The only thing that can be blamed on the supporters who were the is that they were there and trusted the people in control to keep them safe. For years Rev has peddled his nonsense and for years he was informed that the Taylor Report found that there was no evidence to say there were fans without tickets, in fact there was evidence to the contrary, the stand was around capacity, meaning people couldn't possibly be crushed UNLESS there was no crowd controll showing people where to go and they all ended up in the central pen. There has been a second report which has confirmed this after going through half a million documents yet some blithering idiot like you thinks differently and disrespects the poor innocent people who died and their families. Youdo this to wind people up, you did it on BBC too. You're the lowest of the low.
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Strett
Exactly .
There had been history as far as the Leppings Lane end is concerned. Is Rev suggesting that 'drunken, ticketless' Spurs fans were responsible for the crush in 1981? No because that isn't a myth peddled by The S_n.
Yeah I remember there being a right tool on the old 606 TOOR. I can forgive people who were angry about the events that happened that day, but the self-righteous arséholes who are so embittered that they hate anyone who supports Liverpool regardless are just pathetic.
Rev's arguments are full of holes. Things he's witnessed from outside, when he's already said he was inside the stadium with no possible view. His mate 666 said he saw people pushing and laughing at the back. Was that with your go-go-gadget eyes that you could see that, because I find it a struggle to make out facial expressions from 120 yards away?
Basically, I think they're full of shít and just out to attention-seek.
strett ☆☆ (U1462)
You thought something different a few months a go though didnt you going by this thread?
http://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/106097
Now everyone is entitled to change their opinion but you were much more forthright in where you laid the blame in April?
The P.M., Police, FA and a certain "news"paper have all come out and apologised.
Not only did none of them blame the Liverpool fans (either with or without tickets) , but every single one of them categorically stated that Liverpool fans were not to blame in any way.
Why is this so difficult to understand?
Be a Grizzly
If some people are to be believed the only reason apologies have been issued is for politically correct reasons. That and to entice favourable votes from the public.
It's sad isn't it?
No Didi, I wasn't there, I was watching at home on tv, being a Derby fan and all.. don't worry about making assumptions and believing what you want to though, it seems to be something of a running theme with your lot.
Are you suggesting then that those at the back of the crowd pushing were not laughing and joking? That they knew what was happening at the front? I'd rather hope you would also like to believe that they were ignorant of the consequences of their actions, but perhaps you know otherwise.
As I've said all along, I'd have expected better behaviour from your fans on that day; you all keep citing "other football fans of other clubs" but you'd just lost people in Heysel; where were the lessons YOU learned? Everyone's rightly pointing out the near-misses at Hillsborough which the authorities failed to effectively act upon, yet it is quite clear the Red fans at the back had learned nothing from Heysel at all.
Nobody's buying the Sun's version of "The Truth" and I don't think many did at the time (urinating on the bodies of their fellow fans? Really? Robbing them?!!) but the fact remains that, despite this latest version of events, some of us will always apportion blame to those doing the pushing; they shouldn't have been allowed to push, certainly, but they also should have learned the lessons of Heysel and didn't, resulting in more deaths.
Yes Strett has always thought differently, I remember him well but it's not something to abuse him over, he now thinks differently and is man enough to change his opinion when others are clearly not and he should be respected for that.
Propaganda is very dangerous when something is peddled for years people accept it as truth.
TOOR-
where in my post did i abuse him?? I also stated he was well within his right to change his opinion. If he has done that then ive no problem. But again i dont think i abused him?
Why do you keep comparing Heysel you idiot? They are not the same! There was fighting going on there and it's clear fans were to blame but Hillsborough was not calculated and was not the fault of the fans you twit. The middle pen was over capacity but the sides way under why is that so difficult to understand? Two reports said it, the PM said it and everybody else is saying it! You fecking cant!
Where did I state you abused him?
TOOR
Yes Strett has always thought differently, I remember him well but it's not something to abuse him over,
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was that not aimed at me? if not then i apologise.
Do you even understand Heysel, TOOR?
The wall wasn't punched over, or felled by a flying chair seat; it was overcome by the momentum of a whole load of people pressing against it, and the people at the front were crushed.
It's VERY relevant to Hillsborough; the causes were entirely different, but the actions of the Liverpool fans very, very similar; pushing and pushing with no thought to the consequences, to those innocents at the front.
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I'm just gonna ignore these idiots from now on and I suggest everybody else do the same. If two reports doesn't do it for them nothing will. They just want to wind people up over people dying. They are disgusting, the lowest of the low and shouldn't be conversed with when they are anonymous, it would be great in person though, see what the slimey idiots say then when not hiding behind a computer. I advise you all to just ignore them and let the admin deal with them.
It wasnt aimed at you it was just advice for the people who would read your comment.
Anyone who takes offence at being called "an anonymous slimey idiot who's hiding behind a computer" should send their complaints to
Mr T. Onlyonereds
c/o ja606
1, Superhigh Way
Hypocritsville
Tinternets.
I've been living in Derby for 10 years now and am well used to the behaviour of some of the Forest (and Derby) fans. They are the most bovine people I have ever encountered. You won't be able to change their minds, because some of them are mindless.
Ignore them.
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comment by 666: Unfiltered (U11795) posted 59 minutes ago
No Didi, I wasn't there, I was watching at home on tv, being a Derby fan and all.. don't worry about making assumptions and believing what you want to though, it seems to be something of a running theme with your lot.
Are you suggesting then that those at the back of the crowd pushing were not laughing and joking? That they knew what was happening at the front? I'd rather hope you would also like to believe that they were ignorant of the consequences of their actions, but perhaps you know otherwise.
As I've said all along, I'd have expected better behaviour from your fans on that day
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This was the eighties.
You really think any group of supporters in the UK would have queued in an orderly fasion when the kick off had already taken place? it's nonsensical to have expected that at a FA Cup semifinal
I don't think anyone is suggesting there wasn't pushing and shoving. Of course there was but how can the boisterous ones at the back have possibly known what was going on at the front? To them, it was pefectly normal behavior from exhuberant fans back in the 80s. They wern't fighting. they wern't clambouring over each other to get in. I can't see how they could have known everyone was being funneled into the same 2 pens
The authorities really should have been better prepared and I disagree when the Chief Constable when he says fans made their job harder. It looked like the fans who knew what was going on were doing everything they could to help. Pulling people into the top tier, fans running across the pitch carrying the wounded etc.
If the chief is referring tothe ones pushing and shoving trying to get in, then he's an idiot. That was normal behavior from football fans wanting to get in to see their team and it really should have been prepared for.
What saddens me is a simple 'We will not be kicking off until everyone is in the ground safely' may have aleviated the problem.. maybe... but one thing is for sure, and this is why I would never really lay the blame at Liverpool supporters. If I was struggling to get in, and I could hear the roar of the crowd knowing the match was being played, I cannot say for sure that I would not have been pushing too. None of them could have possibly known what was going on at the front.
Just my take
comment by strett ☆☆ (U1462) posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
I now believe that ANY clubs' fans there that day would have suffered similarly.
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posted on 14/9/12
The only thing that can be blamed on the supporters who were the is that they were there and trusted the people in control to keep them safe. For years Rev has peddled his nonsense and for years he was informed that the Taylor Report found that there was no evidence to say there were fans without tickets, in fact there was evidence to the contrary, the stand was around capacity, meaning people couldn't possibly be crushed UNLESS there was no crowd controll showing people where to go and they all ended up in the central pen. There has been a second report which has confirmed this after going through half a million documents yet some blithering idiot like you thinks differently and disrespects the poor innocent people who died and their families. Youdo this to wind people up, you did it on BBC too. You're the lowest of the low.
posted on 14/9/12
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posted on 14/9/12
Strett
Exactly .
There had been history as far as the Leppings Lane end is concerned. Is Rev suggesting that 'drunken, ticketless' Spurs fans were responsible for the crush in 1981? No because that isn't a myth peddled by The S_n.
posted on 14/9/12
Yeah I remember there being a right tool on the old 606 TOOR. I can forgive people who were angry about the events that happened that day, but the self-righteous arséholes who are so embittered that they hate anyone who supports Liverpool regardless are just pathetic.
Rev's arguments are full of holes. Things he's witnessed from outside, when he's already said he was inside the stadium with no possible view. His mate 666 said he saw people pushing and laughing at the back. Was that with your go-go-gadget eyes that you could see that, because I find it a struggle to make out facial expressions from 120 yards away?
Basically, I think they're full of shít and just out to attention-seek.
posted on 14/9/12
It's true Didi.
posted on 14/9/12
strett ☆☆ (U1462)
You thought something different a few months a go though didnt you going by this thread?
http://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/106097
Now everyone is entitled to change their opinion but you were much more forthright in where you laid the blame in April?
posted on 14/9/12
The P.M., Police, FA and a certain "news"paper have all come out and apologised.
Not only did none of them blame the Liverpool fans (either with or without tickets) , but every single one of them categorically stated that Liverpool fans were not to blame in any way.
Why is this so difficult to understand?
posted on 14/9/12
Be a Grizzly
If some people are to be believed the only reason apologies have been issued is for politically correct reasons. That and to entice favourable votes from the public.
It's sad isn't it?
posted on 14/9/12
No Didi, I wasn't there, I was watching at home on tv, being a Derby fan and all.. don't worry about making assumptions and believing what you want to though, it seems to be something of a running theme with your lot.
Are you suggesting then that those at the back of the crowd pushing were not laughing and joking? That they knew what was happening at the front? I'd rather hope you would also like to believe that they were ignorant of the consequences of their actions, but perhaps you know otherwise.
As I've said all along, I'd have expected better behaviour from your fans on that day; you all keep citing "other football fans of other clubs" but you'd just lost people in Heysel; where were the lessons YOU learned? Everyone's rightly pointing out the near-misses at Hillsborough which the authorities failed to effectively act upon, yet it is quite clear the Red fans at the back had learned nothing from Heysel at all.
Nobody's buying the Sun's version of "The Truth" and I don't think many did at the time (urinating on the bodies of their fellow fans? Really? Robbing them?!!) but the fact remains that, despite this latest version of events, some of us will always apportion blame to those doing the pushing; they shouldn't have been allowed to push, certainly, but they also should have learned the lessons of Heysel and didn't, resulting in more deaths.
posted on 14/9/12
Yes Strett has always thought differently, I remember him well but it's not something to abuse him over, he now thinks differently and is man enough to change his opinion when others are clearly not and he should be respected for that.
Propaganda is very dangerous when something is peddled for years people accept it as truth.
posted on 14/9/12
TOOR-
where in my post did i abuse him?? I also stated he was well within his right to change his opinion. If he has done that then ive no problem. But again i dont think i abused him?
posted on 14/9/12
Why do you keep comparing Heysel you idiot? They are not the same! There was fighting going on there and it's clear fans were to blame but Hillsborough was not calculated and was not the fault of the fans you twit. The middle pen was over capacity but the sides way under why is that so difficult to understand? Two reports said it, the PM said it and everybody else is saying it! You fecking cant!
posted on 14/9/12
Where did I state you abused him?
posted on 14/9/12
TOOR
Yes Strett has always thought differently, I remember him well but it's not something to abuse him over,
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was that not aimed at me? if not then i apologise.
posted on 14/9/12
Do you even understand Heysel, TOOR?
The wall wasn't punched over, or felled by a flying chair seat; it was overcome by the momentum of a whole load of people pressing against it, and the people at the front were crushed.
It's VERY relevant to Hillsborough; the causes were entirely different, but the actions of the Liverpool fans very, very similar; pushing and pushing with no thought to the consequences, to those innocents at the front.
posted on 14/9/12
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posted on 14/9/12
I'm just gonna ignore these idiots from now on and I suggest everybody else do the same. If two reports doesn't do it for them nothing will. They just want to wind people up over people dying. They are disgusting, the lowest of the low and shouldn't be conversed with when they are anonymous, it would be great in person though, see what the slimey idiots say then when not hiding behind a computer. I advise you all to just ignore them and let the admin deal with them.
posted on 14/9/12
It wasnt aimed at you it was just advice for the people who would read your comment.
posted on 14/9/12
Anyone who takes offence at being called "an anonymous slimey idiot who's hiding behind a computer" should send their complaints to
Mr T. Onlyonereds
c/o ja606
1, Superhigh Way
Hypocritsville
Tinternets.
posted on 14/9/12
I've been living in Derby for 10 years now and am well used to the behaviour of some of the Forest (and Derby) fans. They are the most bovine people I have ever encountered. You won't be able to change their minds, because some of them are mindless.
Ignore them.
posted on 14/9/12
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posted on 14/9/12
Where?
posted on 14/9/12
comment by 666: Unfiltered (U11795) posted 59 minutes ago
No Didi, I wasn't there, I was watching at home on tv, being a Derby fan and all.. don't worry about making assumptions and believing what you want to though, it seems to be something of a running theme with your lot.
Are you suggesting then that those at the back of the crowd pushing were not laughing and joking? That they knew what was happening at the front? I'd rather hope you would also like to believe that they were ignorant of the consequences of their actions, but perhaps you know otherwise.
As I've said all along, I'd have expected better behaviour from your fans on that day
-----------------------
This was the eighties.
You really think any group of supporters in the UK would have queued in an orderly fasion when the kick off had already taken place? it's nonsensical to have expected that at a FA Cup semifinal
I don't think anyone is suggesting there wasn't pushing and shoving. Of course there was but how can the boisterous ones at the back have possibly known what was going on at the front? To them, it was pefectly normal behavior from exhuberant fans back in the 80s. They wern't fighting. they wern't clambouring over each other to get in. I can't see how they could have known everyone was being funneled into the same 2 pens
The authorities really should have been better prepared and I disagree when the Chief Constable when he says fans made their job harder. It looked like the fans who knew what was going on were doing everything they could to help. Pulling people into the top tier, fans running across the pitch carrying the wounded etc.
If the chief is referring tothe ones pushing and shoving trying to get in, then he's an idiot. That was normal behavior from football fans wanting to get in to see their team and it really should have been prepared for.
What saddens me is a simple 'We will not be kicking off until everyone is in the ground safely' may have aleviated the problem.. maybe... but one thing is for sure, and this is why I would never really lay the blame at Liverpool supporters. If I was struggling to get in, and I could hear the roar of the crowd knowing the match was being played, I cannot say for sure that I would not have been pushing too. None of them could have possibly known what was going on at the front.
Just my take
posted on 14/9/12
comment by strett ☆☆ (U1462) posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
I now believe that ANY clubs' fans there that day would have suffered similarly.
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Exactly
posted on 14/9/12
Exactly Macca.
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