cooked by the Final and none of them had any impact on the game at all.
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That makes sense when you consider they were coming on against tired legs. We also scored a few goals when foden went off the pitch (almost as soon as he went off in fact). I don't think that's a coincidence.

I think Toney should've started instead of kane in virtually all the games tbh. Watkins didn't do much in his sub appearance in the final, I thought he assisted Palmer's goal, but it turned out to be Bellingham. But I agree they shouldve been given more time, especially Toney.

comment by ＴＬＬＬ (U4640)
posted 4 minutes ago
Lol Palmer is actually really good defensively. Puts in a proper shift. Rice gave the ball away against Switzerland and they scored. He probably shouldn’t be in the team as well.
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That's not what I said at all.

I said Palmer can give it away in dangerous areas trying to force an attack, as shown by Yamals chance around the 80th minute. Which could be a reason why Southgate didn't start him ahead of foden.

As for rice, I thought he did very well securing the midfield (basically on his own) all tournament. You're going to make the odd mistake in that scenario.

I think Rice was exposed in these Euros as lacking progressive passing and agst Spain as lacking the technical ability to play agst a good press. I dont rate him much higher than Matic in his prime.

comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 1 minute ago
I think Rice was exposed in these Euros as lacking progressive passing and agst Spain as lacking the technical ability to play agst a good press. I dont rate him much higher than Matic in his prime.

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Doesn't the PL have teams that press well? It definitely ought to.

I said Palmer can give it away in dangerous areas trying to force an attack, as shown by Yamals chance around the 80th minute. Which could be a reason why Southgate didn't start him ahead of foden.
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Yeah but that is just one example of him giving it away in a dangerous position. You can do that for all players. He rarely ever made mistakes like that at Chelsea. You’ve been going on about his defensive side of the game as if he’s a liability which he isn’t.

comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 7 minutes ago
I think Rice was exposed in these Euros as lacking progressive passing and agst Spain as lacking the technical ability to play agst a good press. I dont rate him much higher than Matic in his prime.



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It's an issue. I think he has the ability, but not quite the bravery. It was his pass from midfield that broke the lines against the Netherlands for Watkins goal, for instance. He needs to do that more, but I think he sees it as a risk.

comment by ＴＬＬＬ (U4640)
posted 13 minutes ago
I said Palmer can give it away in dangerous areas trying to force an attack, as shown by Yamals chance around the 80th minute. Which could be a reason why Southgate didn't start him ahead of foden.
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Yeah but that is just one example of him giving it away in a dangerous position. You can do that for all players. He rarely ever made mistakes like that at Chelsea. You’ve been going on about his defensive side of the game as if he’s a liability which he isn’t.
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When have I mentioned his defensive side of the game? I've just said it's his desire to force attacks that Southgate doesn't like. I don't have an issue with his defensive application.

Rice's passing all tournament exposed his limitations. Not world class imo.

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I think Rice was exposed in these Euros as lacking progressive passing and agst Spain as lacking the technical ability to play agst a good press. I dont rate him much higher than Matic in his prime.

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Doesn't the PL have teams that press well? It definitely ought to.


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Not as many as you think and not for the majority of the game. Most teams sit back

I don't have many memories of Palmer defending well for Chelsea when we don't have the ball tbh. But with the ball, his retention is usually excellent

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Tu Meke I remember the other day you were calling for Southgate to start the same team in the Final and just keep the likes of Palmer and Watkins as super subs to stick on late in the game if needed. Do you still believe that was the right call ?
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I said I could see a case for Palmer starting ahead of foden. But I doubt it would have made much of a difference. Palmer did well as a sub, as expected.
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We were crap in the final so I assume you're saying we'd have been crap no matter who started. Despite the fact that we had some fantastic and fresh attacking players ready to start instead of the knackered, out of form players Southgate insisted on starting.
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Well yeah, Netherlands first half aside, we didn't play well at all. Don't think it was a matter of freshness (I was calling for kane to be dropped). The way Southgate plays just doesn't suit attacking play, so naturally the attackers will look inhibited.

He's clearly wedded to players he trusts. He was never going to change the lineup for a final.
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Palmer didn't look too inhibited. We scored 5 goals in the 135 minutes Palmer played this tournament compared to only 3 goals in the 500+ minutes he didn't play.

Southgate could and should have used Palmer, Watkins and Gordon far more than he did. We'd have struggled a lot less than we did to scrape to the Final on the easy side of the draw and the players may well have been much fresher than they were for the Final. Kane, Bellingham and Foden mostly looked cooked by the Final and none of them had any impact on the game at all.
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That makes sense when you consider they were coming on against tired legs. We also scored a few goals when foden went off the pitch (almost as soon as he went off in fact). I don't think that's a coincidence.

I think Toney should've started instead of kane in virtually all the games tbh. Watkins didn't do much in his sub appearance in the final, I thought he assisted Palmer's goal, but it turned out to be Bellingham. But I agree they shouldve been given more time, especially Toney.
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I would love to have seen more of Toney in the tourno. He must fuming knowing now that he was brought as nothing more than a penalty taker.

I'd give Southgate about 3/10 in terms of squad management and picking his team in this tournament. Absolute garbage tbh.

comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 1 day, 2 hours ago
That song has sinister undertones not just cause it's racist but to me it's also the singers of the song kinda boasting how ethically pure their own team is in comparison
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But then ironic as Argentina is literally a country of immigrants

Cole Palmer's FF price is a bit feckin steep this year.

5.2m last season 10.5m this season

comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 34 minutes ago
Cole Palmer's FF price is a bit feckin steep this year.
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Oh yeah...gotta pick him tho

comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 1 hour, 4 minutes ago
5.2m last season 10.5m this season
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Highest price jump in FF history
And Haaland most expensive player ever in FF.. 15m

comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 34 minutes ago
Cole Palmer's FF price is a bit feckin steep this year.
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Oh yeah...gotta pick him tho
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I am sure I will at some stage, but might not straight away

Just done my FF

Not bad for a first attempt...Palms in

Nkunku is 6.5 and classified as a midfielder

Tempting, even tho he’ll probably get injured straight away

comment by CSTP (U1453)
posted 11 minutes ago
Nkunku is 6.5 and classified as a midfielder

Tempting, even tho he’ll probably get injured straight away
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Yes it's good value tbf.