comment by Samir (U2630)
posted 9 minutes ago
Maitland-Niles could be off to Brighton??
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Hope not

Arteta has to achieve Champions League qualification next season.
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No he does not. City, Liverpool, Chelsea and United are all in positions to spend more money than us and their squads are in better shape than ours.

We cannot expect to finish in the CL spots if they're starting from a position of significant advantage ahead of us.

What I want to see is for us to challenge for those spots and see clear progress.

If we get CL football, then great, that's an incredible achievement. He shouldn't be under pressure to get it though.

comment by Lexington 125.2 (U8879)
posted 3 minutes ago
It's tedious.

Makes you look pretty stupid too tbh.
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I am the worst poster here remember. Just hit the filter button and it won't bother you. LOLz

Sounds like J99 has been doing a lot of "double talking"

Pretty clear. Nothing ambiguous.

comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 16 minutes ago
Our GDP, Exports and Imports dwarf those nations though

We can't model a deal that's gone before because a situation like this hasn't come before
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But money doesn't only come from those two nations. Just look at what happened to asset prices in South East and London from 2012-2016. While the ECB had zero interest rates with positive inflation where do you think money from EU with all those bailouts went? I knew of companies in Spain with rampant tax avoidance hiding cash everywhere. There was huge black market growth. Car dealerships across Spain giving 20% discounts on cash only purchases during that period.
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Obfuscation again

What's any of that got to do with the fact we're totally different economies to those countries and will therefore not be able to get such a deal?

If AMN really chooses to go to West Ham/Brighton then it would be such a mistake

He's as likely to be a starter for an upper midtable club like as as he is to be on the bench for lower table teams like that, could see his career fly by

comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 16 minutes ago
Our GDP, Exports and Imports dwarf those nations though

We can't model a deal that's gone before because a situation like this hasn't come before
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But money doesn't only come from those two nations. Just look at what happened to asset prices in South East and London from 2012-2016. While the ECB had zero interest rates with positive inflation where do you think money from EU with all those bailouts went? I knew of companies in Spain with rampant tax avoidance hiding cash everywhere. There was huge black market growth. Car dealerships across Spain giving 20% discounts on cash only purchases during that period.
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Obfuscation again

What's any of that got to do with the fact we're totally different economies to those countries and will therefore not be able to get such a deal?
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What Obfuscation?

I was explaining why it would in the interest of the EU to give us a deal to keep our tax haven proclivities in check.

Lawro predicting us to draw Norwich was probably the only game since the restart he has predicted us to win.

comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 16 minutes ago
Our GDP, Exports and Imports dwarf those nations though

We can't model a deal that's gone before because a situation like this hasn't come before
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But money doesn't only come from those two nations. Just look at what happened to asset prices in South East and London from 2012-2016. While the ECB had zero interest rates with positive inflation where do you think money from EU with all those bailouts went? I knew of companies in Spain with rampant tax avoidance hiding cash everywhere. There was huge black market growth. Car dealerships across Spain giving 20% discounts on cash only purchases during that period.
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Obfuscation again

What's any of that got to do with the fact we're totally different economies to those countries and will therefore not be able to get such a deal?
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What Obfuscation?

I was explaining why it would in the interest of the EU to give us a deal to keep our tax haven proclivities in check.
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Perhaps because you're replying to a comment that doesn't talk about tax haven?

Of course it's in everyone's best interest for a deal but it's more in ours than theirs and we have no intention of a proper deal

Norway+ or whatever won't work

comment by Arsenal_49 (U10665)
posted 5 minutes ago
Lawro predicting us to drawNorwich was probably the only game since the restart he has predicted us to win.
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Yeah he doesn't like us, blaming Saturdays result on City thinking of CL

comment by Samir (U2630)
posted 11 minutes ago
Arteta has to achieve Champions League qualification next season.
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No he does not. City, Liverpool, Chelsea and United are all in positions to spend more money than us and their squads are in better shape than ours.

We cannot expect to finish in the CL spots if they're starting from a position of significant advantage ahead of us.

What I want to see is for us to challenge for those spots and see clear progress.

If we get CL football, then great, that's an incredible achievement. He shouldn't be under pressure to get it though.
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Then whats the point of Arteta? The aim I assume is to challenge for the title? We cannot do that while we are out of the Champions League. It stops us in our financing and we cannot attract the best players who can enable us to challenge for trophies.

I've shown recently that we spend money like CL team and we also pay wages like a CL team. So why can't I expect Arteta to improve us to CL level by end of next season?

Depends what investment he gets

If we outspend everyone bar the oligarch clubs then they should expect top 4

But to spend less with a manager in his first full season and expect 4th is a bit strong tbh... Though you know if we're in a position where we just need to beat one of Palace or Brighton at home and he fluffs it it will look different

I've already explained why to you in my comment.

We are starting from a position of significant disadvantage compared to the other clubs.

We also do not know how much money he will get this Summer but based on reports, it will not be a lot. So the recruitment has to be on point and that is not an easy thing to get done, as we have seen.

He should absolutely be looking to get us back into the Champions League spots, but he cannot be expected to yet.

comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 16 minutes ago
Our GDP, Exports and Imports dwarf those nations though

We can't model a deal that's gone before because a situation like this hasn't come before
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But money doesn't only come from those two nations. Just look at what happened to asset prices in South East and London from 2012-2016. While the ECB had zero interest rates with positive inflation where do you think money from EU with all those bailouts went? I knew of companies in Spain with rampant tax avoidance hiding cash everywhere. There was huge black market growth. Car dealerships across Spain giving 20% discounts on cash only purchases during that period.
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Obfuscation again

What's any of that got to do with the fact we're totally different economies to those countries and will therefore not be able to get such a deal?
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What Obfuscation?

I was explaining why it would in the interest of the EU to give us a deal to keep our tax haven proclivities in check.
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Perhaps because you're replying to a comment that doesn't talk about tax haven?

Of course it's in everyone's best interest for a deal but it's more in ours than theirs and we have no intention of a proper deal

Norway+ or whatever won't work
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But your post was replying to my comment where we were discussing that you thought the EU wouldn't give us a deal because we are going to behave like a tax haven? Anyway doesn't matter.

I don't understand why you think its more in our interest to have a deal than the EU. The fact is that we have a trade deficit with the EU. Its not a zero sum game. We both gain from a deal. At the moment the EU needs the deal as much if not more. Its obvious why. There are huge trading imbalances within the EU at the moment which have been again exposed by covid. Why do you think they needed the covid bonds to transfer money from the northern countries to the South. Why do you think there is the frugal group made up of those northern countries?

comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 4 minutes ago
Depends what investment he gets

If we outspend everyone bar the oligarch clubs then they should expect top 4

But to spend less with a manager in his first full season and expect 4th is a bit strong tbh... Though you know if we're in a position where we just need to beat one of Palace or Brighton at home and he fluffs it it will look different
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https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/premier-league/fuenfjahresvergleich/wettbewerb/GB1

This is our spending in the last 5 years. We do spend more than everyone apart from the Oligarch clubs.

comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 16 minutes ago
Our GDP, Exports and Imports dwarf those nations though

We can't model a deal that's gone before because a situation like this hasn't come before
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But money doesn't only come from those two nations. Just look at what happened to asset prices in South East and London from 2012-2016. While the ECB had zero interest rates with positive inflation where do you think money from EU with all those bailouts went? I knew of companies in Spain with rampant tax avoidance hiding cash everywhere. There was huge black market growth. Car dealerships across Spain giving 20% discounts on cash only purchases during that period.
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Obfuscation again

What's any of that got to do with the fact we're totally different economies to those countries and will therefore not be able to get such a deal?
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What Obfuscation?

I was explaining why it would in the interest of the EU to give us a deal to keep our tax haven proclivities in check.
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Perhaps because you're replying to a comment that doesn't talk about tax haven?

Of course it's in everyone's best interest for a deal but it's more in ours than theirs and we have no intention of a proper deal

Norway+ or whatever won't work
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But your post was replying to my comment where we were discussing that you thought the EU wouldn't give us a deal because we are going to behave like a tax haven? Anyway doesn't matter.

I don't understand why you think its more in our interest to have a deal than the EU. The fact is that we have a trade deficit with the EU. Its not a zero sum game. We both gain from a deal. At the moment the EU needs the deal as much if not more. Its obvious why. There are huge trading imbalances within the EU at the moment which have been again exposed by covid. Why do you think they needed the covid bonds to transfer money from the northern countries to the South. Why do you think there is the frugal group made up of those northern countries?
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1. No it's not that they won't give us a deal, it's that the deal won't be preferential to us compared to what we already have. Particularly if we position ourselves as western Singapore

2. Let's park this before Pete wakes up and stirs the 💩

comment by Samir (U2630)
posted 6 minutes ago
I've already explained why to you in my comment.

We are starting from a position of significant disadvantage compared to the other clubs.

We also do not know how much money he will get this Summer but based on reports, it will not be a lot. So the recruitment has to be on point and that is not an easy thing to get done, as we have seen.

He should absolutely be looking to get us back into the Champions League spots, but he cannot be expected to yet.
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What would you call progress then?

comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 16 minutes ago
Our GDP, Exports and Imports dwarf those nations though

We can't model a deal that's gone before because a situation like this hasn't come before
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But money doesn't only come from those two nations. Just look at what happened to asset prices in South East and London from 2012-2016. While the ECB had zero interest rates with positive inflation where do you think money from EU with all those bailouts went? I knew of companies in Spain with rampant tax avoidance hiding cash everywhere. There was huge black market growth. Car dealerships across Spain giving 20% discounts on cash only purchases during that period.
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Obfuscation again

What's any of that got to do with the fact we're totally different economies to those countries and will therefore not be able to get such a deal?
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What Obfuscation?

I was explaining why it would in the interest of the EU to give us a deal to keep our tax haven proclivities in check.
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Perhaps because you're replying to a comment that doesn't talk about tax haven?

Of course it's in everyone's best interest for a deal but it's more in ours than theirs and we have no intention of a proper deal

Norway+ or whatever won't work
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But your post was replying to my comment where we were discussing that you thought the EU wouldn't give us a deal because we are going to behave like a tax haven? Anyway doesn't matter.

I don't understand why you think its more in our interest to have a deal than the EU. The fact is that we have a trade deficit with the EU. Its not a zero sum game. We both gain from a deal. At the moment the EU needs the deal as much if not more. Its obvious why. There are huge trading imbalances within the EU at the moment which have been again exposed by covid. Why do you think they needed the covid bonds to transfer money from the northern countries to the South. Why do you think there is the frugal group made up of those northern countries?
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1. No it's not that they won't give us a deal, it's that the deal won't be preferential to us compared to what we already have. Particularly if we position ourselves as western Singapore

2. Let's park this before Pete wakes up and stirs the 💩
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Sure. But I don't expect any preferential treatment. Just something fair to both parties. The problem is of course, like I first suggested its harder sell for conservatives to leave voters than it is internally for EU countries. The block won't come from them. It will be those leave voting constituencies in the north. Its why Starmer didn't want a extension to the negotiation either.

comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 4 minutes ago
Depends what investment he gets

If we outspend everyone bar the oligarch clubs then they should expect top 4

But to spend less with a manager in his first full season and expect 4th is a bit strong tbh... Though you know if we're in a position where we just need to beat one of Palace or Brighton at home and he fluffs it it will look different
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https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/premier-league/fuenfjahresvergleich/wettbewerb/GB1

This is our spending in the last 5 years. We do spend more than everyone apart from the Oligarch clubs.
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You have to view it on what Arteta is given to work with and not the money wasted on Sanchez, Ozil etc

The net spend is poor IMO because we traditionally failed to get full value on sales rather than throwing money about

comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by Lexington 125.2 (U8879)
posted 3 minutes ago
It's tedious.

Makes you look pretty stupid too tbh.
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I am the worst poster here remember. Just hit the filter button and it won't bother you. LOLz
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And and miss out on all the hilarity?

Might as well delete you account in that case.

ADMIN!

Why do people always think we are far behind Chelsea and Man U for? both are not all that. Just because they are 9-10 points ahead of us this season it doesn't mean they are miles ahead of us. We will be up there next season challenging both for a top 4 spot and we should be aiming to finish above both of them or at least one of them.

comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Samir (U2630)
posted 6 minutes ago
I've already explained why to you in my comment.

We are starting from a position of significant disadvantage compared to the other clubs.

We also do not know how much money he will get this Summer but based on reports, it will not be a lot. So the recruitment has to be on point and that is not an easy thing to get done, as we have seen.

He should absolutely be looking to get us back into the Champions League spots, but he cannot be expected to yet.
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What would you call progress then?
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J99, do you actually read my posts? I've said to you he needs to challenge for the CL spots. We failed to do that this season when most of our rivals were shocking. This cannot happen again.

Assuming we get Europa League football, we need to progress far in that competition too. It's inexcusable to get knocked out in the RO16 by Olympiakos when we were in control of the tie. Especially as we'd made the semi-finals and the final in our previous 2 years in the competition.

And another cup run would be nice.

Look, I want us to get CL football. Badly. But you're essentially saying he should be expected to overachieve - this is not reasonable. Our expectations should be realistic.

comment by Arsenal_49 (U10665)
posted 1 minute ago
Why do people always think we are far behind Chelsea and Man U for? both are not all that. Just because they are 9-10 points ahead of us this season it doesn't mean they are miles ahead of us. We will be up there next season challenging both for a top 4 spot and we should be aiming to finish above both of them or at least one of them.
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Financially, both of them are miles ahead of us right now and that can be reflected in Chelsea's spending so far when the season hasn't even ended. They will undoubtedly spend more.

United will also be looking to spend big.

comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Samir (U2630)
posted 11 minutes ago
Arteta has to achieve Champions League qualification next season.
=====

No he does not. City, Liverpool, Chelsea and United are all in positions to spend more money than us and their squads are in better shape than ours.

We cannot expect to finish in the CL spots if they're starting from a position of significant advantage ahead of us.

What I want to see is for us to challenge for those spots and see clear progress.

If we get CL football, then great, that's an incredible achievement. He shouldn't be under pressure to get it though.
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Then whats the point of Arteta? The aim I assume is to challenge for the title? We cannot do that while we are out of the Champions League. It stops us in our financing and we cannot attract the best players who can enable us to challenge for trophies.

I've shown recently that we spend money like CL team and we also pay wages like a CL team. So why can't I expect Arteta to improve us to CL level by end of next season?
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Oh FFS man, 'I've shown recently that we spend money like CL team and we also pay wages like a CL team.'

Have you paid literally no attention to comments by the management, board and owners this season?