i have heard we still teach kids to lump it forward to the big man up top.

when we start to appreciate gifted players we may move forward, but i wont hold my breath, we have Roy as manager ffs.

get a Laudrup or someone similar like that we may improve, but will take time sadly.

Think it all comes down to grass roots level. Kids are yelled at to clear the lines and hoof the damn thing out of the park. It's not the English way to have composer on the ball and to look up and play the ball.

I was talking with my mate about this yesterday.

The biggest problem is this:

At 8 years old in Brazil the kids are playing in the street, they grow they play indoor football, rarely if ever do you see them playing football on a full size grass pitch until they're 18 plus.

At 8 years old in England you put all these little kids on a full size pitch, with some tiny little dude in a huge net and just give the ball to the person who is developing hormonally much quicker than the other kids who will score 50 goals a season just cause he's bigger, stronger and faster than everybody else.

It really is that simple. Our ideology on how to play football is just plain horrible.

The system that denied clubs to bring in young players from out of the region did suffer English football a blow, and we can see the impact from that now.

Good thing the rule is no longer on, so in the future it will be better, also given that talent development have been updated in many of the clubs.
City, Chelsea are even with ManUtd on this, or close.

Matter of time really, but I would also question the English genetics, I believe you will find more active people in the southern part of Europe, more fit to do this kind of activity. See at Rooney f.example, he's not build for football, rather pub to pub the way he's body is.

Wouldn't see that in Spain, Germany, Portugal, France.
Carrol vs Llorente
Rooney vs Benzema
etc

It's our philosophy. Knock it up to the big man, play the guys who run around like headless chickens at the expense of technically gifted players.

Until we sort out grass roots football, teach people the basics and focus on skill and ability, we will continue to fail

It's our philosophy. Knock it up to the big man, play the guys who run around like headless chickens at the expense of technically gifted players.

Until we sort out grass roots football, teach people the basics and focus on skill and ability, we will continue to fail

good point fergie.

anyone think this no ball game cr-ap has had an effect, when i was younger we used to play a lot of street football, nowdays everyone moans about ball games.

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I mean even when you play football with your mates, what kind of mentality do you have when you are on the ball? Is it a case of lets try and run past him as fast as i could or just play it down the line and just chase after it? Is it in our mentality to play short passes and keep the ball? I really feel its a mentality thing

As long as yobs continue to kick their way through Sunday league matches then the rot will continue.

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It's our philosophy. Knock it up to the big man, play the guys who run around like headless chickens at the expense of technically gifted players.

Until we sort out grass roots football, teach people the basics and focus on skill and ability, we will continue to fail
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I'm a suing you for plagiarising me

The problem in England is that it is screwed at every level. The kids still play on full size pitches with size 5 balls and are not taught technique but instead just to hoof the ball and score.

While at the professional level there are simply far too many foreign players meaning our youth players do not get the chance to play and develop. These are the percentages of foreign players in the top 3 leagues in Europe

PL - 65%
Bundesliga - 22%
La Liga - 37%

Also there is far too much money pumped into the PL meaning many of the English talent earn far too much even before they've kicked a ball for the first team.

Blame the countries councils for putting up signs everywhere that say "no ball games allowed"
This is where young kids need to play to develop instinctive skills, not on a big organised grass pitch where you always get told what to do.

You can also blame the nerd that invented facebook. Ok, its not just fbook but on the whole kids are much harder to motivate nowadays due to all these online entertainment sources, outdoor sports and activities are firmly in the backseat.

Ppl can complain all they want that grassroots football needs more backing etc, but that is so far from the real problem its laughable.. Its actually what causes the problem. Crap coaches teaching kids the wrong things at the wrong age.

Well, thats my opinion anyway

the u21s have been playing quality, possession based football

there has been a big shift in approach at that level at least

Blame the countries councils for putting up signs everywhere that say "no ball games allowed"
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Did that stop you ?

We'd use those signs as targets

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Anyone who has played Sunday league will know that many of the teams want to fight as well as play football.

If those games were properly governed then there would be vast improvements

While at the professional level there are simply far too many foreign players meaning our youth players do not get the chance to play and develop. These are the percentages of foreign players in the top 3 leagues in Europe
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I'm sorry, that doesn't wash with me. When there were no foreigners, we were still rubbish. It's just lazy to blame others for our poor football.

Ask yourself this question, what club outside England is interested in signing an English player?

Tells you all you need to know about our so called talent

It's a media myth created so failed pundits can make headlines......so scholes wasn't technically one of the best??? Do me a favour, I watch united week in week out and the worse at ball control aren't the British players! Anyway, if you want to look for a reason then it's a society problem, kids don't play in the streets anymore with a stone or can.....that's the real problem

Overly competitive grass roots football played on over sized pitches. If your big and fast at a young age, then you appear to be a good player, but often the reality is that technically these big fast kids aren't technically proficient. Too much emphasis on winning at grass roots level, rather then player development.

Also, kids more concerned with playing FIFA etc. rather than actually playing football with their mates.

Not enough youth coaches.
Unenlightened coaching - emphasis on winning over developing technique (i.e. preference for big and strong kids).
Insufficient facilities.
Games played on pitches that are too big with too many players, rather than little 4-a-side pitches.
Engrained footballing culture, from parents to idiot BBC ex-pros.
...Many of these are interlinked.

you only need 8-10 quality players to have a top national side

out of 50 million people

saying foreigners are holding back some fictional English Messi is absolute nonsense.

Maybe some mediocre player who could be average is getting held back but class will get noticed and given the chance.

I do agree street football would improve technique and creativity. When I was young, we used to play alot of 'knockout wembly'. Each man for himself in a group of 4/5 players and if there was more players, we used to play teams of 2's or 3's.

Playing this game I feel made us try and be skillful because we had to used skill to take players on and also our combination play when playing in team as we used to play 1-2's and stuff.

I reckon this kind of training will help our stars of today.

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Ye exactly anyone with half a bit of skill playing Sunday league can forget about their legs functioning for a few weeks. Skill is discouraged not encouraged. You wont find that anywhere else in the world.